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RECAP: Golden State Warriors 97, Detroit Pistons 102 - Sigh...

 


Well, that's that folks.  Any hope/confidence that you had in this season can officially be thrown out the window.  We lost to the PISTONS.  THE FRIGGIN' PISTONS!

When you hear a coach say

"It’s done," [Kuester] said. "We’ve moved on."

About his turmoil with a player, he's either

A - Lying to the cameras to make the situation look better than it really is

or

B - Telling the truth about his relationship with said player, and said player is about to come back and tear it up.


Unfortunately for us, it was option B.

Star-divide

Look, I'm all for giving credit when credit is due, but a loss to THIS Pistons team should not happen.  Forget both team's records - it's pretty clear that we have the advantage in every position except maybe the bench

I can excuse the early sloppy  play, but I can't excuse silly substitutions.  Why in the world is this guy

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Playing at all?  And why do I feel like we're going to be asking ourselves that the rest of the season. 

This game is a classic case of a decent team (that might be the last time I use that this season) playing down to its competition and not to where it should be.  For the Warriors to even establish themselves in the top 10 in the West, they're going to have to win games that they should win!  THIS WAS A GAME THEY SHOULD HAVE WON!


It's easy in a loss to find a scapegoat (as we have done every year for the last...too many), but let's not do that today.  Let's just say

  • Coach Keith Smart needs to be able to coach these guys properly on the road.  This might be one of those "get a spark with the new coach but go back to old habits" scenarios.  I like what Coach Smart is doing, but it's not going to last long if there are losses like these.  
  • Vlad Rad - I think we all might feel the same on this.
  • Biedrins - needs to play more?  Man, that's weird to say after last year.
  • We need to play better on the road.
The fun continues tonight against the Raptors - another 1-5 team that SHOULD be handled.  Time to stay positive and do what's supposed to be done. 

 


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This is an easy one - David Lee.  Not necessarily for his performance (5-11 shooting, 11 points, 7 boards) but for his attitude.  

I always enjoy reading his post game quotes - they demonstrate why we brought him in. 

 

“We need to start to establish that identity on the road,” said forward David Lee, who had 11 points and seven rebounds. “We need to find a way and we just had too many careless mistakes. It seems like each guy out on the floor tonight made one careless mistake or so that led to an easy bucket by them or led to a missed opportunity for us.

“We need to forget this one and go into Toronto and get a victory.”

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FYI R Dizzle

The header says Utah Jazz 102 & not Detroit Pistons.

Back to read the recap now. lol

by jpgarfunkle on Nov 8, 2010 7:12 AM PST reply actions  

Ooooops

Fixed. I was still stuck off the Jazz game I guess.

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by R Dizzle on Nov 8, 2010 7:21 AM PST up reply actions  

Maybe this is the slap in the face we needed

I said it in a fanshot, I would be ecstatic if the Warriors even sniffed close to .400 on the road this season, which puts us about 16-17 wins on the road. Heck, OKC lost to the Clips in LA earlier in the season. You can’t mess around and expect to win on the road.

Despite how poor both our offense and (4th qtr) defense was tonight, we still managed to be in a position to win tonight. The scapegoating is really getting out of hand, imo. Hamilton and Stuckey killed us last night, was Vlad the one guarding those two? We win as a team, and we lose as a team. What worries me is that our offense has yet to click this season. It surprised me how we managed to win against Memphis and Utah without any real offense, but last night it finally bit us in the rear. Lee really needs to find his offensive game, and we need to attack the rim more. We settle for too many jumpers.

Obviously, the bench is something to worry about, and something people are beating to death right now. Also, WTF was with the turnovers under the basket. Vlad had a terrible looking one yes, but even Beans had one himself.

In closing, god I hope Lou gets better soon. Hopefully, Lin gets the chance soon as well, we desperately need someone not named Curry who can handle the point.

The San Francisco 49ers, inventing new ways to lose every week!

by Badly Browned on Nov 8, 2010 7:21 AM PST reply actions  

it's alright.

It’s just another loss. The important thing is they forget that game and be focused for the next against the Raptors (right?). They should not look at this loss a a back breaker.

