Bobcats looking to Trade
by Underhand Free-throw on Dec 16, 2010 11:45 PM PST
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The Charlotte Bobcats are off to a terrible start and its no surprise why. It appears that Stephen Jackson and company have either quit on their coach, Larry Brown, or that this team is lacking a difference maker. They might be tanking it early this year just to get the number one draft pick. (lookout Minnesota, someone is gunning for #1)
With their less than stellar performance, the Bobcats have leaked the information (and i say "leaked" because if I heard about it then its not inside information) that they were interested in gauging the trade value of some of their key components. Here is the article:
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=5928487
Like my college girlfriend, Stephen Jackson will always have a special spot in my heart. His barrage of 3's in the clinching game against the Mavericks so long ago meant so much to me. However, the breakup was still very painful and I can go back. I'm in love with another (Oh Stephen!)
However I really like the idea of getting Gerald Wallace. Athletic SF who can really rebound, get the the paint, etc. We maybe could give him up for a song. Like trading away Dorell Wright and Vladimir Radmanovic.
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=2w4uvxo
Okay, okay. Not even the Bobcats are dumb enough to take these two guys off our hands for their Franchise player... but what if?? Or what about doing a deal that includes Monta Ellis and Wallace.
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=39l3wov
Hollinger says that this trade would be bad for The W's and result in 4 more losses. I am not sure I believe the stats, but its fun to ponder. Who on the Bobcats do you think are worth trading for, and what would you give up.
Cheers!
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Hmm
Curry
Reggie
Wallace
Lee
Biedrins
Not bad…Wallace is a capable defender and can spread the floor with the 3. If Reggie can continue his starter success this lineup wouldn’t be too bad.
by Anonymous1337 on Dec 16, 2010 11:55 PM PST via mobile reply actions
Wallace is not that good at 3s
Wallace is however good at drawing fouls, something the Warriors need. Our SF depth would be great if we got Wallace, but if we traded Monta to get him we would be short on quality guards. Getting Jackson back would be a mistake.
by brutusbrutus on Dec 17, 2010 12:13 AM PST up reply actions
Wallace offense is similar to Maggette
Only he’s an elite defender and rebounder.
He plays off the ball more than Maggette.
by samuraaaaiiiiiii on Dec 17, 2010 2:34 PM PST up reply actions
I'd rather...
Start D. Wright at SG and have a super strong defensive unit at the wing spots. Then use Reggie off the bench in a J. Terry like role where he gets about 32-35 minutes. Thing is… I highly doubt that the Bobcats would part with Wallace unless we took some of there bad contracts off the there books.
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=2bht3p4
A Sonics fan without a team... but after 7 seasons now of GS Warriors season tickets have convinced me to adopt the boys from Oakland.
That’s not a bad trade there, mcwalter44. It makes $ sense for Charlotte wanting to do that.
I would prefer moving D. Wright to the bench and starting Reggie at the 2 and Wallace at 3. But mixing and matching would work too. We’re entirely use to the idea of different starting lineups for every game.
by Doctor Kajita on Dec 17, 2010 9:23 AM PST up reply actions
Gotta love the trade machine!!
I really hope the Warriors can pull off SOME sort of blockbuster deal this year, packaging Monta and others for hopefully someone like a Gerald Wallace, that would be very fun :)
"It ain't Chinese algebra. If you get stops and you execute on offense, normally that team wins." - Tony Allen
I don’t want Jackson back even though i now regard him personally as alright -anyone who takes on the media, Stern, and Kobe like he does earns my respect. But we don’t need him. Gerald Wallace would be a god-send.
Adding Simmons to a booth with Mark Jackson?
Are they trying to create a work of real-time historical fiction?
