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Recap #23: Golden State Warriors 84, Miami Heat 106 :: Poster Night; It was a Great, um, Time Out

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I predicted wrong. It was Poster Night, not Poster Day. The Warriors lost by 22, not 30. Ekpe Udoh barely got playing time in his "debut". But after a game like this, you can't help but feel like the Warriors are stuck on Groundhog Day. The Warriors are too skinny, can't play defense, take bad shots, have no system, rely on emotion, and have some glaring injuries.

It's time to wonder: Doesn't this pattern look familiar? Is Tim Kawakami right? Do the Warriors need to clean house?

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I'm going to focus more on the overall team issues as a result of performances in this game, but the first half ended with the Heat up just 48-45. The Heat were definitely not into the game yet, while the Warriors seemed to play frenetically, sloppily, yet with some sense of urgency. There were a lot of transition buckets and LeBron James was starting his highlight collection.

In the third quarter the Warriors were outscored 36-20 as the LeBron and Dwyane Wade show erupted. The Warriors' thin front line was becoming a glaring weakness. Both LeBron and Wade ended with near-triple-doubles. LeBron didn't even play the entire 4th quarter.

Warriors Backcourt

With Carlos Arroyo guarding him, Reggie Williams came out and had a pretty decent game, especially with an early fastbreak flush that he was quick to get through the rim as the break was quickly becoming 1-on-2. Later in the game, on a David Lee miss that was swatted which Lee was able to track down and save from going out of bounds with a flip to Reggie, Reggie nailed a deep right elbow trey at the shotclock buzzer. However, after the replay, the trey was negated.

Monta Ellis had his share of nice drives to the hoop, including a first half dunk in the lane via David Lee feed, but ended with just 20 points. Wade went down on the first possession of the game, getting elbowed in the head inadvertently during a pick by Andris Biedrins, so Monta saw himself guarded by LeBron for a bit. I think Monta should have ball-hogged tonight, as it was apparent that the frontline wasn't getting it done.

Acie Law came off the bench and played pretty well. He was able to get into the paint a couple times. Nothing spectacular, but spectacular is not what's needed in the backup role. Just no turnovers, solid passes, and solid defense. He looked pretty confident, as well he should be given the fact that he came back to an NBA contract in a familiar city with an implied plea for help.

Jeremy Lin got some garbage time late, and Bill Simmons called him, "American's favorite garbage time player."

Warriors Frontcourt

Dorell Wright started off the game like he wanted to prove to the Heat that they made a mistake in letting him go or not giving him free reign last year. He was hitting treys and even almost had a putback dunk, which he offensive-boarded and later got an open three-pointer in the same possession. Late in the game when Keith Smart switched to a desperation zone, Wright found himself posted up on by Chris Bosh, and Bosh was able to power the ball by him. Wright would later take some ill-advised early treys and, of course, had his requisite Wade-wanna-be upfake and futile attempt to draw contact and free throws. I'm so getting sick of that move.

From the opening tip, Biedrins wasn't into it. He just played bad. Had a few good finishes from nice dimes such as via Monta, but that was about it. No relentless hustle. Actually, it's kind of alarming.

David Lee. Poor David Lee. I mean, you can really see him hurting out there. The tidbit about his elbow still bleeding, that's simply just gross, and I'm trying to be empathetic. He's clearly not himself. He hit a couple shots, but other shots weren't going in. Instead of putbacks left and right, it was only an occasional putback.

Lou Amundson played okay. Not quite beasting as he once did as a member of the Warriors Summer League team a few years ago. He may still be hurting as well, perhaps a little tentative.

Dan Gadzuric and Vladimir Radmanovich were non-factors, as expected, although Gadzuric looked like he came with some energy. Udoh didn't come in until it was garbage time, but he did score his first NBA bucket. He's probably not 100% healthy, either.

In case you missed it, here are the highlights.

Heat Prognosis

There's nothing like LeBron and/or Wade on a fastbreak. Just a thing of beauty. Oracle fans got their money's worth in that department. Towards the end of the third quarter, LeBron got hot and was in the zone, swishing three treys from various points on the court. The only one he missed was the one at the buzzer and a little further out and off balance than the others.

Meanwhile, Wade was getting to the paint with ease. On one play, he split Monta up top and the right wing on the Warriors 3-2 zone, a left-handed hesitation drive with the dip of the shoulder. Then with David Lee as the next line of defense, he faded back and hit a bankshot gracefully. He made it look so easy.

Bosh came out, as he does, flat-footed and a bit slow-handed, while bricking his usual near-automatic midrangers. But in the second half, those J's started dropping and he was able to get to the rim a couple times on power dribbles.

Arroyo was hitting his open jumpers, although still the weak link for the Heat defense. And Mario Chalmers played decent. Zydrunas Ilgauskas was quiet. Juwan Howard didn't do too much but collected a flagrant one on Amundson. Joel Anthony got some garbage time.

Finally, Erick Dampier. The Warriors crowd booed him (along with LeBron, in contrast to starting lineup cheers for Wade). At the end of the first half in the ESPN Studios, Jon Barry said that Dampier was a factor for the Warriors in that he came in when the Heat were leading and left with the game with the score real close. Dampier was missing a lot of inside shots. His game was quite ugly this night. And yet, he was getting his hands on the ball deep. He's getting there.

I'm not sure there's much to glean from this game for either side. It was just one of those display-of-talent games. One of those games that NCAA enthusiasts point to as what's wrong with the NBA: not much teamwork, somewhat devoid of a system, and lacking in many areas of fundamentals. LeBron got called for cradling the ball up top and Wade had his usual handful of unforced errors.

Clean house?

It's starting to get "same old same old" for the Warriors, as in same frustrations, same aura as the past X-teen number of years (excluding We Believe). Everyone's hurt to some degree and due to salary issues and roster handcuffs (read: Jeremy Lin, Charlie Bell), the Warriors just cut their meatiest player, Jeff Adrien. There really are no short-term solutions right now. Udoh just played in his first game, Amundson is basically playing his pre-season in the regular season, and D.Lee is seemingly 80% or so.

So it begs the question. Is this just a stretch that all injured NBA squads go through, or is it a disease that the franchise needs to get rid of? Even the We Believe team was severely lacking in muscle.

Owner Joe Lacob said at the Owner's Luncheon that, like the Celtics, he prefers a big frontline with girth. If that's the intention, does it happen piecemeal or in clean house manner? Many people are pointing to Smart. But can another coach change the results of this unit, or is the roster just filled with too many "soft" ticky-tack-fouling types?

Let's face it. It's a very difficult turn-around job ahead. What do you think? 

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Should Lacob clean house?
Yes, get us out of Groundhog Day
237 votes
Wait at least until Feb after Udoh gets more burn
125 votes
No, got to do this more carefully, got assets, can tweak
264 votes
Some other option I am putting in the Comments
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CleanHouse: Thats a no-no!

I mean come on, we have had the toughest schedule in the NBA through the first 24 games or so, we have to be patient with Keith Smart and this club.. I want to see them all healthy for once and that includes B-Wright. Like you said Lee is not 100% yet and we can see that in the way he is playing, he isn’t be as aggressive on the boards. IF we are going to trade anyone I hope its Andris, I really do like him,but he isn’t a factor on offense and never will be!

by GSdubsfan41 on Dec 11, 2010 1:48 AM PST reply actions  

Agreed.

