RECAP #11: Golden State Warriors 101, Detroit Pistons 97 - Joe Lacob and Peter Guber Bring a New Hope + Coach Smart and the Warriors Prove that No Lead is Safe... In a Bad Way
by olympicmike on Nov 16, 2010 11:41 AM PST
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Joe Lacob receives a standing ovation,
and promises to fill the rafters at the Oracle Arena with Championship banners
Building the Lead
The first quarter was the Monta show. He put the team on his back offensively, hitting shot after shot from mid-range. As the defense started to clamp down with the Pistons playing physically by grabbing as the Warriors tried to come of screens, and body up on shooters, Monta started looking for contact and made his way to the line, ending up with 21 points in the quarter. Dorell (1 R, 2 L's) was still cold from distance, but he was able to use his new found reputation as a shooter to pump fake and drive baseline for a monster left handed dunk.
Adrien came in at around 4:54 after Vlad repeatedly lost a known shooter in Austin Daye, and made one of the most pathetic attempts at a rebound I've seen in a while - jumping in the lane and never bringing his hands above his shoulders despite the ball being in his area. Lucky for the Warriors Andris Biedrins was having a great first quarter, and holding it down inside. He was the team's best defender early on, coming over to challenge shots from guard penetration, and holding his ground inside. I should note he also got to the line and made his first free throw of the season. The crowd loved it.
The Warriors went to a Zone defense with about two minutes left in the quarter and it was effective, helping them to close the first with an 18-2 run.
They started off the second quarter building on the things that made them successful in the first. They were active on defense, creating turnovers and changing ends for easy fast-break points. Adrien continued to give the team good minutes, looking active and making many W's fans wonder why Vlad is still ahead of him in the depth chart. The Warriors built the lead as high as 32 points, but when the switched back to the Zone to end the half the Pistons had the answer and were able to quickly chop the lead down to 23 with nine unanswered points. Overall it was a very strong half, with the Warriors scoring 19 points off turnovers to Detroit's two.
Second Half Struggles
The Pistons came out with an early Zone in the second half that gave the Warriors some problems. I thought they might have busted the zone when Curry found Dorell with a nice lob on a baseline cut, and followed that up with a three the next time down, but Detroit stuck with it. With about 9:30 left Curry picked up his 4th foul and suddenly the Warriors offense began to unravel. The Dubs couldn't seem to find an answer for the zone until an unlikely hero stepped in, in an unexpected way. Yes, Radmanovic, who just minutes earlier looked completely lost on the offensive end was suddenly catching the ball in the middle of the floor and dicing up the zone with some nice high/low action to Andris, and finding cutters and open shooters repeatedly. Golden State was hanging in there, and protecting the lead when Monta was called for his 4th foul with around seven minutes left in the quarter. From then on the game changed. It was foul after foul, with the Pistons marching to the stripe, and the Warriors taking a vacation from the paint.
In the fourth quarter foul trouble was the theme, and you could feel the air come out of the building as things got tense.
Coaching the Lead
Coach Smart didn't have an easy job tonight, but despite coming away with the win, I came away very unimpressed. With most of the key Warriors in foul trouble the Pistons were able to cut the lead to eight with 6:30 left in the fourth. This game got very intense at that point. Andris came up with a huge block, an offensive rebound, and a huge defensive rebound to help keep them ahead. Around that same time Steph Curry stepped up with a big steal that he was able to turn into a transition opportunity and two made free throws. Then he came right back with a big mid-range jumper. The Warriors looked like they were going to be able to hold off the Pistons final run until Charlie Villanueva hit a couple of HUGE threes and bring the outcome back into question.
It was right around this point of the game that I thought the head coaching spotlight might have been a little too bright for Coach Smart again. The team was obviously rattled, and tentative on offense. Smart chose not to call a timeout, and left Monta Ellis sitting on the bench with five fouls while the Warriors on the court continued to fall apart. He wasn't able to settle them down with effective play calling, or do anything from the sidelines to calm the team's nerves. By the time he chose to put Monta back in the game the team was obviously hanging on to this game by their fingernails. They were playing the score, and Smart was coaching the score (he admitted as much after the game) and it was clear to everyone including Jim Barnett that it just wasn't working. Then with 47.8 seconds left Smart reached for his security blanket one last time when he subbed Vlad in for Andris, and it nearly cost them the game. In a moment when the team desperately needed a rebound, their best rebounder was sitting on the bench, and they instead gave up a very costly offensive rebound that led to a made bucket plus a foul. It was very fortunate for Smart that tonight's Warrior Wonder had a trick up his sleeve in the closing seconds to put this game away.
