RECAP #26: Golden State Warriors 95, Portland Trail Blazers 96- Sloppy, boring, and bad. + Gilbert Arenas and Jason Richardson partying like it's 2002
Just like this photo, this game was painful for all involved.
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I'll be blunt. This was a boring game. That doesn't mean that this recap will anything close to boring though, so JUMP!
Monta Ellis and the Apple Turnover Diet
Repeat after me:
MONTA ELLIS IS NOT A POINT GUARD. HE SHOULD NOT HAVE THE BALL IN HIS HANDS AT THE END OF QUARTERS.
Thank you.
It was hilarious when various Warriors "experts" and fans were saying the loss of Baron Davis was not a big deal for the Warriors back in the summer of 2008 because Monta could step in just fine as the point guard. It was even more hilarious when Monta reportedly threw a tantrum and threatened even more tantrums if the Warriors ignored his wishes during the summer of 2009 after his lost Moped Gate season and took a point guard in the draft. As an epilogue (and you know what happened) the artist formerly known as Boom Dizzle proceeded to prove that he was a nobody without Don Nelson and caused his own owner to heckle him, the Warriors drafted Stephen Curry, and Mr. Turnover spouted his "can't do it" nonsense.
Last season it became abundantly clear that whenever Ellis has the rock at the end of quarters with the time ticking one of two things are guaranteed to happen:
1) a silly turnover
2) a silly forced shot which has no chance of going in
Monta's 7 total turnovers, careless suffered pick pocket by Andre Miller (more on him in a bit) which led to an easy two which he didn't even challenge, and off balance miss at the end of the game illustrate all of the above.
And of course, wait for it...
There you go.
Andre Miller- Mr. Unexplainable
I will never comprehend how this guy is so good and helps NBA teams win. He's relatively unathletic (slow even as Brandon Roy would attest), likely has less vertical leap than I do, and quite frankly is a tad out of shape and pudgy for an NBA player. Yet somehow this crafty vet just keeps doing his thing on winning teams. Miller is like that random 45 year old man with knee braces and elbow pads that you bump into every now and then at pickup games who you think you're going to run circles around, but schools you. Absolutely schools you.
Miller is my nominee for tonight's Warrior Killer. He schooled the Warriors tonight with his 17 points (7-12 FG), 8 dimes, and 4 picks in less than 30 minutes of action.
Quick Shots
- Call Vladimir Radmanovic Rad Vlad for what he gave the Dubs tonight. That might've been his best game in a Warriors uni ever. He knocked down 2 treys, moved the ball well (4 assists), and even played some tough D collecting 2 swats off the bench. If he could do this more often the Warriors would have some semblance of a bench.
- Milk Carton: Ekpe Udoh. Why is this guy not playing? Can he really be that much worse than what the Warriors bench is providing right now?
- It's great to see Cal product Sean Marks still in the league. He used to crack me up back in the day with his random roars off putbacks. Can you believe he's had a longer NBA career than Lamond Murray? Shocking.
- LaMarcus Aldridge deserves props for his solid outing. His 17-12 looked easy. The Warriors D will do that to you of course.
- I could go on about this game, but I'll leave that to my friends in the comments. Honestly this was a boring and sloppy game. To tell you the truth the Warriors didn't deserve to win it. If you didn't see this game, you didn't miss much. If you saw the game, well I'm sorry. I feel for you. I really do.

I'm handing this one out to former Warrior assistant and now Orlando Magic GM Otis Smith. Guts would be an understatement.
Why couldn't he be Gary St. Jean's heir to the Warriors front office instead of Chris Mullin?
Gilbert Arenas and Jason Richardson? What is this 2002?
Why Cohan? WHY?!
Check out these hits from Orlando Pinstriped Post:
- Reports: Orlando Magic Trade Vince Carter, Marcin Gortat, and Mickael Pietrus to Phoenix Suns for Jason Richardson, Hedo Turkoglu, and Earl Clark
- Orlando Magic Trade Rashard Lewis to Washington Wizards for Gilbert Arenas
I think I know who Warrior fans will be rooting for in the 2011 Eastern Conference Playoffs.
Shout out to GSoMer WYK for posting this video clip:
I was thinking the exact same thing the second I heard about the Magic trades today.
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Monta is clutch
Don’t know what y’all are talkin about.
"I tell him straight, 'If you're going to lead, you have to be the first to practice. You have to come in, get your work down and be prepared for practice,' " assistant coach Keith Smart said. "He needs to figure out why he is having stomach problems and he's got to watch how LeBron (James), Kobe (Bryant) and D-Wade (Dwyane Wade) work. He needs to mimic that if he wants his teammates to speak volumes about him." -Keith Smart on Motna Ellis
Uh, no he isn't
I'll sell this vacant lot and settle down in a place I've only read about in books about Miles Davis.
by Reverend_Randy on Dec 18, 2010 10:56 PM PST up reply actions
Power play goals
Bochy & Co. -- Your 2010 World Series Champions
by GrayDilla on Dec 19, 2010 1:14 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
Per 48 in clutch time. Curry is better though
by HerFavColor on Dec 19, 2010 10:55 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
What’s “clutch time”? Why per 48?
I’m not sure if you were deliberately trying to deceive, but dropping those numbers with no context is pretty silly.
Basically, any discussion of “clutchness” or lack thereof is 99.9% pure bunk, imho.
Clutch or no clutch, Monta’s not a great outside shooter. Therefore, that wasn’t a smart play in that situation. But yeah, I’d cut him some slack, as it looked like Lee was either supposed to roll to the hoop on a P&R or get out of the way. Wes Matthews falling on Lee after Monta crossed him basically blew up the play. Reggie Williams did look pretty open in the right corner, but you don’t really want a 3 in that situation.
