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Why not start Carney?

So far we've lost 3 games in a row (NY, @LAL, DEN) and now our Warriors are off on a 3 game road trip against 3 teams that we should be able to beat, but with the way we've been playing recently even 1 win seems like it would take a lot of luck or just a terrible shooting night from the opposing team. It's obvious that this team misses David Lee, but until he gets back we need to stay competitive. We shouldn't be dropping games against teams that we can beat.

The problem is clearly at the PF spot. Without Lee, Amundsen, and Udoh we are getting abused every night at that position. Trying to play BWright, Vladi, and Adrien at the 4 isn't producing the results we need. Therefore, I have a proposal for a new starting line-up.

1: Curry

2: Ellis

3: Carney

4: DWright

5: Biedrins

I think this would work better than starting both Biedrins and Gadzuric. Dorell Wright is 6'9, and I think that he has the best shot out of anyone on this team of stopping the opposing team's PF. Also, this gives Carney some burn and a chance to prove what he's got. I think if given the minutes this kid will surprise us. Another advantage of doing this is that it allows us to keep Reggie off the bench as our 6th man and have Adrien back up DWright at the 4. Also, as much as I hate him, this would allow us to put in Vladi at spot minutes at the 3/4/5 just to see if he's going to get hot from 3.

So my question is why not start Rodney Carney?

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I've been thinking the same thing

that’s a super athletic run and gun lineup!!! giving up a little beef to the other team but i think its better than beans and gadz starting. what if both of them get into foul trouble early? i mean i know a lot of people used to complain about nellie having different lineups all the time and it messes up chemistry and confuses everyone as to what there role is blah blah blah but we are a new team and i think keith smart has an opportunity to really see what he’s got right now even though it might cost us some games i think it will benefit us later on. i carney was a good signing and i think he’s going to contribute to this team. did yall see that fastbreak dunk he had last game? we need to get him more dunks the kid can fly

by No Dice Jim Rice on Nov 24, 2010 10:22 AM PST reply actions  

Not v. Houston or Minnesota

Scola and Love are awful match ups for Dorell. But V. teams like Detroit with PF like Villanueva, absolutely

by tafkasam on Nov 24, 2010 10:22 AM PST reply actions  

I agree.

I also agree with tafkasam in starting Dorell …

V. teams like Detroit with PF’s like Villanueva

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by ROMESdavidWOOD37 on Nov 24, 2010 1:15 PM PST up reply actions  

That's actually the best option right now

as far as I can tell. It gives you several options if Dre is the first subbed out – you can go with Gadz and stay conventional, or bring in Carney or RW if you want to go small. In some ways Gadz starting over Adrien has advantages – primarily that Adrien plays well with both of them, so you have more flexibility to adjust who you bring him in for. I’d also bring in Lin instead of Carney or RW for Steph.

We’re getting killed on shooting fouls and rebounds. We’ve only got 3 decent rebounders at the moment – two of them are foul-prone and one is undersized. It’s a problem.

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by Rasputin10 on Nov 24, 2010 1:26 PM PST up reply actions  

I don’t think playing Dorell at the 4 at times, given our situation, against the right matchup, is a bad idea at all. That said….I’m not sure it’s any better than playing Vlad at 4, and I hate Vlad at 4. Is the upgrade between Vlad and Dorell playing the 4 any larger than the downgrade from Dorell to Rodney at 3? I’m not so sure. It’s really a no-win situation for Smart at this point. For this particular matchup, I’d rather lean towards more interior D and rebounding at the 4 spot, which means more Adrien/Gadz and less Vlad/Dorell.

by Missing Barry on Nov 24, 2010 11:03 AM PST reply actions  

How about playing Vlad at the 2 when we give Monta a rest?

(naw nevermind).

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by ROMESdavidWOOD37 on Nov 24, 2010 1:17 PM PST up reply actions  

Remember when . . .

we used to front yao with harrington and it was always super effective??? totally agree with what you guys are saying. i think that run and gun lineup can be a tool with the right matchups. we’ve got memphis to deal with between houston and minnie so yea it would be a bad choice right now but depending on when dlee gets back, in a week and a half we have pheonix, okc, dallas. that could be a stretch of games to try it.

by No Dice Jim Rice on Nov 24, 2010 11:13 AM PST reply actions  

Andris would have to gaurd Scola, and thats if Yao isn’t playing, Scola would abuse Carney or D Wright, it would be too easy to exploit…Even D. Wright or Carney on Chuck Hayes is asking a lot out of those two guys…best case scenario is to start Gads and try the other lineups as the game developes??

by Brothaplease09 on Nov 24, 2010 12:59 PM PST reply actions  

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Wouldn’t mind your suggested lineup and it wouldn’t bother me if Smart went with this lineup for certain matchups.

I do like Dorell starting at the 3 and Carney coming off the bench.

As long as David Lee is out, I would prefer Jeff Adrien getting the most minutes and experience he can eat up. I really feel he has the potential to help this team later in the season when the Dubz have to face the “Big Beefed” or more talented front court teams.

I like how us dubz fans can discuss\argue different combinations of how this team can be better. Honestly, I’m not worried at all and still have confidence we are gonna be alright.

Go Warriors still. or something.

