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Golden State Warriors Fans in Good Hands :: Fly On The Wall: At the Media Luncheon with Owners Joe Lacob and Peter Guber

I had the fortunate circumstance to attend the Warriors Media Luncheon yesterday at The Epic Roasthouse on The Embarcadero, hosted by new owners Joe Lacob and Peter Guber. I came away with the impression that Warriors fans were lucky -- really lucky -- that Chris Cohan said no to Larry Ellison and picked these guys. And you're gonna love Guber and his forthcoming "idears". Here's my report (read: excessively long, full dissection, "soup to nuts"). There are also links to the major beatwriters' articles on Lacob/Gruber at the end of this. And I will answer any questions you might have in the comments, as best as I can.

But before I give you my fly-on-the-wall-ish rendition, there's no reason to wait until Thanksgiving to give thanks. For me to be invited by the Warriors to attend this schindig ranks right up there with attending the NBA Draft, Summer League, and Warriors Media Day. Thank you to GSoM founders Fantasy Junkie and Atma Brother ONE. Thank you to SB Nation. Thank you to Dan Martinez and Raymond Ridder of the Warriors. Thank you to Sheed of WarriorsWorld for keeping me company. Thank you to ShamSports for making me feel like it's okay to post excessively long posts. Thank you, thank you, thank you.

What made this event kind of ironic for me was that in my previous career working for the venture capital ("VC") business development team at PricewaterhouseCoopers, I got to attend a great many dinners, luncheons, dot-com launch parties and even VC firm launch parties back in the day. This totally reminded me of those days, starting with the free valet parking on The Embarcadero.

Star-divide

The Mingle

Stepping into the The Epic's foyer, I was greeted with a familiar face: Ben Chen of the Warriors PR team (his sister used to work for me), again dressed professionally in formal business attire, who handed me another cool blue Warriors-logo'ed folder to add to my new collection. Inside was the press release and a bio of Joe Lacob, Peter Guber, the other four ownership board members, and a list of other major investors. He also gave me a name plate with a table number in that familiar Copperplate font, as well as my name in some nice calligraphy font. Bottom line: classy, just like how Silicon Valley VCs and entrepreneurs like to do it.

As I chatted things up with Sheed, it being a press luncheon, of course, I saw all of the familiar Warriors TV and media faces: Bob FitzgeraldRic BucherTim KawakamiMatt SteinmetzMarcus Thompson, Tim Roye, Raj Mathai, Monte Poole, Vernon Glenn just to name a few. I also spotted Garry St. Jean and Jim Barnett in a lively discussion about something basketball-related. I couldn't quite hear from where I was standing.

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(photo taken by me, Poor Man's Commish)

When I watched the Comcast segment on this, I noticed that the younger spittin' image of Lacob had to be his son, Kirk Lacob. Let me get this one off the proverbial plate early: business owners hiring their sons happens all... the... time. If owned your own business, you would too. Also, Kirk is right now at the lowest rung of the GM ladder within the Warriors. You or I would be at this rung too. That's the statistical modeling, the number crunching, the grunt work.

Just like when your friend says he works at Kleiner Perkins. Well, he's not a General Partner, right? Then he is the whipping boy of them. He, like the average working class, answers to The Man. He has no decision-making power. This is him getting his feet wet, paying his dues in what will inevitably be a lifelong career in the NBA. Good for him. Too bad for you. It is a non-issue. If Lacob were not to announce it and someone found out, then it would be worse. And I'm sure when Lacob asked Guber and the other investors if they wouldn't mind having his son take a position in the franchise, they all said, "Hey, it's your franchise." Moving on...

Not long thereafter, everyone was encouraged to head downstairs to the restaurant. Everyone was individually seated. I found myself sitting across from Kevin Radich of KGO. To my right were Sheed and Adam Lauridsen. To my left were Steve Bitker and Hal Remy of KCBS.

My jaw almost dropped, as I was finally putting some extremely familiar voices with brand new faces. As Bitker called it, I had a moment of "the magic of radio". You see, back when I was a teenager I was always blasting hip hop or rap. But not in my mom's car; the radio was off-limits. Instead, she had on KCBS. It wasn't even adult contemporary! We're talking talk radio. Not even stereo. AM radio with the "MONO" indicator on!

Well, flash forward to my late twenties in the dot-com era when it was all about stock prices, sports scores, and avoiding traffic driving to and from the 9-to-5. Thanks to my mom, KCBS became a staple, especially since I had mellowed down from my "need-to-feel-the-beat" years. Anyways...

Bob Fitzgerald got on the mic, welcomed everyone, and introduced the chef. The food at The Epic was delicious, and maybe I agree with Thompson that the gumbo wasn't as great as advertised, but who am I to judge?

