Warriors Game Day Links: Golden State Warriors 108 vs Minnesota Timerwolves 99 - Breathe a sigh of relief: We won a should-win.
by IQofaWarrior on Dec 14, 2010 10:38 PM PST
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Recaps
Associated Press: Williams, Ellis lead Warriors past Timberwolves | Photo Gallery
Sports Network: Warriors top T'Wolves to end lengthy skid
Matt Steinmetz: Monta, Warriors snap streak, bury T'wolves late
Rusty Simmons: Golden State Warriors end 7-game losing streak
Carl Steward: Reggie Williams' long-distance shooting helps Golden State Warriors defeat Minnesota Timberwolves
Pregame News
- Matt Steinmetz wonders if Lacob will make moves soon in what is likely another playoffless season.
Matt Steinmetz: Is Lacob about to get busy?
- Acie Law wanted to cry when he got traded from the Warriors. He's happy to get another chance.
Marcus Thompson II: Golden State Warriors notebook: Slimmed-down Acie Law pleased to get another chance here
Rusty Simmons: Warriors news, Nov. 14
Pregame Videos
Ast Coach Robert Werdann before the game.
Postgame News
- No postgame news found.
Postgame Videos
Jaymee Sire interviews Reggie Williams right after the game.
Keith Smart at the podium.
David Lee in the locker room.
Monta Ellis outside the locker room.
CSN highlights, recap.
Recap and highlights from nba.com's game page:
Monta Ellis Spin cycle
Circus Shot
Law On the Break
Timberwolves vs. Warriors: Highlights, recap
Postgame Quotes and Stuff from warriors.com recap
Keith Smart
On tonight's game:
"Bottom line is we got a win. These guys have been playing good basketball for a segment of a few minutes here and there, and it managed to work out and we got a win. Now we move to the next team."
On Acie Law:
"I told him during a timeout, ‘I’m not looking at you as a new player, we’ve had you here before so I’m looking at you as if you were always with us. I have supreme confidence in you and you’ve done a good job with us last time here.’ He did a good job with managing the game getting a little bit more comfortable with what we are doing."
On Reggie Williams:
"It’s finally starting to sink in. I think with his teammates, not just for him, to know that this kid can play and he can score when he is aggressive and people are believing in him. I believe in him, some of the new players don’t know him they know him from a game here or there. I think he is starting to understand that his teammates want him to do it because he can. They know his ability so we've just got to keep him thinking and believing so when Steph (Stephen Curry) come back he still stays in that role."
Monta Ellis
On tonight's game:
"We finally got that monkey off our back. The bench came in and gave us a ton of energy. We started the game off flat but we stayed together as a team, picked up defensively and made plays."
On the bench's play:
"That’s what we need from our bench. When we are missing a few bodies, a lot of guys didn’t have it tonight. The bench came in and did a terrific job by bringing a lot of energy, made plays and the big guys rebounded."
Dorell Wright
On tonight's game:
"I finally picked my energy up. I felt I wasn’t contributing on both ends of the court. I got the opportunity to get a few easy baskets. Guys were finding me; I was taking shots with confidence. We now get to start our own streak. It wasn’t looking good for us in the last six or seven games. Now we can get back on track. We have a few games coming up that I think we can compete out there and try to get some wins to start a streak going the other way."
On his charity event tomorrow:
"My other number one goal other than having a great year here is getting in the inner city and getting in the community and doing better for these families that are less fortunate. Also, to the single mother home, a great Christmas for them and their families. I am taking them to dinner tomorrow and have gift baskets and everything ready for them. It’s going to be a great event. I’m very excited on having the opportunity to give back and do what I have been taught growing up."
Interesting Tweets
(after the game)
samickAOL: Take that @gswscribe - my David Lee gore shot has fresh blood on it.Guess u shouldn't have taken the night off!:) http://twitpic.com/3g2obv
jadande: @samickAOL @gswscribe is #davidleeselbow posing for photo spreads, or are those action shots?
samickAOL: @jadande @samickAOL @gswscribe I asked him nicely if I could follow in MT2's footsteps and take a pic, then immediately regretted doing so.
gswscribe: Don't worry. I got one w/ Chandler's tooth in it. Selling it to #District9parttwo producers RT @samickAOL my DLee pic has fresh blood on it
Notes
- Matt Steinmetz will hold his weekly chat Wed at noon on his chat page.
