Recap #10: Golden State Warriors 72, Milwaukee Bucks 79 - 34, 16, 10, 11
by Fantasy Junkie on Nov 13, 2010 9:24 PM PST
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Tonight, the Warriors just didn't have their legs early on and had to fight for everything. They were down 15 to start the 4th and in a game this low scoring and with such poor shooting, that felt like a 30 point lead. But somehow, the Warriors scrapped back with Jeff Adrien, Monta Ellis, and Reggie Williams in the 4th. They cut it all the way down to 3 only to not secure a defensive rebound. The Bucks grabbed the rebound and scored to push the lead to 5. And that was all she wrote.
You might be thinking that those 4 numbers in the title are the winning lotto numbers for tonight, but no, they aren't. I promise they have some meaning.
34
The percent that the Warriors shot the ball from the field. Milwaukee shot 33.7%. Had the Warriors managed to shoot a decent percentage, they probably win this game. Credit the Milwaukee defense though. They challenge shots. They would rather hack you on the way to the hoop than give up an easy bucket. They get in good position to take charges - the Warriors had 6 pass and crash offensive fouls. They fight for everything, rebounds, buckets, gatorade, steals, possessions, etc. Nothing comes easy against the Bucks. See below:
Stephen Curry: 3-14 from the field, 0-3 from 3
Dorell Wright: 2-14 from the field, 1-5 from 3
Andris Biedrins: 0-4 from the field (did grab a team high 9 boards though)
Reggie Williams: 4-11 from the field
Total: 9-43, 20.9%
When more than half of your shots go down 20.9% of the time, you most likely aren't going to get a W.
Brandon Jennings with the rebound over Dan Gadzuric
16
The number of rebounds the Bucks out-rebounded the Warriors by. The Bucks won the battle of the boards 58-42. Pretty significant difference. And you know why? One of the Warriors best rebounders was bitten by a damn New York vampire and now his elbow is infected.
Wilson Chandler, "BRUSH YOUR TEETH!"
I hope I hear that chant next Friday when the Knicks come to town. Every time Chandler touches the ball, the crowd should chant "BRUSH" "YOUR" "TEETH"! What kind of guy has his teeth puncture another guy and the other guy gets infected. What kind of modern medicine do we have going here? Tommy Abdenour better start doing his job. How many wins is this vampire bite going to cost the Warriors? I'm counting tonight as 1.
Okay, now that I have that out, the Bucks really bang the boards. Everybody is trying to get a rebound. Just check out the boxscore, it's ridiculous:
Drew Gooden (31 min) 10 rebounds
Luc Richard Mbah a Moute (39 min) 12 rebounds
Andrew Bogut (39 min) 17 rebounds
Brandon Jennings (42 min) 11 rebounds
50 rebounds from 4 of the starting 5. They out-rebounded the entire Warriors team by 8 rebounds.
10
The number of second chance points the Bucks had in the 4th quarter. If the Warriors somehow prevent just a few of those from happening, it may be a completely different outcome. Another reason the Wilson Chandler's tooth hurts this team. The Warriors had tired legs and not enough big men to grab rebounds when it really counted.
11
The number of free throws the Bucks out-shot the Warriors by. The Bucks shot 21 free throws and made 17 versus the Warriors paltry 10 free throws taken and only 6 made. The Warriors have been significantly out-free throwed many times this year. Not a good trend especially in a game like this where field goals are hard to come by. If they could figure out how to get to the line, they can take shots without a Bucks defender's hand in their face.
Monday night the Warriors come home to face the Pistons. A 2-3 road trip is what I expected but they were so close to actually being 4-1. Incredible really and to me, it's a positive sign. I'm still crossing my fingers that this team has enough to keep the fans interested past January.
On Monday, there will still be no David Lee, but hopefully they don't need him against that woeful team.
Honorable mention goes to Jeff Adrien for his great work down low. He's got some real beef and he threw his weight around tonight. His 19 minutes were crucial to the Warriors' comeback. He played tough D down low on Gooden who tried to muscle him around but just couldn't do it. Adrien managed to grab 8 boards, block 2 shots and put in a nice little hook shot to bring the Warriors within 3 with 1:31 to go.