Over the next 45 minutes or so, we ate at our tables and chatted. I found out that Radich had covered the Jailblazer era of the Portland Trailblazers as well as the "Queens" era of the Sacramento Kings when they came oh so close to a championship (hey, it was the New Jersey Nets representing the East, remember?), only to be thwarted by the Shaq-Kobe Los Angeles Lakers.

The talk with Bitker, Remy, and Radich ranged from John Madden, to Joe Barry Carroll's locker being ripped out courtesy of a pissed-off George Karl knowing that a menacingly grinning Don Nelson outside was about to take his job, to the Jailblazers being stranded on the tarmac while private jet No. 1 was being serviced for a malfunction and jet No. 2 was being used to transport forty of Paul Allen's friends to a party, to Doug Christie's wife staying on hold on the cellphone while Christie took a few minutes to shower ("I'll be right back, honey"), to speculation that Latrell Sprewell's superhuman athleticism overcame the adverse affects of weed while the same could not be said of his smoking buddy Joe Smith.

The Chat (Lacob)

Alas, Fitz took the mic again and introduced Lacob and Gruber. Here was the opening statement...


You can see that Lacob is extremely articulate, straightforward, and speaks from his heart. He's obviously very level-headed, open, and humble while remaining confident. He thinks before he speaks. You find these traits a lot in the Silicon Valley venture world, especially with the top-tier firms like "KP".

He also still plays pickup, although he said that he is just a three-point shooter now (me too, haha!). If you know me, you know that I am a firm believer that basketball is basketball. The drama, roster issues, player egos, and maturity that happen in the NBA also happen in adult rec leagues. You can learn a lot from being passionately involved in most adult hoops team frameworks. That being said, I wonder to what extent does Lacob have such experience? Notice, I said rec league, not pickup ball. There are huge differences between the two. The structure and dynamic of having formalities such as referees, scheduling disputes, padding stats, and crunch time with the shot- or game-clock winding down cannot be overstated.

Lacob would later say that he approved the David Lee trade and that Lee fits perfectly into the type of player that he wants, not only on the court but off it, too. There was talk about a culture change, a change of philosophy. My conclusion is that Warriors fans should get the strong sense that we will never, ever have a Jailblazers situation here in the Bay, and that the types of players we get can be expected to conduct themselves in the same professional manner a la David Lee, or Lacob, or Guber. Whether or not that translates to obtaining a superstar player such as Kevin Garnett, which Lacob would later reference a few times, remains to be seen.

Lacob talked about how in basketball, with just twelve players, and again using the Celtics as a benchmark, a team can be steered in the right direction in a relatively short amount of time. I have two problems with that. First of all, without any expertise into baseball or football roster maneuvering, I'm not convinced because I know inherently that building a strong basketball roster is a very difficult thing to do. It is already a difficult thing to do at the rec league level, so it must be exponentially harder at the NBA franchise level.

Maybe Lacob knows something I don't and it is really easier than baseball or football, but basketball's definitely difficult. There is always a variable such as a player's ego or maturity that you thought you had control over, but turns out you didn't. Then you are left with the painful choice of grabbing the bull by its horns or getting rid of it. It can be quite frustrating. Just look at how long and what pains it took the Lakers to re-achieve their championship-caliber status.

The secret sauce is to put your franchise in a position to be able to more easily bounce back from such setbacks. It has to be an unfair, usually hidden-from-plain-view advantage of some sort.

If Lacob recognizes that the Celtics was really a situation in which Boston put itself in a position to have an unfair advantage (you can't tell me Kevin McHale being the GM of the Minnesota Timberwolves and personal friend of Danny Ainge didn't have an iota of something to do with that), rather than a master stroke of genius by Ainge, then Warriors fans can breathe easy. The only problem is, we won't really know until after the fact.

Steinmetz said on the air last night that a KG deal like that comes once in a lifetime, and that's why Steinmetz isn't bought into what Lacob said. I'm not sure I agree with that either, as my sources have told me that the Warriors were closer than you would believe to acquiring KG, which essentially involved Brandan Wright being inexplicably picked instead of someone else. It's hard, but it's not necessarily blind luck as to be "once in a lifetime".

But if Lacob does not "get" that it is all about obtaining that superstar (let's face it, Paul Pierce and Ray Allen ain't nothin' without KG), that it is preparing the franchise to look attractive enough so that a superstar would actually want to come here as a free agent or in a complex trade, then we may be waiting longer for a championship. Alas, at least the intent is there. The open-ness, sanity-checking, checks and balances of the management structure, and genuine commitment to excellence will probably yield a very competitive team for as long as Lacob remains owner.

Guber talks a lot about being lucky. You have to position yourself to be lucky. I sincerely hope Lacob gets what that means, in a basketball context. And don't underestimate the ability to relate to your players.

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Sorry for the blurriness. You can see "GM" Larry Riley right there, too.

