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RECAP #28: Golden State Warriors 117, Sacramento Kings 109- Why Rivalries Are Fun + All I Want for Christmas

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You've got to love rivalries. When you have two of the worst teams in the west going against each other, you've got to look for ways to make things interesting, and until about halfway through the fourth quarter it was looking like just another ugly, boring game that was in need of some sugar coating. The Kings couldn't shoot, and the Warriors couldn't rebound. After another third quarter collapse, and a series of costly mistakes in the fourth, it looked like any attempt at a Warriors comeback would fall short. Then with about, oh, I don't know... 19.3 seconds left in the fourth, something strange happened.

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O RLY?

(Thanks to Sleepy for finding this pic on StR)

It was right around this time when the universe flipped on its head for a few minutes and Vladimir Radmanovic became the most clutch player known to man. Yeah, it was weird. The Warriors were fouled shooting the three twice in a row, but didn't fully cash in on either opportunity. Fast forward a few possessions and things were looking bleak when Reggie stepped back up to the line down four. He made the first, and missed the second (as he should have in that situation) and thanks to Cousins knocking the ball out of bounds after the missed free throw (he must have been too busy trying to clear an obstruction from his airway) the Warriors had one final shot at OT. Personally I wasn't expecting much when I saw the ball end up in Vlads hands, with two seconds left, and 28 feet away from the basket, but that didn't stop me from jumping off my couch when he drilled the shot.

Monta absolutely took over the game in overtime, and it was fun to watch. With all of the excitement of the run late in the fourth, and Monta's OT domination you could almost forget that this is only the second win we've seen from this team in December and only the fourth since November 11th. Not to mention we were going up against a Kings team that has only won five games all year. Let's enjoy the win, but with the next game being on Christmas day this is our last chance to make our Christmas list for ol' St. Jean - I mean Nick. Or maybe it would be a better idea to address it directly to Joe Lacob, because apparently he checks his mail, and even writes back!

Drop your Warriors Christmas List in the comments and we'll see if Mr. Lacob and his elves can deliver this season.

For me, I'll keep it simple for now:

  1. A healthy Andris Biedrins, and Steph Curry - This is kind of like when your parents would ask you what you want, and you'd say something like "I already have so much! I just want to spend time with our family and enjoy all the things that we've already been blessed with." Sure, it's a nice thing to ask for, but let's face it, you won't be happy if all you get this year is to enjoy stuff that you already had.
  2. Defensive help on the roster - I think this is a reasonable request. I'm not sure if we will end up making a move with some or all of our expiring contracts, but if we do make a trade I'd like to get someone back who is a consistently good defender. After seeing Udoh's impact in the last two games (is it me, or was Lee trying way harder on D in the first half tonight? Udoh effect?) I'm reminded that we just need better defenders on this roster to balance out all of the offensive minded players we have now.
  3. A new Head Coach - This is kinda like putting and iPad on my Christmas list. Sure it's something I want, but I don't actually think I'm going to get one, and despite how much I'd like one it would probably be better to wait a few months until there are better options on the market anyway.

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I could probably give this to Monta for his OT heroics, or to Reggie for scoring and rebounding well enough to help keep us in the game, but considering that this will likely (hopefully) be his only chance to take home the award this season, I've got to give tonight's Warrior Wonder to...

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Vladimir Radmadovic

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I really wish I had watched this game!

Hopefully a highlight video will surface soon!

Disaster averted, and the basket converted!

by Deimos24 on Dec 22, 2010 1:26 AM PST reply actions  

rewatched the last minutes in the 4Q

DMC very immature.

He was doing the choke sign after the Reggie miss FT.
Then he tried doing it again on DWright!
After a FT made by Udrih, Cuz shoved Udoh to the floor. Smart called a time out and Cuz was looking at the Dubz bench yelling “WUT?”