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by ROMESdavidWOOD37 on Nov 24, 2010 1:30 PM PST reply actions  

No. D.Wright may be in a slump

But his skill set is a lot broader than Carney’s. Carney isn’t much of a passer or creator. That’s something Dorell makes up for at the SF position.

by Richboievans on Nov 24, 2010 1:38 PM PST reply actions  

No Gads No Adrien Yes Carney

I agree, Carney should start when Lee is out.

I understand the Smarts concept of sticking with a “traditional” lineup, instead of Nellie’s crutch of falling back to small ball…but….DANG IT…winning is the name of the game. If the line up OCCASIONALLY has to go small to create match up problems in Lee’s absence, then so be it.

This pig headedness about avoiding small ball has cost the W’s 2 full games, I think. Slow starts and anemic offiense following Lee’s injury could likely have been avoided with the proposed starting lineup.

I know a W isn’t guaranteed by doing it, but, frankly this team had no shot at winning with the CURRY, ELLIS, DWRIGHT, GADZ, BEANS lineup. Gadzuric and Adrien have hands of stone (how many Curry passes have ricochet off them when if caught they were easy slams) and can’t finish (how many blown layups between those two?)

Adrien can grab rebounds for sure. But he can’t, and will never, score because he has no manual dexterity.

Gadzuric brings good energy and decent defense in the paint. but same as adrien, hands of stone and no finishing ability.

So, not only do the W’s lose offense from their positions when starting, but they hamper Curry getting off to a decent start as well because they aren’t able to convert his passes into points.

I think Curry has been hurt dramatically by Lee’s absence.

If they started Carney, the team would have better flow, get off to a faster start and THEN they can bring in Gadz or Adrien as Defensive subs.

by joegiant on Nov 24, 2010 3:49 PM PST reply actions  

Well, Carney gives you a better scoring rate on better shooting than Adrien. Adrien gives you more assists, more blocks, more rebounds, fewer turnovers, a wash on steals, and a bit more foul.

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by Rasputin10 on Nov 24, 2010 4:33 PM PST up reply actions  

Am I watching the same games?

Assists are nice from the 4, but let’s be clear — job 1 is rebound, job 2 is SCORE. Missing point blank layups is more harmful than having low assist or steals numbers from that position.

I haven’t seen someone with that bad hands/scoring touch in a VERRY long time. certainly not in the nellie era.

Even Larry Smith could finish lay ups.

by joegiant on Nov 24, 2010 4:41 PM PST up reply actions  

Job 1 is rebound

and if that was the only consideration, either Gadz or Adrien would be a better choice than Carney. By far. Our typical opening pattern is to start cold – rebounding, steals, assists and fewer turnovers do more to help the team than providing a better fifth scoring option on the floor. I say fifth, because you do want to establish Dre early if you can. Carney’s increased attempt rate comes at the expense of better shooters not getting shots, and with Adrien we at least don’t have that issue, either.

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by Rasputin10 on Nov 24, 2010 5:29 PM PST up reply actions  

I prefer him coming off the bench.

He brings much needed energy off the bench since Reggie hasn’t been doing that this season…. I like Gad in the starting 5 with Lee out. He’s big and he gives 100% every time hes on the court. Man I wish BWright was playing, he’d really get a good shot to prove himself.

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by Potential on Nov 24, 2010 3:52 PM PST reply actions  

Carney is not a good player.

He doesn’t score well. He doesn’t rebound well (inadequate for a 3, horrible for a 4, where he’s played half his minutes so far). He turns the ball over more than he generates turnovers.

He plays with a nice energy, but I think we’re a bit spoiled – the energy, hustle wings we had in the We Believe era were either genuinely good or at least adequate for backups. Carney is BAD. The only two players on the team with worse WP48s are Vlad and Charlie Bell.

Right now we don’t really have any good options, because of the injury situation, but in the long run Carney really should be a 12th man type, not a rotation player.

by Ronaldinho on Nov 25, 2010 11:56 AM PST reply actions  

It’s amazing how the last couple seasons we’ve been privileged to experience what it’s like to see the what would be the worst players on any team play significant minutes.

by Doctor Kajita on Nov 26, 2010 10:03 AM PST up reply actions  

Agreed

He’s the same guy he was in college; great athlete/decent three point shooter, but nothing else. I’m surprised he gets as many minutes as he does, just goes to show how weak our rotation is.

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by Tom Huddlestone on Nov 26, 2010 3:45 PM PST up reply actions  

The reason why Carney isnt a starter for this team because he would rather

shoot threes than use his athleticsm to get to the basket.

Anthony Randolph was the same. He shot jumpshots last season instead of driving to the hole

by Spreefor3!!! on Nov 26, 2010 9:41 PM PST reply actions  

Heh, I even compared Carney to AR after his first few games.

Lots of athleticism, but that much between the ears yet.

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by Badly Browned on Nov 28, 2010 9:15 AM PST up reply actions  

never compared their talent

Just saying they are similar in that they both players who simply try to rely on their athleticism.

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by Badly Browned on Nov 29, 2010 10:32 PM PST up reply actions  

Just because D. Wright is 6'9...

does not mean he can guard PF. He also weighs about 210 lbs. He has a frame like that of Stephen Jackson and I don’t see D. Wright stopping any PF or help the rebounding cause either. Better to start Adrian for now.

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by Ro3ert0 on Nov 29, 2010 8:56 PM PST reply actions  

D Wright

His calves are about as thick as my wrists. I’ve seen them up close. He’s not guarding power forwards with that body.

by lilboots on Nov 29, 2010 10:57 PM PST up reply actions  

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