- From last week's MT2 article, Lou had a hard time catching some passes because of his finger. That would explain some of his dropped passes in tonight's game.
- Though no official word is given, everyone seems to think that Curry will return to action on Sat @Blazers.
- Keith Smart's post game comments further supported the idea that Lou's finger is still bothering him and his catches.
What's next?
- The Warriors get a long 3 day break before heading up to Portland on Saturday to battle the Blazers.
| Day | Date | Time | Opponent | TV | Radio |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Sat | Dec 18 | 7:00pm | @Blazers | CSNBayHD | KNBR 680 |
| Mon | Dec 20 | 7:30pm | Rockets | CSNBayHD | KNBR 680 |
| Tue | Dec 21 | 7:00pm | @Kings | CSNBayHD | KNBR 680 |
| Sat | Dec 25 | 7:30pm | Blazers | CSNBayHD / ESPN | KNBR 680 |
| Mon | Dec 27 | 7:30pm | Sixers | CSNBayHD | KNBR 680 |
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gameflow, Jaymee Sire interviews Reggie, David Lee in the locker room, Carl Steward recap.
Why's that?
We don’t have Curry
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by Badly Browned on Dec 14, 2010 11:15 PM PST up reply actions
Curry not playing meant the scoring load was on Monta, its not sad, it was expected...
by GSdubsfan41 on Dec 14, 2010 11:17 PM PST up reply actions
You remember when the last time Monta played a complete game?
Yup. A win vs the Timberwolves…
by JustSomeName on Dec 15, 2010 8:36 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
Word.
I also feel a little an easy at the fact that Monta & Curry always look more comfortable when the other is not on the floor.
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yeah, I know it was the T Wolves
but the team looked good last night. Not sure that they really missed Steph all that much. Monta at the PG is trouble (for both teams really)
"I cannot believe the depth of "Smart's" ineptitude…it goes deeper than David Lee’s elbow wound"
by Duby Dub Dubs on Dec 15, 2010 11:03 AM PST up reply actions
They competed with the Suns despite last night right after playing us. Kevin Love was only -4. Considering it was a back to back, I think the T-Wolves might have taken that game, had they been fresher. They’re definitely improving as a team.
And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who would attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know my name is Monta Ellis when I lay my vengeance upon thee.
David lee is a beast....
He’s definitely showing the guys what it takes to be a WARRIOR!
You know I spit technique to the freshest freak
Gimme a call you will see results in just a week
With the soul of a LOST HAWK
Is there a heaven for a Rap Cat, let's talk
your so funny, i want to see you playing with a gash in your elbow
by GSdubsfan41 on Dec 14, 2010 11:26 PM PST up reply actions
I don't.
And I don’t want to see Lee out there over our 6th pick who’s completely healthy and provides a good defensive presence which is something even a healthy Lee can’t do.
by HerFavColor on Dec 14, 2010 11:37 PM PST up reply actions
Udoh looked lost out there tonight...
Smart needs to play him more to get his feet wet.
by GSdubsfan41 on Dec 14, 2010 11:38 PM PST up reply actions
and how do you do that?
by putting an injured Lee on the bench.
by HerFavColor on Dec 14, 2010 11:39 PM PST up reply actions
exactly homie, but I'm not Coach Smart (dumb)
by GSdubsfan41 on Dec 14, 2010 11:40 PM PST up reply actions
no way
We needed this win. Badly.
Udoh was -1.32, played about 4 minutes.
Be patient, give him time to get accustomed to the plays, and the speed, and size of the NBA.
"I cannot believe the depth of "Smart's" ineptitude…it goes deeper than David Lee’s elbow wound"
by Duby Dub Dubs on Dec 15, 2010 9:37 AM PST up reply actions
if he's tough enough to play, doctors say the injury can't get worse by playing
and is playing better than the other options we have…he should play.