-bloodsweatndonuts
by GovernorStephCurry on Dec 17, 2010 12:12 AM PST reply actions
He takes less than 3 point shots per night
this is if we are talking about Wallaces 3pt percentages. Wallace draws fouls and aside from this year is an efficient scorer who has less USG% than Monta and is a good defender at his position. It is a pretty even trade Monta for Wallace, it solves one problem and replaces it with another though.
by brutusbrutus on Dec 17, 2010 12:24 AM PST up reply actions
I'd rather have a solid SF and a problem at the SG position
than having an undersized SG with serious lack of depth at the SF spot. Might I add, and this would really make my dreams come true: One Jason Richardson becomes a free agent at the end of this season, and the Warriors will (barring a trade for our expirings) be relatively loaded with cap space. Can you imagine the lineup:
Stephen Curry
Jason Richardson
Gerald Wallace
David Lee
Andris Biedrins
And then we’ll still have a good amount of cap room afterwards to possibly upgrade our Center position (Marc Gasol, if Memphis doesn’t decide to match our offer)
I think Warriors nation would be very happy with a lineup like that :)
"It ain't Chinese algebra. If you get stops and you execute on offense, normally that team wins." - Tony Allen
That lineup would kill teams on the boards.
by Missing Barry on Dec 17, 2010 10:10 AM PST up reply actions
Well, there is one definite thing that would happen with a Wallace / Lee / Biedrins lineup… we would definitely rebound the ball.
by samuraaaaiiiiiii on Dec 17, 2010 12:35 AM PST reply actions
a lineup of
curry
monta
wallace
lee
beans
bench-
d.wright
reggie
acie
rest…
is pretty sexy if we can keep our current starters and trade for expirings. maybe package beans with exprinings if we can get back a good center
I like that better than our current team, but I do worry a bit about offense / floor spacing when neither of our starting wings is a very good 3 pt. shooter (Monta’s approaching “decent” this season but it could be just a SSS error). I’d love to see that same team with JRich as the starting 2 (basically, steffun4tw’s lineup).
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on Dec 17, 2010 2:50 PM PST up reply actions
would the cap space situation work?
also what would happen once curry gets his mega million dollar contract
cap situation is going to eventually go out the door
If we ever want to get serious about fielding a contending team
We have raw, young talent but they need to be balanced out by a hard ass who won’t accept lackluster ball.
-BayGiant11
by Duby Dub Dubs on Dec 20, 2010 12:55 PM PST up reply actions
Eh. Not really.
Your cap space goes out the door once you have a contending team and want to keep it together.
While you’re trying to get the right pieces together, cap space is a good thing. It gives you more ability to acquire the pieces you need to be a contender.
It’s not about “Deciding” to be a contender. When you are a contender, you end up losing your cap space.
that's what I meant
When you are a contender, you end up losing your cap
cap situation goes out the door If we ever want to get serious about fielding a contending team
We have raw, young talent but they need to be balanced out by a hard ass who won’t accept lackluster ball.
-BayGiant11
by Duby Dub Dubs on Dec 20, 2010 3:51 PM PST up reply actions
Forgive me if I'm wrong, but
isn’t the idea that we fill up our space with good players now, then go into the luxury tax range to resign Curry? (which I think we can do as he is already a Warrior)
"Morrow... That's a two pointer!"
-Kevin Harlan for the 22nd time during an NBA 2k11 exhibition
by don't leave Morrow! on Dec 21, 2010 2:57 PM PST up reply actions
yeah well...
I think what we are seeing in the NBA these days is that premier FA’s want to go where they can win and/or get outrageously overpaid
We need a pretty drastic improvement in mulitple areas before we are realizticly talking playoffs, much less championship. This is not going to be a one-step solution
But we will need to improve our talent pool if we expect to attract one of the NBA’s best
We have raw, young talent but they need to be balanced out by a hard ass who won’t accept lackluster ball.
-BayGiant11
by Duby Dub Dubs on Dec 21, 2010 4:39 PM PST up reply actions
(which I think we can do as he is already a Warrior)
We won’t know until this summer when the CBA is renegotiated.
I'll sell this vacant lot and settle down in a place I've only read about in books about Miles Davis.
by Reverend_Randy on Dec 21, 2010 5:18 PM PST up reply actions
lol
Charlotte trade Shannon Brown for Radman a couple years ago. Whoops! Don’t think they’ll make that mistake again.
Wallace has dropped off a bit this year
Which might make him more tradable. As I recall, He is a Maggette like player, in that he slashes to the hoop a lot, draws fouls and he doesn’t particularly make anyone around him better. But, that’s where the comparison ends. He’s a good rebounder and a good one on one defender with a lot of heart..