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on Dec 19, 2010 11:11 AM PST up reply actions
Looks like if he wanted to he could've drove left passed LMA.
There was some time left and should’ve easily beaten LMA with a quick burst.
"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."
It's on 82games, jesus you'd think everybody would be familiar with that website by now
And Monta is a better outside shooter than Westbrook, Durant, Lebron, Kobe and Wade this season. What now?
Dude, I don’t think I’m the only one who had no idea what you meant by posting the phrase “38 ppg on 47% FG” with zero context.
I’d add that if you’re citing numbers through 25 games — a tiny sample that is further parsed into tinier samples by some dude’s arbitrary definition of “clutch time” and “non clutch time” — you’re almost certainly getting a whole bunch of noise and very little signal.
Seems to me that you might want to learn a bit about statistics and relevant sample sizes before posting a bunch of random, misleading numbers on this board. (I’m giving you the benefit of the doubt by assuming you actually care about fairly assessing the facts, rather than simply touting the awesomeness of Monta Ellis 24/7).
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on Dec 19, 2010 4:39 PM PST up reply actions
I can't say for sure
but it looks like we’ve played 30-35 minutes of clutch time this year.
I'll sell this vacant lot and settle down in a place I've only read about in books about Miles Davis.
by Reverend_Randy on Dec 19, 2010 5:31 PM PST up reply actions
HAHA seriously
I was racking my brain for the last time the Warriors were actually in position to win a one possession game
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by Tom Huddlestone on Dec 19, 2010 7:44 PM PST up reply actions
And Monta is a better outside shooter than Westbrook, Durant, Lebron, Kobe and Wade this season. What now?
maybe win some games like those guys do?
Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Dec 19, 2010 7:27 PM PST up reply actions
Weirdly enough
4 of those guys have never really been good outside shooters. Not a great group to compare to, really. I think if you averaged their career 3P%, you’d have a below average group.
I'll sell this vacant lot and settle down in a place I've only read about in books about Miles Davis.
by Reverend_Randy on Dec 19, 2010 7:42 PM PST up reply actions
if you've watched any games this year
he’s pretty damn awful in the clutch. Curry’s our best player with the time winding down, and I wouldn’t call him too clutch, either.
"It ain't Chinese algebra. If you get stops and you execute on offense, normally that team wins." - Tony Allen
"One thing LeBron James has won that Kobe Bryant never has, and never will: A bronze medal."- Josh Tucker
More clutch than Monta
Did you not watch the NCAA tournament a few years back..CLUTCH CITY
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by Tom Huddlestone on Dec 19, 2010 7:45 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
as in on the moped pedal, lol
Monta is a choke artist and over-rated.
He single handedly lost that game last night. He should have been traded for OJ MAYO and Thabeet. Yet, GSW is a jynxed franchise, so it don’ matter!
ID GSW had got Amare, GSW would have a winnign record RIGHT NOW!
Monta at half-court: “Man, is this old dude falling asleep on the court right now? I feel kinda bad for him. I’m about to blow by him and get a clutch basket for my team right as the half ends. Hopefully he won’t break a hip while trying to turn around and watch me score… Hey, where did the ball go?”
by samuraaaaiiiiiii on Dec 18, 2010 11:12 PM PST reply actions
Good for J-Rich
Best chance in his career to get a ring – hope he gets it!
As for Arenas, hopefully he has learned from his mistakes because the talent is there – not sure about his knees though.
No matter what – big upgrade for Magic..
Now, when do the warriors make a move?
Warrirors making a move?
Ask again if Yao comes back this season
"I tell him straight, 'If you're going to lead, you have to be the first to practice. You have to come in, get your work down and be prepared for practice,' " assistant coach Keith Smart said. "He needs to figure out why he is having stomach problems and he's got to watch how LeBron (James), Kobe (Bryant) and D-Wade (Dwyane Wade) work. He needs to mimic that if he wants his teammates to speak volumes about him." -Keith Smart on Motna Ellis
yao's a great player and all
but i couldn’t handle him playing for the dubs. we’re injury-prone-enough as it is :(
"It ain't Chinese algebra. If you get stops and you execute on offense, normally that team wins." - Tony Allen
"One thing LeBron James has won that Kobe Bryant never has, and never will: A bronze medal."- Josh Tucker
haha
I meant it as a rhetorical question. Just like the Geico commercials. I was trying to say I don’t see us making any immediate moves.
"I tell him straight, 'If you're going to lead, you have to be the first to practice. You have to come in, get your work down and be prepared for practice,' " assistant coach Keith Smart said. "He needs to figure out why he is having stomach problems and he's got to watch how LeBron (James), Kobe (Bryant) and D-Wade (Dwyane Wade) work. He needs to mimic that if he wants his teammates to speak volumes about him." -Keith Smart on Motna Ellis
o lol
"It ain't Chinese algebra. If you get stops and you execute on offense, normally that team wins." - Tony Allen
"One thing LeBron James has won that Kobe Bryant never has, and never will: A bronze medal."- Josh Tucker
Well, Riley did say he had something in the works.
I think his initials are GW.
"Go ahead. Make my day."
o matter what – big upgrade for Magic..
Yeah, they are definitly gonna be something to watch now. Jrich and Hibachi ,the Dubs east
Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Dec 19, 2010 7:30 PM PST up reply actions
Can we start scavenging the d-league for some guards + wings?
Curry, Reggie, and Monta are solid, but who’s the 4th guard? Law wasn’t good tonite, and he’s kinda always sucked so i’m not sure he’s the answer.
by GovernorStephCurry on Dec 19, 2010 12:13 AM PST reply actions
I'm willing to let Law be the 4th
When Steph comes back he won’t get much run anyway
"There is nothing like a wise phrase or quote to help convince others that your decision makes sense." - Anon
"If you're ever in a fair fight, then your tactics suck." ಠ_ಠ
lol
After one game, people are ready to proclaim him the backup PG, after another game he’s a scrub again.