You know I spit technique to the freshest freak
Gimme a call you will see results in just a week
With the soul of a LOST HAWK
Is there a heaven for a Rap Cat, let's talk
by LostHawkGSW on Dec 15, 2010 12:00 AM PST up reply actions
Matt Steinmetz's article is simply disgusting
He says the warriors are destined for the lottery with their current core, claiming Ellis and Lee are pretty much as good as they’ll ever be. That may be true for Monta, but it’s difficult to improve when you’re already the fastest player in the NBA, and among the most prolific scorers. As for Lee, people just need to wait until this guy gets healthy. I really don’t understand why people thought Lee could just come in here into a new system, get a vampire bite on his elbow, and play as well as Pau Gasol at the power forward spot. That’s incredibly unfair to him. Then Steinmetz seriously pissed me off.
He was quoted saying Stephen Curry is a good player, but has limited potential and will probably never become a difference -maker at the point guard position. This is just a slap in the face to the player who put together the best rookie campaign in his class (Tyreke was just a selfish player looking for his own stats), is having by far the best sophomore campaign in his class, has one of the smoothest strokes in the game, possesses an amazing ability to pass the ball (aside from his one-handers, which will eventually improve/go away), rebounds exceptionally well for someone of his size, has a fantastic basketball IQ, and works extremely hard on the defensive end, all the while continuously improving his core strength and already-great decision-making ability. I’m not saying Curry is a future first-ballot Hall-of-Famer, but he is definitely going to be a powerful, difference-making point guard for many years to come. For Matt Steinmetz to say the opposite about him is just ludacris.
"It ain't Chinese algebra. If you get stops and you execute on offense, normally that team wins." - Tony Allen
by steffun4tw on Dec 14, 2010 11:27 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
Steinmetz likes being negative... he has seen too much losing over the years I don't blame him..
Curry needs to get his ankle problems together… he was just starting to get hot and was playing really well, I hope the injury isn’t to much of a setback
by GSdubsfan41 on Dec 14, 2010 11:41 PM PST up reply actions
Ludacris? Don't you mean Snoop Dog?
Oh! You meant ‘ludicrous’…Sorry, bad joke. Good post, steffun4tw.
hahah ya my bad
i’m so used to writing out his name i didn’t realize why there was that squiggly red line under it, i was sure i was spelling it correctly lol
"It ain't Chinese algebra. If you get stops and you execute on offense, normally that team wins." - Tony Allen
Haven't you noticed Steinmetz just has something against Curry?
by GovernorStephCurry on Dec 15, 2010 3:23 PM PST up reply actions
Not really
His points are fair. The Curry hype is a bit obnoxious. Good player. Possibly a REALLY good plauyer, but still flawed.
He also thinks Monta is flawed, Lee is flawed, Biedrins is flawed, the Warriors are flawed. Not really major insite there…
i've definitely begun noticing that this year
except this is the first year i’ve actually listened to what he has to say, and i am definitely not impressed.
"It ain't Chinese algebra. If you get stops and you execute on offense, normally that team wins." - Tony Allen
I’m not impressed with him at all. He makes lame comments. I don’t think he knows basketball very well. Half the posters on this board know basketball as well as he does or better.
And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who would attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know my name is Monta Ellis when I lay my vengeance upon thee.
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Monta Ellis outside the locker room, CSN highlights recap.
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nba.com highlights recap. I think that’s all I’ll do for tonight.
Where did you find that pic?