… such a punk

by Monta THE Boss on Dec 22, 2010 3:43 PM PST up reply actions  

Wow

that’s the greatest VladRad pic ever

"It ain't Chinese algebra. If you get stops and you execute on offense, normally that team wins." - Tony Allen
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by steffun4tw on Dec 22, 2010 1:36 AM PST reply actions  

Yup

So much emotion in that picture. I’m loving the red light in there, too.

by Precise Films Productions on Dec 22, 2010 4:56 AM PST up reply actions  

+1

Then again… what other Vlad pics are there to choose from?

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by JonDoe on Dec 22, 2010 9:59 AM PST up reply actions  

god damn..

Don't Trade Monta
Bush is on Fire!
Huff likes it raw

by JohnnyDangerously on Dec 23, 2010 12:17 PM PST up reply actions  

All I want

- A all star SF without losing either of our guards

- Udoh to get 25 minutes a night

- DW to shoot consistently

- Dwight Howard

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by dubzfan on Dec 22, 2010 1:53 AM PST reply actions  

For this Xmas

I want the warriors play D and Rebound better

by sfniners4life on Dec 22, 2010 2:39 AM PST reply actions  

CRAP

I thought the thread title was a joke. I turned off the game when they went down by 4 with like 12 seconds left. Stupid me.

by Evanz on Dec 22, 2010 3:49 AM PST reply actions  

It's ok...

It’s games like last night that remind you to never make that same mistake again. I don’t blame you though. I don’t think anyone, Warrior fans included, thought we’d come back and win. I also don’t think ANYONE thought that Vlad shot at the end of regulation was going in either!

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by JonDoe on Dec 22, 2010 10:03 AM PST up reply actions  

I felt bad

for the couple of Warriors fans at Arco that I saw leaving early..

by Warrior Mentality on Dec 22, 2010 10:30 AM PST up reply actions  

Good game.

Heard there was a fight between a Warriors fan and a Kings fan at Arco after the game, too.

by Precise Films Productions on Dec 22, 2010 4:54 AM PST reply actions  

Inside Sources Have Informed Me!

After Vlad’s awesome game, he is planning a meeting with Robert Rowell today to negotiate a 5 year, 37 million dollar contract extension.

by Hoopachoo on Dec 22, 2010 5:06 AM PST reply actions  

With his agent, Stephen Jackson.

by samuraaaaiiiiiii on Dec 22, 2010 12:56 PM PST up reply actions  

That picture of Vlad is my new Facebook profile picture.

Priceless.

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by Zorgon on Dec 22, 2010 5:22 AM PST reply actions  

I want our team to get healthy and play better. We’re more talented than we’ve shown thus far. I want to see it, because we’re sure not playing like it. A W is a W, but come on, we shouldn’t need OT to beat the worst team in the NBA.

by Missing Barry on Dec 22, 2010 5:37 AM PST reply actions  

if healthy we have the talent

I’m willing to say Sacramento had better talent in there starting 5 last night without Curry and Biedrins, for one if they played we beat Portland saturday night, if dracula never bit Lee we probably don’t drop 3 of those games during his spell out. That’s a 4 game swing right there (conservative in my opinion) which would make us 14-14 instead of 10-18.

I hate to blame injuries, but when you lack real depth like the Warriors do, losing a player like Curry or Lee can be fatal.

by tafkasam on Dec 22, 2010 7:11 AM PST up reply actions  

True.

True, Its just hard to see that perspective.

Biedrins is a big loss too considering we are are playing with less possessions.

Don't Trade Monta
Bush is on Fire!
Huff likes it raw

by JohnnyDangerously on Dec 23, 2010 12:29 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't think there's a single player on the roster who has had a better-than-reasonably-expected season.

Monta looked like he was early, but couldn’t keep it going. Curry has clearly struggled with the ankle injury and hasn’t played as well as he did at his best last year. Dorell has been too streaky. Lee’s jumper was flat even before the injury. Biedrins hasn’t overcome his psychological problems when it comes to free throws. Reggie has been far, far worse than he was last year, looking lost on offense. Brandan was been nonexistent even when he gets minutes. Lin belongs in the d-league.

Udoh and Amundson are, at best, incompletes at this point.