Dorell Wright
If the game saving steal in the closing moments wasn't enough, I'll give it to him for leading the team in assists with six, and helping to offset the absence of David Lee with seven rebounds. But yeah, it's mostly for the huge defensive play to put that ugly second half to bed. Well done your clutchness.
Tonight's WTB (What the Bob?) moment:
I've been noticing that a game doesn't pass by that I don't find myself thinking "What is Bob Fitzgerald talking about right now?" and I thought I'd try out a new feature for our GSoM recap. I'll admit he made it tough when he told new Warrior owner Peter Guber that he was sure we'd be seeing "way too much of him" in the future (great way to get in with the new boss), but this one from when Ben Gordon hit a couple shots took tonight's WTB crown:
When he gets hot you better hide the kids
Is this an expression? If it is, it totally shouldn't be. The best answer I could come up with is that Bob's been spending too much time on YouTube watching this guy...
So you can run and tell THAT!! Homeboy!
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Finally! I’ve been waiting all day for this recap! I was going to take a break from posting for a while, but I can’t help it, I’m legitimately losing my mind over this Vlad thing. Watching him play is driving me nuts. He’s so bad. I scream at my computer any time he comes in. He plays terrible, horrible basketball, the team does worse when he’s in…..and yet he still plays? I’m about two games away from calling for Smart’s head. Just can’t take it anymore.
On a side note, I only watched the first half. What happened? Ugh. I was so…not surprised when I went to ESPN to check the score this morning and not only find a close game, but one that Vlad played a lot and, like usual, had a huge – in +/-. Will it stop? Please? For the love of god?
Missing Barry’s fun fact to keep himself sane and distracted from the Vlad disaster of the day: Warriors are 10th in defensive efficiency using BB-Ref’s ratings. That’s despite being 24th in defensive rebound%, and 27th in FT/FGA. How are we doing it? No surprise that we’re 8th in forcing turnovers. The surprise, though? We’re 10th in eFG%. Apparently we actually are doing a good job of playing “traditional” defense (that is, the aspect of defense related to forcing the other team to take bad/contested shots). Who would have thought? Related note: our own eFG% is higher with Vlad off the court, and our opponents is lower with Vlad off the court. Yeah, sorry, I can’t help it.
by Missing Barry on Nov 16, 2010 12:00 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
How bad is Vlad?
Worse than our feeble human minds can comprehend.
Not only was his +/- awful last night, but it wasn’t a single flukishly bad shift that did it. Every time Vlad stepped on to the floor, the Warriors played worse. From the gameflow:
Shift 1: Duration 7:05, result -1. Played with GS’s normal starters. Made them all look worse than normal. Jeff Adrien comes in, Warriors go on huge run.
Shift 2: Duration 12:00, result -5. For some unknown reason, Smart played him the whole third quarter. I realize there was foul trouble, but that was on Curry and Ellis, not exactly who Radman is subbing for. Did Smart not notice that at the end of the 1st and beginning of the second when Adrien entered the game the Warriors went on a huge run? Serioulsy?
Shift 3: Duration 2:34, result -7. The fourth quarter starts, Vlad is still in the game. There is no justice in the universe. Logic, reason, intelligence, these things matter not. We are just lumps of carbon floating through space on sphere made up mostly of silica and alumina.
Shift 4: Duration 0:52, result 0. Vladimir Radmanovich enters the game, replacing Andris Biedrins with under a minute left as a defensive replacement. Read that. Read that over and over again. The Pistons have fouls to give. They can’t simply foul Biedrins and force him to shot free throws if he ends up with the ball. All they need to do is get a stop and grab a rebound. They force a missed shot, Tracy McGrady walks around Radman, grabs an offensive board, puts it back in, and is fouled. At that point, it was a 2 point game, with McGrady going to the line. A stunned, confused crowd looked on, wondering why? How? What was happening? What happened to the 32 point lead? The 23 point half time lead? Vlad happened.
