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Is It Time to Start Looking for a New Coach?


After our Golden State Warriors lost to the Phoenix Suns on Thursday, December 2nd, the team and I have been reeling trying to figure out what has gone wrong. The Warriors have gone 0 - 5 since they could not beat the Suns. 0 - 6 if you count the San Antonio Spurs game before that. One argument is the Warriors started off with an easy schedule during of the beginning of the season and went 7 -5. Since November 21st, the Warriors are in a tough part of their schedule mostly against teams over .500 and they’re 1 - 10 and out of playoff contention. Yeah, that’s a good explanation, but the Warriors are supposed to win some of those tough games if they’re a team bound for the playoffs. The Warriors need to beat some of those better than .500 teams and especially PHX, Portland and Denver in order to make it to the playoffs; These are the teams that will compete for the seventh and eight seeds in the Western Conference. To make matters worse, our starting PG is out with a re-injured sprained ankle and may get inconsistent PT due to it as it has been a nagging injury. Second, and even bigger problem is the Warriors aren’t scoring enough to beat the competition. They’re supposed to have gotten better defensively, but they’re still allowing the opposition to score an average of 107 ppg while they’re scoring an average of 100.6 points. That’s an average of 8.2 ppg less offense than last season.

The Warriors have had some injuries such as to starters Stephen Curry and David Lee and to reserves Ekpe Udoh, Lou Amundson, Brandan Wright, Rodney Carney and so on, but it is not an excuse as injuries are part of the game. So that brings up the coaching. I have been hearing complaints, from Don Nelson fans mostly, that the new coach Keith Smart is the problem. He’s implemented his defense, but has made the offense which was what made the Warriors exciting to watch and get some wins so much worse. The Warriors are now scoring an average of 100.6 ppg while allowing 107 ppg. As comparison, they scored and average of 108.8 ppg and allowed 112.4 ppg under Don Nelson. Clearly, they are scoring less under Keith Smart’s offensive schemes. So we have to put the new coach Keith Smart under the microscope and see whether or not he can regroup this team and make them produce. To the Smart detractors and bring back Don Nelson crowd, I say that Keith Smart was Nelson’s protégé and choice to replace him, so they should give him more of a chance or admit that Smart is another one of Nelson’s miserable failures.

Poll
Should the Warriors Get Rid of Coach Smart Now?
HELL YES!!!
114 votes
No, give Smart a chance to turn it around
43 votes
No, give Smart until the end of season
101 votes
Bring back Don Nelson fer chrissakes already!
30 votes
Other (please explain)
2 votes

290 votes | Poll has closed

This FanPost is a submission from a member of the mighty Golden State of Mind community. While we're all here to throw up that W, these words do not necessarily reflect the views of the GSoM Crew. Still, chances are the preceding post is Unstoppable Baby!

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Somehow Keith Smart is doing less with so much more than Nellie did last year…and i don’t even think Nellie did a decent job last year.

Funny how media doesn’t care. I kinda feel bad for Nellie in that regard.

by GovernorStephCurry on Dec 12, 2010 11:22 AM PST reply actions  

Yeah, it seems like they could roast Smart if they wanted to.

"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."

by kenntoe on Dec 12, 2010 11:32 AM PST up reply actions  

I'm listening to Don Nelson fans, but...

I don’t think bringing him back is the answer. It may allow the Warriors to score more and get some wins in the short run, but I don’t think he’s the answer in the long run. It’s almost like the Suns situation with Terry Porter, but they were able to find Alvin Gentry to replace Mike D’Antoni. Perhaps there is another answer if Smart can’t get this turned around in short order. I’ve heard Jerry Sichting as someone to replace Smart.

Jerry Sichting

"Go ahead. Make my day."

by callahan on Dec 12, 2010 11:38 AM PST up reply actions  

I don't want to bring back Nellie.

But i would have liked to have seen him with this team. He’s a better coach than Smart, imo.

by GovernorStephCurry on Dec 12, 2010 11:42 AM PST up reply actions  

I would agree that I also was interested to see what Nellie would have done with this particular crew in his last year of coaching but it seemed that he burned his bridges with some players and Smart seemed right as a transition coach. Funny how just a few weeks ago Smart was in the green valley of sunshine and tulips and now he is up that well known body of water without a feesible means of locomotion!