The Golden State Warriors, we make Free Throws look difficult!
by Badly Browned on Dec 19, 2010 7:54 AM PST up reply actions
I proclaimed him back up point
Sticking with it…we don’t have anyone else
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by Tom Huddlestone on Dec 19, 2010 7:46 PM PST up reply actions
I agree the Warriors need more guards, specifically a true point guard. It is pretty painful watching Monta play point guard, he looks very uncomfortable playing the position.
I just don’t think the D-league is the answer. How about trying to make trades with other NBA teams for legit NBA players. I feel like Riley has fallen in love with the D-league because of success with guys like Williams plus under the Cohan/Rowell regime he was forced to shop in the D-league. My guess is teams like Lakers, Boston, or Orlando don’t get scavening the D-league to fill areas of weakness.
Law was their solution at PG for this season. Don’t expect them to pick up anyone else at that position unless it’s a piece to make a trade work. It’s Law for for better or worse…
Amnesty for all immigrants! Boycott Arizona! RIP GURU
by The Bimbo Coles Experience on Dec 19, 2010 11:34 AM PST up reply actions
Unfortunatly you are probably right about Law although he kind of just fell in their lap. I think this again gets back to not having a plan. Last year when Nelson was coach Riley went out and got a bunch of wing players to fit his system, problem was they couldn’t get a rebound. Lacob comes in and gets rid of Nelson so Riley gets a bunch of bigger players who can rebound but now doesn’t have any point guards to run the team. Curry is the only point guard on the roster and some believe he is more of a 2 guard.
Riley is probably pretty good at scouting but this team needs a GM with a long term plan and the courage to make some moves. (other than D-leaguers and other teams wavier players.)
we need
michael Jordan or something
by Anonymous1337 on Dec 19, 2010 12:27 AM PST via mobile reply actions
i dunno
owning the bobcats is a pretty horrible job, but playing for the warriors…. that’s a whole new level of embarrassment. I’m not sure his PR can take that hit haha
"It ain't Chinese algebra. If you get stops and you execute on offense, normally that team wins." - Tony Allen
"One thing LeBron James has won that Kobe Bryant never has, and never will: A bronze medal."- Josh Tucker
I think he meant Michael Jordan the player
Not Michael Jordan the “basketball” executive
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by Tom Huddlestone on Dec 19, 2010 7:46 PM PST up reply actions
Favorite highlight in Warrior history
probably. But regardless, it’s so fitting that was against the Magic. I bet ever since Arenas and Richardson embarrassed them like that they’ve been plotting how to put the two in a Magic uniform. Their grand scheme has finally panned out :)
"It ain't Chinese algebra. If you get stops and you execute on offense, normally that team wins." - Tony Allen
"One thing LeBron James has won that Kobe Bryant never has, and never will: A bronze medal."- Josh Tucker
yet another game
where the offense is pathetic while trying to run smart’s half court sets, and finally gets it going when things are loosend up. like some have said, i don’t know if it’s the players or smart’s coaching that is truly to blame, but it is the very definition of insanity to continue to do the things that have proven to not yield any sort of results
There's just no way to know for sure
I remember last season, I was getting very frustrated with the offense because it looked like everyone was just sitting around watching Stephen Jackson with the ball. The offense was stagnant and rhythmless. That happened right up through the @Knicks game, the one where Curry played only a few minutes, blocked David Lee’s shot, and got into a small argument with him.
Then the very next game @Bucks on the very next night, the Warriors offense COMPLETELY turned around. They moved the ball back and forth, in and out, in rhythm, no hesitation, looking for the open man. All it took was one night, and suddenly things clicked among the players. I doubt Don Nelson could have completely revamped the offense on a back-to-back road trip in one night. And I doubt it had anything to do with Stephen Jackson being traded, because the players said they didn’t know about it until the day after the Bucks game when the news hit them.
I remember all this because I wrote a detailed comment about it after the Knicks game, and then again after the Bucks game.
So it’s difficult to know if this season’s offensive frustrations are because of Smart’s gameplans or if the players simply haven’t clicked with each other yet. When you look at the players inability to complete fast breaks, it’s plausible to believe that the players haven’t clicked yet.
by IQofaWarrior on Dec 19, 2010 10:46 AM PST up reply actions
I would say the bigger problem for the Warriors offensively, beyond the stupid Utah offense, is that the only two players on the team that can create their own shot with any consistency are 6’3" and 165lbs. soaking wet. If an opposing team has any kind of defensive presence in the front court, and these guys don’t happen to shoot the lights out, the offense is going to struggle.
Outside of a big trade, which would seem virtually impossible given what the Warriors have to offer, the only hope for them to be more potent on the offensive end is for Lee to get healthy and show some of the ability to shoot from mid-range and face-up guys that he has in the past. Unfortunately, it seems like playing against western conference 4s every night has been a rude awakening for him, even before Bitegate. Much of his success in the past is probably attributable to him being guarded by slow, plodding eastern conference centers.
In summation, I miss Gilbert and J-Rich, and I’m gonna go ahead and start frequenting draft websites a little early this year. Sigh.
Amnesty for all immigrants! Boycott Arizona! RIP GURU
by The Bimbo Coles Experience on Dec 19, 2010 11:45 AM PST up reply actions
So Reggie can't create his own shot?