I know the thin bench hurts, but when every single player on the team is underperforming, that’s got to mean the coach is underperforming, too. So let’s add him to the list.

by Ronaldinho on Dec 22, 2010 2:14 PM PST up reply actions  

but this could just as easily be seen as a cause for hope, right?
I don’t think there’s a single player on the roster who has had a better-than-reasonably-expected season.

Can we all be so wrong? So far off about the potential of our players?

Maybe there is some silver lining here because I do feel like it’s not too unreasonable to expect our guys to improve

I don’t dispute any of the points you made, but it’s still pretty early in the season. A nice little win streak or two would change our answers to all of these questions by the end of the season, I hope

We have raw, young talent but they need to be balanced out by a hard ass who won’t accept lackluster ball.
-BayGiant11

by Duby Dub Dubs on Dec 22, 2010 2:29 PM PST up reply actions  

boy has SPRINGS

I just wish you could see where the hoop is, because it looks like he is UP there

and look at those eyes!

We have raw, young talent but they need to be balanced out by a hard ass who won’t accept lackluster ball.
-BayGiant11

by Duby Dub Dubs on Dec 22, 2010 2:31 PM PST up reply actions  

10-18

doesn’t sound that bad if we can get healthy and get on a little winning streak.

by GSdubsfan41 on Dec 22, 2010 5:51 AM PST reply actions  

Sounds a lot better than 9-19, for sure. Still, a fairly tough hole to climb out of. On the bright side, right now there look to be only 5 teams out of reach: SA, DAL, LAL, OKC, and UTA. Denver and NO are borderline out of reach, depending on Paul’s health and what Denver decides to with ’Melo. That still leaves one spot more or less in play. The race for #8 as it stands…

POR 15-14 —
PHO 13-14 1
HOU 13-15 1.5
MEM 12-17 3
GSW 10-18 4.5
LAC 8-21 7

Ugly, but not hopeless if we can get healthy quick. A solid home win v. Portland on Christmas, and the race is on.

There will be no extra point!

by Sleepy Freud on Dec 22, 2010 8:41 AM PST up reply actions  

We are getting Curry back in time for key stretch

v. Portland
v. Phili
@ atlanta
@charlotte
@miami
@ orlando
@ new orleans
v.Cleveland
@Clippers
v. Lakers
v. Clippers
v. New JErsey
v. indiana
v. sac
@clippers
v. san antonio
v. new orleans
v. Charlotte
v. utah

to end of january…. we have to go atleast 12-7, if we can pull a couple upsets and get 14 wins out of that stretch though, I feel we might have a playoff push in us. If we end up with only 9 or 10 wins though, I think we can more or less right off any shot at playoffs entering february and consider moves in a different direction

by tafkasam on Dec 22, 2010 8:58 AM PST up reply actions  

cont'd

Really the key will be weathering the storm through that brutal southeast road trip and hopefully taking atleast charlotte game (for sure beating Portland and Phili), then we have to take advantage of stretch where basically we’re at ohme bar 2 games in LA.

I don’t want to look ahead too much but Portland and Phili games are pretty crucial. We enter that road trip 11-19 or 10-20 and we’re in BIG trouble.

by tafkasam on Dec 22, 2010 9:00 AM PST up reply actions  

hahahaha!!

dude, we are already in big trouble

without Vlad’s miracle last night, we woulda lost to the Kings

We have raw, young talent but they need to be balanced out by a hard ass who won’t accept lackluster ball.
-BayGiant11

by Duby Dub Dubs on Dec 22, 2010 10:15 AM PST up reply actions  

I’d like to find 12 wins in there…but realistically I see about 8-9. We just aren’t good enough as presently constructed to have any hope of “upsetting” anyone.

Sittin in my scraper watchin Oakland goin wild, ta-dow!

by Supafishal on Dec 22, 2010 10:54 AM PST up reply actions  

That’s a reall pessimistic view. There’s always a chance of beating anyone, and right now, I’d say that it’s a real chance to beat everyone on that schedule excep the Lakers, Spurs and Heat.

by Missing Barry on Dec 22, 2010 10:57 AM PST up reply actions  

MY opinion:

v. Portland
v. Phili
@charlotte
v.Cleveland
@Clippers
v. Clippers
v. New JErsey
v. indiana
v. sac
@clippers
v. new orleans
v. Charlotte

Games we have a great shot to win…..