Hey, the Celtics lost to the Cavs and won 5 straight. The Warriors can forget that game and lets focus on the next.

by Yoki R on Nov 8, 2010 7:47 AM PST reply actions  

True, but Warriors Nation don’t have the Celtics’ recent history of success to calm our nerves. At the back of every Ws fan’s mind lurks the evil specter that, for all our surface improvements, we may actually still be a crappy team. A loss like this causes that specter to stir.

There will be no extra point!

by Sleepy Freud on Nov 8, 2010 8:51 AM PST up reply actions   2 recs

totally

Plus, the last time we got off to a start like this was our last owners inaugural season. And the start of the ‘94 season was even better than this year’s.
I really need to quit thinking about that.

by Uwe Blog on Nov 8, 2010 9:51 AM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Imo

I don’t understand the hate on Smart based on his rotations so far. One person did not lose this game. If anything, Rip Hamilton and our inability to defend him did. Smart is still looking at combinations and figuring out who compliments each other. It’s not like we had a hot hand to ride. Also, Detroit is better than their record. Stuckey, Rip, Gordon and Villanueva are legitimate weapons. They were the better team yesterday

by bayareaballa on Nov 8, 2010 7:54 AM PST via mobile reply actions  

Only gripe I have with Smart

Is trying to match up with Detroit’s small ball in the 4th. Rebounding is our biggest strength right now. Why give in to small ball?

The San Francisco 49ers, inventing new ways to lose every week!

by Badly Browned on Nov 8, 2010 8:01 AM PST up reply actions  

Good point, I didn’t agree with that decision either. I would have liked to see more pick and roll, it seemed to be effective

by bayareaballa on Nov 8, 2010 9:33 AM PST via mobile up reply actions  

I think it might have been because they were hitting their shots with the small lineup

So perhaps Smart felt he was forced to react to the smaller lineup and give up some rebounding ability and guard the perimeter and not give them easy perimeter shots.

by IQofaWarrior on Nov 8, 2010 9:43 AM PST up reply actions  

Totally agree

I had to put up with his inconsistency when he was up in Seattle and I just hated to see him play. I’m sure he was out there to space the floor for us on offense, but I didn’t see that working and didn’t understand why in remained in the game.

A Sonics fan without a team... but after 7 seasons now of GS Warriors season tickets have convinced me to adopt the boys from Oakland.

by mcwalter44 on Nov 8, 2010 11:05 AM PST up reply actions  

Agreed on Vlad @ the 5.

Would rather see Lee at the 5 than Vlad.

by srsrs on Nov 8, 2010 12:11 PM PST up reply actions  

seems to me that most of the good teams stick with their regular line-up

And force opposing teams to adjuts to them. This issue was at the core of Nellie’s success and failure. Sure, he might identify a mis-match or two, but most mis-matches are two-sided.

Same thing here..ok sure, your Center can’t cover VladRad outside. But Vlad is also pretty worthless on the other end. And now we don’t have a shot blocker on the floor either

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by Duby Dub Dubs on Nov 8, 2010 10:57 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Is that why Vlad gets to play, because he compliments people a lot?

But seriously, there’s lots and lots of evidence Vlad isn’t a good player. He’s been doing it for years.

by Missing Barry on Nov 8, 2010 9:20 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Maybe Vlad compliments Smart and that’s why he keeps playing him. Kissing up to the boss is a time honored tradition in most endeavors.

by jae on Nov 8, 2010 9:27 AM PST up reply actions  

Complimenting the most important Warrior.

lol … Vlad just might be complimenting Smart the most by kissing * like you say. He’s definitely one of the favored players when it comes floor time.

by srsrs on Nov 8, 2010 12:13 PM PST up reply actions  

A Sonics fan without a team... but after 7 seasons now of GS Warriors season tickets have convinced me to adopt the boys from Oakland.

by mcwalter44 on Nov 8, 2010 11:08 AM PST up reply actions  

I expected Stuckey to have a great game

Given his benching prior to this game I thought his insertion into the starting lineup was an audition for a trade to the Warriors. I’d take him. Riley, go for it.