The Chat (Guber)

I really like Guber. First of all, he personally introduced himself to every new face in the foyer. Secondly, you can see how a personality like his is tied to success in the film and entertainment industry. He wears his passion on his sleeve. He, like Lacob, thinks in clear, logical steps. A to B, B to C, and therefore D. He exudes excitement while at the same time not patting himself on the back or otherwise reeking with ego. He is very, very positive.

In fact, in that self-effacing-yet-subtle manner that you see a lot with successful business owners, Lacob explained that he and Guber had met about ten years ago in a failed deal. The deal was some kind of sports franchise. Lacob, being a previous part-owner of the Celtics, had been involved in several attempts to buy various franchises, and Guber has had a failed attempt, among others, at buying the Los Angeles Dodgers.

In Silicon Valley VC-speak, having all these failures is actually a plus. That means they are not coming into this wet behind the ears. They've actually already taken their lumps a few times.

Now back in my day I read hundreds of business plans (well, executive summaries) and one of the most important things to list were your Board members. True to the culture, Lacob proudly announced that they had a woman on the Board (Erika Glazer), and three Asian-Americans, one of which is Vivek Ranadive, CEO of TIBCO, and according to Lacob the first Indian-American to own an NBA franchise (the other two Asians are Harry Tsao and Dennis Wong). Ranadive holds the title of Executive Vice Chairman.

Lacob dubbed it a 21st-century model akin to the Boston Celtics' large ownership group. There are 22 or so, or more, investors in the entire group. I looked on the investor list and noticed Chad Hurley, co-founder of YouTube, and Nick Swinmurn, co-founder of Zappos.

Funny how not longer than a decade ago, Zappos was the only portfolio company left amongst Tony Hsieh and Alfred Lin's struggling VentureFrogs firm and restaurant over there next to the AMC Theaters at 1000 Van Ness. I could've never guessed that that dude working his butt off on the mezzanine floor would turn out to be a part-owner of the Warriors!

Lacob mentioned that while there may have been another person in the auction for the Warriors who was worth $28 billion, the collective pocketbooks of all of the new Warriors investors probably exceeds that. In short, the investor group has resources.

After the intro round where Fitz asked the necessary foundational questions, Warriors PR man Dan Martinez went around with a mic for questions from the audience. Ryan Leong of KCBS asked the first question. There weren't that many questions, nor hard-pressed questions, as we all had been buttered up while at the same time, the food portions were light (and curiously family-style), so it wasn't like we were in food coma. There were questions from Poole, Ann Killion of SI, and a few others. Most of the questions are answered in the articles linked at the bottom of this post.

Guber was asked if his location in SoCal would be a detriment to the team. He pointed to his example of the Loews Metreon complex as proof that he can deliver on location-based entertainment when needed. I'm not sure there's an issue there as Lacob is the majority owner and without question a Bay Area guy.

Perhaps the most challenging question came from Lauridsen, who referenced the Cohan era. Lacob said he did not want to dwell on the past and everything was about this point, moving forward. It would only be later that Guber would make his now-famous "cure for Cohan" quip. Other than that, there was absolutely no negative talk of Cohan, again true to Silicon Valley VC form (at least in open doors!).

Lacob stressed that, again as VCs often do when they take over a company, the current mode they're in is "assess". They need to figure out what's working and what's not, both on the court and off. He didn't mention the timeframe, but one has to imagine that there will be enough data to glean by at least the end of this season, if not sooner.

The Split: Lacob

As the talk came to a close, Lacob remained on the mini-stage while Guber sat down on a stool not too far away where the reporters could ask questions one-on-one. I listened in on each, first with Lacob.

The most interesting thing about his one-on-ones was that Kawakami had asked him about the $12 to $14 million in expiring contracts coming up, and Lacob corrected him to say $17-and-a-half million and that he thinks about that everyday. Really cool to see an owner (and not deferring to his GM) having a firm grasp on the roster numbers.

The other good news is that Lacob loves defense and rebounding. He spoke about how the previous roster makeup was run-and-gun, but if you couldn't rebound the ball, who cares? It didn't matter how good the guards were.

He said that he felt Stephen Curry and Monta Ellis represent one of the best backcourts in the NBA. He also felt that the Warriors need to add beef, a la the Celtics frontline, but that there could be a fusion with the Showtime Lakers, in that we would have the guards to run as well as the girth to board.

Then he mentioned that rebounders Ekpe Udoh and Louis Admundson had not even gotten a chance to play with the team yet. So even with the present lineup, he is optimistic.

On the topic of the Warriors logo, Lacob said that the NBA process for changing a logo takes three years. As with all other aspects of the franchise, as necessary they will assess and make decisions as they are brought to the Board.