Makes me speculate that there must be a few NBA assistant coaches out there that will not ever intend to go for a head coaching position. ha!

by Only In Fairfax on Dec 12, 2010 12:20 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

It came down to Nelson or AB and/or Monta

I rather have the players to see what they can do. Nelson had his days already. Like I said, 7 – 5 was from a favorable schedule.

From the Cohan regime, I still want to get rid of Rowell. I’m willing to continue giving Larry Riley a test drive. Let’s see what he does for a coach in case Smart doesn’t cut it. The test drive for Keith Smart has hit a bumpy road and some car problems. He’s got to get the mechanics to turn it around in short order or else it’s time to test drive another. I was willing to give Smart until the end of season, but if the Warriors are a team that can make the playoffs (I think they can), then he needs to be jettisoned.

"Go ahead. Make my day."

by callahan on Dec 13, 2010 12:50 PM PST up reply actions  

I’m listening to Don Nelson fans, but…

Do they have your home phone number? I wonder if Lacob has changed his contact info yet?

by Only In Fairfax on Dec 12, 2010 12:31 PM PST up reply actions  

Heh. I didn't say I was listening to Don Nelson.

I hung up on that guy alrea… bzzzzz.

"Go ahead. Make my day."

by callahan on Dec 13, 2010 12:54 PM PST up reply actions  

Sichting has served as a member of the Minnesota Timberwolves organization for 13 of the past 14 seasons

I basically stopped reading after I see this line.

Is he the reason that we are loosing now???

by ILoveWarriorsGirls on Dec 13, 2010 9:11 PM PST up reply actions  

Agreed

we need a new coach but everyone seems to forget that there was/is nobody available. we had no other options so keith smart won by default. this young squad needs a coach who has some structure and knows how to get the most out of the players we have. also we need a coach who can adjust to what is happening in the flow of the game and be able to make adjustments at halftime and smart has been awful at this. you look at the suns last year with alvin gentry. on the surface you can say he did a great job leadin them to the conference finals but in reality he had taken the reins of a veteran squad lead by steve nash. and i think all the nellie supporters are just remembering the good things he did and forgetting about all the stuff they hated abut what he did as a coach

by No Dice Jim Rice on Dec 12, 2010 11:26 AM PST reply actions  

the only thing that nellie did

that i didnt like was be a little rough on rookies or people he didnt think were very good. other than that, youd be hard pressed to find a lot of people better than him

by hoopscorer23 on Dec 12, 2010 1:58 PM PST up reply actions  

If the Heat don't win it all this year...

I expect Erick S. to be on the market and the Warriors should go after him.

by iHypeTV on Dec 12, 2010 12:02 PM PST reply actions  

Well the Heat, will not win it all this year if the Lakers and Celtics stay healthy.

Nothing against Erick S. but when I imagine him on the bench with that particular look that he has when he is under extreme stress and the idea of getting dumped from the Heat and landing on the loosing Warriors bench …..I dunno about that senerio. Might be hard to watch. ha!

by Only In Fairfax on Dec 12, 2010 12:28 PM PST up reply actions  

a new coach is needed

although i don’t know if bringing one in midseason will really change anything, and there probably aren’t many decent ones available. we might just have to ride out the rest of the season and see who’s available then (spoelstra hopefully)

by AJC3317 on Dec 12, 2010 12:09 PM PST reply actions  

There will NOT be any coaching change mid-season.

With a pending lockout it makes ZERO sense to make the change. Let Smart finish out the year, evaluate who is available, and hire your new coach once the Labor situation gets settled. Until then we will have to live with Keith and his lack of smarts.

by OmnipotentOne on Dec 12, 2010 12:53 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

It was never the time to hire him in the first place. His comments about Mikki Moore a year ago scared me away. He showed no creativity and seemed ready to believe illusions instead of evidence, valuing the comfort of familiarity over tangible production. His lineups this year have shown that this was not an unfounded fear. While I doubt that another coach would have done more than a win or two better given the state of the lineup (once again more injuries than most coaches would competently handle) and the players provided (the glaring lack of a qualified backup guard especially), I see no evidence that he is anything more than a placehold.

If it was impossible to find an adequate replacement, Smart should have been named interim coach and held to that until he demonstrated more. Promoting him and giving him a longer term deal without him first demonstrating that he’s not a moron (something we’re still waiting to see) was a poor decision by management.

by jae on Dec 12, 2010 1:25 PM PST reply actions  

Re: giving him a longer term deal

The Rusty Simmons article about the crappy bench players whining about not getting predictable playing time throws out this random nugget:

“I don’t have a first option off the bench right now,” said Smart, whose contract is not guaranteed next season.