Plus I found this comment interesting.

I think Monta should have ball-hogged tonight, as it was apparent that the frontline wasn’t getting it done.

by Only In Fairfax on Dec 11, 2010 9:40 AM PST up reply actions  

Didnt mean to post the above before I added this comment.

Odd that a GSOM crew member would suggest this after all the Monta bashing this year due to Monta’s similiar take on the situation last year which resulted his attempts to take on the scoring by himself. Hmmmmm

by Only In Fairfax on Dec 11, 2010 9:45 AM PST up reply actions  

We'd still lose

"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."

by kenntoe on Dec 11, 2010 11:04 AM PST up reply actions  

But not get blown out in the 2nd half

I agree he should have shot more, around 2-25 shots I think

‎"There is nothing like a wise phrase or quote to help convince others that your decision makes sense." - Anon

"If you're ever in a fair fight, then your tactics suck." ಠ_ಠ

by dubzfan on Dec 11, 2010 2:51 PM PST up reply actions  

His shooting wasn’t good last night.

I'll sell this vacant lot and settle down in a place I've only read about in books about Miles Davis.

by Reverend_Randy on Dec 11, 2010 4:32 PM PST up reply actions  

Better than most

I’d rather let him chuck than watch Beans try and make a post move or let DW shoot as much as him

‎"There is nothing like a wise phrase or quote to help convince others that your decision makes sense." - Anon

"If you're ever in a fair fight, then your tactics suck." ಠ_ಠ

by dubzfan on Dec 11, 2010 4:40 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, his was merely mediocre

others were Jennings-esque. Our highest scoring efficiencies came from bench non-scorers like Gadz.

I'll sell this vacant lot and settle down in a place I've only read about in books about Miles Davis.

by Reverend_Randy on Dec 11, 2010 5:24 PM PST up reply actions  

Ironically, I was thinking Biedrins would be one of three players we should definitely keep. Every time I see a big white guy playing good defense, it’s Biedrins. It’s never Lee.

And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who would attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know my name is Monta Ellis when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

by Naticus on Dec 12, 2010 5:21 PM PST up reply actions  

Do you mean to say you don’t remember those 3 times Lee blocked an opponents shot?! And yes, that is the same number of times Monta Ellis has blocked a shot this year, and less than half of the number of blocks Curry has…

by Missing Barry on Dec 12, 2010 6:38 PM PST up reply actions  

Andris has less than a block per game this year too… We’re 25th in the league in bpg… Guess that’s what happens without Turiaf and to a lesser extent Randolph.

by samuraaaaiiiiiii on Dec 12, 2010 8:54 PM PST up reply actions  

Well, the good news is I see no reason why Biedrins shouldn’t start blocking more shots going forward, it’s still very SSS for him and we know he used to be able to do it adequately. In addition to that, having Amudson and Udoh should help, and hopefully Wright will come back at some point…

by Missing Barry on Dec 12, 2010 9:19 PM PST up reply actions  

Way too early to clean house...

On the players anyway. Start with Rowell!!!

"Go ahead. Make my day."

by callahan on Dec 11, 2010 2:25 AM PST reply actions  

Why Kerr?

I would love Pritchard or anyone from spurs organization. Sam Presti in OKC is an example. They got best front office in NBA

by tafkasam on Dec 11, 2010 1:21 PM PST up reply actions  

I would like either Kerr or Pritchard

Pritchard came into a mess in Portland and quickly turned it around. Kerr made a number of big moves and had his team in the Western Conference Finals last year. Warriors haven’t made Western Conference Finals in 35 years. Riley’s biggest front office accomplishment was over looking scouting for Vancouver before this job.

This team needs a top notch GM to hire a top notch coach. Lacob also said he took away some of Rowell’s power but I still seem him in the same spot in the tunnel during every game just like when Cohan owned the team.

by Mullin4HOF on Dec 11, 2010 5:27 PM PST up reply actions  

Gadzuric

Personally I think he should get more than 5 minutes. What are we getting from Biedrins? DG plays with energy at least

by w.a.s.p. on Dec 11, 2010 6:03 AM PST reply actions  

certainly seems like it..

and then he takes the shot from just beyond the freee throw and i CRINGE only to see it go in sometimes.. i jjusut cant get the image of some ugly bricks from him at that range. but he seems to hit it alright..

by PIRATEWARRIOR on Dec 11, 2010 10:18 AM PST up reply actions  

Really, you didn't see where Gadz bobbled like 5 straight passes?

He’s got rocks in the way of hands.

"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."

by kenntoe on Dec 11, 2010 11:06 AM PST up reply actions  

Clean house? I don't know

But I do know we need a legitimate back to the basket offensive bigman and guard depth.

The San Francisco 49ers, inventing new ways to lose every week!

Mike Singletary: Doing the same thing week in and week out expecting a different result.

by Badly Browned on Dec 11, 2010 8:01 AM PST reply actions  

Who needs guard depth when we’ve got Acie Law?

No relation to Matt Cain...

by Caine Black Knife on Dec 11, 2010 9:12 AM PST up reply actions  

Like I said in the fanshot

Acie Law is a band-aid at best.

The San Francisco 49ers, inventing new ways to lose every week!

Mike Singletary: Doing the same thing week in and week out expecting a different result.

by Badly Browned on Dec 11, 2010 10:14 AM PST up reply actions  

I don't think he was disagreeing with you

We need a better system, I agree with Governator, smart needs to go. I had such high hopes for him but he’s already proven to me that he’s an inept coach, it shows in every last one of our 3QC

by GrayDilla on Dec 11, 2010 10:18 AM PST via mobile up reply actions  

We need better players (or at least one star)

better coach, better trainers, better system (or find an identity).

"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."

by kenntoe on Dec 11, 2010 11:08 AM PST up reply actions  

It's hard to find back to basket bigs

Lee is pretty close to that, too bad he can’t hit a shot right now. Udoh had a nice move….. Just throwing it out there

‎"There is nothing like a wise phrase or quote to help convince others that your decision makes sense." - Anon

"If you're ever in a fair fight, then your tactics suck." ಠ_ಠ

by dubzfan on Dec 11, 2010 2:53 PM PST up reply actions  

Lee is a face up guy. He really does need his jumper to really get his offensive game back.

Udoh had a nice post move the other night, but he is not a post up guy either.

Yeah, it’s hard to find these guys. We need intelligent drafting, and will probably need to shop (perhaps shop Monta and/or Biedrins) around for said big guy.

The San Francisco 49ers, inventing new ways to lose every week!

Mike Singletary: Doing the same thing week in and week out expecting a different result.

by Badly Browned on Dec 12, 2010 10:34 AM PST up reply actions  

If we are going to salvage the season, we need to fire Smart.

I don’t see any other team in the NBA besides maybe the Heat being mismanaged like this. We need to run. Andris and Lee need pick and rolls not post ups. Lee needs isolations too. Steph needs to run the pick and roll. We need to run plays for Steph. Monta Ellis should never be handling the ball. Dorell Wright should never be creating, he’s a great spot up 3 shooter. But KEith Smart apparently doesn’t believe in any of that. He believes in posting Lee and Biedrins up, never running pick and rolls for them. Letting Monta dribble around the perimeter until there’s 3 on the 24 shot clock and we get off a contested shot.

by GovernorStephCurry on Dec 11, 2010 9:01 AM PST reply actions   1 recs

Honestly, I want to trade everyone not named Curry and Biedrins =/

by DubsFan408 on Dec 11, 2010 9:25 AM PST up reply actions  

Good price for a C that rebounds really well. He had an off night; a lot of guys do.

by DubsFan408 on Dec 11, 2010 11:08 AM PST up reply actions  

The overvaluing of players like biedrins

Is why the Warriors are where they are. In my opinion no one (Curry included) is safe from a trade. Until we get front end talent, it’s pointless….