Monta Ellis's #1 Fan!!!
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by philthiest on Nov 16, 2010 12:42 PM PST up reply actions 4 recs
What truly blows my mind about it is just how painfully obvious it is. This isn’t a case of undervalued stats against the “watch the game!” crowd or anything. However you look at it, he’s terrible! If you watch the game, it’s painfully obvious how bad he is. We called our first time out because twice in a row he helped too far and then didn’t close out on the shooter! Just terrible defense! It’s easy to how bad his D is, how bad his rebounding is. Even the one part of his game someone might defend, his shooting to stretch the floor….he’s even doing that terribly! He freaking airballed his first 3PA yesterday! Then the stats tell the same story of just a horrendous player who doesn’t do anything. Then +/- tells the same story, one which you can also see with your eyes – every time he plays, our team does poorly! What else is there to say? He’s awful, we’re bad when he plays, everything and everyone agrees….I just don’t get it. It’s driving me nuts. So much that I’m actively screaming at my computer screen alone in my room (like last night when he was starting, and then often anytime he was in), I actually root for him to miss every shot he takes (if he continues shooting terribly maybe that will get him out of the game?)…….
by Missing Barry on Nov 16, 2010 12:59 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Vlad is climbing in your window, snatching your people up (but not boxing out anyone, or contesting jumpers)
I’ve said it before, and this seems like as good a place as any to say it again: Vlad is the ultimate fool’s gold. He had a couple steals to prevent transition buckets, and then a few nifty interior passes in a short stretch. But how many mistakes did he make? He practically lost the game for us by not boxing out that free throw. Ever read Charlotte’s Web? Smart is like the crow that’s obsessed with sparkly things, and Vlad is the sparkly fool’s gold that keeps enticing him. WTF Keith? Get your act together. For real. Homeboy.
Sittin in my scraper watchin Oakland goin wild, ta-dow!
Which FT are you talking about?
On the Monroe FT misses, VladRad was on the bench, and whoever were our guards failed to block out Stuckey, who got the board.
McGrady missed a FT, but Ellis got the board. So I’m not complaining.
The San Francisco 49ers, inventing new ways to lose every week!
by Badly Browned on Nov 16, 2010 1:41 PM PST up reply actions
If, as some have stated, the pinnacle of sabermetrics is the convergence of performance analysis and scouting
And apbrmetrics is the basketball version of sabermetrics, then Vlad Rad is the new poster child of apbrmetrics. Because the numbers and all observational evidence agree that he’s horrible.
Unless you’re Keith Smart.
Monta Ellis's #1 Fan!!!
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And when VladRad came out of the game with 9:34 left in the 4th.
The lead continued the drop.
The San Francisco 49ers, inventing new ways to lose every week!
by Badly Browned on Nov 16, 2010 1:12 PM PST up reply actions
Residual stench that he left on the floor...
That, and Ellis and Curry’s foul trouble. The Curry, William, Carney, Gadz, Adrien lineup was pretty awful.
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lol
Yeah, blame Vlad still when he’s sitting on the bench.
I am surprised Smart didn’t get Adrien off Charlie V. sooner when he hit those Treys over Adrien.
The San Francisco 49ers, inventing new ways to lose every week!
by Badly Browned on Nov 16, 2010 2:31 PM PST up reply actions
At that point
his only options to guard Villanueva were Adrien, Vlad, or B Wright, and apparently Brandan’s earned a spot in the doghouse (didn’t Smart just say he doesn’t have a “doghouse”?) Dorell would be the best option, but he’d played the whole game up to that point. Using Carney to cover Charlie would make some sense, but Villanueva could just take him into the post.
Monta Ellis's #1 Fan!!!
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Smart has shown little confidence in Carney
In the match ups last night, with Villanueva hurting them on the perimeter, Carney or B.Wright can go on Prince and Wright-superieur stuck on to Villanueva. Of course, Wright-inferior appeared to be in the ‘dog house’ that doesn’t exist acc. to Smart, and wasn’t even given token minutes to check the proverbial pulse on his game.
Music is the Healing Force of the Universe (a.ayler)
I want to rec this entire thread.