by breaker on Nov 8, 2010 8:13 AM PST reply actions  

Take him to replace who…?

by Missing Barry on Nov 8, 2010 9:20 AM PST up reply actions  

Reggie, BWright...

expirings, draft picks. Depends on how deep a doghouse Stuckey is (was?) in Detroit. I include Reggie Williams in this discussion as it is clear that he’s not being used by Smart as he was last year and so far has not been near as valuable to the team.

by breaker on Nov 8, 2010 10:12 AM PST up reply actions  

So basically you’re advocating we trade for him so he can be a backup? I would think he’d have a lot more value to a team that sees him as a starter than a team that only wants him as a backup….

And I don’t see any reason to trade Brandan unless it involves either getting a worthwhile big man back, or including him in a package to get a pretty good player (like how we included Randolph to get David Lee)….

by Missing Barry on Nov 8, 2010 10:15 AM PST up reply actions  

I would think he’d have a lot more value to a team that sees him as a starter than a team that only wants him as a backup….

Stuckey should be a backup. In his career he’s shown himself to be a fairly lousy shooter with limited range, a pedestrian passer for a point guard who does nothing particularly well. I certainly hope that the Warriors aren’t fooled into thinking that his performance against them, one that was well above what he normally does, would somehow signify something he could do regularly. Mark Portugal syndrome doesn’t tend to yield positive results.

by jae on Nov 8, 2010 10:18 AM PST up reply actions  

Rec'd, pretty much covered it there Barry.

Every time Vlad gets the ball in the corner I cringe so hard that my wife while passing by stops to confirm that I am not having a heart attack.

by Only In Fairfax on Nov 8, 2010 10:05 AM PST up reply actions  

Hahaha...

I used to do this when he played for the Sonics back when he had “potential.” Now he just is what he is… that being a 6’10" gunner who occasionally plays a decent game on offense and is a complete liability on defense.

A Sonics fan without a team... but after 7 seasons now of GS Warriors season tickets have convinced me to adopt the boys from Oakland.

by mcwalter44 on Nov 8, 2010 11:13 AM PST up reply actions  

i totally agree with the mass bench player usage.. why not slip em in one at a time...

start fairly early with one sub.. then go back the starter and put in another sub.. and so on… ya it makes no sense to have 4 bench scrubs and one starter in … $ &$ #^#!
and seeing monta play 44 mins in a LOSS is really really depressing…… not smart at all… and yes the other 4 starters should be totally eating up some of the points.. monta as a scoring leader in the nba is NOT good… not good… carney and bell need to take only lay ups , wide open ones at that..

by PIRATEWARRIOR on Nov 8, 2010 10:30 AM PST up reply actions  

and seeing monta play 44 mins in a LOSS is really really depressing…… not smart at all… and yes the other 4 starters should be totally eating up some of the points.. monta as a scoring leader in the nba is NOT good… not good… carney and bell need to take only lay ups , wide open ones at that..

We were in the game right until Curry’s miss in the last 15 seconds seconds. Monta is our best player right now, Curry and Lee need to step it up more, though I understand since Curry has been playing injured since the start of the season. Not sure why one should have a beef with this.

The San Francisco 49ers, inventing new ways to lose every week!

by Badly Browned on Nov 8, 2010 10:39 AM PST up reply actions  

Curry should have passed on that last shot

His ankle’s messed up, and he was flanked with DWright and Williams, both open.

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by Duby Dub Dubs on Nov 8, 2010 11:04 AM PST up reply actions  

Hindsight

Curry had a good look, the defender gave him a ton of room.

The San Francisco 49ers, inventing new ways to lose every week!

by Badly Browned on Nov 8, 2010 11:13 AM PST up reply actions  

I liked it, we know Curry can shoot extremely well, so I won’t complain about any good look he gets from 3. I figure the best we could possibly do is a very small higher percentage shot, so oh well. I also thought the announcers said it was Williams and Monta?