Even someone like Carmelo (extension signed) would be an upgrade to roster. Look at Amare in NYK. Yeah they aren’t special but he has rejuvenated them, more so I am positive they will get another all star player in next year or two because of Amare.

by tafkasam on Dec 11, 2010 1:09 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

I don’t know if it will be because of Amare, or because it’s the Knicks. NYC market, history, money…in my opinion, the only more desirable teams to play for from strictly a franchise perspective are the Lakers and Celtics. We’ll also see how opinion of the Knicks changes once they start losing games. Playing 18 of your first 24 games against teams with losing records will make every team look a whole lot better than they are…

by Missing Barry on Dec 11, 2010 2:30 PM PST up reply actions  

Amar'e's getting MVP talk

but that’s because media just looks at PPG!!!! If they didn’t have someone like Fields rebounding like he is, they’d be screwed. And yeah Amar’es playing well but not that well. Honestly, the Knicks suck. Donnie Walsh is garbage. He’s going to hand over their franchise to next Isiah in Allan Houston. D’Antoni won’t play Anthony Randolph, and their only decent big is Amar’e… I hope they fail.

by GovernorStephCurry on Dec 11, 2010 2:51 PM PST up reply actions  

Our organization has been pretty much just as bad too…

by DubsFan408 on Dec 11, 2010 2:53 PM PST up reply actions  

How exactly do they suck?

They got a winning record with Amare leading the team. I remember people saying Lee was better than Stat………

‎"There is nothing like a wise phrase or quote to help convince others that your decision makes sense." - Anon

"If you're ever in a fair fight, then your tactics suck." ಠ_ಠ

by dubzfan on Dec 11, 2010 2:56 PM PST up reply actions  

Well you gotta consider the fact that Fields is making up for Amare’s rebounding, while scoring efficiently. Then there are other guys such as Wilson Chandler and especially Raymond Felton who have made huge contributions to that team’s success. So if Lee produced the way he did last season again as a Knick, then I can see how the Knicks would be just as good. Amare may dunk the ball more, but Lee rebounds and passes more (although Amare’s passing has improved this season). But for the most part, Amare has been playing well.

by DubsFan408 on Dec 11, 2010 6:49 PM PST up reply actions  

Amare's passing still sucks.

Like 2 assists to 3.7 turnovers or something like that.

by GovernorStephCurry on Dec 12, 2010 1:06 AM PST up reply actions  

18 of their 24 games thus far have been against teams with losing records. Color me unimpressed that they have a winning record right now.

by Missing Barry on Dec 12, 2010 11:27 AM PST up reply actions  

Amare commands double and triple teams

And still scores as efficiently as ever WITHOUT Nash. Credit him where it’s due, he’s up there as top 5 offensive players in NBA.

Because of his defensive deficiencies he is not a complete player. Not by a large stretch but what he does well, he does at a truly elite level. You make it sound like they’d be better if they had Biedrins or Lee instead of Amare. they would not. Though if they had one of them next to Amare they’d be awfully nice

And for the last time D’antoni doesn’t play Randolph cause he’s not good. Watch him play and tell me he doesn’t have lowest hoops IQ in NBA. Don’t care what the stats say he’s just not a good basketball player and a losing one. He’s never been on a winning team in his life. NOT EVEN HIGH SCHOOL. IMO he’s definitio of hollow stats

by tafkasam on Dec 11, 2010 3:32 PM PST up reply actions  

But

he turns the ball over a lot more.

I'll sell this vacant lot and settle down in a place I've only read about in books about Miles Davis.

by Reverend_Randy on Dec 11, 2010 4:33 PM PST up reply actions  

Haha

Did you catch his triple double last night?

36pts 10reb 11turnovers

by olympicmike on Dec 11, 2010 7:26 PM PST up reply actions  

I believe that is a Cripple Double.

I'll sell this vacant lot and settle down in a place I've only read about in books about Miles Davis.

by Reverend_Randy on Dec 11, 2010 7:52 PM PST up reply actions   2 recs

Eitherway I think Knicks will make playoffs

Because it’s the east. And that alone is a nice step for them. They are probably 2 players away from being a real contender. I still imagine they will go all chips in if CP3 or Deron demand a trade again. As good as Felton’s been… Felton + whatever to get them. And I imagine, unless that Mozgov lives up to the hype they will probably snap up one of the free agent big men (Marc Gasol being my guess as I don’t know anyone will give Oden enough money to tempt him to leave)

by tafkasam on Dec 11, 2010 3:36 PM PST up reply actions  

Well yeah, if we had a chance to get CP3 for Curry (and other players) of course I’d do it. But not a lot of star players are available at the moment.

by DubsFan408 on Dec 11, 2010 2:41 PM PST up reply actions  

Ugh, is this what I sounded like last year when I talked about Monta? If it is, I understand why people would call me a hater and be sick of me.

I'll sell this vacant lot and settle down in a place I've only read about in books about Miles Davis.

by Reverend_Randy on Dec 11, 2010 4:33 PM PST up reply actions  

i dunno a about biedrins

but i want to completely rebuild around curry and lee (wait for david to be 100%), unless we can get something incredible for lee. but curry is the only player that needs to remain a warrior

"Basketball is like war in that offensive weapons are developed first, and it always takes a while for the defense to catch up." - Red Auerbach

"These young guys are playing checkers. I'm out there playing chess." - Kobe Bryant

by steffun4tw on Dec 11, 2010 10:44 AM PST up reply actions  

Nah

I am not a Smart fan (I’ve been vocal on it) BUT we aren’t going anywhere cause of lack of depth (and injuries). Our bench is seriously bottom 3 or 4 in NBA. When Reggie Williams is your best bench player (and he’s good don’t get me wrong but compare him to other 6 men) your bench is not good. Now that we have Lou back (though you can tell his hand isn’t fully healed) and hopefully Udoh makes an impact, I atleast feel comfortable with our front court depth. But what did you expect this team to do with Lee out or banged up, no depth in front court, Curry on a sore ankle wirth NO good backups.

Seriously our bench is littered with below NBA quality 15th men (forget 12th man). We have three players whose only value is expiring contract (Actually I take it back, i don’t mind Gadzuric but you have to admit he is a guy who shouldn’t play every game… more like your 5th big who comes in situationally).

What’s frustrating is if we had good depth or Curry/Lee didn’t pick up injuries, we have probably 3 more wins which would put us at 11-12 and right in thick of it.