A lot of really well-made points, from a lot of posters. The issues with Vladi, and with Smart’s rotations, have been apparent since preseason. What philthiest has done with game flow here (and thank you) can be repeated ad nauseum. I know, because I was doing it for a while. Including preseason, we’ve played 18 games – that’s 20% of a year without playoffs.
The decline in team efficiency – of our individual players vs their last year, and their careers – is truly alarming. Some of that may be due, as the Guv suggested, to playing people out of their natural positions. Some of it is possibly due to playing good, though incompatible, players together. Perhaps some of it is due to the average number of minutes each 5-player combination has gotten – the vast majority of them are very short.
I find it equally alarming that Smart doesn’t seem to be learning. Without Lee, it’s become increasingly obvious that in-game substitutions aren’t the only issue. Smart’s game planning has to be looked at in general. It seems to me that every significant mismatch that will hurt us has been carefully and deliberately exploited by the opposition. Yes, Pau outplayed Dre – but what you don’t notice unless you spend a lot of time reviewing is that Pau dumped 6 points in over Gadz in less than a minute. They saw it and they took it – this wasn’t luck.
There is now a wealth of data on Smart as a game coach. Much of it is small sample size, but it’s important to remember that doesn’t mean it’s inherently wrong – only that the chance of error is greater. And when SSS after SSS after SSS all point to the same things, you can be fairly confident that it’s not just SSS at play.
That data says to me that he doesn’t know what he’s doing, and that his “lineup experiments” are more of the “let’s see what kind of mold we can grow on leftovers” than a quest for something that actually works. I say this because he does not repeat what works.
I can’t blame Vladi for being Vladi. He’s not forcing Smart to play him. Neither is Dan, or Charlie. If after 18 games Smart doesn’t know what happens – repeatedly – during games, he’s incompetent or pigheaded stubborn or focused on something other than winning.
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by Rasputin10 on Nov 17, 2010 2:08 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
It could be a confidence issue. I say that without meaning to demean the man at all. He might geniunly not have a firm grasp of how matchups and in-game situations should determine lineups, and so he reverts to formulaic patterns like “take out Biedrins at the end of the game because he can’t shoot FT’s.” The fact that fouls were not an issue, and that grabbing a rebound was of paramount importance, seems to have escaped him. To be sure, there are issues with our roster that are beyond his control. Our lack of a real ball control guard off the bench is a huge problem. Reggie Williams is a 7-8th man, not a 6th man. Our bigs are hurt. Etc, etc, etc. But this does not mean that we can’t maximize the advantages we do still have. That is a coaches job, and Smart is in danger of not getting a passing grade.
Sittin in my scraper watchin Oakland goin wild, ta-dow!
Smart and Curry
Keith Smart would have been the ultimate one responsible for the collapse. Monta should have been in the game before the 1:50 mark. Smart’s substitutions are ridiculous. Radmanovic should not be in the NBA.
Stephen Curry is overrated. I am more and more willing to trade him for Carmelo Anthony. Because of his terrible decision making, I just don’t see him ever becoming like a Steve Nash. He will probably be more like a Sam Cassell with better shooting. Limited, but capable point guard.
by illmaticwarrior on Nov 16, 2010 12:07 PM PST reply actions
did you see what Nash was like in year two in the league?
Nash was nothing for several years. Curry’s curve is actually better than Nash’s. Glad your not the GM.
by OmnipotentOne on Nov 16, 2010 12:12 PM PST up reply actions
Curry’s curve is actually better than Nash’s
True, but I’m not sure it’s relevant. Nash’s curve took off at such a ridiculous and unusual point in his career that trying to compare anyone to him is……..I dunno, just doesn’t seem like a good idea to me. I’m sticking with the Mark Price comp.
by Missing Barry on Nov 16, 2010 12:24 PM PST up reply actions
Ugh, Melo? If “terrible decision making” concern you….have you ever watched Melo play?
by Missing Barry on Nov 16, 2010 12:25 PM PST up reply actions
Stephen Curry is overrated.
Overrated by whom? Notwithstanding a few fantasy hoops weirdoes and nerds on this site, I think the consensus among the mainstream NBA talking heads is that he’s a exciting-but-slight combo guard who’s not even the best player on a crappy team.