The Split: Guber

Leaving to go listen in on Guber, you could really see where this was, indeed, an extremely complementary partnership. Guber, with all of his experience building cinemas and making movies, was oozing with passion for his trade. It felt like you could spend a whole day with him telling you stories of what he learned in each of his past business successes and failures.

His approach is very engaging. Along with the raspy Bostonian accent, he'll do a fair amount of hand and arm gesturing, even some finger pointing and poking you just enough to make sure you have his full, undivided attention.

He talked about his concern that young fans aged 7 or 9 would have a hard time coming to a 7:30pm game at Oracle on a Tuesday night. He talked about perhaps having a mascot to re-engage such fans. He talked about how he hated it when someone sang the national anthem and you couldn't hear what he or she was singing. And how he wants to somehow tie in social media, to which Bucher joked that ethernet at an arena was all but an impossibility.

Guber even broached the subject of anime or animation on-screen at the arena. He joked that the dot races were terribly outdated, although Bucher quipped that they were hugely successful. Guber wasn't disagreeing with that, but he was hoping for better ideas and even more engaging experience.

It was clear that Guber was ready to put every ounce of his expertise to work, for the benefit of Warrior fans.

Of course, in the press, he will now be forever tied to his, "We're not the cure for cancer, but we may be the cure for Cohan" quote. Sure, it raises eyebrows and is headline-worthy, but the most oft-repeated words I heard him say were:

  • Location-based entertainment,
  • A need to know the questions before the answers,
  • Attitude along with the aptitude, 
  • Communal aspect,
  • You need to be lucky too and
  • Fun.

Last week my dad, while not surprisingly broaching on the subject of Jeremy Lin, told me about Terry Tai-Ming Guo, the richest man in Taiwan. Well, Guo may be a tycoon, but recently some of his employees jumped off their building to commit suicide. This is a rather extreme example and I'm looking at this from a macro level, but suffice it to say, I have a feeling that Guo and Guber have opposite personalities, especially with Guber's continued repeating of the word "fun".

Reflection

After that, Warriors head of PR Raymond Ridder, scurried Lacob and Guber upstairs for more on-camera interviews and the event was officially over. On my way out, I had one of The Epic's magnificent desserts that I can only describe as something-that-is-not-ice-cream-in-a-mini-waffle-cone, splashed with some chocolate sauce. I almost wanted to take a 2nd one with me, but decided that I might look like a pig in doing so.

As I waited for my car outside, Marcus Thompson sure enough was trying to get rid of his dessert cone, to which Poole and Roye were having none of. I'm not quite sure how he got rid of it. In any case, I chatted up Roye, who had the envious task of being with the Warriors on their recent roadtrip. Surprisingly, Milwaukee was clear and sunny -- much like the day we had at The Epic -- although, it was still Milwaukee. He wasn't all too excited about Memphis, in sort of a been-there-done-that with the BBQ thing.

For me, I was giddy. After all those years of dot-com party-hopping and schmoozing with the VCs, with this new ownership group, I felt like my past life in Silicon Valley had returned to mesh with the new one in basketball. Lacob and Guber seem accessible. The fact that Guber had followed me on Twitter just hours before the luncheon, perhaps at the behest of Martinez, indicated that he was true to his word that he would try to make the Warriors even more social than they already are (with all due credit to Ridder, is that even possible?).

Here are two owners who "get" that an NBA basketball franchise is really about the community. It's the players, the roster moves, the management hirings, the media, the fans, the fan experience, and the continued cultivating of the market. Running a huge recreational basketball league that spans the three areas of San Francisco, Oakland, and San Jose, which Lacob often referenced, I cannot stress how on-point that is: basketball and community are forever intertwined; it's a symbiotic relationship.

It seems to be an open-door policy here with Lacob and Guber. That's good enough for me, to start. I'd rather have that and no cleaning of the house, than a cleaning of the house but the front doors still closed.

I felt really opportunistic and hopeful. I felt like we were lucky. Even though we all know that Ellison has a limitless pocketbook and his devotion to winning the America's Cup clearly shows that he will stop at nothing to win, I think we were fortunate to get Lacob and Guber instead. The way that they are going about this, that is the Bay Area way. From every topic, including the one about whether the Warriors would be eventually moved San Francisco, was addressed in the multi-faceted way we look at things here in the Bay.