And Lee can’t ?
by GovernorStephCurry on Dec 19, 2010 8:57 PM PST up reply actions
Monta was awful in the 1st half
And went off in the 2nd. I really wish Lee could give us more than 13 on 5-11, were paying him to get 20 and 10 with above 50% shooting. Not below 45% with 15 and 10. I think this game sorta showed why DW is a borderine starter/great 6th man. He can do a lot of things but isn’t a good percentage shooter. He needs to tighten his game then he can be a lefit starter on a legit team. Udoh should have gotten some burn in the 1st half when we were sucking, it couldn’t have hurt. We need to see what he can give us eventually, not just 5 minutes spurts at the end of games.
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, stop screening for Monta. He’s better without them, it’s okay to do it every now and then but not ever single time. It’s what killed the last play, he broke Mathew’s ankle but Lee tripped over him on the screen clogging up the open driving lane which was the design so he had to step back and shoot over Aldridge. We win this with Curry easily, I don’t think not having Beans hurt too much since our offense was why we lost and it’s not like he’d have helped there.
"There is nothing like a wise phrase or quote to help convince others that your decision makes sense." - Anon
"If you're ever in a fair fight, then your tactics suck." ಠ_ಠ
Face-It, The front office is a bunch of moronic ball sack scratchers
The hair caught in the finger nails gets in the way of the cognitive thinking skills. The owner is gonna have to fire the bunch and reload with newbies to the area.
Do you really think anyone could have done significantly better inheriting Mullin’s mistakes? Look at the roster. Even including the expiring contracts, there really aren’t any moves left but to blow up the team.
Having said that, it is insane that Rowell is still with the team. Surely Lacob realizes what a universally hated figure this guy is. The way he handled Mopedgate should have sealed his fate long ago. Off with his head!
Amnesty for all immigrants! Boycott Arizona! RIP GURU
by The Bimbo Coles Experience on Dec 19, 2010 11:51 AM PST up reply actions
re: it is insane that Rowell is still with the team
The only thing we actually know about Robert Rowell is that he signed that Stephen Jackson deal which he should have never been allowed to be in a position to do. We know nothing of his non player/person “business” skillz. As long as they put a fire-wall between him and personnel moves, we shouldn’t give a crap one way or another since we lack the information to intelligently excrete.
Do you really think anyone could have done significantly better inheriting Mullin’s mistakes?
Exactly.
I am not a testicle.
by bloodsweatndonuts on Dec 19, 2010 12:15 PM PST up reply actions
re: what what we know about rowell
During Mopedgate, Rowell was the genius that initiated the push to nullify the rest of Monta’s contract. As it was also commonly accepted that his role was essentially to do Cohan’s bidding, there’s no way of knowing who’s idea this was. However, we can be certain this was a horrible decision creating an even worse image of an already maligned organization.
It boggles the mind that Lacob would want a guy best known for severely mishandling a high-profile situation and being a Cohan lackey to stick around.
Amnesty for all immigrants! Boycott Arizona! RIP GURU
by The Bimbo Coles Experience on Dec 19, 2010 12:35 PM PST up reply actions
Re: Voiding Monta's contract
However, we can be certain this was a horrible decision creating an even worse image of an already maligned organization.
I’m not sure that was such a bad idea. It pissed Monta off, but did that make him play worse? Was that why he didn’t want them to draft Curry? Wasn’t it Monta’s underlying immaturity that caused him to ride the “moped” (if you belive the “low speed moped” bit) in the first place? Did attempting to hold him accountable make him more immature?
I know Mullin and Nelson were against that move but pissing off a player just makes Nelson’s job harder and it’s not Nelson’s money so of course he’s opposed to it. Mullin was a notorious players’ guy as evidenced by all of the ridiculous contracts he handed out.
I am not a testicle.
by bloodsweatndonuts on Dec 19, 2010 4:28 PM PST up reply actions
Let me put it this way: No legitimate organization worth it’s salt would participate in the kind of grandstanding. Trying to void a player’s contract sends an extremely bad message to the rest of the league. What high profile player wants to go to a bad team, with already questionable management, that tries to void the contract of their most coveted player? That move was bush league, and most likely was the brainchild of Cohan, a notoriously litigious, paranoid nut-job. Regardless of how I felt about Monta at the time, I was far more upset with the organizations response.
Amnesty for all immigrants! Boycott Arizona! RIP GURU
by The Bimbo Coles Experience on Dec 19, 2010 6:04 PM PST up reply actions
That move was bush league, and most likely was the brainchild of Cohan, a notoriously litigious, paranoid nut-job.
I get your point about Cohan having a fetish for litigation, and possibly making other players not want to come here. But I don’t think trying to punish a player for basically asking you to pay him $11m for sitting, rehabbing and then playing his way back into shape for the rest of that lost season is necessarily “bush league”. Especially since it was all because Monta needlessly violated his contract.
Monta put himself and the front-office in that situation, not Rowell. Maybe it would have been smarter to just let it go but I can understand wanting to punish the player for such an irresponsible and, ultimately, destructive act.
We’re also talking about a player who relies on his quickness, speed and hops to “do what he does”. Nobody knew at the time whether or not he’d ever come back to be as good as he was before signing the contract. I’m not sure whether or not the ankle is all, none or part of the reason he’s never regained his efficiency from before the injury. There is certainly an argument to be made that Rowell should have voided the contract.
I am not a testicle.
by bloodsweatndonuts on Dec 20, 2010 1:30 PM PST up reply actions
Well...
The only thing we actually know about Robert Rowell is that he signed that Stephen Jackson deal which he should have never been allowed to be in a position to do. We know nothing of his non player/person "business" skillz. As long as they put a fire-wall between him and personnel moves, we shouldn’t give a crap one way or another since we lack the information to intelligently excrete.
There was also the mishandling of the Club 200 STH’s publicized here by BritWarrior in his reports from the season ticket holder meetings with Rowell. He and others raised a lot of good points about how he botched the non-personnel side of his responsibilities.