I always had a trio in my mind when i considered trading Monta. They were Iggy, Wallace and Gay .Gay’s way too expensive now, Iggy is quite a chunk too, but Wallace, last I checked has a good contract.
by War Years Legacy on Dec 17, 2010 6:49 AM PST reply actions
Wallace's contract
Is pretty reasonable
(although he is only locked through next year (which is a potential lockout), after that he holds a player option
$9.5 mil, flat (no increase in subsequent years)
Boy..that is a nice value IMO
We have raw, young talent but they need to be balanced out by a hard ass who won’t accept lackluster ball.
-BayGiant11
by Duby Dub Dubs on Dec 17, 2010 10:21 AM PST up reply actions
C'mon you guys can't be serious....
When Al “my back hurts” Harrington was looking to get out, there were rumors that the Bobcats were shopping Wallace. I remember calling in to Damon Bruce and saying that it was a perfect trade. Instead, we ended up with Jamal “I don’t know how to pass” Crawford.
There were reservations about Wallace, such as the fact that he has had multiple concussions from the same reckless play that helps him get 15 rebounds/game at 6’7". If you guys think getting rid of Monta for either he or Jackson makes sense you have a case of the Christine O’Donnels.
If he were the difference maker between making the playoffs or not, which he could be, and Bobcats were looking for expirings, then give ’em BWright, Radman and one of those 2nd rounders we picked up for Morrow or Watson.
Curry/Lee/Monta= Wins
Bring back Captain Jack!!!
Nuff said. I mean i know he would get technicals galore, and he was a ball hog. But look at this with our starting roster there is less pressure on him to handle the ball and have to do everything. On top of that he has been a Warrior which would be an easy transition on his part. He is a great 3 point shooter or just a great shooter in general, he can get to the basket, and he plays D. C’mon we should give him one more chance. Bring Him Back!!
J-Rich, Boom Dizzle and Matt Barnes will always be missed
Perfect.
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine
J-Rich, Boom Dizzle, Matt Barnes, Stack Jack, Adonal, and Marco B will always be missed
noooo
Jax is a horrible, horible player and person
We have raw, young talent but they need to be balanced out by a hard ass who won’t accept lackluster ball.
-BayGiant11
by Duby Dub Dubs on Dec 17, 2010 10:04 AM PST up reply actions
He is a great 3 point shooter or just a great shooter in general
He’s neither.
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on Dec 17, 2010 11:21 AM PST up reply actions
this is very much in doubt too
and he plays D
should read
and he plays D when interested
We have raw, young talent but they need to be balanced out by a hard ass who won’t accept lackluster ball.
-BayGiant11
by Duby Dub Dubs on Dec 17, 2010 11:28 AM PST up reply actions
He does really, really likes to shoot 3’s. That’s the same thing, right?
by Missing Barry on Dec 17, 2010 11:40 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
It makes sense to get a SF that is a difference maker on the defensive end. Stack Jack and Crash fit that role perfectly. Since we’ve already had a taste of one of them, I prefer Gerald Wallace (more size and athleticism and less drama).
Although I really miss Stephen Jackson’s ability to run the pick-n-roll. It would make sense to have another playmaker that’s bigger than 6’3".
by Doctor Kajita on Dec 17, 2010 8:54 AM PST up reply actions
Stephen Jackson can run the pick and roll?
You mean by creating a bunch of turnovers?
I have no interest in Stephen Jackson as a playmaker, ever.
Maybe you're thinking too recently
But in a limited playmaking role, he did quite well with Biedrins, if you recall.
by Doctor Kajita on Dec 17, 2010 9:37 AM PST up reply actions
Which season are you talking about?
Because I disagree that he was an effective player in a limited role after Baron left the team. And before Baron left the team, he was rarely initiating the offense like that, but maybe that’s what you mean by “limited” role.
I would refer to the 07 and 08 seasons. Although you’re right, his TOV% wasn’t great. He was usually in the top 3 – 5 in AST% though. All in all, he’s been a slightly above average player his career.