Predictions

So, here are my predictions with this ownership group, based on my feel for Lacob and Guber (and I could very well be wrong):

  • Cleaning house will not happen. True to the VC way, people will exit without much fanfare. New hires will be celebrated, but not overly-hyped, because that is no longer necessary. The culture is already changing. To reach their soon-to-be-determined desired level of culture change, need not "rock the boat". This point goes against Kawakami's beliefs that there needs to be a clear and present change from the Cohan era.
  • Riley probably won't be here long-term, especially once Lacob learns the nuances -- if he doesn't already have them from his experience with the Celtics -- of the relationships needed in making deals happen.
  • Lacob still needs to hire a brand-name GM on the level of Jerry West or Donnie Walsh. I just have this feeling that Lacob can see the jungle of the NBA and plan for it, but as far as getting in there with a machete and hacking his way through to the Promised Land, he needs an expert guide (who can find the Tarzans).
  • Keith Smart will definitely be earning his paycheck, but the good news is, his philosophy happens to be in line with Lacob's.
  • The Warriors frontline will get bigger.
  • By next season there will be a Warriors mascot and, with Guber's Cohan quip, it certainly will not be a reincarnation of Thunder.
  • You will probably see some nice Draft-day maneuvering on the (revered) level of Danny Ainge.
  • You might see an All-Star Game back at Oracle sooner rather than later.
  • If there is an NBA lockout, you can rest assured that when play resumes, these owners will do everything in their power to mend the inevitable broken hearts of the fans.
  • The Warriors will continue to be the franchise that leads the NBA in technological and social media advances.
  • Guber will become a regular reader of GSoM. (okay, that's a wish more than a prediction, but I think we're right up his alley)

Links

Here are the links from the luncheon. If there are any I missed, post them in the comments and I will update...

Oh By The Way

Incidentally -- and here is your reward for reading all the way down to here -- my sources (not the same sources as the KG/J-Rich deal) tell me this is how the $450 million broke down. And it is second-hand information, so it could very well be wrong. Note: this information was not available at the luncheon...

  • Lacob: $75 million
  • Guber: $25 million
  • Major investors: $100 million pool
  • Minor investors: $100 million pool
  • $150 million in debt instruments

I will try to answer as many questions from the comments as I can. Thanks.

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Great job!

I feel like I was there with you.

by OmnipotentOne on Nov 16, 2010 3:49 PM PST reply actions  

thanks, that's my intent

Definitely feel blessed to be the one designated on the GSoM team to be the liaison with the Warriors and attend their media events, so it is my obligation to share the access as much as possible with you guys, because without you readers, there’s nothing!

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by Poor Man's Commish on Nov 16, 2010 4:26 PM PST via mobile up reply actions   1 recs

Awesome read

New ownership is a godsend for those who have endured Cohan’s money-grab.

We'll miss you Frown-Face Randolph. "You came, you cried, you almost conquerred."

by Baygiant11 on Nov 17, 2010 10:57 AM PST up reply actions  

Wonderful Read and report !

Cant help but feel optimistic about this ownership group! Love the fact that it is a bay area/California group. Even love Grubers Boston connection. Lived there awhile and loved it.

You really captured this event . It was like being there with you, the way that you laid it down. Great job!
Welcome to the the Warrior Joe and Peter and the group. We are happy campers!

by Only In Fairfax on Nov 18, 2010 7:32 AM PST up reply actions  

Nice overview

I can tell you have big love for the Warriors and for the game of basketball. Thank you for all your effort to cover this (hella fun) event, and summarizing it for us.
Go Warriors – its a new day!

by WestCoastWarrior on Nov 16, 2010 4:14 PM PST reply actions  

Thanks PMC!

I’m glad you got the chance to go. Thanks for sharing the experience with everyone here.

by olympicmike on Nov 16, 2010 4:28 PM PST reply actions  

your welcome

Your consistency with previews and recaps is not going unnoticed either. Really appreciate that, since i’m more of a guy who does one excessively long post here or there.

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by Poor Man's Commish on Nov 16, 2010 5:37 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

It’s beacuse no other investor has more than $10M invested. Basic math my friend.

by OmnipotentOne on Nov 16, 2010 4:37 PM PST up reply actions  

yup

plus the $150 million in debt which Im guessing is on Lacob’s/Guber’s dime.

by WestCoastWarrior on Nov 17, 2010 8:40 AM PST up reply actions  

plus the $150 million in debt which Im guessing is on Lacob’s/Guber’s dime.

yeah, i was wondering who get to speak for the debt?

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by Skeptic con Urquell on Nov 17, 2010 10:37 AM PST up reply actions  

I do think that, relatively speaking and perhaps in contrast to other monolithic owners, Lacob’s $75 million appears to be on the smaller side. On the other hand, he’s a VC working for the number one firm perhaps of all-time, so at the end of the day, I’m sure the deal was convincing and appropriate for all parties involved.

If I am David Stern, would I want all 30 teams structured this way? Probably not.

Also on that note, something tells me — and this is just a total guess — that Michael Jordan probably raised more money on debt and didn’t have to put as much cash in for the Bobcats because, well, he’s Michael Jordan.

Finally while the risk is spread in the Warriors deal, the bottom line is that they may not see cash flow positive for quite some time. I know of other ownership groups where even minority owners are making digits of cash each year just based on their dividend cut of a cash-flow-generating franchise.