You can point to the overall results in ticket sales as a reason for Rowell to stay on, but there are reasonable arguments that the good sales are more driven by market size, demographics, quality of fans etc than anything Rowell has done.
I’m sure his “Sell! Sell! Sell!” attitude has helped move some tickets, but we all know that the only way to take full advantage of a market is to build a consistent winner. If they can do that, they might be well served to rethink the way they approach the fan-base. I’d love to see them move away from Rowell’s pushy sales gimmicks and start to rebuild trust with the STH’s.
by olympicmike on Dec 19, 2010 12:51 PM PST up reply actions
Thanks. I did not know about the STH stuff was specifically Rowell's doing.
I’d love to see them move away from Rowell’s pushy sales gimmicks and start to rebuild trust with the STH’s.
I don’t know if anyone, who’s job it is to separate you from as much of your money as possible, is going to ever deserve a lot of your trust. That may not be a realistic expectation.
I am not a testicle.
by bloodsweatndonuts on Dec 19, 2010 4:20 PM PST up reply actions
bloodsweatndonuts
hahaha
what the hell is up with your Sig line???
We have raw, young talent but they need to be balanced out by a hard ass who won’t accept lackluster ball.
-BayGiant11
by Duby Dub Dubs on Dec 20, 2010 11:05 AM PST up reply actions
Yeah Rowell doesn’t treat STH well. Very petty and dishonest. Just trying to get as much money as possible. Treated my dad and grandpa pretty badly when they had ST about 5 years ago.
by GovernorStephCurry on Dec 19, 2010 9:00 PM PST up reply actions
Here's the thing about the NBA versus MLB.
In MLB, one “can” win a championship without spending a lot of money, but one has to spend “some” money.
In the NBA, one MUST spend a lot of money to win a championship now. See what the Magic are doing and what the Celtics did. For the Warriors, we need to get a guy like Dwight Howard and then we’d have a shot. We need to get that superstar first. And no, his initials aren’t ME.
"Go ahead. Make my day."
However
You don’t just go willy nilly spending said money. The Warriors are not cheap, but they are awful when it comes to giving money to the right people.
The Golden State Warriors, we make Free Throws look difficult!
by Badly Browned on Dec 19, 2010 7:55 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I'm okay with spending on Gerald Wallace.
I’d dangle Monta for him. Maybe Jordan will decide to keep Captain Jack if Ellis goes to Bobs.
"Go ahead. Make my day."
How does it make any sense to trade away one quasi-star for another on a team with no chance of making the playoffs? This season is about treading water and trying to maintain good will for the ownership, nothing more. Hopefully they try to get something for the expiring contracts, but it’s not going to come close to a Gerald Wallace calibre player unless a team gets completely blown-up before the trade deadline.
I would put any amount of money on them letting the expirings walk to position themselves for the new (possibly hard)cap. In other words, we’ve got a lot of waiting to do.
Amnesty for all immigrants! Boycott Arizona! RIP GURU
by The Bimbo Coles Experience on Dec 19, 2010 11:57 AM PST up reply actions
Gerald's contract is a better one.
Wallace’s offense isn’t as good as Monta’s, but his defense would be much better. He makes less and has a year less on his contract. The real question would be: why would Charlotte do that?
I would, Monta and Steph isn’t the answer. Might as well fit a need elsewhere.
"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."
Yup. Gerald Wallace is a premier perimeter defender.
He would help with the slow down play that the Warriors have, but if Smart gets fired, he can play the run and gun, too. Wallace would help the f/c score more and we’d still have firepower in the b/c with Curry and Wright. I think the Warriors look pretty good with this SL:
PG – SCurry
SG – DWright
SF – GWallace
C – ABiedrins
PF – DLee
I’d deal Monta and BWright for Wallace. What do you think?
"Go ahead. Make my day."
Reggie Williams has the highest 3 point % in the NBA for the month of December (min 30 attempts)
20-34 (.588). Just wanted to throw out some good news.
anybody think we should make a move for Patty Mills?
Bay area legend and native, always so exciting to watch, played like an absolute stud… why not? he can play a good sf too if we need it
Hmmm, Rusty Simmons article, talking about our terrible fastbreak execution these last few games.
The Warriors had a rare three-day break leading up to Saturday’s game, so they used practices to go back to the fundamentals and study video of flubbed breaks. Their next four games are against .500-or-worse teams, and Curry is hoping to return during the stretch.
We still looked absolutely horrible on the break last night, ugh.
The Golden State Warriors, we make Free Throws look difficult!
Law’s missed reverse lay-up comes to mind.
And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who would attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know my name is Monta Ellis when I lay my vengeance upon thee.
Yeah IIRC, we had a 3 on 1 there
To quote Barnett, just gotta make that a 2 on 1.
The Golden State Warriors, we make Free Throws look difficult!
by Badly Browned on Dec 19, 2010 8:42 AM PST up reply actions
Missed the game
anyone know why Udoh got no run? especially with Beans hurt?
Because our head coach goes by the name of Keith Smart.
by FromtheBaytotheBayState on Dec 19, 2010 10:54 AM PST up reply actions
Early in the game we were getting killed and he should have gone in
No idea why he didn’t, it couldn’t have hurt but late in the game we made a great comeback so we had no reason to change the lineup
"There is nothing like a wise phrase or quote to help convince others that your decision makes sense." - Anon
"If you're ever in a fair fight, then your tactics suck." ಠ_ಠ
Especially when we have a matador in DLee.
We NEED someone on the other side of him that can defend. Gadz is a liability on offense, tho he did play okay last night with 5+ rebs. Still, Udoh looks like our next best Big after Lee and Biedrins. Let’s get him out there coach!