That’s a different angle than the one shown yesterday.
by IQofaWarrior on Dec 14, 2010 11:45 PM PST up reply actions
Found it
Yours was taken by Sam Amick of AOL Fanhouse.
samickAOL: Take that @gswscribe – my David Lee gore shot has fresh blood on it.Guess u shouldn’t have taken the night off!:) http://twitpic.com/3g2obv
by IQofaWarrior on Dec 14, 2010 11:59 PM PST up reply actions
wow, that is disgusting
he should take a sharpie and draw some eyes on it…
"I cannot believe the depth of "Smart's" ineptitude…it goes deeper than David Lee’s elbow wound"
by Duby Dub Dubs on Dec 15, 2010 9:32 AM PST up reply actions
Haha
Speaking of which, I came across this while looking for the source of that pic:
by IQofaWarrior on Dec 15, 2010 10:26 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
rec'd
could have been funnier, but the premise is pure genius
would love to see Tony.psd come up with some drawings to better illustrate the options
"I cannot believe the depth of "Smart's" ineptitude…it goes deeper than David Lee’s elbow wound"
by Duby Dub Dubs on Dec 15, 2010 11:07 AM PST up reply actions
The only really great one
is the mini David Lee.
I started reading the Basketball Jones blog when they poached Trey Kerby from Yahoo’s Ball Don’t Lie. He was their best writer.
I'll sell this vacant lot and settle down in a place I've only read about in books about Miles Davis.
by Reverend_Randy on Dec 16, 2010 7:22 PM PST up reply actions
because they clean it out on a regular basis
by currysabeast on Dec 14, 2010 11:47 PM PST up reply actions
At least it looks clean
Part of me just wants him to sit for 1-2 weeks and let Udoh get some minutes.
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A tweet conversation about Lee’s elbow hole.
A few observations.
1) Where was Steinmetz after the game? Nowhere to be found. So he is able to hammer us night after night when we lose but the minute we win a game he is a no show? Guess he has nothing to say when we win. So much for fair and balanced reporting.
2) If Curry is back on Saturday we appear ot have a 100% healthy squad. With all the bitching and moaning about our injuries, when was the last time the W’s had all 12 healthy and ready to play. Come to think of it, we may be the only team in the league that can say the entire team is active and can play. Clearly a case of the reality being different than perceptions. Guess we should give Abdenour a raise for keeping the team healthy and ready to play.
Matt Steinmetz was at the arena in last night's game.
He does not travel on road games, so he’s in the studio for road games.
by IQofaWarrior on Dec 15, 2010 9:48 AM PST up reply actions
Where was Steinmetz after the game?
aren’t you supposed to be omnipotent?
"I cannot believe the depth of "Smart's" ineptitude…it goes deeper than David Lee’s elbow wound"
by Duby Dub Dubs on Dec 15, 2010 2:03 PM PST up reply actions
Went to game last night
And all I have to say is, I find it ridiculous anyone who tries to act like Monta makes this team worse. Monta=the entire team’s offense when Curry is not in.
Exactly how many kick outs did he have to Dorell or drives and dump off to Lou/DLee etc. that weren’t converted.
And in 4th quarter, I’m unsure how well this shows on TV. We used Monta as a decoy very well. Minnesota had Corey Brewer (there best defender) on him and 2 others shadowing him in a zone defensive scheme. Got Reggie and others SUCH easy looks.
The more I watch, the more I side with Steinmetz that this team really is Monta/Curry and not much else in terms of offense. Lee is a much better version of Biedrins but still a player who isn’t going to create his own offense. And the rest of team REALLY can’t create aside from Reggie who is more of a bench spark anyway….
Lee is a much better version of Biedrins but still a player who isn’t going to create his own offense.
Well, considering DLee games really starts with his midrange jumper, comes to no surprise he hasn’t been effective at all with us so far.
That said, we do need an actual post up bigman. I do not know of any realistic options available though.
The San Francisco 49ers, inventing new ways to lose every week!
Mike Singletary: Doing the same thing week in and week out expecting a different result.
by Badly Browned on Dec 15, 2010 10:05 AM PST up reply actions
That said, we do need an actual post up bigman. I do not know of any realistic options available though.
More than that, a big who can create for himself carry offensive load.
I’m monitoring Bosh specifically, as Miami does not seem happy. Bosh next to Lee or Biedrins would be a huge upgrade, because of the combo would be very complimentary.
Hmmm
Doesn’t having an ‘actual post up bigman’ sort of imply he can create for himself?