Thats 12. The thing is a) we can’t falter at home to a team like indiana or in la v. clippers and b) need to find a couple games to steal like v. utah earlier

by tafkasam on Dec 22, 2010 2:11 PM PST up reply actions  

Inidana is playing some suprisingly decent ball these days

We have raw, young talent but they need to be balanced out by a hard ass who won’t accept lackluster ball.
-BayGiant11

by Duby Dub Dubs on Dec 22, 2010 2:33 PM PST up reply actions  

agreed

but we should take them AT home… we have to if we wanna compete for playoffs…

by tafkasam on Dec 22, 2010 3:55 PM PST up reply actions  

i like how this stretch looks in the middle:

v.Cleveland
@Clippers
v. Lakers
v. Clippers
v. New JErsey
v. indiana
v. sac
@clippers

and 12 wins doesn’t seem all too far off. Those alone could be an 8 game win streak if the warriors really fight and find a momentum. plus there’s philly and two charlotte games which could put it up to 11. Give or take one more game if we’re lucky, then 12 games is a little likely. NOH has fallen off a bit too so that may be good for the Dubs

this is clearly being optimistic though.

by lameallenmark on Dec 22, 2010 11:39 AM PST up reply actions  

on nba.com

Top 5 plays of the night last night, we were 1 AND 2!

by dannyschmanny on Dec 22, 2010 6:20 AM PST via mobile reply actions  

Sweet!

Makes sense though, considering most of the other games were blowouts.

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by Zorgon on Dec 22, 2010 6:51 AM PST up reply actions  

LOL, I bet Demarcus felt really silly doing that. Vlad finally comes through as he is having an abysmall season. He haas not been right since the left the Bobcats. It’s strange b/c Golden State’s run and gun system fits his game ferfectly.

by Jeffrey Thompson on Dec 22, 2010 6:55 AM PST reply actions  

My XMas List

1. Being hired as new GM/head coach (yes I’m going there…)
2. A Healthy Curry/Biedrins
3. A big man to stretch the floor like Vlad on a good night (read: basically only last night)
4.A back up PG
5. Wing who can create and defend
6. A late growth spur for Monta and Lee
7. Rogaine for Beards for Curry

Is that too much?

by tafkasam on Dec 22, 2010 7:09 AM PST reply actions  

If I had to pick among those, I’d take #6. If Monta were 6-6 and Lee were 6-11, I’d feel a lot more confident about this team going forward.

Number 2 will probably be under the tree by Christmas. Numbers 3, 4, and 5 would be nice but aren’t game-changers, imo. I can live with Acie, Carney, and Vlad for 3-5 minutes a game.

Number 7 may not be necessary. I didn’t have that much more stubble than Steph when I was 23; nowadays, if I chose to grow it out, I’d probably have close to the full Baron.

As for #1 … Hm. I’m pretty OK with the job Riley has sone so far, but I think I’d consider you as a replacement for Smart…

There will be no extra point!

by Sleepy Freud on Dec 22, 2010 9:17 AM PST up reply actions  

*
If Monta were 6-6 and Lee were 6-11

(and both had proportional Rondo arms…)

There will be no extra point!

by Sleepy Freud on Dec 22, 2010 9:19 AM PST up reply actions  

Out of curioisty

You don’t think Monta’s size disadvantage would be negated if he was 6-6 with same proportions. Of course it’d be nice if he had the 6-11 rondo wingspan, but I’m more curious about the case study for this. a legitimate 6ft6 player with a 6ft6ish wingspan.