But the Warrior Wonder goes to Monta Ellis. Without him tonight, the Warriors don't score more than 60 and this game is a blowout. His scoring kept the Warriors around just enough to make that late run. He was the only guy who could make a shot. Adrien doesn't get a chance to make an impact in the 4th if Monta doesn't have the game he does. So, Monta gets the Warrior Wonder for his 24 points on 9-16 shooting, 5 boards and 8 assists. The 7 turnovers hurt a lot, but in a game where nobody else on the team can score, I'll let him try to force things a bit more than usual.
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It's incredibly frustrating to have to watch Rad-man
Jeff Adrien – 8 boards, 6 points, 2 blocks, +10 in 19 minutes. Why isn’t this guy getting more run? I realize that they are thin up front right now, and that the rotation will be different with Lee, Udoh, Amundson, but had we started Beans and Adrien tonight, I think we wouldn’t have been so brutally out rebounded. Rad-man had 3 rebounds in 26 minutes and 5 fouls, with countless defensive missed assignments, and several bone-head plays on offense. Smart needs to figure this out immediately.
++++++Keith Smart is facing his first toughest decision
to cut or trade 2-3 players over the next 2 weeks!
why amundson?
You know I spit technique to the freshest freak
Gimme a call you will see results in just a week
With the soul of a LOST HAWK
Is there a heaven for a Rap Cat, let's talk
It's his fault he got injured!
I believe that ghosts are like dogs. They just do things arbitrarily.
by Reverend_Randy on Nov 14, 2010 2:51 PM PST up reply actions
why?
Baseball is a chamber orchestra. Football is a marching band. Basketball is a modern quintet. jazz, rock, hiphop, pop/ all about the beat./ still my revolution not/ til you dance through it.
Only thing I can think of
Is being green and probably not knowing playbook/defensive rotations as well as Vlad Rad. Smart is kind of guy who would not play him because of that. I’m confident he’ll displace him VERY soon. Performances like this definitely help his cause.
Can Adrien by our Millsap (circa 2008). He’s proving to be a monster on the glass. Impressive since he’s more or less the same size as maggette
Millsap? no
TRB- A- S— B— T— PF PTS
10.8 2.4 1.5 1.2 3.2 4.6 17.6 – 5 pick
14.4 2.4 0.0 2.4 1.2 4.8 12.0 – Undrafted
I’m being ridiculous here, and comparing his very limited numbers per36 to a HOF 5-pick’s full rookie numbers, when he started 60 games. Another 6’6/ 250ish PF, by the way…..
If you guessed Charles Barkley, you’re right. He’s very much in the style of a young Barkley, though I wouldn’t bet on him having the same ability.
Baseball is a chamber orchestra. Football is a marching band. Basketball is a modern quintet. jazz, rock, hiphop, pop/ all about the beat./ still my revolution not/ til you dance through it.
I agree
Radmanovic cannot finish and he is a huge liability on defense. On top of that, he hasn’t been making his 3 very well. So he brings nothing to the table. It’s players like this in the NBA that don’t deserve 6mil/year. He needs to be cob-webbed to the bench.
just look at the highlights on NBA.com
He is in most of the plays where things go wrong for Golden State.
When Louis and Udoh get back whats our big rotation ?
I assume BW will be gone or glued to the bench and same goes for Vlad
Who is inactive Gaz or Adrien?
" Only build on positives , don't stack the negatives...Instead of criticizing , what was a positive?" - Donavin Darius
"There is nothing like a wise phrase or quote to help convince others that your decision makes sense." - Anon
"If you're ever in a fair fight, then your tactics suck." ಠ_ಠ
I’d pray for gads but it’ll be adrien
by GrayDilla on Nov 13, 2010 11:12 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Why would Brandan be glued to bench? He had one bad game...
by GovernorStephCurry on Nov 14, 2010 12:54 PM PST up reply actions
If you’ll notice, a lot of people posting about Brandan and Dre are concerned about “softness”, and ignore skills. In other words, they approach basketball in general they way they would approach building an o-line in football (except ignoring skill doesn’t work there, either.). There is a middle ground between brute force and pure finesse, but that gets excluded from the argument.