"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."
BAD recap
Kobe Bryant, Kevin Durant, Dwayne Wade, Manu Ginobli, Lebron James, Paul Pierce, Michael Jordan, Larry Bird, etc.
What does being a point guard have to do with wanting the ball in their hands as time is winding down?
This was probably the most exciting game of the year so far, I don’t know what you’re talking about. The reason we’ve been flubbing the fast breaks is because we don’t run them enough and the players don’t feel comfortable. Last night showed some signs that Keith Smart is beginning to understand that this team NEEDS to run as much as they can every game in order to win. There were more fast breaks in the second half of that game than there had been all year.
by WheresMyChippy on Dec 19, 2010 11:53 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
!?!??!?!?
1) What are you on?
2) Can I have some?
Horrible game. If that’s your version of exciting, head down to the nearest HS for some JV girls hoops: Where amazing happens.
Amnesty for all immigrants! Boycott Arizona! RIP GURU
by The Bimbo Coles Experience on Dec 19, 2010 12:00 PM PST up reply actions
?
1) OG Kush
2) $40 an 8th
Horrible first half. From midway through the 3rd q on it was very exciting. Lots of fast breaking resulting in a big comeback culminating in a final shot to win or lose.
Yeah, that’s what I call exciting. I was very, very excited for the entire fourth quarter.
by WheresMyChippy on Dec 19, 2010 1:46 PM PST up reply actions
Take a few days off the pot and re-watch that garbage. That, or hook me up! I’m so out of the pot loop these days I find myself getting super-annoyed with stoned people, which is quite a commitment in the Bay Area. I guess now I know why my GF gets so pissed when I partake…
Amnesty for all immigrants! Boycott Arizona! RIP GURU
by The Bimbo Coles Experience on Dec 19, 2010 6:10 PM PST up reply actions
gf's are such a downer...=(
"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."
I thought the last part of the game was kind of exciting
Exciting doesn’t equal good basketball in our case, but just the fact the Warriors were in a position to win a close game in crunch time got me kind of excited
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by Tom Huddlestone on Dec 19, 2010 7:50 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
for real
without even having to look back I can easily recall Monta nailing a 3 to put us up at the half against the TWolves and making a driving layup against the Jazz to close out quarters recently. Getting his pocket picked by Miller was really bad, but overall he’s a better option at the end of a quarter than most teams have. AB1 will take any opportunity he can get to take shots at Monta. Forget the fact that he was able to get to the line repeatedly in the 4th and knock down his free throws. That was a huge factor in getting us back in the game last night.
How many times can he write something that starts with something along the lines of “It was funny back when the Warriors lost Baron and everyone thought we’d hand the team over to Monta”? It feels like there is something along those lines in every other post. He’s worse than Fitz when it comes to repeating himself.
Re: He’s worse than Fitz when it comes to repeating himself.
Nobody is worse than FItz in that regard. If Fitz wasn’t doing it on purpose, I’d diagnose him with a learning disability.
I am not a testicle.
by bloodsweatndonuts on Dec 19, 2010 12:17 PM PST up reply actions
If you going to give Monta credit for getting us back in the game last night ...
… don’t you also have to give him blame for putting us in the hole with missed shots and turnovers early?
This^^
"It ain't Chinese algebra. If you get stops and you execute on offense, normally that team wins." - Tony Allen
"One thing LeBron James has won that Kobe Bryant never has, and never will: A bronze medal."- Josh Tucker
I like how Monta was clutch and all
when he was drilling 3’s in the end of the half of the Wolves game, Jazz game, Clippers game etc.
And he missed 1 shot and he’s a choker.
Warriors “fans” are the best.
Yeah. Because Monta's only missed one shot ...
Actually, I’ve had concerns about his clutchness all year, when in some early games he gakked both FTs late in a couple of games when we were trying to hold off big comebacks.
I had concerns
about his clutchness last year. One of the worst end of quarter/half decision makers out there.
I'll sell this vacant lot and settle down in a place I've only read about in books about Miles Davis.
by Reverend_Randy on Dec 19, 2010 5:37 PM PST up reply actions
Seriously...
Eveyrone, repeat after me:
MONTA = LOW BASKETBALL IQ
I’d really rather have Reggie with the ball in his hands in crunch time situations, since he actually knows how to make a basketball decision regarding whether to shoot it or pass it to an open man. Monta in crunch time = put head down, take a few dribbles and throw up a low percentage fade away.
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by Tom Huddlestone on Dec 19, 2010 7:52 PM PST up reply actions
"Sloppy, boring, and bad" this may be the theme of our squad this year. We need someone to learn to play PG.
Monta has a lot of turnovers, but at least he isn’t tossing one handed passes everywhere like he is a high school kid playing on the playground.
Let’s face it guys, we have 2 undersized SG’s and one of them needs to learn how to play PG, fast.
Otherwise a trade is immenent.
Also, Dorell Wright is not Stephen Jackson, he can’t create his own offense, so let’s stop letting him do that. Although, with no real PG on this team, I can’t blame coach Smart for trying it out.
What’s with the injuries? Abdenour has some how won trainer of the year in this league. I don’t understand how that is even possible. Maybe the last 3 or so seasons have just allowed me to forget that he was ever good?
To add, Smart has said we don't have the players to play that uptempo offensive style all the time, so he wants to play defense first.
Apparently we don’t have the players to do that either.
Nearly 100 points to a Blazers team that had lost like 12 of 14 or something and they were without their best offensive threat. Sad….
David Lee messed up that last play, looked like Monta was gonna go left, Lee came up and set a screen that could've been blown for a foul...
then Monta was all out of wack. Still he should have recognized that he had LMA on a switch with 3.4 on the clock, that’s more than enough time for Monta to get to the rack. In his defense, that is the first potential game winning shot he has taken in his whole career, at least to my knowledge.
that is the first potential game winning shot he has taken in his whole career, at least to my knowledge.