My recollection, not based on stats, is that he had the ability to see the floor pretty good, but his actual skill (or stubbornness) would get him in trouble. But at least opened the opportunity for plays to be run through him. Perhaps we can put this in the “intangible” category, where taking the ball away from Baron actually helped the team in some instances.
by Doctor Kajita on Dec 17, 2010 9:53 AM PST up reply actions
Jack did have a positive +/- in 07-08 and 08-09, for what it’s worth.
by Missing Barry on Dec 17, 2010 10:13 AM PST up reply actions
plus, as much as I hate him
I gotta admit that adding him to the Bobcats is really what pushed them into the playoffs last year
…and then they lost. Please let’s not even consider re-acquiring Jax. The guy plays the laziest defense in the NBA
We have raw, young talent but they need to be balanced out by a hard ass who won’t accept lackluster ball.
-BayGiant11
by Duby Dub Dubs on Dec 17, 2010 10:19 AM PST up reply actions
But this is a pointless argument for me…I’d rather have Gerald Wallace between the two.
by Doctor Kajita on Dec 17, 2010 10:01 AM PST up reply actions
The only way I think this makes Warriors significantly better is if
They get wallace without giving up curry, monta, biedrens, and lee.
But if they could that would be a good starting 5
by Belinelli's the savior on Dec 17, 2010 10:06 AM PST reply actions
Gerald Wallace is worth a lot IMHO
If there was any way that we could hang on to our main pieces, great.
But even if they want more (which is pretty much a given) I would trade anybody else on the roster for him…if the deal was right.
He would really improve our team by adding toughness at the wing. Would be benificial at both ends of the court.
That said, I bet they want way too much for Wallace. Still, I hope our front office guys are working the phone lines on this!
But yeah, I think Wallace is dynamic enough to be a cornerstone of the franchise. It would be a much more drastic improvement if we managed to hang onto our core, but even if it cost us one of our key guys, I would still say that this si a marginal improvement
We have raw, young talent but they need to be balanced out by a hard ass who won’t accept lackluster ball.
-BayGiant11
For all those reminiscing:
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=2azjpch
Curry/Lee/Monta= Wins
lol nice
i think the funniest part of that trade is that it predicts the lakers will win 5 LESS games by replacing barnes with carney and lin.
"It ain't Chinese algebra. If you get stops and you execute on offense, normally that team wins." - Tony Allen
Lots of guys being shopped
Miller, maybe Roy, Wallace, SJax, Anthony Randolph, Nocioni, Telfair, JR Smith, Vince Carter, Iggy – all rumors at this point, but still…
Not saying I want to give up any starters for some of these guys but would love to improve the bench. LGW make a move! Maybe a three way trade that nets us Heinrich?
well if we're gonna rebuild our roster
we might as well go all out ;)
I think it works out for all teams, but the Warriors might just get the best of it haha.
Stephen Curry
Reggie Williams (He looks so undeserving here)
LeBron James
Pau Gasol
Dwight Howard
6th man: Dorell Wright
How about it, Lacob and Guber, show us what you can do :)
"It ain't Chinese algebra. If you get stops and you execute on offense, normally that team wins." - Tony Allen
Link fail
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=2g5mpp8
"It ain't Chinese algebra. If you get stops and you execute on offense, normally that team wins." - Tony Allen
How bout Dorell Wright, expirings, and Stephen Curry for Wallace and Jackson?
Ellis
Jackson
Wallace
Lee
Biedrins
Reggie, Law, Carney, Amundson, and Udoh off the bench. Not bad.
Don’t think the Bobcats are an ideal trade partner, or that I would like this trade, but this is probably the best we could get from Charlotte.
Just no
sorry, no, but Stephen Curry will not be traded unless we get one of the top 10 players in the NBA
"It ain't Chinese algebra. If you get stops and you execute on offense, normally that team wins." - Tony Allen
Ugh.
How ‘bout a five-way with LAC, PHO, CHA, and DEN whereby we ship out Steph, Monta, Dorell, and Lee for Baron, JRich, Cap’n Jack and Harrington?
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on Dec 17, 2010 3:50 PM PST up reply actions
2007 was good times
Anyone else see a parallel with We Believe collapse and economy tanking???