I did not know that.

Next year may be the first time in decades that they will not be paying two head coaches simultaneously.

I am not a testicle.

by bloodsweatndonuts on Dec 12, 2010 3:33 PM PST up reply actions  

this is new to me too

I coulda sworn that they made a big deal about getting “Smart” a two-year deal

"Trade Radmanovic. We don’t even want nobody for you, we’ll let you go. Just get off our team".
-Mistah FAB

by Duby Dub Dubs on Dec 14, 2010 11:14 AM PST up reply actions  

Should've kept Nellie for one more year

Develop Udoh
Further develop Steph
Give some confidence to healthy Biedrins
Raise Lee’s game

by HerFavColor on Dec 12, 2010 1:32 PM PST reply actions  

I don’t think Nellie would do a good job with Biedrins. He’s not really that kind of guy.

I'll sell this vacant lot and settle down in a place I've only read about in books about Miles Davis.

by Reverend_Randy on Dec 12, 2010 1:58 PM PST up reply actions  

Should’ve kept Nellie for one more year

By all means they should of kept Nelson this year, It was a bad decision for the new owner to fire Nelson without a true replacement..the only way Nelson should of been fired is if he had a proven replacement…On the other hand if Nelson was not winning we would all be saying what a bad decision it was to kept Nelson.. The main problem IMO was Nelson having to much control over the origination…but with the new owners that would not be a problem so I think the first mover of the new owners get’s an F at this point..

by Cryptic on Dec 12, 2010 4:31 PM PST up reply actions  

By all means they should of [sic] kept Nelson this year,

It’s not clear that Nellie wanted to come back. It seems like he was tired of coaching last year, but as Nellie is want to do, he figured out a way to leave and still get paid.

They should have had a better plan b than to promote Smart. The choice never should have been Smart or Nellie, give that the former showed nothing to indicate he should be the head coach and the latter appeared to be uninterested in continuing.

by jae on Dec 12, 2010 5:24 PM PST up reply actions  

They should have had a better plan b than to promote Smart.

That was exactly my point, Why fire Nelson without a true replacement….It would of made more sense to kept Nelson under a short lease until we found the right coach for this team…

I think the new coach could of retained Smart for player personal but now it’s to late he will have to go…

We had a chance to look at B Scott or Avery Johnson….or try and get a top assistant coach off another team and as far as I know they never had the forsight to explore it…

I’m not sold on the new ownership yet, I’m still waiting to see what direction there going to go in….I have to admit this is the first time that I can recall where I’m not excited at all about the team…it’s boring and mediocre at best….

I have heard or seen almost every game since the Championship year, many on the radio back in the day….but alas the fire seems to be going out….there was a brief time that I lost interest and followed the Celts in the Bird era but I still turned into the W’s….but this last meltdown has about put the lights out…

by Cryptic on Dec 12, 2010 6:02 PM PST up reply actions  

Why fire Nelson without a true replacement

And you seemed to have glossed over an important point: it is not clear that they fired Nelson. Officially, Nellie was not fired. His departure was a resignation, though what sort of pressure and negotiations led to this ‘resignation’ aren’t clear.

It would of [sic; the word is not “of” but have] made more sense to kept Nelson under a short lease until we found the right coach for this team

This assumes again that he was willing to return. That’s far from a given.

by jae on Dec 12, 2010 6:25 PM PST up reply actions  

Then why was Nellie at summer league talking about next year (as in the present)?

Why did Riley say Nellie was in town a few weeks before training camp? It seemed like Lacob wanted to impress the media and fire Nellie.

by GovernorStephCurry on Dec 12, 2010 6:38 PM PST up reply actions  

Also . . .

Why was he reportedly lobbying hard to sign Tolliver? BTW, look at Tolliver’s shooting numbers this year.

It seemed like Lacob wanted to impress the media and fire Nellie.

I think it was more to impress the fans. Polls here showed it was close to 50/50 on getting rid of him but the “anti” camp was much more vocal and prolific. Damon Bruce and TK were also working OT to rile up the fans.

Maybe Lacob or his son will coach the team.