I believe he has taken a handful and I know he made one back when Baron was still here. It was a corner 3, and it was pretty awesome considering that was when he was terrible at shooting 3s.
by samuraaaaiiiiiii on Dec 19, 2010 1:50 PM PST up reply actions
Second.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YmqUijrvyqQ
Well, he’s 1 for 2
by WheresMyChippy on Dec 19, 2010 1:51 PM PST up reply actions
Ah, it was a deep 2, but that is the play that I remembered.
by samuraaaaiiiiiii on Dec 19, 2010 1:57 PM PST up reply actions
We played best with Vlad and Lee in front court
Vlad’s generally sucked this year but not tonight. He did what we actually thought he could do (shoot outside, pass). Notice how him on perimeter opened up a lot of space for DLee on those hi-los which is where he’s best
I still maintain trading Biedrins for a player like Channing Frye would make us a better team.
Cause we went smaller in the second half and ran it more.
Smart should just scrap his half court motion $#!t ball. Our half court sucks. I’d still like us to play better defense, but on offense we need to up the pace.
The last couple years I may not have been a Nellie supporter, but now I really wish we kept him for one more year. I’m sure he would’ve made the games a lot more competitive and find the mismatches to exploit.
"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."
Yes and no
DLee when he plays with Biedrins has found it harder to go to rim because that forces two defensive bigs to stay home. Contrast that to playing center (or lone big man) for NYK. There’s only one big on him who he is typically athletic enough to beat to rim without the help d of a stretched out PF.
Seriously, aside from Lakers or Spurs, how many teams really use two stay at home bigs? NBA teams typically have 1 guy stretching and other in post for spacing.
No wonder you want Channing Frye. Ha.
That’s a lot to cater around a guy who is a fring-y all star calibre player. Is C really the only position to play Lee?
"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."
the inept offense sabotages the d
when one of the slowest teams in the west, Por, scores nearly 3x the fast break points as the oaktowners, it points not just to the obvious (and season-long) problem on transition d, but how out of synch and inefficient the offense is. Missed shot with players in poor court position and turnovers are great ways for the opponents to charge up their breaks.
Nelson got slammed constantly for making Smart the defensive coordinator, but it served to keep him out of the offense. Last season it was Roth who designed plays for the offense on the sidelines when they took time outs to set up a last shot.
Music is the Healing Force of the Universe (a.ayler)
I really think we are one player and new coach away from probably being a playoff team
Trade biedrins for a player with characteristics similar to Vlad (but actually good). Have a coach like D’antoni or Gentry or Nellie and push the tempo. Curry will thrive. Monta will thrive, Lee will definitely thrive.
by tafkasam on Dec 19, 2010 3:37 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Trading Beans for a wing is not going to make us better unless that wing is fantastic.
I thought last night’s game was a great reminder of the value of Biedrins. Our interior defense, overall, has been much better with him on the floor this year.
Did we get killed inside more than normal last night?
by samuraaaaiiiiiii on Dec 19, 2010 4:39 PM PST up reply actions
I'd say there's a good chance we'll get killed inside almost every night.
No matter who the other front court players are.
"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."
They also didn't have their starting C
and I don’t remember seeing Przybilla. They were mostly playing their undersized Pfs there.
I'll sell this vacant lot and settle down in a place I've only read about in books about Miles Davis.
by Reverend_Randy on Dec 19, 2010 5:39 PM PST up reply actions
to add to it
Both there PFs (Aldridge and Cunningham) love to shoot outside. Aldridge will mix it up more in the post but still, this wasn’t like facing the lakers or dallas or san antonio in the post.
Disagree
I saw no difference in last nights D and with Biedrins on a regular basis.
But it’s more about the offense. I don’t see Lee ever being optimized offensively with Biedrins, because he’s not overpowering enough to go inside with 2 bigs.
And simply put this team won’t win on defense. We have too many liabilities on defense. Actually do we have ANY above average defenders? Maybe Dorell…
So yeah, if we want to keep the core (I’m in favor) we need to build to the 3 best players (Monta, Curry, Lee) strengths and run a system that maximizes them.
What about Beans for Josh Smith?
Obviously that isn’t all we’d offer but still, we’d be able to run up and down better, better defense, better offense, more potential and we don’t lose much on the boards
"There is nothing like a wise phrase or quote to help convince others that your decision makes sense." - Anon
"If you're ever in a fair fight, then your tactics suck." ಠ_ಠ
We’d lose a fair bit on the boards. Smith is closer to Dorell Wright as a rebounder than he is to Biedrins.
More importantly: what else do you propose we offer that will make ATL even consider this trade?
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on Dec 19, 2010 8:38 PM PST up reply actions
2 ideas (I honestly don't know what they want so I'm just guessing, give or take picks)
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=3242kqe
or
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=32uvztm
Then for the sake of getting a center…
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=336z4t8
"There is nothing like a wise phrase or quote to help convince others that your decision makes sense." - Anon
"If you're ever in a fair fight, then your tactics suck." ಠ_ಠ
regardless
I hope we are in fact chasing guys like Josh Smith and Gerald Wallace
we need some fricken defense around here!
We have raw, young talent but they need to be balanced out by a hard ass who won’t accept lackluster ball.
-BayGiant11
by Duby Dub Dubs on Dec 20, 2010 11:08 AM PST up reply actions
With Keith Smart
we obviously don’t play any offense. We wait until 5 seconds left on the shot clock and then have Amundson or Gadzuric shoot a 15 foot jumper. We don’t play any defense. Opposing teams get point blank looks at the rim consistently. At least with Nelson when we lost we lost scoring 120 points.