The San Francisco 49ers, inventing new ways to lose every week!
Mike Singletary: Doing the same thing week in and week out expecting a different result.
by Badly Browned on Dec 15, 2010 10:14 AM PST up reply actions
My bad, I took it as a back to basket player, which there are VERY few of, perhaps only Pau and Dwight Howard?
Bosh can create for himself
especially if you are looking to get more contested 15-foot jumpers.
He’s got those in spades
"I cannot believe the depth of "Smart's" ineptitude…it goes deeper than David Lee’s elbow wound"
by Duby Dub Dubs on Dec 15, 2010 11:04 AM PST up reply actions
I think he + Lee could be an awesomely exciting front court.
But yeah, goes with Warriors philosophy of “defense optional”
yeah, awesomely exciting for fantasy team owners everywhere
you think we’re soft now?
here is asymbol of what Lee and Bosh would offer
"I cannot believe the depth of "Smart's" ineptitude…it goes deeper than David Lee’s elbow wound"
by Duby Dub Dubs on Dec 15, 2010 2:05 PM PST up reply actions
One game, bruh
I'll sell this vacant lot and settle down in a place I've only read about in books about Miles Davis.
by Reverend_Randy on Dec 16, 2010 7:22 PM PST up reply actions
And as much as I love David Lee
And am REALLY happy we got him, he really isn’t a true “difference maker”. Just saying when DLee is your best big, you’re a team sturggling to get to .500 (assuming you don’t have the likes of Lebron, Durant or someone on perimeter). But if he’s your second best big playing off a more elite player, that’s when you’re a team that will win over 50 games easy.
True
But do you really think he’s an elite PF in the NBA? I think he’s a very good productive player but really not someone you can actually run your offense through which seems to be an idea many thing can happen./
he's not going to do what Amare has done in NY
I see your point
but also, so much of his game is based on his jump shot; you gotta withhold judgement till that hole is closed
Plus, I think we will see him get better as he grows accustomed to his new teammates. Him and DWright had some good communication last night
"I cannot believe the depth of "Smart's" ineptitude…it goes deeper than David Lee’s elbow wound"
by Duby Dub Dubs on Dec 15, 2010 11:09 AM PST up reply actions
Yeah
Eitherway, it’s not fair of me to pick on Lee in this regard. We are missing a superstar kind of player. I really believe Monta can be a #2 guy on a team and Lee and Curry as your 3/4. But yeah, a lot of teams have this problem. Now how can we acquire, Lebron, Dwight howard, Durant etc….
I think at best Ellis is a Jason Terry or Jamal Crawford guy
he would make a very nice 6th man who could come in and boost the offense. A lot of teams like Chicago or Orlando (or Milwaukee) could use a guy like Ellis.
I still don’t think he’s the long term solution for us at SG.
I don't
Crawford is awful
Jason Terry is defacto starting 2guard anyway, they just start him on the bench. He plays starters minutes….
Jason Terry is defacto starting 2guard anyway, they just start him on the bench.
he’s not a “de facto” starting guard, because he doesn’t start. His role is to come off the bench and boost the offense of the second unit. This makes sense, as there are heavy diminishing returns for scoring.
Curry and Ellis can’t both have high usage and be on the court at the same time. And if they do, our front court becomes less of a threat to opponents, so they focus more on stopping Curry/Ellis. It’s just not going to work well long term (in my opinion). One of them (preferably Ellis) coming off the bench would be a huge boost to our second unit, and probably not diminish our offensive firepower of the starting unit. Especially, for example, if Reggie was made the starting SG.
Here’s what I’m suggesting. Start Curry/Reggie and bring in Law/Ellis off the bench. I think that’s the best utilization of our resources. Otherwise, we are wasting too much offensive threat by having Ellis/Curry in there at the same time.
Not that this has any chance of actually happening. I think Ellis would be traded first before coming off the bench.
Not a bad premise
but I would rather start Monta and Reggie
bring Steph in off the bench…treat him like the youngster he actually is.