Cassell in his prime was a very good player. If all Steph is is Cassell with a better 3 pt. shot, that ain’t half bad. Or maybe he’s Price with better rebounding and D. Or Nash without the off-the-charts passing/handling skills but better rebounding and D. That’s a decent range for a guy who plays a premium position and is locked up for the next four years at bargain basement salary. To dump him for an overpaid volume wing scorer like ’Melo would be madness, imho.
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on Nov 16, 2010 12:41 PM PST up reply actions
I trust you count yourself among the nerds, Sleepy.
Sittin in my scraper watchin Oakland goin wild, ta-dow!
Haha. Natch.
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on Nov 16, 2010 4:18 PM PST up reply actions
Cassell was a championship calibre
lead guard — excellent in clutch situations. Wasn’t he on the only respectable Min team in Garnett’s tenure ? Good teams don’t need elite point guards, but smart, efficient ones.
Music is the Healing Force of the Universe (a.ayler)
I’m willing to bet that when Curry understands the game more and he gets into his groove, he’s gonna make you eat your words. He knows what he’s doing wrong. Yes he takes risks and fails terribly. Fortune favors the bold. I agree too, I don’t see him ever becoming a Steve Nash. I see him as someone better.
Trade him for Carmelo? Then who would we have as a point guard? As much as I respect Carmelo’s game, I’d rather live with the promise of Curry’s potential. Besides, I like the “best backcourt” in the league notion. We still haven’t seen the PnR with Curry and Lee perfected yet, but I’m sure it’s in the works.
Better than Steve Nash? Do you comprehend how good Steve Nash is?
by Missing Barry on Nov 16, 2010 3:10 PM PST up reply actions
He’s almost such a unique player that “good” doesn’t really capture it. “Game changing” (as cliched as it sounds) might be more appropriate. He doesn’t really play defense, and yet his ability to dictate the pace of the game, combined with how much his play impacts the production of his teammates, means that…he’s almost a player version of Nellie in his prime.
Sittin in my scraper watchin Oakland goin wild, ta-dow!
Good recap...
I was at the game and this was primarily my experience. I thought that the Vlad hating was largely just in the GSOM echo chamber, but the anger each time he was put in was palpable in my section. He is seriously the most hated man on the team by far.
I’ve been trying give Smart a chance despite the questionable decisions so far, but this was just utterly perplexing. I can get down with pulling Monta when he got his 5th foul with 8+ minutes to go, but watching him sit on the bench until under 2 minutes while the offense completely collapsed was mind boggling and painful. When Smart pulled Andris (who was having a great game on D and on the boards) and brought in Vlad, I was done with Smart. Perhaps it’s a reflection of just being more conscious of the coaching with Smart being new, but I’ve never in my life been so confused by a coach. At least with Nellie, i knew the philosophy and goal behind his often maddening rotations. Smart… I have no idea what you are doing. Period.
by warriorsablaze on Nov 16, 2010 12:07 PM PST reply actions
good recap
i was in my car, listening to the final minutes of the game on my way home from work, and nearly jumped out of my seat when i heard that R1-2L had stolen the ball in the final seconds! at-a-boy, tim roye, now that’s how you call a game! love him on radio, not so much on t.v.
by fuller over bryant on Nov 16, 2010 12:11 PM PST reply actions
Tim Roye is excellent...
I almost never listen to the W’s on the radio, but I caught some of the first quarter last night before getting home to watch it on tv, and it was very interesting. I was surprised how much of the game he was able to get across over the radio when I re-watched that part of the 1st quarter that I had been listening to. The guy is definitely a stud on the radio broadcast.
by olympicmike on Nov 16, 2010 12:23 PM PST up reply actions
Tim Roye
was also called out by a GSOM member during opening night.
I don’t remember who it was, but they apparently got to the game early, were sitting alone in the nosebleeds (watching the giants) and Tim Roye came up, said “follow me” and got them some really sweet lower bowl seats
"Trade Radmanovic. We don’t even want nobody for you, we’ll let you go. Just get off our team".
-Mistah FAB
by Duby Dub Dubs on Nov 16, 2010 2:34 PM PST up reply actions
Sweet lower bowl...
sadly, they’ve closed the outdoor smoking sections
Sittin in my scraper watchin Oakland goin wild, ta-dow!
he's really good
When I’m watching here, if I don’t mute the sound entirely I listen to him with the video muted.