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by Poor Man's Commish on Nov 16, 2010 5:45 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Michael Jordan is rich as hell

I highly doubt his figures came from debt. That man has made way more money outside of basketball than he did in, with his endorsements and shoe brand. And he made A LOT as a player.

by jonesin25 on Nov 16, 2010 11:14 PM PST up reply actions  

Having a lot of money doesn’t mean you can straight up pay cash for something as expensive as a basketball franchise. Even if Jordan is a billionaire (or close), coming up with a couple hundred million in cash on the spot is hard. An ESPN article I found says Jordan’s taken on at least $150M in debt.

by Missing Barry on Nov 19, 2010 7:24 AM PST up reply actions  

Lacob and Guber

borrowed the $150 m. — if you do the addition, they combined for 100m., the other part owners for $200m, with the borrowed amount to total the 450m. sale price. Another way to look at it, Lacob and Guber are running the team without combining for even a third of the purchase price. They are also assuming the outstanding debts/obligations of the team, like taxes, the lease on the arena, usw.

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by the.monk on Nov 17, 2010 12:43 AM PST up reply actions  

Whats the point of having the debt though?

Wouldn’t that debt grow with interest and be more of a burden than anything?

by GovernorStephCurry on Nov 17, 2010 12:55 AM PST up reply actions  

not this again...

Depends what the interest rate is. If they have a pretty good rate, it might be worth it to pay the interest on it, and then use the money they have in other investments that makes more money than the interest they had to pay on the $150 million.

by bObaBaLLa on Nov 17, 2010 3:24 PM PST up reply actions  

or even better, they may have loaned it to themselves as a way of generating cashflow via interest at a lower tax rate and higher return after factoring in capital gains.

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by Rasputin10 on Nov 17, 2010 4:59 PM PST up reply actions  

There are a lot of reasons to have debt. When you buy a house, you go into debt on it because you can’t afford to pay cash for it. If you’re a bank, and interest rates in one country are 1% and interest rates in another country are 5%, you can take out debt at 1% and buy bonds paying you 5% in the other country, assuring yourself a 4% ROI. With this particular case, maybe they have a good rate on their debt, maybe they just couldn’t come up with all that money all at once (even if you’re extremely rich liquidating $100M in cash quickly can be tough)….

by Missing Barry on Nov 19, 2010 7:27 AM PST up reply actions  

Over time, there are different periods when borrowing money is more expensive and less expensive

Right now, it is historically very cheap to borrow money. This is a good time to borrow money. Borrowing money allows you to not only put that borrowed money to use, but to also keep your money, or put your money and the borrowed money to use.
This gives them more resources($), and the cost of expanding their resources (interest) is smaller than the percieved benefits (revenues from investments).

I personally dont want to have debt, but if I borrow a dollar, at a price of 10 cents (meaning I have to pay back $1.10), and I know I can put that dollar into an investment that will get me $1.60, then I will accept that $0.10 debt for that $0.60 revenue, making $0.50 profit.
Borrowing can be risky, but can be an effective strategy, especially when money is cheap to borrow, which it is right now.

by WestCoastWarrior on Nov 22, 2010 10:14 AM PST up reply actions  

Instead of equity (like stock) some of the funding came from “debt instruments” – promissory notes, bonds, open lines of credit. Some of them may be “convertible” – at either the team or the holder’s option, it could be turned into equity instead. Despite the suggestion of jonesin25, lack of cash is only sometimes the reason debt is employed in structuring a deal of this size.

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by Rasputin10 on Nov 17, 2010 12:44 AM PST up reply actions  

Fantastic piece, PMC. You restoked the stoked-itude I felt when first heard Lacob interviewed. I remain impressed with the guy: smart, soft spoken, determined — reminds me a bit of John Henry and Epstein from my Red Sox. Let’s hope he rights the franchise’s ship as quickly as Henry and Epstein did.

I like Guber a lot, too, perhaps partly ’cos hearing his broad Boston accent always brings me back to my Bwahston roots…

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by Sleepy Freud on Nov 16, 2010 4:41 PM PST reply actions  

Back when the Knicks were championship contenders, I often wished that the GSW could become the NYC of the West. It’s ironic that this ownership group has a Bostonian as well as the structural similarities to become the Boston of the West.

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by Poor Man's Commish on Nov 16, 2010 6:10 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Boston and San Francisco are like sister cities to me.

Having lived in both as well as a few others in the midwest and south they are my favorite citys in the USA. Both are beautiful, mixture of the old and new, well educated population, livable, liberal politically,expensive and in great natural settings with beautiful country side surounding and both have a rich unique culture compared to many cities.

by Only In Fairfax on Nov 18, 2010 8:02 AM PST up reply actions  

Fantastic post

Thanks so much!