No sjax please
Monta for Wallace could be interesting…
In reality
we have exact same depth if we swapped Monta and GWallace. We’d slide Dorell to 2. Problem is without Monta we actually have NO PG
argh
Whats your point? If we trade Curry….who will EVER relieve him
Sorry, I meant monta
If we trade monta we have no backup PG
Can we PLEASE
Acknowledge that SJax is poison? According to a recent article on Hoopsworld, now he and Wallace both walk back after they disagree with calls. We’re talking about a guy known for putting his health on the line for his team, not giving the effort to run down the court, and Larry Brown says he has to “beg them to play”,
http://www.hoopsworld.com/HeadlineStories.asp?lc=NBA&c=1&TEAM_ID=&PLAYER_ID=&hd=20101217#STORY_30126
This makes any trade proposal giving up Monta or any other valuable player invalid so PLEASE just stop.
Curry/Lee/Monta= Wins
Well it's not like StackJack has a rep of not playing hard/thru injuries...
But eitherway it’s a mess and a flawed team. It’s in there best interest to trade both and rebuild Wallace is worth more, I don’t think we have the value to get him though. Young talent + expirings…. we got expirings but not young talent.
What if we could get Iguodala and Wallace…
Ellis for Iguodala
B. Wright and Gadzuric for Wallace (quite the robbery)
Curry/Law
Iguodala/Williams
Wallace/D. Wright
Lee/Udoh
Beidrins/ Amundson
Still lacks a dominant post up presence but I like it.
Serving it up night in and night out -Steph "The Chef" Curry
by dont_stop_believin' on Dec 17, 2010 5:05 PM PST reply actions
not to mention the FACT that 76'ers are not trading for Ellis
they have Lou, Jrue and Turner
Why not?
Serving it up night in and night out -Steph "The Chef" Curry
by dont_stop_believin' on Dec 17, 2010 5:25 PM PST up reply actions
actually if we can pull that off
i will say our chances of playoffs are instantly better. defensively we’ll be there. regarding scoring, we’ll find a way especially with curry as the lead point guard. but man, it will pain me for losing ellis.
we can do expirings for iggy and ellis for wallace.
by bimmercirem3 on Dec 17, 2010 6:19 PM PST up reply actions
Offensively it's a nightmar thoug
Curry + NO shooters. Iggy, Gerald, Lee and Biedrins all want to be at the rim. It’s a nightmare and will make all there efficiency go down. We have problems right now with just Lee and Biedrins taking away from each other on offense. Imagine without Dorell or Monta?!
Honestly if we could get Gerald Wallace (without giving up Monta) I’d wanna move Biedrins for a player like Frye. We need a floor spacer if we wanna see Lee produce at his best (along w/ rest of our slashers). More so Crash rebounds at as elite a level as any SF so i think we can make up Biedrins thru Lee and Wallace.
On offense, Monta, Gerald slashing, Lee in the PnR, Curry running the show and Frye in pick and pop and rotation 3 would be awesome
We would have to pick up another shooter for sure
but the skill set that Wallace has is rare and very valuable.
by brutusbrutus on Dec 17, 2010 10:17 PM PST up reply actions
agreed
But if you have Gerald + Monta (or Iggy) as your 2 wings, and DLee as one of your bigs, you got threee players who WANT to cut to the hoop nonstop.
If you’re other big cannot space the floor adequately, EVERY player’s efficiency will go down. Simply put, driving the lane with whole defensive collapsed inside is not good
I don't like the lack of floor spacing
but that might be the best pair of perimeter defenders in the league.
I'll sell this vacant lot and settle down in a place I've only read about in books about Miles Davis.
by Reverend_Randy on Dec 18, 2010 2:13 AM PST up reply actions
True not very good floor spacing.
Iggy just held Kobe to 9 pts on 3-11 shooting.
Serving it up night in and night out -Steph "The Chef" Curry
by dont_stop_believin' on Dec 18, 2010 3:18 AM PST up reply actions
Kobe has a finger injury so he kind of stopped himself
Plus Kobe is a volumn shooter and not uncommon for him to throw up more bricks than makes.
by OmnipotentOne on Dec 18, 2010 9:48 AM PST up reply actions
How much was he own Kobe?