Baseball is a chamber orchestra. Football is a marching band. Basketball is a modern quintet. jazz, rock, hiphop, pop/ all about the beat./ still my revolution not/ til you dance through it.
So they're not actually concerned with their play but the aesthetics!
by GovernorStephCurry on Nov 14, 2010 1:52 PM PST up reply actions
very nice!
You have a very good point. A good example is the argument that “Vladi spreads the floor”, and this is true. But that – while visually pleasing because it looks like good basketball – also means that Vladi is never in a good position for offensive rebounding. ORs don’t look as pretty, but that have a much more tangible effect on the game.
Baseball is a chamber orchestra. Football is a marching band. Basketball is a modern quintet. jazz, rock, hiphop, pop/ all about the beat./ still my revolution not/ til you dance through it.
er, they have
Baseball is a chamber orchestra. Football is a marching band. Basketball is a modern quintet. jazz, rock, hiphop, pop/ all about the beat./ still my revolution not/ til you dance through it.
Well 2 now
And Smart doesn’t like playing him. Yiu’d think without Lee he’d be in a lot more and honestly I’d rather have him than Vlad but he hasn’t dome much to warrant time other than he’s better than Vlad
" Only build on positives , don't stack the negatives...Instead of criticizing , what was a positive?" - Donavin Darius
"There is nothing like a wise phrase or quote to help convince others that your decision makes sense." - Anon
"If you're ever in a fair fight, then your tactics suck." ಠ_ಠ
He can block some shots and score decently
But he doesn’t rebound well, doesn’t seem to have lots of energy or alertness, and isn’t taking advantage of his time on the floor the best he could
" Only build on positives , don't stack the negatives...Instead of criticizing , what was a positive?" - Donavin Darius
"There is nothing like a wise phrase or quote to help convince others that your decision makes sense." - Anon
"If you're ever in a fair fight, then your tactics suck." ಠ_ಠ
We lost
because of poor shooting and rebounding. Not Vlad. He did better than half the team (Including Curry & the Wrights)
GSOM- Where Education From Observation Occurs
by The Dedication on Nov 13, 2010 10:02 PM PST reply actions
Offensively yes..
Defensively no
by GrayDilla on Nov 13, 2010 11:13 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Yes, Vlad was late a quite a few rotations. I don’t care much for his pair of 3s when he let the Bucks get so many easy points.
by Prince.Charming on Nov 14, 2010 7:58 AM PST up reply actions
Most of the game I was shaking my head at how stupid a player Vad Rad is
the guy is brain dead.
The monta dump off pass for a probable dunk that Vlad Rad never looks for,
HE HAS POOR HANDS, he is way outta sync and looks like a High Schooler out there.
VLAD RAD SUX AND NEEDS TO BE CUT OR TRADED! Rodney Carney should have played more.
Brandon Wright – all the skills to man-up, but plays like a frosh – I am afraid Wright will never develop……………..TRADE WRIGHT TOO, OR CUT HIM!
You don’t cut expiring contracts. They need to use him as trade bait, but they don’t need to play him. HE SUCKS.
by BayLife5518 on Nov 14, 2010 10:59 AM PST up reply actions
actually he shot worse and had fewer rebounds than any other big.
except for Dre’s uncharacteristic shooting disaster.
Baseball is a chamber orchestra. Football is a marching band. Basketball is a modern quintet. jazz, rock, hiphop, pop/ all about the beat./ still my revolution not/ til you dance through it.
Wait till Udoh comes back...You guys will actually have a competent defender.
Hopefully he can supplant Biedriens…because for all of his rebounds Andris is still an idiot and terrible offensive player.
Lol I like it you kinda combined biedrins + adrien
by GrayDilla on Nov 13, 2010 11:14 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
I agree, Adris is disappointing on the offensive side
He needs to man-up and two hand dunk much more often, even if he takes a charge here and there. He is wimpy and needs to be more like Jeff Adrian (a beast undeniably)
Ha
you clearly know nothing about this team.