Although, I’m now lobbying for Vlad to be the coach. Anything to get that dude in a suit come game time.

I am not a testicle.

by bloodsweatndonuts on Dec 12, 2010 6:50 PM PST up reply actions  

I think it's fair to chalk Tolliver's 3 point shooting to SSS for now.

He’s never been a good 3 point shooter but JAE did say that 3 point shooting is something players can drastically improve on.

by GovernorStephCurry on Dec 12, 2010 7:13 PM PST up reply actions  

You could be right about the sample size

but Nelson has a pretty stellar record in identifying offensive talent. I’d rather have Tolliver than Rodney Carney. I’d be curious to see if he could play the 3.

I am not a testicle.

by bloodsweatndonuts on Dec 12, 2010 8:30 PM PST up reply actions  

Sure, Carney is a bad player.

Tolliver is capable on that end, and so far this year seems to be a good offensive player. I’d take him at the 3 over Vlad, which is what Smart is planning on doing it seems.

by GovernorStephCurry on Dec 12, 2010 10:46 PM PST up reply actions  

When Toliver was here....

I was always wondering why he was not considered for 2nd or 3rd backup at the 3 spots. He was played of course at PF out of desperation but he just seemed like a possible SF to me. I would love to have him rather than Carney.

by Only In Fairfax on Dec 13, 2010 11:27 AM PST up reply actions  

I think he lacks the athleticism.

I'll sell this vacant lot and settle down in a place I've only read about in books about Miles Davis.

by Reverend_Randy on Dec 14, 2010 12:08 AM PST up reply actions  

and the speed

"Trade Radmanovic. We don’t even want nobody for you, we’ll let you go. Just get off our team".
-Mistah FAB

by Duby Dub Dubs on Dec 14, 2010 11:15 AM PST up reply actions  

Classic Nellie

Politician, trying to kiss up to new owners…

by tafkasam on Dec 13, 2010 10:06 PM PST up reply actions  

B Scott or Avery Johnson

or any other experienced coach might not have been interested in our woe-r’s, we won’t ever know for sure if the new ownership tried to reach out to them or not

it’s quite possible the new owners were adamant against Nelson’s return but couldn’t find a better nba assistant to fit the situation than Smart, who has the advantage of having a relationship with the players etc.

in the bigger picture, this roster is still in transition and we have a one year coach, we should hope that by this time next year more of a long term plan for success can be readily apparent both on the floor and on the bench, whether or not it is KS

"It’s frickin’ Sisyphean to be a Warriors Fan."

by hardcore on Dec 13, 2010 8:00 AM PST up reply actions  

I still believe that the moves to start this season are a “positive” step 1 as part of a longer process of moves. Considering what Riley had to work with he did pretty well. Of course hindsight is always great to ponder. My only dissapointment back at the time was selling off the 2nd round pick but it seems that the Randolf/Wright picks plus some recent burn out 2nd rounders must have influenced that value consideration.

by Only In Fairfax on Dec 13, 2010 11:35 AM PST up reply actions  

keith should finish the year

and then we should find someone good. what bothers me is that he doesnt seem to realize the mistakes that hes been making. i actually liked him a lot last year and still argee with making him the transition coach, but everyone can agree that his coaching has been poor thus far. blame it on injuries or lack of bench or whatever else, but the truth is that nellie would have this team goin pretty strong right now

by hoopscorer23 on Dec 12, 2010 2:02 PM PST reply actions  

My two cents

I don’t think Smart is a good coach. But firing him right now does nothing, unless we REALLY think one of our assistants has potential to be great. Theres no real available coaches who we can bring now.

Smart’s trying to implement new things this Warriors DESPERATELY need (defense and some half court set). We might as well let him ride it out, and see what happens. If this team gets to near 40 wins, I’d consider giving him a second year with an improved bench.

 Otherwise we can make a move for a top of the line assistant or coach immediately after season ends. Would have loved Thiboneau, seeing what he’s done in Chicago. I dunno who will be available in summer, but if Alvin Gentry is, I’d jump at him too….

by tafkasam on Dec 12, 2010 3:15 PM PST reply actions  

At this point you have to part ways with Larry Riley before Smart. The roster has major holes, starting with the lack of quality guards after Monta and Steph, Smart doesn’t make those decisions…Smart could be gone because he may be losing the players respect

by Brothaplease09 on Dec 12, 2010 3:27 PM PST reply actions  

I knew this nonsense would start sooner or later.