I watched a quarter of the game. Saw Jrue Holiday on Kobe MUCH more and Iggy on Artest.
Eitherway, he is a top quality defender.
How many times have we heard that?
Adding Simmons to a booth with Mark Jackson?
Are they trying to create a work of real-time historical fiction?
-bloodsweatndonuts
by GovernorStephCurry on Dec 18, 2010 2:08 PM PST up reply actions
doesn't matter..
what happened happened..how many times have we heard Curry injuring his ankle?
A bunch of 77-80 point games
Would love to see them play though with a big who can shot 3s to open up the lane
as long as we're winning thats fine i guess.
Adding Simmons to a booth with Mark Jackson?
Are they trying to create a work of real-time historical fiction?
-bloodsweatndonuts
by GovernorStephCurry on Dec 18, 2010 10:07 AM PST up reply actions
Disagreed, I want to see Warriors play with a distinct style
You don’t have ot agree, but it’s my views. Basketball is an art. If the warriors became some ugly defensive monster (like Larry Brown’s Phili team) I would obviously still support them, I’d never turn my back on the Warriors (I mean if I Was going to, it would have happened already), but I wouldn’t like it.
One of the main reasons I fell in love with basketball as such a young age is there’s an element of creativity, fair and spontaneity you do NOT find in other sports (aside from futbol, my other love). Football and baseball are too structured (Though I enjoy them for different reasons),
But thats just me. I realize everyone’s got there own views. For my money, aside from We Believe team (which I’ll always be bias towards). First team I fell in love with was the Webbers lone year in GSW (Webber, Mullin, Spree :D). Not that I didn’t like run TMC but for whatever reason, 1993/94 I was at an age to get it a bit more. Other teams; Webber’s Kings team who David Stern robbed, Sloan’s Stockton/Malone Jazz (who battled MJ), Nellie’s Mavs with Dirk and Nash, and D’antoni’s Suns.
I should really start a love and basketball fanpost cause I’ve gone massively OT here…
Back to the idea of Igguy, Wallace on this team. I don’t necessarily think we’d win much cause we don’t truly have an elite player anyway (Though you can always say Detroit 2004… still don’t see ben wallace or sheed downlow)
Yeah, i want to see exciting basketball too. The main reason we watch is for entertainment purposes so yeah. But if we were to become a successful Larry Brown type team, how could you not be for that? The Warriors haven’t been a successful team in a long time.
Adding Simmons to a booth with Mark Jackson?
Are they trying to create a work of real-time historical fiction?
-bloodsweatndonuts
by GovernorStephCurry on Dec 18, 2010 11:46 AM PST up reply actions
I didn't say I'd be opposed to it. Of course I'd support my dubs...
I’m just saying I don’t think the team proposed would be unless we had an anchor like Howard
Wallace would be perfect for the WArriors
He would end up playing PF though haha
"You should never underestimate the predictability of stupidity."
by fr8nk the tank on Dec 18, 2010 11:58 AM PST reply actions
we need wallace
this has to happen. a trade bringing in wallace would prove the quick action that lacob and guber promised.
it would be a very special christmas if we could get wallace without giving up monta. maybe riley can convince charlotte + mj to bite on beans, bell, and gadzuric. we could platoon admundson, udoh, and lee, which would be dangerous because udoh just looks lost right now, but could get him the minutes he needs to step his game up. if we had never given up adrien, this could have been a lot more possible.
but im serious. we need a trade like the one that we convinced new orleans to do, baron for speedy claxton and a pick? seriuosly? that still makes me laugh.
wallace would make this time something to consider.
please no more action jackson.
I got sick watching him jacked up so many unnessary 3’s. I don’t want to hear his whinning and moaning either . He could stay there. lol
how about
Keith Smart for Larry Brown? I’d do that trade 99 times out of 100.
by Uwe Blog on Dec 18, 2010 7:51 PM PST via mobile reply actions
Meh, Idk about Wallace.
When he’s healthy I guess I’d take him for the Warriors over Ellis. But he’s already pretty old and plays recklessly.
I guess if we could do something like Ellis for Wallace and D.Wright for OJ Mayo, I’d do it.
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