I believe that ghosts are like dogs. They just do things arbitrarily.
by Reverend_Randy on Nov 14, 2010 2:54 PM PST up reply actions
GSW TROUBLES ARE - tired legs and injured impact players
Not to mention cold arse shooting – let’s face it, if GSW makes 33% more of their shots, they win last night’s game and probably the Chicago game – Rose is good, but can be defensively contained. The key is to FORCE ROSE TO BEAT YA – He can’t by himself, guaranteed.
Lee is our only real offensive big.
BWright has all the tools, but is too soft. Even the 08-09 Andris doesn’t have much offensive skills. With Lee out, teams can now all focus on Curry and Ellis, and with our weak bench, we get this.
I guess we’ll know more when Amundson and Ekpe come back.
The San Francisco 49ers, inventing new ways to lose every week!
I[m not ready to cut BWright
Because he’s still so green (he has maybe 1200 nba minutes, probably less). But what he’s doing is showing why he doesn’t play.
You mean a 15 minute sample where he wasn't good against Chicago like the entire team? Yeah, we shouldn't give him a shot but forget Dorell's last 2 games...
by GovernorStephCurry on Nov 14, 2010 12:55 PM PST up reply actions
Has he really had any good games this year?
Only Toronto who are a borderline DLeague team defensively
KEEP ADRIEN
He seems like a very valuable asset in backing up Andris + Lee…i see him supplanting Andris in the near future and becoming our future starting center..as for Vlad and B. Wright..package em somewhere..their a lousy dissapointment.
i think he is a litte taller than that... i know his wingspan is 7 ft 2
by PIRATEWARRIOR on Nov 14, 2010 11:57 AM PST up reply actions
The next Ben Wallace.
he does have a little of BenWallace game in him.
Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Nov 14, 2010 8:22 PM PST up reply actions
Whoa there.
Love Adrien as a back up role player but doubt that he will ever be a stater unless we are as injured as last year. He is a high energy rebounding but has a lot of limitations to his game unless he suddendly starts developing skills better than his curve in college.
Would love to see it happen though but I would guess that Udoh has more “well rounded” potential.
by Only In Fairfax on Nov 14, 2010 12:05 PM PST up reply actions
our future starting center
I certainly hope not. He’s a PF in every way but height, and he’s not a center. and while groupthink has it that Brandan (or even Andris) are “just like Vlad”, the reality is far different.
I hate to sound like a broken record, but Adrien should back Lee, and Gadz/bWright should back Dre – Gadz if you need more boards at the moment, Brandan if you need more points. No other player on the current active roster should play at 4 or 5. If you have both Gadz and bWright on the floor, make sure Steph or Lin is running point, and keep Bell off the floor at those times. At guard – if you must play Bell at all, play him with Ellis or Lin, not Curry. Match Reggie with Steph or Lin wherever possible. Match Lin with Steph when you can. Use dWright sparingly for matchups at 2, and back him at 3 with Reggie when you do – use Carney as the rotation 3 backup only. Do not play Vlad at all.
This isn’t rocket science, it’s all common sense
Baseball is a chamber orchestra. Football is a marching band. Basketball is a modern quintet. jazz, rock, hiphop, pop/ all about the beat./ still my revolution not/ til you dance through it.
Three questions:
1. Do we miss Nellie now.
2. Why does Monta refuse to pass Reggie the ball( rather TO-ball than pass ) 8 TO’s last night.
3. What type of defense are we playing, it appears we have Reggie running all over the court trying to help everyone else.
None of the above
I miss Lee, Amundson, and heck, even Udoh.
The San Francisco 49ers, inventing new ways to lose every week!
by Badly Browned on Nov 14, 2010 11:03 AM PST up reply actions
. Do we miss Nellie now
yeah ,his interviews are a lot more entertaining than Smart’s.
Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Nov 14, 2010 11:19 AM PST up reply actions
I dont think that anyone -1 is missing Nellie now.
But a lot may be missing hot shooting games from this team. What the heck is going on with that. It has become more like 50% rather than the off night. Any the defense does make up for it.
by Only In Fairfax on Nov 14, 2010 11:28 AM PST up reply actions
1. Hell no, I like defense
2. What? Monta at times has been too unselfish , he needed to force it if we had a chance to win
3. We play regular boring defense….
" Only build on positives , don't stack the negatives...Instead of criticizing , what was a positive?" - Donavin Darius
"There is nothing like a wise phrase or quote to help convince others that your decision makes sense." - Anon
"If you're ever in a fair fight, then your tactics suck." ಠ_ಠ
Yes, defense.