I have to give Smart credit for trying to establish defense and a half court set though. Ultimately this team HAS TO LEARN those things if they ever wanna progress. We are seeing the growing pains now but for the long run there will be benefits.

by tafkasam on Dec 11, 2010 1:15 PM PST up reply actions  

+1

In a transition year with a new philosophy there will be growing pains, that is just a fact. Look at when OKC sucked then took off, they went from lets just score to lets score, rebound, play defense and run a set. Were basically trying to mimic them . Eventually we’ll see the progress we want, but there is progress being made

We can’t run Nellie ball and expect to get that good

‎"There is nothing like a wise phrase or quote to help convince others that your decision makes sense." - Anon

"If you're ever in a fair fight, then your tactics suck." ಠ_ಠ

by dubzfan on Dec 11, 2010 3:04 PM PST up reply actions  

you're delusional

I just don’t get the warrior fan optimism
How much “sucking” does this team have to do before some of you finally admit that the team flat out sucks and will continue to suck until Lacob basically walks into team headquarters, tells everyone to gather around, get’s on the loudspeaker, and says, ’you’re all fired, everyone go home"

by bernardking on Dec 12, 2010 1:56 AM PST up reply actions  

You make some good points

I think there are a lot of fans and media who believe that the Warriors fans constant “optimism” is the main reason the team never gets better. The fact fans show up in big numbers at every game and cheer with very little sign of frustration towards the team leaves little incentive to get better. What’s the incentive…the fans are happy.

I do think Lacob is saving the “you’re all fired move” until season ticket renewals for next season come out. He will need that in case he can’t pull off a big trade just to let fans know he is serious about winning and changes are being made. Smart and Riley are both on last year of deals.

by Mullin4HOF on Dec 12, 2010 9:15 AM PST up reply actions  

In the last 2 seasons we’ve added Steph Curry and David Lee to our core. We never get better? I don’t see that at all.

by Missing Barry on Dec 12, 2010 11:32 AM PST up reply actions  

Two years ago the team won 29 games, last year 26 and if my math is correct this year on pace for 28 wins. I think that is about the same.

Curry was a great draft pick and Lee was basically a free agent signing that hopefully will work out. This team needs to make a Dale Davis/Speedy Claxton for Baron Davis type of trade at the deadline.

by Mullin4HOF on Dec 12, 2010 12:41 PM PST up reply actions  

To be fair

we have had the 5th hardest schedule (based on Hollinger’s SOS ranking), and it’s been the 3rd toughest over the last 10. Teams we’ve played over the last 10 games have a win% of .592. The Knicks have had the easiest schedule this year, so it’s part of the reason they look so great.

I'll sell this vacant lot and settle down in a place I've only read about in books about Miles Davis.

by Reverend_Randy on Dec 12, 2010 2:11 PM PST up reply actions  

Did you notice our injury situation the last 2 years? The word “unusual” would be a gross understatement. Not only is our injury situation better this year, but we’re also more talented. We are going to win more than 28 games this year. We are an improving team, and if you really think we’re somehow a 30 win team, you’re really underestimating us.

by Missing Barry on Dec 12, 2010 2:17 PM PST up reply actions  

How much "sucking" does this team have to do before some of you finally admit that the team flat out sucks

 But it’s sucking LESS than last year so progress is palpable.

Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.

by Skeptic con Urquell on Dec 12, 2010 10:07 AM PST up reply actions  

The optimism is because our team actually has some talent. We’re in a bad stretch no doubt, but look at the quality of the teams we’re playing. No need to be too down on the team over one tough stretch.

by Missing Barry on Dec 12, 2010 11:31 AM PST up reply actions  

Who coaches in his place?

Silas?

Lee does get the occasional iso , but Beans gets more for some unknown reason. MOnta did a really nice job as PG last night, there really isn’t a gripe on him for his game. Did a solid job. Should have shot more though.

Also he can’t really control what DW does, I remember MT2 saying in the preseason DW tries to do a bit too much, he was right.

‎"There is nothing like a wise phrase or quote to help convince others that your decision makes sense." - Anon

"If you're ever in a fair fight, then your tactics suck." ಠ_ಠ

by dubzfan on Dec 11, 2010 2:55 PM PST up reply actions  

that

is the job of the coach, not the owner

"Basketball is like war in that offensive weapons are developed first, and it always takes a while for the defense to catch up." - Red Auerbach

"These young guys are playing checkers. I'm out there playing chess." - Kobe Bryant

by steffun4tw on Dec 11, 2010 10:44 AM PST up reply actions  

Let’s also keep the long run in mind here. It might make sense to work on half court sets for the long term future of the franchise. We’re a young team, we aren’t a contender right now, so it might make sense to employ a strategy that’s not maximizing winning now because we expect it to pay off in the future…

by Missing Barry on Dec 11, 2010 2:33 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm not sure how this would pay off in the future?

Especially when it’s making the team play worse than it did last season.

by GovernorStephCurry on Dec 11, 2010 2:52 PM PST up reply actions  

You can't be a good team without having some sort of set

Think of it as an investment

‎"There is nothing like a wise phrase or quote to help convince others that your decision makes sense." - Anon

"If you're ever in a fair fight, then your tactics suck." ಠ_ಠ

by dubzfan on Dec 11, 2010 3:05 PM PST up reply actions  

Smart essentially wasted much of the training camp

trying to install a new offense with a crew of whom 3/5 played together only sporadically a single season. The sixth man, Williams, also had to start from zero. When Jackson installed the triangle(similar principles to Smart’s borrowed motion thing), he had an assistant specifically focused on it and when he went to LA brought both an assistant to teach it plus players who knew it. He had several players capable of consistently nailing open perimeter shots (GS has about 1.8, and ø inside except Ellis’ penetrations). The new offense was not developed organically in accord to the strengths of the personnel, but a notion imposed by Smart, so the inconsistency, tentative passing/execution, and turnovers should be expected. It’s combined with the overall slow-down (imposed to improve defense and rebounding) to dampen the team’s aggressiveness, so the scarce free throw opportunities should also be expected.

Music is the Healing Force of the Universe (a.ayler)

by the.monk on Dec 11, 2010 3:18 PM PST up reply actions  

Because our guys get better at executing half court sets.

by Missing Barry on Dec 12, 2010 11:33 AM PST up reply actions  

Off topic...

How do I contact the moderators? I was issued a warning for name calling, which I do not recall. I want to contest the warning. Thanks!

No relation to Matt Cain...

by Caine Black Knife on Dec 11, 2010 9:10 AM PST reply actions  

I want to contest the warning?

what if the warning don’t want to contest you?

Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.

by Skeptic con Urquell on Dec 11, 2010 10:22 AM PST up reply actions  

How do I contact the moderators?

If you (or anyone) ever have a question about moderation you can always email me. It’s at the bottom of the page. I’ll do my best to look into it.

As for this particular case it looks like you called someone a clown and told them to STFU. It’s not the end of the world or anything, but that’s not how we roll. Things can get a little tense in game threads which is understandable, just try to play well with others.

by olympicmike on Dec 12, 2010 4:39 PM PST up reply actions  

Oh now I remember...

I was frustrated because some kid was ripping on the W’s every time he commented… from now on, I’ll take the high road on my high horse, all the way to my ivory tower.

No relation to Matt Cain...

by Caine Black Knife on Dec 13, 2010 9:08 AM PST up reply actions  

Clean house for our FO and coaching staff.

You know I spit technique to the freshest freak
Gimme a call you will see results in just a week
With the soul of a LOST HAWK
Is there a heaven for a Rap Cat, let's talk

by LostHawkGSW on Dec 11, 2010 9:25 AM PST reply actions  

Re: Clean house for our FO and coaching staff.