I miss you Don Nelson.
I miss the offense
But I don’t miss the putting players in the dog house, off court controversies, arguments, losing the locker room, lack of defensive effort , laziness, and “I don’t even care” attitude
"There is nothing like a wise phrase or quote to help convince others that your decision makes sense." - Anon
"If you're ever in a fair fight, then your tactics suck." ಠ_ಠ
putting players in the dog house – Randolph? The dog house is where dogs belong.
off court controversies – Created by TK
arguments – Monta has admitted he was wrong if that’s what you’re talking about
losing the locker room – False.
lack of defensive effort players
laziness and "I don’t even care" attitude – More of a “I know this season is lost to injury so I’ll just do the best I can anyway, besides its just a game” attitude
by WheresMyChippy on Dec 20, 2010 11:31 AM PST up reply actions
Does anyone really think the Magic are getting better with their recent trade?
The fact they got Lewis is terrific, considering he has been awful since that year he went to the finals. Then again, the reason they got to the finals in the first place was Lewis’s ability to draw the opposing 4 out of the paint because of his ability to knock down jumpshots.
JRich is going to be the same player he was in Phoenix, probably with less usage. Upgrade over Carter, but still not that elite one on one scorer/closer they really need. Anyone who believes Arenas will be the closer/and or will be happy with a 6th man role is out of their mind. Bringing back Turkoglu is a nice idea but that guy is WAY over the hill now.
I’d say they certainly have more depth than the Heat now, but the Celts/Heat and possibly the Bulls are still better than the Magic in the East.
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by Tom Huddlestone on Dec 19, 2010 7:56 PM PST reply actions
Meh
There are whispers of Dwight looking at terminating his deal after next season and look at other teams if ORL doesn’t pull it together. I think he’s going to leave. They won’t win a title , they did what the Cavs did, get fading stars (Shaq and Tawn as to Hedo and JRich). I’d trade for a decent player with a contract that expires in 2 years right now if I were Riley. BW and Gaz for Posey?
I’d save up now but not dismantle the team, just get enough to offer a max. So trade Beans and use our expirings to get guys with a 2 year deal and maybe get Dwight
"There is nothing like a wise phrase or quote to help convince others that your decision makes sense." - Anon
"If you're ever in a fair fight, then your tactics suck." ಠ_ಠ
We could actually offer Howard a pretty sweet gig. Let him pick his coach, big market, good young PG…
by samuraaaaiiiiiii on Dec 19, 2010 9:00 PM PST up reply actions
We'd have 4 potential all stars in our starting lineup
Imagine if we got Josh Smith, Wllace or Iggy without losing Curry, Lee or Ellis..
PG: Curry
SG: Ellis
SF: Iggy
PF: Lee
C: Howard

"There is nothing like a wise phrase or quote to help convince others that your decision makes sense." - Anon
"If you're ever in a fair fight, then your tactics suck." ಠ_ಠ
On a relatively related note....
Over on the Bobcats blog one of the more popular guys over on that site said they’d do Beans, BW and Gaz for Wallace……
Please, I want a good xmas present.
"There is nothing like a wise phrase or quote to help convince others that your decision makes sense." - Anon
"If you're ever in a fair fight, then your tactics suck." ಠ_ಠ
dang
maybe we’re missing something
seems like a pretty low trade value for Wallace!
We have raw, young talent but they need to be balanced out by a hard ass who won’t accept lackluster ball.
-BayGiant11
by Duby Dub Dubs on Dec 20, 2010 12:09 PM PST up reply actions
Do it Riley!!!!!
The Golden State Warriors, we make Free Throws look difficult!
by Badly Browned on Dec 20, 2010 8:16 AM PST up reply actions
ppffttthht (rasberry fart mouth sound)
We could actually offer Howard a pretty sweet gig
He wants a championship contender…before he came to the team
I wish that was us
We have raw, young talent but they need to be balanced out by a hard ass who won’t accept lackluster ball.
-BayGiant11
by Duby Dub Dubs on Dec 20, 2010 11:10 AM PST up reply actions
Reggie Williams or Steph Curry should have the ball in crunch time.
by GovernorStephCurry on Dec 19, 2010 9:02 PM PST reply actions
has Curry made a clutch play?
EVER? And I mean tied the game or won the game?
Has Reggie?
has Curry made a clutch play?
Of course he has. If you don’t think so, then I can’t agree with your definition of clutch. It’s a pretty silly thing to argue over, but if there is a ‘clutch-factor’ then Curry has as much of it as anyone on our roster.
by olympicmike on Dec 19, 2010 10:17 PM PST up reply actions
Nobody is clutch on our roster.
We never win close games.
/argument
by HerFavColor on Dec 20, 2010 12:11 AM PST up reply actions
I hear biedrins is pretty clutch with the ladies
/solution
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by GrayDilla on Dec 20, 2010 12:58 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
GSW sure has lost many close ones
over the past 3 seasons too!
GSW can’t deliver 90% of the time in the clutch.
Off the top of my head he was pretty clutch at Dallas early last year.
HIt a dagger 3, then a floater over Dirk to keep the lead extended.
Then of course the season finale game against Porland he was pretty clutch throughout the 4th.
"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."
Yes
Curry won the TOR game for us.
The Golden State Warriors, we make Free Throws look difficult!
by Badly Browned on Dec 20, 2010 8:17 AM PST up reply actions
To be fair . . .
Chris Bosh deserves some of the credit for that one. He came up huge for the Ws in the closing seconds, if that wasn’t clutch, I don’t know what is.
I am not a testicle.
by bloodsweatndonuts on Dec 20, 2010 1:39 PM PST up reply actions

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