Monta is being very cool this year, it would definately piss him off if we took away his starter spot…especially if the move did not produce automatic wins
"I cannot believe the depth of "Smart's" ineptitude…it goes deeper than David Lee’s elbow wound"
by Duby Dub Dubs on Dec 15, 2010 12:54 PM PST up reply actions
yeah well
our team doesn’t seem to be very well structured (with any lineup) for success long term
we’re gonna need to make a couple of changes
"I cannot believe the depth of "Smart's" ineptitude…it goes deeper than David Lee’s elbow wound"
by Duby Dub Dubs on Dec 15, 2010 2:40 PM PST up reply actions
bring Steph in off the bench…treat him like the youngster he actually is
lol, that “youngster” is the best player on the team (by quite a wide margin).
best player on the team (by quite a wide margin).
“that’s just like, your opinion man”
-the dude
Look, if it was that much of a no-brainer, then there would be no controversy associated with that statement above. Monta brings a lot of things to the court.
The Dubs need Monta and Steph to play at a high level if we are going to win. I honestly don’t really see Steph (right now) as a much better player.
Not saying that one is better than the other, just dispute that this gap is not just a wide margin, but “quite” a wide margin no less.
Monta, for all his flaws, is a legit borerline all-star caliber player.
And more nights than not, he carries this team…to defeat mostly, but he is the one who carries us most nights. That’s what the best player on the team does. Stats (especially advanced stats) may indicate otherwise, but just based off of how the team offense defers to Monta, I can’t help but dispute the claim that there is a wide gap between Steph and Monta, especially when we are saying something as vague as “the best player” on the team.
Maybe you guys can fill in the numbers for me, show me where I’m wrong, but that’s what I think
"I cannot believe the depth of "Smart's" ineptitude…it goes deeper than David Lee’s elbow wound"
by Duby Dub Dubs on Dec 15, 2010 2:19 PM PST up reply actions
Look, if it was that much of a no-brainer, then there would be no controversy associated with that statement above. Monta brings a lot of things to the court.
There’s controversy with saying Lebron’s better than Kobe…people don’t know their facts.
by GovernorStephCurry on Dec 15, 2010 3:27 PM PST up reply actions
well again
this is all a matter of perspective. You can talk about various statistics (heck, even heaps of statistics for this example) that show player X is better than player Y.
But again, if LeBron was soooooo much better than Kobe, and it was clear to anyone who was paying attention that this was the only logical answer, we wouldn’t be having this discussion.
Stats may show that Kobe is not a good player, but the reality is that there are always going to be mitigating factors that may not be included in those stats that will cloud the objectivity enough to silence the data.
err…that sentence sucked, let me give an example.
Let’s just concede that LeBron is statistically better than Kobe. Does that make LeBron the better player? Depends on the argument you’re trying to make.
By “better” do you mean he could beat him in a game of one-on-one?
By better do you (as I assume you do) mean that he converts higher % of shots, plays better defense, and contributes more towards victories?
Or do you want to know who you would choose to build a franchise around?
Again, I know I opened a can of worms here, but I want to reiterate that I don’t really have any strong conclusions on the Steph vs. Monta debate.
All I’m trying to say is that you cannot expect that these unequivocal statements are just going to be swallowed down by everyone with a smile and a nod to your superior understanding of the game.
lol, that "youngster" is the best player on the team (by quite a wide margin).
"I cannot believe the depth of "Smart's" ineptitude…it goes deeper than David Lee’s elbow wound"
by Duby Dub Dubs on Dec 15, 2010 4:05 PM PST up reply actions
damning evidence
from another thread
Steph’s got the 2nd highest offensive rating (after Reggie) on the team, the highest WS48, the highest WP48, and the 2nd highest TS% (again behind Reggie)
"I cannot believe the depth of "Smart's" ineptitude…it goes deeper than David Lee’s elbow wound"
by Duby Dub Dubs on Dec 15, 2010 4:22 PM PST up reply actions
Reggie is the best player
"I cannot believe the depth of "Smart's" ineptitude…it goes deeper than David Lee’s elbow wound"
by Duby Dub Dubs on Dec 15, 2010 4:46 PM PST up reply actions
Curry is scoring at elite efficiency at very high USG%, while also not getting assisted on very many buckets. I think he has the 4th highest TS% of all 20 PPG scorers and is also the 4th lowest %ast of all 20 PPG scorers.