I think they already employ people who do that.

play like a 1 man guy

by bloodsweatndonuts on Dec 12, 2010 11:17 AM PST up reply actions  

the contrast

between the Heat and the warriors was as great as the contrast between our Barnett/fitz crew and the ESPN crew. The head to head broadcast gave me a chance to really see how great Barnett/Fitz are compared to the network guys. Listening to ESPN was painful, after about 5 minutes of irrelevent chatter I just had to turn it back to see what Barnett was saying about the game..

Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.

by Skeptic con Urquell on Dec 11, 2010 10:34 AM PST reply actions  

Probably do need to clean house

Especially with Pritchard and Kerr available, but I’ve always preferred waiting until the end of the season to do changes like that. Unless they’re willing to admit this season is done and start getting ready for next year.

by ReggieFan2010 on Dec 11, 2010 10:52 AM PST reply actions  

Kerr do not want.

"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."

by kenntoe on Dec 11, 2010 11:15 AM PST up reply actions  

I can see Kerr being iffy

but it would be foolish not to at least gauge how interested Pritchard would be in taking the job.

by ReggieFan2010 on Dec 11, 2010 1:03 PM PST up reply actions  

Kerr seemed like he didn't want to continue being a GM

when he left, or at least that seems to be the case for the near future.

I'll sell this vacant lot and settle down in a place I've only read about in books about Miles Davis.

by Reverend_Randy on Dec 11, 2010 4:35 PM PST up reply actions  

Is Kerr's track-record better than Riley's?

People forget/ignore the fact that Riley spent his time prior to this off-season untangling the financial mess that Mulin and Rowell created. He’s established a decent core and has $17m expirings to play with. I don’t think he’s the problem here.

Was Pritchard responsible for drafting the 40-year-old corpse of Greg Oden,or was that after he was pushed out?

I am not a testicle.

by bloodsweatndonuts on Dec 12, 2010 11:30 AM PST up reply actions  

In just 3 measly minutes Udoh showed he had

presence, poise and more skills then we all thought. I really think coach should try starting Udoh with Lou A. That combo is clearly going to be better than Beans and Gadzooks. Udoh should have gotten way more run in this game than he got. I was a Smart supporter, but now have gone to the darkside on him. I think he forgets who he has on the bench sometimes. WTF is the point of putting in Gadz or Radman when we are down by 20 when he has Udoh to give some run too. I am now looking forward to getting a new coach with and new voice and different direction.

by OmnipotentOne on Dec 11, 2010 11:00 AM PST reply actions  

In just 3 measly minutes Udoh showed he had presence, poise and more skills then we all thought

 depends on whether that heat garbage team is as good as the assistant coach Udon tried out against?

Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.

by Skeptic con Urquell on Dec 11, 2010 11:06 AM PST up reply actions  

I really think coach should try starting Udoh with Lou A.

Amundson has even more limited offensive skills than Biedrins. He is great coming off the bench. And are you forgetting about Lee?

by Evanz on Dec 11, 2010 11:39 AM PST up reply actions  

im guessing he meant with thor as backup to udoh .. which wouldnt make sense

cuz if beans aint startin then he should definately be the next in line.. idk

by PIRATEWARRIOR on Dec 11, 2010 8:56 PM PST up reply actions  

Re: And are you forgetting about Lee?

I think he contracted a nasty strain of mediocrity from Wilson Chandler.

I am not a testicle.

by bloodsweatndonuts on Dec 12, 2010 11:34 AM PST up reply actions  

I think he contracted a nasty strain of mediocrity from Wilson Chandler.

Never dreamed that stuff is contagious, leave it to the warriors to make impossible possible. :>)

Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.

by Skeptic con Urquell on Dec 12, 2010 6:09 PM PST up reply actions  

The sad thing is Wilson Chandler is actually playing well this year. Maybe something happened on that play that caused Chandler’s ability to transfer into Lee’s body and Lee’s ability to transfer into Chandler? I think that’s as good as any other explanation…

by Missing Barry on Dec 12, 2010 6:36 PM PST up reply actions  

I think, much like Nellie with his record last year, Smart is going to keep putting heavy minutes onto his starters to rack up wins and hopefully keep his job.

by samuraaaaiiiiiii on Dec 11, 2010 12:36 PM PST up reply actions  

You're crazy

Udoh showed us nothing. He played 3 minutes against the other worst bench in the league. He split FGA and fouled someone.
Lou really isn’t a starter type player. He is that high energy type of guy that couldn’t get heavy minutes on a consistent basis. Udoh is still nothing right now.

I'll sell this vacant lot and settle down in a place I've only read about in books about Miles Davis.

by Reverend_Randy on Dec 11, 2010 4:37 PM PST up reply actions  

MISSING: DAVID LEE'S GAME

time to start studying up on the lottery picks, again, you’d think after doing this every year of my life i might start to enjoy it…..suck it Dubz, LOSING IS FOR LOSERS!!!

WARRIORS AND CLIPPERS SET THE STANDARD FOR NBA FUTILITY!!!!

Trade Sabean...

by Regulus on Dec 11, 2010 12:16 PM PST reply actions  

At least the Clippers fans get to watch Blake Griffin this season.

by ReggieFan2010 on Dec 11, 2010 1:00 PM PST up reply actions  

Clipps core>Warriors core

Atleast from my perspective Gordon, Aminu, Griffin look like excellent building blocks. Especially when you consider they are all 21 and under!

Problem is rest of there team (minus Kaman) is worse than our bench.

by tafkasam on Dec 11, 2010 1:36 PM PST up reply actions  

Don’t forget DeAndre Jordan. He’s still 22, and seems like he should compare fairly well to Biedrins. I’m actually not a huge fan of Eric Gordon, personally. Very one dimensional, though he has been scoring well this year (and that’s despite not hitting his 3’s).

by Missing Barry on Dec 11, 2010 2:37 PM PST up reply actions  

Gordon's still a bit immature

But I like his potential. Like you said he’s a flat out scorer. Did you know he’s second in in nba in FT attempts. Getting to line 8.8 times per 36.

He’s great at drawing contact and getting his shot to go.

Good shout on DeAndre Jordan. He’s really improving….

But eitherway BGriff is the man there. Guy is frightening good already. Give him 3 years… oh my

by tafkasam on Dec 11, 2010 3:01 PM PST up reply actions  

Whenever I hear DeAndre Jordan, all I can think of is missed dunks.

by samuraaaaiiiiiii on Dec 11, 2010 4:03 PM PST up reply actions  

Udoh

Already decided he’s better than Vlad and Gadzuric

by tafkasam on Dec 11, 2010 1:04 PM PST reply actions  

they whole team looks like they need a good dose of steroids

seriously, if they gave out a team skinny award, the Warriors would win hands down. they need some beef below the basket. I wish we still had Turiof. and where’s Chris Hunter?

by centerre on Dec 11, 2010 1:08 PM PST reply actions  

Where's Chris Hunter?