I’m really fascinated by this marriage of Hollywood and Silicon Valley VC. er.. oh wait, that’s the Bay Area economy in a nutshell. A good chunk of it, anyway. The event sounds yeah, almost exactly like a vc luncheon/launch. So what’s the Warrior elevator pitch?

I’m also fascinated that our fanbase here at GSoM seems a bit skewed towards people who are comfortable with economic and/or business analysis. Function of being in the Bay Area, perhaps?

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by Rasputin10 on Nov 16, 2010 6:32 PM PST reply actions  

I’m really fascinated by this marriage of Hollywood and Silicon Valley VC

 i’d rather have owners interested solely in the game and not in selling us something we don’t need.

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by Skeptic con Urquell on Nov 16, 2010 9:09 PM PST up reply actions  

Thanks

for posting this. Nice to hear about what happened. I feel we are lucky to have Lacob and Guber and hopefully they can bring a championship to Golden State and bring us a team we can all be proud of

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by GSW9 on Nov 16, 2010 7:04 PM PST reply actions  

Great work, PMC

I agree that Lacob and Guber seem like pretty decent guys and I will give them the benefit of the doubt, but I will keep my stance that the hiring of Kirk Lacob wasn’t good…at least appearance wise, initially.

I can tell you that working in the VC world for 7 years myself, I do run across a lot of daddy’s boys. And in my inexperience, they all try too hard to fill daddy’s shoes and try to be a big shot. But that’s just my experience. It sounds like Joe Lacob will keep Kirk Lacob humble and keep him working hard and I hope that it works out. I hope that if it doesn’t work out, Joe Lacob has the balls to fire him (it sounds like he would, based on what type of person he seems to be).

That being said, I don’t agree with this…

Let me get this one off the proverbial plate early: business owners hiring their sons happens all… the… time. If owned your own business, you would too.

It may happen all the time, but it also doesn’t happen all the time and for good reason. It wouldn’t be an automatic decision for me to hire my kid (I’ll consider this is easier said than done as I don’t have any kids right now). Maybe because my father’s real estate firm has a no-family policy which I’ve always respected, albeit struggled with when I was younger and wanting the easy way in.

All this being said, I hope this all works out.

by Doctor Kajita on Nov 16, 2010 10:14 PM PST reply actions  

The good thing is, he is a statistical analyst.

At least he is a smart guy and understands basketball pretty well. It’s not the same as Jed York.

by GovernorStephCurry on Nov 16, 2010 11:40 PM PST up reply actions  

I agree but at the same time, they could have hired any stat guy. It’s not like this was a position that was burning to be filled. If they really needed to fill this position and felt it was important, they would have taken their time with this type of hire. But it’s not that important and it was just a job that Kirk Lacob was handed because he’s the son. Sure, he had a job lined up with Steve Kerr, but how many others have had a job lined up or got this same job that are just as qualified, if not more? We don’t know, but I’ll presume it’s more than just one Kirk Lacob.

by Doctor Kajita on Nov 17, 2010 8:26 AM PST up reply actions  

I still like Truehoop’s take:

But if you’re inclined to do so, do so while realizing this: Very few good NBA jobs are handed out after an open search, and based on pure merit.

Quick: Name an NBA GM, team president, or head coach who did not play in the NBA, have family in the NBA in some capacity, or some pre-existing business relationship with their employer. There just isn’t that much NBA expertise plucked from outside the NBA. In other words, meritocracy is not the norm…

…But do I think that the Warriors fell a step behind the competition by bringing in a basketball-crazy kid from Stanford who has been charged with working extremely hard? I doubt they lost anything, because experience suggests if it weren’t Kirk Lacob in this job, it would have been some other brand of crony.

by Missing Barry on Nov 19, 2010 7:32 AM PST up reply actions  

It's a valid point, MB

And I referenced it in my blog post on Kirk Lacob.

by Doctor Kajita on Nov 19, 2010 10:39 AM PST up reply actions  

Excellent post

I usually don’t read ones that are lengthy, but I read yours all the way through.
on the subject of hiring his son thing I don’t know what to think. I don’t see it as important as long as the team is successful. Its a petty thing to argue or get mad over. Lacob seems like a man that appreciates hard work. He’ll probably be taking his son along slowly and its too early to make these assumptions anyways. Who the hell knows?

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by MJ5 on Nov 16, 2010 11:39 PM PST reply actions  

At first it kinda seems like a big deal

But I think looking at the big picture, it becomes less and less of an issue. I mean, so the owner has a kid who works in the organization, so what? It does happen all the time (as has already been mentioned). We all appreciate the fact that Curry got the behind the scenes NBA experience he was given at a young age simply because of who his dad is.

by WestCoastWarrior on Nov 17, 2010 8:53 AM PST up reply actions  

yeah, I agree

I thought that I cared more about this, but upon furhter consideration, it’s cool.
The job title scared me more that the actual hire. But it sounds like it is more an issue of giving the kid a lofty title; the actual job sounds pretty reasonable

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by Duby Dub Dubs on Nov 17, 2010 9:52 AM PST up reply actions  

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by Poor Man's Commish on Nov 17, 2010 11:40 PM PST up reply actions  

I am currently taking a moment of silence

to commemorate our new era

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by Duby Dub Dubs on Nov 17, 2010 9:52 AM PST reply actions  

Loved the article. My question is this...