Baseball is a chamber orchestra. Football is a marching band. Basketball is a modern quintet. jazz, rock, hiphop, pop/ all about the beat./ still my revolution not/ til you dance through it.
I think....
… that Curry has been over-hyped, but not overrated. He is definitely making mistakes and I think he does have a way to go to be a great “point guard” but not a great player. If you look at Nash’s career, Curry is light years ahead of where Nash was in his second year. Coaches and scouts all along have noted Curry’s IQ, vision, and passing abilities…and he’s shown flashes of these traits quite often. If he loses the behind the back pass and the lazy one handed pass, I think you’ll find his turnovers to drop immediately. He probably got away with those plays throughout his career, but he needs to break those habits ASAP and make the good, easy pass.
by warriorsablaze on Nov 16, 2010 12:17 PM PST reply actions
One more note...
First off, sorry the recap was so late. SBN was running some site maintenance late last night during the time I was expecting to post this.
One thing I wanted to add to the recap, but didn’t end up fitting in was about the lack of an effective pick and roll so far this season. Watching last nights game particularly closely, (with notepad in hand, and making the DVR work overtime reviewing plays) I have to say that while Steph probably possesses all the raw tools to be a very good PnR PG, he just isn’t yet. He made bad decisions in the PnR more than he made good ones last night. He through the ball behind the roller at least twice, and blew a lob to a wide open roller another time. It’s probably just an experience issue, but it’s a reminder that the Curry to Lee/Andris PnR that we were all drooling over, on paper, isn’t going to come as easily as we’d like. Curry still has a way to go here. I’m actually surprised he only had 3 turnovers last night because his playmaking was pretty questionable at times. He still managed to put together a nice game overall, but he’s not the PnR stud we wish he was. He might be soon, but not at the moment.
true...
…but it doesn’t help when your PnR partner is Gadz…. man, that play was painfully ugly. Lee would have executed, Gadz should BE executed.
by warriorsablaze on Nov 16, 2010 12:20 PM PST up reply actions
Haha
Yeah, but he blew a PnR with every big available last night, so at some point you’ve got to lay the blame at his doorstep. I think he’ll be fine in time, but he still isn’t running it as well as I thought he would be by now.
by olympicmike on Nov 16, 2010 12:25 PM PST up reply actions
I love to have someone like John Stockton work with him in the off season.
Once in a while you get shown the light in the strangest of places if you look at it right.
We have Mark Price on our current coaching staff…
by Missing Barry on Nov 16, 2010 12:47 PM PST up reply actions
not goin to happen
I’ve had a few run ins with Stockton. I highly doubt he would go out of his way.
I predict JT will never breathe through his nose.
by wallywagon11 on Nov 16, 2010 1:42 PM PST up reply actions
What?
You met him on the street and he didn’t teach you the Pick and Roll? What a jerk!! ;-)
Kidding aside, I would actually love to hear the story if you’re willing to divulge…
Don't care to get too specific but he's not exactly the most friendly individual in social gatherings and he comes off as someone who could really care less about interacting with anybody.
I just have a hard time seeing him going out of his way to coach someone and actually have the patience for it. Or heck just going out of his way.
I predict JT will never breathe through his nose.
by wallywagon11 on Nov 16, 2010 2:03 PM PST up reply actions
…11 rebounds in 12 minutes. Not sure what more you could possibly expect from the guy. At least he isn’t airballing treys like a certain someone.
Sittin in my scraper watchin Oakland goin wild, ta-dow!
5 rebounds came in that one sequence where he could get the bucket.
Love the effort, but Gadz has gotta to just kick that out in that situation.
The San Francisco 49ers, inventing new ways to lose every week!
by Badly Browned on Nov 16, 2010 1:43 PM PST up reply actions
could = could not
The San Francisco 49ers, inventing new ways to lose every week!
by Badly Browned on Nov 16, 2010 1:43 PM PST up reply actions
Mwah ha ha!
I was thinking that he may have been intentionally padding his stats….most of those put-backs did not even have a remote chance of going down
….but then I remembered who I was watching
still, I’m cool with him as our 3rd string center (behind Udoh, I hope)
"Trade Radmanovic. We don’t even want nobody for you, we’ll let you go. Just get off our team".