Oh – another frustration. I’m already getting sick of Fitz and Barnett. Mostly Fitz. I did think it was hilarious when Fitz said that veteran refs don’t look at the restricted zone line at all, though, and when he asked Barnett, Barnett just ignored it and didn’t say anything (because it was a stupid thing to say)….

by Missing Barry on Nov 8, 2010 11:18 AM PST up reply actions  

Poor Barnett

You can tell he is not comfortable sitting next to Bob. Fitz is just awkward. I’m so over him…

by olympicmike on Nov 8, 2010 12:36 PM PST up reply actions  

Fitz is an idot

Keep in mind that his job is to sell the fan on how great the Warriors are. If there is any positive light Fitz is supposed to harp on it and drive it into your brain. These are not exact quotes but his job is to say stuff like “Isn’t it great to see Vlad have a comeback game” and “Charlie Bell is a dangerous shooter from beyond the arc” and "Mike Dunleavy is the Savior the Warriors are looking for.

He is just doing his job, but he is also an idiot.

by Underhand Free-throw on Nov 8, 2010 2:51 PM PST up reply actions  

Yep, it’s a combination, but I would really much rather have announcers who aren’t as dedicated to the “salesman” part of the job, and are more dedicated to the “being a quality broadcaster” portion of things.

by Missing Barry on Nov 8, 2010 2:53 PM PST up reply actions  

I'd rather Curry take that 3

Than Reggie or Wright.. He was in rhythm and it just missed

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by Potential on Nov 8, 2010 12:30 PM PST up reply actions  

Curry

Curry is actually the one who is trying to do too much. It looks like he is the one regressing.

by illmaticwarrior on Nov 8, 2010 10:35 AM PST up reply actions  

Because of one bad shooting game? He still has over a 58% TS% on the year…

by Missing Barry on Nov 8, 2010 10:42 AM PST up reply actions  

.582 TS, 20.0 pts / 8.2 ast / 1.7 stl / 3.9 tov (per 36).

Not terrible for a guy on a gimpy ankle. Rebounding is down, possibly due to the ankle thing, more likely just a SSS error. (I’m too worried, since he was pulling 6-7 per game in the preseason, and has on several occasions talked about his commitment on the glass).

I think Monta has played better through the first six games, but I don’t see much “regressing” from Steph. And it probably bears repeating, lest any of us feel tempted to perpetuate this tired “competition”: Monta and Steph’s performances are not zero sum.

There will be no extra point!

by Sleepy Freud on Nov 8, 2010 12:18 PM PST up reply actions  

And just so we’re all clear, I’m not down on what Monta’s done so far or anything. He’s been excellent. I just don’t think he can keep that kind of performance up, and eventually some of the load he’s carrying will need to transition over to others, with the most obvious candidate for taking on a bigger load than he has thus far being Lee. I re-read my comment and it might have come across harsher on Monta than intended – definite praise for what he’s done, my worries are just about what he’ll do going forward if tries to keep doing as much as he has so far.

by Missing Barry on Nov 8, 2010 1:28 PM PST up reply actions  

when people say Monta is regressing to the mean, they mean he’s turning into the low-efficiency chucker that he was last year. Curry’s mean established last year is a high efficiency, elite 3 point shooter who can rebound is position very well and has some turnover problems.

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by Reverend_Randy on Nov 8, 2010 2:37 PM PST up reply actions  

Great post MB

I feel like we’ve been seeing these games the same way. I’m working on an early trends and observations article about the team as a whole, and you touched on a lot of the things that have been sticking out to me. I’ve been trying to give everyone the benefit of the doubt as long as possible, but it’s getting to the point where it’s fair to start pointing this stuff out, despite the good record so far.

by olympicmike on Nov 8, 2010 12:44 PM PST up reply actions  

Ah, forgot about CUrry's injury

And it was 4 games we had that lineup btw.

The San Francisco 49ers, inventing new ways to lose every week!

by Badly Browned on Nov 8, 2010 10:19 AM PST up reply actions  

it’s 3 games total for us, right now which is why I haven’t been citing it. But go ahead, do the split for 5-player, GSW and then you can tell us what the second most productive 5 on the team is, too :)

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by Rasputin10 on Nov 8, 2010 10:24 AM PST up reply actions  

Hmm

Assumed it was up to date.