So happy that this team is building a base with defense!
by Only In Fairfax on Nov 14, 2010 11:59 AM PST up reply actions
3. We play regular boring defense….
No, it’s still the same kind of defense they’ve been playing. Forcing turnovers, playing passing lanes is not “regular, boring defense.” It’s just working better because they’re trying harder.
I believe that ghosts are like dogs. They just do things arbitrarily.
by Reverend_Randy on Nov 14, 2010 2:56 PM PST up reply actions
Right....
Were playing our same old regular defense……
" Only build on positives , don't stack the negatives...Instead of criticizing , what was a positive?" - Donavin Darius
"There is nothing like a wise phrase or quote to help convince others that your decision makes sense." - Anon
"If you're ever in a fair fight, then your tactics suck." ಠ_ಠ
That’s not what you said, dude. Regular, boring defense is what other teams play. The Spurs play regular boring defense. The Warriors play high-risk, high-reward, exciting defense.
I believe that ghosts are like dogs. They just do things arbitrarily.
by Reverend_Randy on Nov 14, 2010 4:36 PM PST up reply actions
I find most defense boring
As a coach once said, the most exciting defense is the one not played.
" Only build on positives , don't stack the negatives...Instead of criticizing , what was a positive?" - Donavin Darius
"There is nothing like a wise phrase or quote to help convince others that your decision makes sense." - Anon
"If you're ever in a fair fight, then your tactics suck." ಠ_ಠ
No...
Just means the coach doesn’t believe in exciting basketball. Think Spurs basketball.
" Only build on positives , don't stack the negatives...Instead of criticizing , what was a positive?" - Donavin Darius
"There is nothing like a wise phrase or quote to help convince others that your decision makes sense." - Anon
"If you're ever in a fair fight, then your tactics suck." ಠ_ಠ
Which coach was this and why should I respect him?
It’s still dishonest to call the style of defense the Warriors play “regular.”
I believe that ghosts are like dogs. They just do things arbitrarily.
by Reverend_Randy on Nov 14, 2010 9:26 PM PST up reply actions
The Warriors play high-risk, high-reward, exciting defense.
the defense of a team full of guys who can’t defend so must gamble defense, and yeah it’s boring compared to real defense.Didn’t you get anything at all out of the milw. game?
Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Nov 14, 2010 8:26 PM PST up reply actions
Nelson’s old-school coaching style might not by applicable to today’s wimpy, unprofessional players, but there’s no doubt he would have been more aggressive with match-ups etc. and probably would have gotten more offense out of that team last night. Of course, we all know how often his scheming backfired, and the long term impact it had on said wusses…
Amnesty for all immigrants! Boycott Arizona! RIP GURU
by The Bimbo Coles Experience on Nov 14, 2010 12:04 PM PST up reply actions
Plus
I loved that Adrien had the chance to show what he can do and how he is needed in the rotation. Especially with Admundson and Udoh out. However they need to to show some that same production or they wil have some serious competition for minutes. That guy looked hungry! A keeper I hope.
by Only In Fairfax on Nov 14, 2010 11:39 AM PST reply actions
I have this game recorded
Don’t think I’ll ever end up watching it
This is Kristin Kreuk, now zip it. - GTTM
Eh, it was fun watching Adrien own the glass. Watching him move to box out his man was pretty fun to watch.
by Prince.Charming on Nov 14, 2010 7:05 PM PST up reply actions
I haven’t watched too much of the games, but from the statistics and all the comments, I wish Smart would give him some minutes and we could all find out if he is for real.
He gave Gadz the start after showing life the game before
Not saying he’ll go right out and start Adrien, but hopefully gives him more chances to the play after his showing against the Bucks.
The San Francisco 49ers, inventing new ways to lose every week!
by Badly Browned on Nov 14, 2010 8:58 PM PST up reply actions
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