I'll sell this vacant lot and settle down in a place I've only read about in books about Miles Davis.
by Reverend_Randy on Dec 16, 2010 7:25 PM PST up reply actions
facts?
It’s ALLL subjective. Lebron has a major turnover problem, which I think most people overlook. His shot is still suspect. Though he hits 3s at a good rate, aside from that if he isn’t dunking he’s less effective than most of nba (mid range)
I will say Kobe is more skilled than Lebron by a large margin. But using that skill in an effective efficient way? No.
For what it’s worth so is Monta, but again, style doesn’t get you extra points.
"is a legit borderline all-star caliber player"
you’ve hedged your bets, but I wouldn’t bet your hedges on that statement
yeah, I was especially proud of that as I typed it
a legit borderline all-star caliber player
My point is that if you ask 100 basketball heads who they would rather have, Steph or Monta, you aren’t going to get universal agreement
Monta is a damn fine player (sometimes)
"I cannot believe the depth of "Smart's" ineptitude…it goes deeper than David Lee’s elbow wound"
by Duby Dub Dubs on Dec 15, 2010 4:06 PM PST up reply actions
I still don't think it's Ellis/Curry being incompatable offensively...
But the lack of other options really.
I don’t think you can really start Ellis on the bench though SA did it for years with Manu. What you’re really talking about though is what I agree with… the rotation sucks. We can’t have them both off the court at same time. Smart needs to stagger minutes better regardless of who starts. Be it Monta taking rest at end of first and starting 2nd when Curry is out or something..
I don't think it'd matter if he was a 6th man
He’d still play more than the bigger guy ahead of him
"There is nothing like a wise phrase or quote to help convince others that your decision makes sense." - Anon
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not someone you can actually run your offense through
Actually, I disagree with this. The one thing Lee is consistently doing well even now when he’s injured is passing. Amare is more like Maggs, where you can expect that the possession will end one way or another when it gets into his hands. Lee is a willing and excellent passer.
I guess that's true
Should have said, have as your primary offense threat
I think Curry may be a primary trade bait if he can stay healthy.
by davidleeisabeast on Dec 15, 2010 12:33 PM PST up reply actions
Not entirely opposed to this.
If only because Monta and Lee are much closer to ‘peaking’ than Curry. But ONLY if Curry can net us a an actual star player (read: Not Iggy). Let’s say something like CP3 or Deron etc.
Then again, it almost would have made more sense to keep AR with Curry, trade Monta for more young pieces, probably get another high pick or two and go complete rebuild for 2-3 years down the line
In general, I just see a lack of a plan. Just a team who is fluttering between 35 and 45 wins
For Chris Paul, I’d trade both Monta and Curry. No offense to those two, but the Chris Pauls of the world are one in a billion.
And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who would attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know my name is Monta Ellis when I lay my vengeance upon thee.
But he has a serious knee cartilage issue.
Adding Simmons to a booth with Mark Jackson?
Are they trying to create a work of real-time historical fiction?
-bloodsweatndonuts
by GovernorStephCurry on Dec 16, 2010 7:58 AM PST up reply actions
But watch...it won't work in the long term.
He sucked when he played good teams and when they played bad teams he did well.
by GovernorStephCurry on Dec 15, 2010 3:28 PM PST up reply actions
Dear Acie Law
I owe you an apology
Sorry for doubting you
and I would like to extend an overdue welcome to the team!
thanks for helping us get the win
"I cannot believe the depth of "Smart's" ineptitude…it goes deeper than David Lee’s elbow wound"
Even when healthy
Something HAS to be done with our FT shooting. This is just getting embarrassing now. What happened to Monta? DLee with one and a half arms is still shooting better FT% than Monta.
The San Francisco 49ers, inventing new ways to lose every week!