In the d-league…where he belongs

"Trade Radmanovic. We don’t even want nobody for you, we’ll let you go. Just get off our team".
-Mistah FAB

by Duby Dub Dubs on Dec 12, 2010 10:32 AM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Thanks But No Thanks Smart

im just wondering if monta even cares when “Smart” ,if he even does, get on him or any of the players for that fact. Coach needs to be a leader like POPS from the Spurs…he gets on all his players when they f up or are lacking…he demands 100% for all 48 minutes and he usually gets it. Im with the majority on this one clean the front office and coaching staff out GET A REAL HC,GM etc. and then trickle down and tweak the roster after. The only thing consistent for this team is the draft lottery.
PS Monta will continue to get bashed when he is the “leader” of the team and hasnt done anything to prove so

by CurrysKillinGoDubs on Dec 11, 2010 1:10 PM PST reply actions  

PS Monta will continue to get bashed when he is the "leader" of the team and hasnt done anything to prove so

?

by tafkasam on Dec 11, 2010 1:36 PM PST up reply actions  

Haha

Yeah, I’ll definitely steal that.

by olympicmike on Dec 12, 2010 4:41 PM PST up reply actions  

WTF Smart?

You put in VLADRAD OVER UDOH? must be reading coaching in the nba for idiots

by CurrysKillinGoDubs on Dec 11, 2010 1:28 PM PST reply actions  

To be fair, VladBad had his best game of the season, shooting wise

3 for 5, 7 points. On par with Monta going for 48 opening night for his standards

by tafkasam on Dec 11, 2010 1:32 PM PST up reply actions  

Udoh is coming off an injury

First game on Nat’l TV against Miami, that was expected

‎"There is nothing like a wise phrase or quote to help convince others that your decision makes sense." - Anon

"If you're ever in a fair fight, then your tactics suck." ಠ_ಠ

by dubzfan on Dec 11, 2010 3:08 PM PST up reply actions  

This game sums up all my problems with Biedrins

Theres so little fire or heart in him. He may have the random explosion, but I just haven’t seen the same guy from 2008 who had 20 straight double doubles and was everywhere.

There’s literally no reason DWade (however strong) should be pushing around your center for rebounds. Nor is there no reason he shouldn’t be able to score on Big Z and Damp, as good as they are defensively, Biedrins is so much quicker.

by tafkasam on Dec 11, 2010 1:34 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

to me its pretty simple

The only reason a player with biedrins’ offensive game (or lack of) would be a useful center to a contender is if he was some sort of defensive anchor, like Chandler. The problem is that Biedrins is probably on of the worst defensive centers in the league, especially if we take defensive rebounding out of the equation.

by krl on Dec 11, 2010 1:59 PM PST up reply actions  

I wouldn't say he's worst

But he’s definitely nowhere better than about average defensively. Nothing special, but not exactly a cancer to team defensive either.

by tafkasam on Dec 11, 2010 2:06 PM PST up reply actions  

Clearly you don’t watch the likes of Chris Kaman, Al Jefferson, or Bargnani often. Biedrins defense is fine, and honestly, I’m not sure why Tyson Chandler has this reputation of defensive anchor, or why people seem to think his defense is all that much better than Biedrins. Maybe you just need to watch him more often and then you’ll see how similar the two are? And by that I mean watch Chandler play against strong offensive C’s, rather than watch him play against the Warriors C’s?

by Missing Barry on Dec 11, 2010 2:46 PM PST up reply actions  

Cmon thats a stretch. Tyson is a much better defensive center than Biedrins. That’s not a knock on Andris but a healthy Chandler is just behind Howard really…

by tafkasam on Dec 11, 2010 3:02 PM PST up reply actions  

I don’t see Chandler as nearly that kind of defensive player, so that’s apparently where our disagreement is.

by Missing Barry on Dec 12, 2010 11:36 AM PST up reply actions  

according to 82games.com

Chandler’s “opponent PER” is 15.4, while beans’ is 21.9.. Also dallas opp. eFG% is 4% less with Chandler in the game, while the dubs opp. eFG% is actually .6% worse with Beans on the court. The reason why we are slightly better defensively when he plays is that he helps a lot with defensive rebounding.

And indeed i was thinking about the “defensive minded” centers when i was writing that.. obviously guys like Bargs are worse.

by krl on Dec 11, 2010 3:52 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

hah

Using Bargnani as a point to show Biedrins isn’t a bad defensive center is actually kind of inditing. If anything it makes Beans look worse that you have to resort to Bargnani and Jefferson lol

by tafkasam on Dec 11, 2010 3:58 PM PST up reply actions  

Wrong

Read closely
Those numbers are comparing beans to Chandler; then he says specifically that he is NOT using Bargs

"Trade Radmanovic. We don’t even want nobody for you, we’ll let you go. Just get off our team".
-Mistah FAB

by Duby Dub Dubs on Dec 12, 2010 10:34 AM PST via mobile up reply actions  

And do those numbers hold up over multiple years of data? I don’t think a quarter of a season is very meaningful for those kinds of things. I don’t remember off the top of my head, but when I looked up Chandler’s defensive +/- over multiple years, it was pretty comparable to Biedrins.

by Missing Barry on Dec 12, 2010 11:38 AM PST up reply actions  

I simply refuse to acknowledge Bargnani as a center. The world makes more sense when you view it through that filter. I highly recommend trying it.

I am not a testicle.

by bloodsweatndonuts on Dec 12, 2010 11:40 AM PST up reply actions  

I don’t really like to acknowledge him as much of anything. I’m not even sure why he goes back on defense. At least if he cherry picked every time it would force the other team to alter their strategy a bit…

by Missing Barry on Dec 12, 2010 11:47 AM PST up reply actions  

But he has a sweet jumper for a 7 footer

I could totally use him in my rec league team

by tafkasam on Dec 12, 2010 2:44 PM PST up reply actions  

The way you can take advantage of Biedrins quickness over them is with the pick and roll. For whatever reason (valid or not), it’s not a staple of our offense at the moment. We know Biedrins can run it effectively from his end, though…

by Missing Barry on Dec 11, 2010 2:42 PM PST up reply actions  

Maybe problem is Curry, Monta??

Everyone wants to annoint Curry as a “PG” and he runs pick and roll well at times but he also turns it over a lot.

Point being there’s no one on this team who approaches Baron’s passing in 2007-8.

Whats interesting is even when Jack was running team at Point forward, he ran the PnR well with biedrins.

by tafkasam on Dec 11, 2010 3:04 PM PST up reply actions  

3.2 turnovers a game isn’t that bad. It’s not great, but remember this is his second year and the season isn’t over yet.

by DubsFan408 on Dec 11, 2010 6:52 PM PST up reply actions  

He can pass? It’s not like all of his points come from shooting; the guy can drive too you know.

by DubsFan408 on Dec 11, 2010 9:31 PM PST up reply actions  

Curry and Lee

Are going nowhere, the new ownership sees them as a foundation for the future.

Everyone else though is a whole
different story.

by Anonymous1337 on Dec 11, 2010 1:37 PM PST via mobile reply actions  

I disagree

Lacob always talks about Boston Celtics. He’d unload anyone if it made team better.

by tafkasam on Dec 11, 2010 1:45 PM PST up reply actions  

Trade for Eddy Curry

"I tell him straight, 'If you're going to lead, you have to be the first to practice. You have to come in, get your work down and be prepared for practice,' " assistant coach Keith Smart said. "He needs to figure out why he is having stomach problems and he's got to watch how LeBron (James), Kobe (Bryant) and D-Wade (Dwyane Wade) work. He needs to mimic that if he wants his teammates to speak volumes about him." -Keith Smart on Motna Ellis

by ejdacanay on Dec 11, 2010 1:57 PM PST reply actions  

Poor Man's Commish said we were too skinny...