Who was available that would have come here? I don’t think that trading for a backup point guard is worth messing up the cap situation, assuming that a trade was available, which we don’t know that one was.

Also, Lacob is the one who used the roster spot on Jeremy Lin, not Riley.

Get rid of Riley? Brothaplease!!

I am not a testicle.

by bloodsweatndonuts on Dec 12, 2010 3:44 PM PST up reply actions  

See here's my thing...

Whats a smarter plan.. overpaying non-franchise caliber players or showing fiscal restaint and buildign organically thru smart scouting and drafting. We sell picks left and right, picks that netted players like Monta ellis in the past OR could have got DeJuan Blair or Landry Fields (for example).

You’re right we can’t attract free agents so why not build the way portland, okc and other SMART teams do by getting a lot of picks, late first rounders etc. and waiting till we actually get a player WORTH building around….

Right now this roster garentees no shot at a potential franchise changer like Blake Griffin, John Wall would have been or Durant, BRoy were. And at same time what’s its upside? 8 seed? Can it really get much better than a 5 or 6 seed down the line ???

by tafkasam on Dec 13, 2010 10:22 PM PST up reply actions  

Bring Nelly Back!!!

Yeah, we play better D under smart, but damn i miss the high scoring run and gun games! I want Nelly back and with better players i dont think itll be a loosing season. Geez sometimes i feel like i never see us in the 100’s anymore, and some games are just no that exciting….Nelly is needed!!!

J-Rich, Boom Dizzle and Matt Barnes will always be missed

by JayDeeAye on Dec 12, 2010 4:38 PM PST reply actions  

Nelly imo is not the answer!!! Keeping Keith Smart for the rest of the season is

because he will help us get the best draft pick for the draft.. he will help us to lose SO MANY games… if we get a new coach now we might win too many to not get a good draft.. the only thing i would HOPE SMART WILL DO is to play our bench more and develope our 2nd squad so that they will improve enough to totally be able to contribute to a championship in a couple years… i think giving smart the keys til the end of this year buys enough time to get a decent head coach for the future. but we NEED one more good draft imo to be able to compete for the championship in a couple years

by PIRATEWARRIOR on Dec 12, 2010 8:12 PM PST reply actions  

thing is

we are talented enough to win a few games despite his terrible coaching, so we will most likely have a crappy draft pick ala Udoh (although I hope he’ll be a good defensive presence)

by HerFavColor on Dec 12, 2010 9:13 PM PST up reply actions  

but we NEED one more good draft imo to be able to compete for the championship in a couple years

That sounds like a plan Ha! ……………………

by Only In Fairfax on Dec 13, 2010 11:38 AM PST up reply actions  

but we NEED one more good draft imo to be able to compete for the championship in a couple years

Yes we just need to win the Lottery the year a Duncan, Lebron etc. comes out while being probably a mid 30 win team projected 10-12

by tafkasam on Dec 13, 2010 10:24 PM PST up reply actions  

Yep, sounds like you have the answer. Why hasnt anyone else thought of that simple solution.

by Only In Fairfax on Dec 13, 2010 10:44 PM PST up reply actions  

There's no better candidate @ this point in the season

Not saying that Smart is doing great but the only person to replace him now would be another Golden State assistant coach.

Smart’s substitution patterns are baffling & the team has some really bad performances when coming out at half time. However, the players seem to still believe in him. Until Smart has a chance to utilize a Warrior’s roster when everyone’s healthy, it’s too early to call him bad.

Even now that Ekpe is finally coming back, Lee still seems to be suffering from the bite & Curry is hurt. Smart’s been dealing w/ a broken roster & lack of bench.

by srsrs on Dec 12, 2010 8:30 PM PST reply actions  

uh. yea there is

MIKE BROWN

remember what he did in cleveland with what’s his face? that really good player who no one pays attention too?

anyway, mike brown was the mastermind behind clevelands success. im sorry, lebron may be the megastar of the decade, but mike brown kept his ass under control. on top of that, he built a team that knew howt o be a proper supporting cast.. SOMETHING THAT COULD BE NICE FOR EITHER STEPH OR MONTA

i say play smart out. and then bring brown in next year.