Mike Singletary: Doing the same thing week in and week out expecting a different result.
I hated seeing Acie Law and Dorell shoot the technical free throws
Clearly that’s Curry if healthy but cmon, let Monta shoot them to get him out of his funk.
I feel that’s a bad idea. As team leader, Monta is smart to defer to them, because if he misses, he hurts the team. Not good leadership.
And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who would attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know my name is Monta Ellis when I lay my vengeance upon thee.
Just wanted to add, glad Acie is back in a Warriors uniform. I remember how he defended Kobe pretty well last year and his pretty good play. He could do well here, I hope! Did great last night, at least.
And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who would attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know my name is Monta Ellis when I lay my vengeance upon thee.
In a Lakers game last year. Nellie started playing him at SF occasionally after that, because he showed such toughness. That and because our team was incredibly banged up.
And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who would attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know my name is Monta Ellis when I lay my vengeance upon thee.
I don't think so....
Maybe pre-season.
Adding Simmons to a booth with Mark Jackson?
Are they trying to create a work of real-time historical fiction?
-bloodsweatndonuts
by GovernorStephCurry on Dec 16, 2010 7:58 AM PST up reply actions
It was after they had tons of injuries, so it must have been in the regular season. Don Nelson said the reason he thought he could handle SF was because he showed such toughness against Kobe.
And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who would attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know my name is Monta Ellis when I lay my vengeance upon thee.
Added
1 note about Smart confirming that Lou’s finger is bothering his catches.
yeah, that's what the Bright Side of the Suns blog was saying too
when we got Lou
they were so sad to see him go, but said more than once that they would have been much, much more sad if Lou actually had any offense
"I cannot believe the depth of "Smart's" ineptitude…it goes deeper than David Lee’s elbow wound"
by Duby Dub Dubs on Dec 15, 2010 12:55 PM PST up reply actions
Michael Beasley
Wish we had have been so shrewd as to swoop him from Miami. (There’s the bench punch at the 3/4 we could use). Still very raw, but slowly seems to be piecing it together.
Only 2 second round picks…..
He's not even playing well.
His rebounding is pathetic, and his efficiency is not good.
by GovernorStephCurry on Dec 15, 2010 5:53 PM PST up reply actions
He rebounds well for a SF
which he plays almost exclusively. I think he’s played maybe 30 minutes all season at PF.
And ok it’s clear you just stat gawk. He played well last night. He’s a skilled scorer. Like I said, he’s still a work in progress but has high potential.
BTW his .522 TS% would rank him 4th on Warriors?
Yeah i still don’t want someone who takes a lot of shots, is supposed to be a 4 but can’t rebound, scores at a .522 TS%…kinda sucks.
Adding Simmons to a booth with Mark Jackson?
Are they trying to create a work of real-time historical fiction?
-bloodsweatndonuts
by GovernorStephCurry on Dec 16, 2010 7:59 AM PST up reply actions
He was actually suppose to be a 3
And has played it this year pretty well (for first time). And I’d easily take him in a trade for 2 second round picks. Thats all I’m saying…
For the #2 pick? NO
For what minnesota got? Great addition
Sure for 2 second round picks.
Adding Simmons to a booth with Mark Jackson?
Are they trying to create a work of real-time historical fiction?
-bloodsweatndonuts
by GovernorStephCurry on Dec 16, 2010 12:40 PM PST up reply actions
Part of Beasley’s problem is that he doesn’t have a position. He’s kind of a tweener forward.
I'll sell this vacant lot and settle down in a place I've only read about in books about Miles Davis.
by Reverend_Randy on Dec 16, 2010 7:27 PM PST up reply actions
Beasley
He is the kind of guy Nellie could make into a star. A very difficult matchup…
How so? He’s slow for the SF, isn’t a great shooter. He’s small for a PF and can’t rebound. He’s the bad kind of tweener.
I'll sell this vacant lot and settle down in a place I've only read about in books about Miles Davis.
by Reverend_Randy on Dec 17, 2010 12:34 AM PST up reply actions
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