-Mistah FAB
by Duby Dub Dubs on Nov 16, 2010 2:37 PM PST up reply actions
/sigh
This VladRad whipping is going to get old fast, and completely cover up the other issues with the team.
The San Francisco 49ers, inventing new ways to lose every week!
Well once Keith Smart fixes the Vlad disaster, then we can move on to discussing those issues, whatever they may be. :)
by Missing Barry on Nov 16, 2010 1:21 PM PST up reply actions
When Lee, Lou and Ekpe get healthy
The Vlad disaster will fix itself.
The San Francisco 49ers, inventing new ways to lose every week!
by Badly Browned on Nov 16, 2010 1:23 PM PST up reply actions
Agreed.
If we didn’t have any other options due to injury, then it’d just be something we’d have to deal with. However, we have BWright, Adrien, and Gadz who I’d rather see play over Vlad. With Adrien and Gadz, I can count on them to at least make their presence felt inside, and I know they’ll hustle.
Two plays that really pissed me off last night with Vlad within the first 5 minutes. He takes our first shot of the game and airballs the corner 3. Shortly after that, BigBen has a wide open dunk attempt, and Vlad just watches him go up, instead of contesting the shot and at the very least send BigBen to the line, who is a HORRIBLE FT shooter. We lucked out though and the ball slipped out of Ben’s hands which resulted in a turnover going our way.
I am mystified as to why you want to run cover on the Vlad issue. It is clearly the biggest, and most readily solvable, problem facing this team and this coach.
Sittin in my scraper watchin Oakland goin wild, ta-dow!
We already know what the solution is
When we get healthy, Vlad will be irrelevant.
Any win we get with Lee out is a good win.
The San Francisco 49ers, inventing new ways to lose every week!
by Badly Browned on Nov 16, 2010 1:44 PM PST up reply actions
That could be months from now. Vlad could be “fixed” as soon as Friday. Wanna know how? DNP-Coaches Decision.
Sittin in my scraper watchin Oakland goin wild, ta-dow!
With all our injuries
No way Vlad gets a DNP-CD. Is 22 minutes too much? Yes. I personally think Vlad should be a <10 minutes guy at the most. Then of course, give BWright more burn. Adrien got some good minutes in, and I hope that trend continues.
Plus, small ball really needs to burn at the stake. Vlad can at least do a good thing sometimes when paired with another big. He does nothing good as the only big in our 3 Guard lineups.
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by Badly Browned on Nov 16, 2010 1:56 PM PST up reply actions
I’m kind of skeptical about Adrien, but as long as the injury situation is what he is, and as long as he keeps producing….until he shows us he can’t play, I keep running him out there. Biedrins + Wright with Adrien + Gadz backing them up = 0 minutes for Vlad most games.
by Missing Barry on Nov 16, 2010 2:08 PM PST up reply actions
I'd actually have Adrien in there for BWright
BWright is much better on offense, but very inconsistent. And Adrien is miles ahead of him in rebounding/defense, so might as well let adrien get some burn since he’ll always bring the D
by JustSomeName on Nov 16, 2010 2:16 PM PST up reply actions
Still waiting for 82games to get up to date.
Right now, has Adrien as a net +34.0 when he’s on the floor. LOL
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by Badly Browned on Nov 16, 2010 2:27 PM PST up reply actions
basketballvalue.com's updated through last night
Adrien on-floor is +13.56, Net is +16.41
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Ah nice
Thanks for the site :D
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by Badly Browned on Nov 16, 2010 2:31 PM PST up reply actions
Well, like I said, I’m skeptical about Adrien, and I’m not sure how much better he really is than Wright at rebounding/defense. Adrien would definitely have to earn it. As I’ve stated elsewhere, I’m also not a fan of the description “consistent”. As far as I can tell, people just use it as a replacement for “good”. Inconsistent players have good games and bad games, whereas consistent players consistently play well…..which is really just because they’re good players……
by Missing Barry on Nov 16, 2010 2:30 PM PST up reply actions
Vlad consistenly plays horribly, so that sort of refutes your theory, ironically enough.