Anyways, basically confirms what some of us were saying in the offseason. Our starting 5 is legit, but how much bench production did we give up putting together this starting 5?

The San Francisco 49ers, inventing new ways to lose every week!

by Badly Browned on Nov 8, 2010 10:28 AM PST up reply actions  

I’d give up bench production for a more productive starting lineup any day. Years of a team that was deep, largely because the lineup was comprised of 1 or 2 players who could legitimately start on a team that didn’t suck in a 9 man rotation with 7 guys who should be the second or third man off the bench did little for us.

MB did correctly identify part of the problem. We don’t have much depth (this should get better when Amundson comes back) but Smart’s insistence on playing most of the second unit as a unit really compounds the problem. Spelling one or two starters at a time is a better strategy than what Smart is doing.

by jae on Nov 8, 2010 10:40 AM PST up reply actions  

I distinctly remember one shot from last night of Lee and Biedrins next to each other on the bench. I wish I had a photo of that – very symbolic of a failed strategy. At least one of them should be in the game at all times.

by Missing Barry on Nov 8, 2010 10:46 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Lee + Beans on bench is not good.

Total agreement here. Lee & Beans should not be on the bench together for long stretches unless the Warriors on floor are just having a great run & Smart wants to keep riding the hot hands.

by srsrs on Nov 8, 2010 12:18 PM PST up reply actions  

I don’t even think there’s an “unless” here. One of them needs to be in.

by Missing Barry on Nov 8, 2010 1:29 PM PST up reply actions  

What BB avoided mentioning

 is that our second most productive 5 after those 3 games was Lin/Williams/Wright/Wright/Biedrins. Flukey, I know.

I honestly think it’s too early to tell how deep the bench really is. It’s not too early to say that up to this point, we are more affected by Smart’s perception of it than by the reality, no matter what it may be.

Baseball is a chamber orchestra. Football is a marching band. Basketball is a modern quintet. jazz, rock, hiphop, pop/ all about the beat./ still my revolution not/ til you dance through it.

by Rasputin10 on Nov 8, 2010 10:58 AM PST up reply actions  

Prior posting leads to be believe you want to contort this to something about how Lin needs to see more time

I see that more as we have 2 starters out there with Wright, Williams, and Lin. Sort of showing how Smart’s use of playing the whole second unit as a problem.

The San Francisco 49ers, inventing new ways to lose every week!

by Badly Browned on Nov 8, 2010 11:22 AM PST up reply actions  

Grr, hit enter before I wanted to.

Wanted to say it goes along with what Jae was saying about how Smart is putting out the entire second team as a unit.

The San Francisco 49ers, inventing new ways to lose every week!

by Badly Browned on Nov 8, 2010 11:23 AM PST up reply actions  

Actually, so do I. The key is which starters – and Biedrins should be one whenever possible. The other thing to note is that Biedrins + Brandan can be effective on the floor together.

That Lin pops up all the time in these is pretty annoying, and sometimes distracting. Since Smart doesn’t want to play him, I’d like to see newer more complete numbers to make the same points.

Baseball is a chamber orchestra. Football is a marching band. Basketball is a modern quintet. jazz, rock, hiphop, pop/ all about the beat./ still my revolution not/ til you dance through it.

by Rasputin10 on Nov 8, 2010 11:32 AM PST up reply actions  

Ha

Except I think Smart actually does adjust. Recall Smart putting Monta on Stuckey (though maybe a bit late) or how we started attacking the basket more instead of shooting jumpers against Utah?

Singletary talks it, but game in and game out it’s the same ole’ game plan.

The San Francisco 49ers, inventing new ways to lose every week!

by Badly Browned on Nov 8, 2010 10:49 AM PST up reply actions  

Yeah...

That happens sometimes, but it seems to happen to you more than most. You might want to file a bug report with SBN, to let them know what browser you are using and stuff like that so they can try to fix the problem. It’s no big deal though. Thanks.

by olympicmike on Nov 9, 2010 12:15 AM PST up reply actions  

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