by dubious dubz on Dec 14, 2010 9:36 AM PST up reply actions  

I say no thanks to Brown
mike brown was the mastermind behind clevelands success

please tell me you are joking…

"Trade Radmanovic. We don’t even want nobody for you, we’ll let you go. Just get off our team".
-Mistah FAB

by Duby Dub Dubs on Dec 14, 2010 11:17 AM PST up reply actions  

what...

you’re gonna tell me that lebron taught mo williams, varejoa, and gibson how to do literally everything else besides scoring?

by dubious dubz on Dec 14, 2010 12:52 PM PST up reply actions  

no, I'm saying that LeBron was behind Clevands success, not Mike Brown

Yes, the team had good defensive rotations, but Brown’s whole game plan (LeBron iso at the top of the key) was hardly masterful

I do think he might be an improvement, but I just disagree that he is THE slamdunk choice to be our next head coach.

After all is said and done though, he may in fact be the best available choice
…I just want to be clear that the Cavs were good mostly because they had LeBron, not moslty because Mike Brown was on the sidelines

"I cannot believe the depth of "Smart's" ineptitude…it goes deeper than David Lee’s elbow wound"

by Duby Dub Dubs on Dec 14, 2010 1:21 PM PST up reply actions  

Mike Brown would likely be an improvement defensively & very painful offensively.

Cavs seemed to run iso-Lebron plays way too much. I’m thinking Brown is a big reason the Cavs couldn’t get it done in the playoffs (moreso than Lebron). Against a strong defense 4-7 games in a row, I think Brown’s inability to develop an offensive offensive scheme got exposed.

==
Defense might improve but would it improve enough to compensate for how much worst the offense becomes?

by srsrs on Dec 15, 2010 3:09 PM PST up reply actions  

no excuse

just because you have some people hurt doesn’t mean you take out monta and curry out and place Bell, Lin, Carney, Adrien and Radmanovic at the same time in thesecond quarter. That ‘s a garbage team. No starters. No one who’s been on the team (except for Radmanovic who’s been with the warriors for a year and a half) for at least a year. No scoring. No rebounding. No defense. NO WAY. That’s coaching?! Hell no.

by Lyrchdawg on Dec 14, 2010 12:43 PM PST up reply actions  

It is annoying how the starters & bench players don't mix on the floor.

Get the feeling that Smart wants to have his starter team & his bench team. Then go back & forth between the two teams. Maybe I’m just imagining things but that’s really how I’m seeing it.

by srsrs on Dec 15, 2010 5:42 PM PST up reply actions  

This is where I'm at.

The San Francisco 49ers, inventing new ways to lose every week!

Mike Singletary: Doing the same thing week in and week out expecting a different result.

by Badly Browned on Dec 14, 2010 8:36 AM PST up reply actions  

This

If we make a trade and get the 8th he’ll look great, if we suck he’ll look bad. Who coaches now anyway? Silas?

‎"There is nothing like a wise phrase or quote to help convince others that your decision makes sense." - Anon

"If you're ever in a fair fight, then your tactics suck." ಠ_ಠ

by dubzfan on Dec 14, 2010 6:48 PM PST up reply actions  

ALL I AM SAYING, IS GIVE RICK A CHANCE!!!

Rick Barry for head coach for the second half of the season..comon Warrior fans bring back the great one!!!

by Cryptic on Dec 13, 2010 3:23 PM PST reply actions  

Barry has some significant problems getting along with people and his coaching record in the CBA (back when there was a CBA) was only pedestrian. Hell of a player, but that’s not alone enough of an endorsement. Nostalgia does not tend to lend itself to great personnel decisions.

by jae on Dec 13, 2010 3:34 PM PST up reply actions  

ALL I AM SAYING, IS GIVE RICK A CHANCE!!!

Did you watch Rick play? He was the coach on the floor, he beat you down mentally, he would make a hell of a coach….I don’t understand why he didn’t work his way up the ladder, but his genius on the court would be almost Bill Walsh like,,,,,,I believe in him because I watched him year in and year out and he’s without question one of the all time greatest and smartest players that ever played…

What would it hurt to give him the second half of this year? I might even renew my season tickets !!

by Cryptic on Dec 13, 2010 5:31 PM PST up reply actions  

he would make a hell of a coach

He was not a hell of a coach when he coached.

I don’t understand why he didn’t work his way up the ladder

His ability to tick off everyone he worked with may have been a contributing factor.

by jae on Dec 13, 2010 10:00 PM PST up reply actions  

Most likely a better coach than Smart.