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Ok ok, I guess I’ll revise it. There are consistently bad players, the worst of the bunch, there are the inconsistent players, the middle group that sometimes plays pretty darn well and othertimes not as well, and the consistently good players, who are the best of the bunch. Either way it’s still code for “good”…..
by Missing Barry on Nov 16, 2010 2:54 PM PST up reply actions
that was pathetic
probably the worst win i’ve seen in quite some time. even the big lead in the first half was a mirage, the pistons had numerous open shots that they simply missed. it definitely wasn’t good warriors defense. if they shoot any sort of percentage in the first half we don’t win that game. it’s been harped on before, but i’ll say it again: vlad is just awful. how he can continue to be so awful and not only play, but be rewarded with the starting job, is beyond me. and of course smart’s rotations still leave quite a bit to be desired. biedrins not being on the floor at the end of games is way past old at this point
What worries me most
Is the team’s inability to hold a lead. Preferably, for the team’s bench to at least hold a lead. Sure, injures have hurt us, but time and time again, we have seen the entire team get complacent with the lead. Settling for early jumpers here, getting sloppy with the rock there, silly fouls there, and the next thing we know our double digit lead is gone. Now, our core of guys have had to deal with many years of losing basketball, so maybe they are just not used to it. Still, I would hope Smart is beating it into their heads to always keep their foot on the pedal and never give teams a chance to come back.
To Smart’s credit, ever since the game @Det, we have not given up a big lead and lost the game. How long can he walk that line though?
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Stunned with some of the negative stuff I've read (not so much the Vlad stuff though, can understand the frustration there in particular)
So long as Lee is out and Curry is hobbled, quite frankly a win is a win. You guys are fairly shallow on that bench. So long as you can keep gutting out wins while Lee is out hopefully you can stay in the hunt for postseason play. Don’t expect them all to be pretty right now.
I predict JT will never breathe through his nose.
vlad rad
his game is deceptive.he actually had some good steals and some beautiful inside dishes but his rebounding and defence is a DISGRACE
This is why
my Laker loving friends will never take the dubs seriously. We blow a 32 point lead? Unacceptable. I know they are going to give me crap about this. Ugh!
Technically
We didn’t “blow” the lead. It may have shrunk, but the Pistons never retook or lead or even tied it.
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by Badly Browned on Nov 16, 2010 4:53 PM PST up reply actions
retook the lead*
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by Badly Browned on Nov 16, 2010 4:54 PM PST up reply actions
Keith Smart’s a horrendous rotation maker. Possibly the worst in the NBA.
All of our players have lower WP48’s than they did last year besides Monta. I think this is do to Smart putting them in bad spots to achieve, like putting all the bench players in at the same time, playing Reggie at PG, playing Vlad…ever.
He’s done a good job with our defense, I will say that. He’s also done a shoddy job with the offense to me, with us ranking with a 18th ranked offense(we were 14th last year even with all the injuries…) but its still a SSS.
by GovernorStephCurry on Nov 16, 2010 5:01 PM PST reply actions
THIS THIS THIS
I’ve been saying this since day one…and people kept pointing at our record.
Come on now…start watching game people…
It’s painfully obvious, even when he coached last season, that he favors vets even more than Nellie did. Not only that, he seems to love small ball in crunch time. He continues to not allow B-Wright play, although B-Wright has sucked…he has been far better on the court than vlad in every category.
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Even if Wright has a few bad games, we know he's been a good player before, and he's still 22.
What do you expect playing Radmanovic? There’s no hope at this point he’ll even be a passable rotation player anymore. His only value was in his jumpshot. Now that’s gone he’s really in the bottom 1% of the NBA.
by GovernorStephCurry on Nov 16, 2010 10:13 PM PST up reply actions
I know
VladRadIsBad, yes, but he did zone bust in the 3rd… and that was really nice to see
hopefully everyone comes back from their injuries soon!!
I didn’t watch the game after halftime. Looking at the box score, I can see we were outscored in the 3rd quarter and that we were -13 total with Vlad on the court. Someone else did a good job of showing how poorly we performed when Vlad was in. Did a few nice plays (let’s be honest, shouldn’t everyone in the NBA be capable of a nice play here or there?) offset the rest of his suckiness?
by Missing Barry on Nov 17, 2010 1:54 PM PST up reply actions
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