How do "I’ get invited to the next free Warriors luncheon?

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by callahan on Nov 18, 2010 5:53 AM PST reply actions  

Great write up!

I really appreciate you sharing all this, it was a great read.

I do have one quibble:

Also, Kirk is right now at the lowest rung of the GM ladder within the Warriors. You or I would be at this rung too. That’s the statistical modeling, the number crunching, the grunt work.

Although that may be the case, you really make it sound like he’s just another guy toiling away for the team doing “grunt work”. His situation is hardly typical:

  • He was given the title of director of basketball operations
  • (I’m guessing) he’s making more bank than the typical “fresh out of college” grunt getting started in the industry
  • His dad’s the boss. I really doubt whoever he’s reporting to is going to chew him out if he screws up or takes off early on a Friday afternoon as if he’s just another grunt.

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by Goofus on Nov 18, 2010 11:11 AM PST reply actions  

1. Title – I hereby grant you the title Director of Basketball Commentary. Somehow, I doubt that will change what you do, but it does look good on your biz card when you hand to a girl at the club.

2. I seriously doubt he’s making more than a typical Stanford grad getting started (except for “interns”, that indentured servant position only those well-off can afford to take.)

3. Don’t doubt he’ll get chewed out if he deserves it. In any cases nepotism gets you the position – with the expectation that you’ll work twice as hard as anyone else.

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by Rasputin10 on Nov 18, 2010 11:45 AM PST up reply actions  

Really?
I seriously doubt he’s making more than a typical Stanford grad getting started (except for "interns", that indentured servant position only those well-off can afford to take.)

Being married to someone with a master’s degree in sports management and who spent several years working in pro sports (different league, but also one of the “big three”), I know first hand how poorly recent grads in the industry are paid. (It’s an industry that doesn’t have to pay much in salary because so many want to work there.)

I’ll stick to my assumption that Lacob the younger is getting paid far better than his fellow grunt in the next cube.

Look, he may be a great kid and I’m not claiming he’s not qualified to do the work he’s doing. I’m only disputing that he’s probably getting special treatement not afforded a typical grunt.

The thong is, it happened.

by Goofus on Nov 18, 2010 11:57 AM PST up reply actions  

It’s an industry that doesn’t have to pay much...

like theater, and many others. Absolutely. My point is that overt special treatment (rather than nepotism per se) is destructive to an organization, and that I doubt Lacob and his team are foolish enough to inject that mess into what they’ve already inherited.

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by Rasputin10 on Nov 18, 2010 2:46 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't think it's overy overt

…but it’s pretty much impossible to completely avoid

The thong is, it happened.

by Goofus on Nov 18, 2010 3:24 PM PST up reply actions  

I don’t really share any of your concerns, honestly. The title is just a title. The GM came up with it because it sounded good. It’s really not very meaningful. What matters is his actual job responsibilities. Who knows how much he’s making (that industry pays like crap!), but if he’s making more….well, it’s essentially his dad’s money, so oh well. As for the third point, I have way too much faith in the Warriors new owners to buy into that. Riley is his boss, and his dad should really have nothing to do with his position or how he’s treated. If he’s not working hard, I think his dad would be very displeased.

by Missing Barry on Nov 19, 2010 7:36 AM PST up reply actions  

"It may be the cure for Cohan, but it isn't the cure for cancer."

I chuckle every time I see or hear this quote, but I wonder if Cohan is planning to sue for slander ;).

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by callahan on Nov 18, 2010 11:44 AM PST reply actions  

the commish

(stern) immediately sent the owners a memo to muzzle further disrespectful comments. (source, Lacob in his radio spot)

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by the.monk on Nov 18, 2010 11:58 AM PST up reply actions  

what Lacob didn't explain

with all of his ‘love what we did in Bos’ blather, he left out the part about repeated disastrous seasons helping them build a war chest of high lottery picks (Jefferson, and the pick traded for Allen, both of which were essential elements of the Garnett acquisition, and other players in the trade w. Min). His fondness for ‘bouef’ and defense sounds fine up to a point, but his favorites Bos/LA-L also both feature an elite wing, plus a 4 with the skills of a wing.

Lacob has already forgotten one of his sound byte campaign slogans — ‘I prefer to under-promise and over-deliver’.

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by the.monk on Nov 19, 2010 1:07 PM PST reply actions  

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