Rick is a heady guy, you could not beat him mentally, he knows the game inside and out and is as intelligent as they come….He had two sons in the NBA…..so it’s in the genes…I would love to just give him one shot….win lose or draw…give Rick a chance….Let’s start the revolution…

by Cryptic on Dec 13, 2010 6:00 PM PST up reply actions  

But is he the right coach for a young team?

Nellie may be a ‘better’ coach than Smart, but the way he alienates his players and such is a cancer for a young team. Ours is the only franchise that would even think to hire Nellie for coach, every other one would only dare to prod him with a yard stick.

The San Francisco 49ers, inventing new ways to lose every week!

Mike Singletary: Doing the same thing week in and week out expecting a different result.

by Badly Browned on Dec 14, 2010 8:43 AM PST up reply actions  

+1

Even the team he led to a championship hated him.

by tafkasam on Dec 13, 2010 10:25 PM PST up reply actions  

Agreed. Hell of a player, but rotten personality.

I heard even his sons don’t like him or something like that. Family feud? I guess Warriors fans dig nostalgia.

"Go ahead. Make my day."

by callahan on Dec 17, 2010 1:10 PM PST up reply actions  

In addition to being hard to get along with (some called him an egomaniac), RB was unwilling to do the prerequisite work most nba coaches have to endure – be an assistant and do the behind the scenes work without the spot light and immediate gratification of being the head coach. He was also unwilling to move to another franchise – in short, trying to parlay his popularity here and not necessitate a move out of norcal. He said so himself while he was doing radio in the bay area a few years back, and at his current age I doubt he’d be able to make the transition back to the grind of an nba season full of travel and losses. And if he was willing to, I’d rather the ownership didn’t offer.

"It’s frickin’ Sisyphean to be a Warriors Fan."

by hardcore on Dec 13, 2010 5:17 PM PST up reply actions  

ALL I AM SAYING, IS GIVE RICK A CHANCE!!!
And if he was willing to, I’d rather the ownership didn’t offer.

Most the players he played with got along with him, he made everyone looked like all starts at times….that was one of his great traitrs is making everyone else look great….

I think he has matured all around, he was temperamental when he played but he was never a problem…he was a consummate pro…It would be exciting to see JL give him a chance…..

by Cryptic on Dec 13, 2010 5:36 PM PST up reply actions  

here’s one of the best articles I’ve ever read about Barry, and I’ve followed him my whole life – hope you enjoy

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1120767/index.htm

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by hardcore on Dec 13, 2010 6:04 PM PST up reply actions  

in the twenty five years since that SI piece

Barry has won respect, even affection from retired players for his work in their association. He’s also on to his third wife and raising another young son. He’d be perceived as too old to get his first coaching position either as an assistant or #1. Could probably be an excellent scout, not that he needs the travel and bad road food. The quality of the afternoon show on the local sports talk station completely crashed when the conglomerate didn’t renew his contract.

Music is the Healing Force of the Universe (a.ayler)

by the.monk on Dec 15, 2010 8:16 PM PST up reply actions  

Fitz is much worse than Rick.

He’s on his 3rd wife? Where’d you hear this?

by GovernorStephCurry on Dec 15, 2010 10:03 PM PST up reply actions  

Most the players he played with got along with him,

Many of the players he played with would rather the other team beat the crap out of him, something they wished they could do themselves. Whether or not more than half the players he played with go along with him is not clear. Whether he had problems getting along with many people is pretty clear. He did.

by jae on Dec 13, 2010 10:19 PM PST up reply actions  

Absence makes the heart grow fonder

Nellie lovers – I agree that he is a better coach than Smart, he coached for a 1000 years, how could he not know more about coaching? But lets not build a statue of him in front of Oracle just yet.
Nobody coached so long with so little to show for it as Nellie
Nellie would have Lee playing center and an unhappy Monta, and we’d likely have a similar record (one or two wins more at the most)
In the end, we need to put the era behind us and stop romanticizing it!

At the end of the day, better to keep Smart (who at least plays guys in their natural spots) and let him learn on the job and then get a better coach when one becomes available. At the end of the year, if we have 35-40 wins and get a new coach in who is better and maybe make another move to improve the team, then we’ll be in the hunt for the playoffs next year. After our 26 wins from last year this would qualify as an improvement.

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