"I tell him straight, 'If you're going to lead, you have to be the first to practice. You have to come in, get your work down and be prepared for practice,' " assistant coach Keith Smart said. "He needs to figure out why he is having stomach problems and he's got to watch how LeBron (James), Kobe (Bryant) and D-Wade (Dwyane Wade) work. He needs to mimic that if he wants his teammates to speak volumes about him." -Keith Smart on Motna Ellis

by ejdacanay on Dec 11, 2010 3:18 PM PST up reply actions  

But we can have two pairs of twins on the court..

The Curry and Wright brothers.

"I tell him straight, 'If you're going to lead, you have to be the first to practice. You have to come in, get your work down and be prepared for practice,' " assistant coach Keith Smart said. "He needs to figure out why he is having stomach problems and he's got to watch how LeBron (James), Kobe (Bryant) and D-Wade (Dwyane Wade) work. He needs to mimic that if he wants his teammates to speak volumes about him." -Keith Smart on Motna Ellis

by ejdacanay on Dec 11, 2010 4:55 PM PST up reply actions  

nice

Can we find a SF who’s name is some sort of Curry-Wright mix?

by tafkasam on Dec 12, 2010 2:45 PM PST up reply actions  

I think

Lacob also likes the idea of a big three. Curry, Lee, and ????.

by Anonymous1337 on Dec 11, 2010 2:25 PM PST via mobile reply actions  

Monta

We have a big 3, okay more like a Medium 3 but still. The lack of a bench kills us and Lee should have a defensive guy next to him. Look at Boston’s big 3, you wouldn’t put KG with a average defensive center, you’d put him next to a defensive beast. Our lineup is well balanced. We have the slasher, the sharpshooter/defender, the PG, and the scoring big/rebounder. We need the defensive big, I hope it’s Udoh.

For the sake of what if’s , what if we somehow got Iggy for Beans . We’d have the PG, Slasher, Defender,rebounder and defensive big hopefully (Udoh) and have the sharpshooting 6th man. More balance

‎"There is nothing like a wise phrase or quote to help convince others that your decision makes sense." - Anon

"If you're ever in a fair fight, then your tactics suck." ಠ_ಠ

by dubzfan on Dec 11, 2010 3:36 PM PST up reply actions  

PG – Rondo/Curry (General)
SG – Ray/Monta (not the same role but still a good fit since Steph would also be the shooter)
SF – Pierce/Iggy (Defender/do it all)
PF – KG/Lee (franchise big)
C- Perkins/Udoh (defensive big)

6th – Posey/DW (Defensive sharpshooter)

‎"There is nothing like a wise phrase or quote to help convince others that your decision makes sense." - Anon

"If you're ever in a fair fight, then your tactics suck." ಠ_ಠ

by dubzfan on Dec 11, 2010 3:38 PM PST up reply actions  

Only Monta is anywhere near on par w/ his counterpart

And even then, not really cause Ray Allens shooting is HUGE. Paul Peirce and KG whip the floor with our whole roster. So does rondo (now)

by tafkasam on Dec 11, 2010 3:48 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm not saying it's as good but similar

I said they weren’t the same role since Ray isn’t really the slasher but you can see what I’m trying to say. It’d be a very balanced lineup

‎"There is nothing like a wise phrase or quote to help convince others that your decision makes sense." - Anon

"If you're ever in a fair fight, then your tactics suck." ಠ_ಠ

by dubzfan on Dec 11, 2010 5:08 PM PST up reply actions  

C- Perkins/Udoh (defensive big)


Can Udoh actually show us something before we anoint him anything? He’s skinny as hell, guys.

I'll sell this vacant lot and settle down in a place I've only read about in books about Miles Davis.

by Reverend_Randy on Dec 11, 2010 4:40 PM PST up reply actions  

Not really

He’s got some big shoulder

‎"There is nothing like a wise phrase or quote to help convince others that your decision makes sense." - Anon

"If you're ever in a fair fight, then your tactics suck." ಠ_ಠ

by dubzfan on Dec 11, 2010 4:41 PM PST up reply actions  

And a skinny body

STILL
The other part of my post matters: can he actually show us something before we talk about mixing up the starting lineup?

I'll sell this vacant lot and settle down in a place I've only read about in books about Miles Davis.

by Reverend_Randy on Dec 11, 2010 5:25 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't think he looks skinny

But I’m not disagreeing with the other part

‎"There is nothing like a wise phrase or quote to help convince others that your decision makes sense." - Anon

"If you're ever in a fair fight, then your tactics suck." ಠ_ಠ

by dubzfan on Dec 11, 2010 5:27 PM PST up reply actions  

Well actually

He has a very similar body type to Andris, but he seems much more assertive with what he has.

I could be wrong but it’s the vibe I get from udoh.

by Anonymous1337 on Dec 11, 2010 4:43 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

He's stronger thats for sure and a lot more aggressive

He said he wants to be up to 250 too

‎"There is nothing like a wise phrase or quote to help convince others that your decision makes sense." - Anon

"If you're ever in a fair fight, then your tactics suck." ಠ_ಠ

by dubzfan on Dec 11, 2010 5:08 PM PST up reply actions  

Look at Boston’s big 3, you wouldn’t put KG with a average defensive center, you’d put him next to a defensive beast.

I’m assuming you’re talking about the 07-08 season cause you included Posey, but I’m a bit lost on what you wrote. KG was very good defensively and impacted that team significantly on that end.

by DubsFan408 on Dec 11, 2010 7:05 PM PST up reply actions  

KG is not just very good defensively

he’s one of the best defensive players of all time and was consistently one of the 3 best defenders in the league for pretty much his whole career.

I'll sell this vacant lot and settle down in a place I've only read about in books about Miles Davis.

by Reverend_Randy on Dec 11, 2010 7:52 PM PST up reply actions  

Yes I am, I use them since they won the title

But KG can’t guard bigger guys like Perkins. Would you put him on Dwight? He was a good defender against PF’s but I would never make KG guard some of the guys Perkins guards

‎"There is nothing like a wise phrase or quote to help convince others that your decision makes sense." - Anon

"If you're ever in a fair fight, then your tactics suck." ಠ_ಠ

by dubzfan on Dec 11, 2010 9:05 PM PST up reply actions  

He was a good defender against PF’s but I would never make KG guard some of the guys Perkins guards

He’s a great defender period whether he’s guarding Cs or PFs.

by DubsFan408 on Dec 11, 2010 9:23 PM PST up reply actions  

You think he'd be strong enough to guard Shaq's, Dwight's, Boguts etc.?

Not sure about that, I feel like he’d just get pushed around by them

‎"There is nothing like a wise phrase or quote to help convince others that your decision makes sense." - Anon

"If you're ever in a fair fight, then your tactics suck." ಠ_ಠ

by dubzfan on Dec 11, 2010 9:44 PM PST up reply actions  

I don’t think Shaq and Bogut would be a threat to KG. Dwight would be challenging, but KG is a pretty big dude himself with length.

by DubsFan408 on Dec 11, 2010 10:03 PM PST up reply actions  

It’s not ideal, but he holds his own against them as well as most other big men. KG isn’t the biggest, but he has bulked up in recent years, and he has the crazy factor going for him…

by Missing Barry on Dec 12, 2010 11:44 AM PST up reply actions  

I do love craziness

He sure has it…

‎"There is nothing like a wise phrase or quote to help convince others that your decision makes sense." - Anon

"If you're ever in a fair fight, then your tactics suck." ಠ_ಠ

by dubzfan on Dec 12, 2010 8:08 PM PST up reply actions  

I do love craziness He sure has it…

 I like goodhearted craziness like Artest,Hibachi, and Rony but Garnett is kind of a mean unattractive kind of crazy.

Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.

by Skeptic con Urquell on Dec 12, 2010 10:34 PM PST up reply actions  

Defensively

KG is one of top 5 or so bigs in NBA in last 15-20 years.

Even now that he’s slowed down he’s still a good one.

by tafkasam on Dec 12, 2010 2:46 PM PST up reply actions  

The lack of a bench kills us and Lee should have a defensive guy next to him.

lol

aside from D. Wright, all our guys need a defensive guy playing next to them.

by Evanz on Dec 12, 2010 5:01 AM PST up reply actions  

Monta

Is not even close, offensively maybe but defensively not a chance.

 Man, I wish monta was 6’5-6’6, he would match up much better defensively.

by Anonymous1337 on Dec 11, 2010 4:41 PM PST via mobile reply actions  

The Warriors are too skinny, can’t play defense, take bad shots, have no system, rely on emotion, and have some glaring injuries.

Could you elaborate on this? The thing that comes to mind is the synergy between the team and crowd. This team FEEDS off its home crowd, and it bugs me when the crowd’s barely into the game during the first half. Need more of those Let’s Go Warriors chants. Of course, this doesn’t help them on the road, but it might help reduce the number of blowouts at home by the opposing team.

by David Leezy on Dec 11, 2010 4:44 PM PST reply actions  

Need more of those Let’s Go Warriors chants

A team that needs it’s fan to chant to win should be paid half salary and tickets reduced to half price.

Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.

by Skeptic con Urquell on Dec 11, 2010 5:00 PM PST reply actions  

Nice work skep!

Tix are half-priced on Tuesday!!

"Trade Radmanovic. We don’t even want nobody for you, we’ll let you go. Just get off our team".
-Mistah FAB

by Duby Dub Dubs on Dec 12, 2010 10:39 AM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Tix are half-priced on Tuesday!!

 maybe Lacob does read this crap?

Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.

by Skeptic con Urquell on Dec 12, 2010 10:41 AM PST up reply actions  

Lololol

I just nutted so hard

by Anonymous1337 on Dec 11, 2010 5:02 PM PST via mobile reply actions  

Ya just keep blaming the best player on the team.

Dont understand why some of you seem to think it is all monta fault they arnt winning. There is a lot more to it than that.

by Belinelli's the savior on Dec 11, 2010 8:36 PM PST reply actions   2 recs

This team needs a fire lit up their behinds

I agree. It’s not Monta’s fault. He’s just trying to do it all since no one else is helping. No one wants to step up besides Curry (who has felt the wrath of the Warriors Curse 3x this year). Lee’s J is as bad as AR and his rebounding hasn’t been what I’d expect (possibly cause of the injury), DWright is inconsistent and I hate his goddamn pump fakes, Beans hasn’t hustled like his 08’ form, Reggie has hit bricks all year, the bench sucks. Face it, the Warriors are a 2 man team. Curry & Monta put up 46 points a game consistently. The team sucks and the team is to blame. Not Monta, he is not a damn scapegoat.

On the other hand, it would be sweet if Monta was traded and he came back every year to crush the Warriors like JRich.

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by Monta THE Boss on Dec 11, 2010 9:34 PM PST up reply actions  

Why did the Warriors want David Lee so much if they were going to stop running and pushing the ball.

That was why david lee made so much sense for this team cause he was a rebounder that could run the floor and pick and rolls.

by Belinelli's the savior on Dec 11, 2010 8:37 PM PST reply actions  

You're completely right

David Lee was an all-star last year because of the run-n-gun. If Nellie was still here, Lee would be Nellie’s favorite player. He is the missing piece to the run-n-gun!

I bet D.Lee didn’t expect this shitty offense when he signed… now hes like ‘oh fk’.

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by Monta THE Boss on Dec 11, 2010 9:21 PM PST up reply actions  

43% of you want to tweak the roster?

which means that 43% of you couldn’t find your way to the bathroom in daylight with a flashlight…

wait, I forgot, these are probably the same people that think Alex Smith should be given one more year to try and prove himself.

Don’t forget, cleaning house isn’t like “going back to square one”. You know why? Because you’re still at square one!!! The team sucks, has sucked, will suck. I haven’t seen one damn thing to make me think otherwise.

by bernardking on Dec 12, 2010 1:50 AM PST reply actions  

The team sucks, has sucked, will suck. I haven’t seen one damn thing to make me think otherwise.

Well, that’s just like, your opinion, man.

I’d guess your post is about 93% trolling, but to the extent that you’re being sincere … It’s easy enough to kick the team when it’s down. Clearly, they sucked against the Heat. They’ve been mostly sucking for the last couple weeks. But there are a ton of extenuating circumstances: Lee’s zombie bite and slow recovery. Curry’s tender ankle. A frontcourt totally depleted by injuries. A rough stretch of the schedule. Head-scratching decisions from a young head coach who increasingly seems to be in over his head.

Some reasons for not to “blow it up”…

• A young, well-balanced starting five of Curry, Monta, DWright, Lee, and Biedrins.
• Three solid/promising young bench contributors in RWilliams, Amundson, and Udoh.
• $15M coming off the books at the end of the year.
• A smart, passionate new owner who seems committed to winning.

It’s not that much of a stretch to think a few tweaks — new coach, solid backup PG, e.g. — makes this a playoff team.

If you think otherwise, noob, that’s cool, but try contributing some solid reasons why instead of just taking weak shots at anyone who disagrees with you.

There will be no extra point!

by Sleepy Freud on Dec 12, 2010 8:04 AM PST up reply actions  

A smart, passionate new owner who seems committed to winning.

He seems committed to being a meddlesome owner. He has a pretty good GM. So far as we know his meddling has brought us Keith Smart and Jeremy Lin. I’m going to give him the benefit of the doubt but his passion for telling everyone how knowledgeable he is about basketball makes me more than a little uneasy.

I agree with your other points. There is a good roster that, when healthy, is a good coach away from being well above average without making any changes.

I am not a testicle.

by bloodsweatndonuts on Dec 12, 2010 11:54 AM PST up reply actions  

A young, well-balanced starting five of Curry, Monta, DWright, Lee, and Biedrins.

Well-balanced is a stretch, unless you mean it’s well-balanced because each person should actually be playing the position that they are in, unlike the Nellie years. This starting five will always be below average on the defensive end, which I take as not being well-balanced. But yes, I believe it is a playoff caliber starting five.

by samuraaaaiiiiiii on Dec 12, 2010 12:29 PM PST up reply actions  

I agree with this

the defense is not good enough – or should I say the offense is not good enough to compensate for the lack of good defense.

by Evanz on Dec 12, 2010 4:00 PM PST up reply actions  

I have been very disappointed with the offense so far. We have way too much talent to be the 18th best offense in the league.

by Missing Barry on Dec 12, 2010 4:35 PM PST up reply actions  

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