As for Lee, he measured out at 6-9 with a 7ft wingspan. So if he was 6-11 with a 7ft2 wingspan, I think that’s an elite offensive PF right there who is probably mucb better than currently defensively…

As for #1 … Hm. I’m pretty OK with the job Riley has sone so far, but I think I’d consider you as a replacement for Smart…

So you wouldn’t be in favor of me morgaging our roster for Channing Frye?

by tafkasam on Dec 22, 2010 9:27 AM PST up reply actions  

Steph's still young

let’s put him on the rack and stretch him out daily

We have raw, young talent but they need to be balanced out by a hard ass who won’t accept lackluster ball.
-BayGiant11

by Duby Dub Dubs on Dec 22, 2010 10:26 AM PST up reply actions  

Vlad should retire now. This is the best it will ever get.

Sittin in my scraper watchin Oakland goin wild, ta-dow!

by Supafishal on Dec 22, 2010 7:55 AM PST reply actions  

Jeez

Besides the stupid flagrant foul against Houston, Vlad’s been playing out of his mind. Have some gratitude for a player that’s actually giving his all

Curry/Lee/Monta= Wins

by danielholl on Dec 22, 2010 9:06 AM PST reply actions  

All this means is that Vlad will now play more. Granted, maybe he can actually make some treys for us, as that is the one thing he has been reasonably good at throughout his career, and that would help us. But by just about every other measure, his mistakes far outweigh the good things he does.

Sittin in my scraper watchin Oakland goin wild, ta-dow!

by Supafishal on Dec 22, 2010 10:58 AM PST up reply actions  

Hmmmmm

Vs. Sac +11 15pts, 8reb, 2ast, 3stl in 27 min
Vs. Houston +3 5pts, 5reb, 3ast, 1stl in 16 min
Vs. Portland +11 9pts, 2reb, 4ast, 2bs in 23 min

Now are those great numbers? No. Are they worth $7mil/yr? No. But are they good for Vlad? Yes. Are they needed when DWright is struggling, and Beans, Gadz and BWright are all out with injuries? Yes. Has he been playing well and helping bear the burdern? Yes.

Curry/Lee/Monta= Wins

by danielholl on Dec 22, 2010 5:28 PM PST up reply actions  

Ah, Vladimir.

This entire season I have hated his guts. Even this game, after his thrown-away pass/frustration 3 attempt I was lamenting how he had yet again KILLED the Warriors momentum.

But then Vlad made a key steal/dunk, bothered Cousins on the free throw miss, and rattled in a BIG shot that saved our bacon. Overall, I thought he played very well and being one of his haters, I feel like I have to give him his due. Great job Vladi!

"Morrow... That's a two pointer!"
-Kevin Harlan for the 22nd time during an NBA 2k11 exhibition

by don't leave Morrow! on Dec 22, 2010 9:13 AM PST reply actions  

I just looked up his stats...

Radmanovic is shooting 55% on 3’s for the month, and his 3pt % is all the way back up to 41% for the season. What a difference a month makes..

by jebinitay on Dec 22, 2010 9:36 AM PST up reply actions  

I feel like I have to give him his due. Great job Vladi!

 don’t encourage them . Wins like this one are the worst thing that can happen to a poorly constructed team, now they’ll think Vlad is a legitimate player and all is well. We’d have been better off if the refs had let Sacto had finish us off so our true colors are clear.

Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.

by Skeptic con Urquell on Dec 22, 2010 9:41 AM PST up reply actions  

In fairness, a lot of teams look “poorly constructed” when playing without their starting point guard and center. I doubt we lose the battle of the boards 56-48 if Biedrins plays his usual 30 minutes. (Seeing Carl Landry, an awful rebounder, feast on the boards was particularly galling). And though Monta is a spectacular scorer, his court vision and floor management leave a ton to be desired. Curry spreads the floor and manages the offense far more capably.

This team ain’t perfect, but it’s amply capable of regularly beating the bejeezus out of the Kings if all the starters are healthy. It’s true that one of the big problems with having a crappy bench is the falloff when starters get hurt; but then the crappy bench was the price we had to pay for upgrading our starting five. Decent bench players aren’t that hard to come by (we may have just found one in Udoh). And the starting five looks much more poorly constructed with Maggs and Randolph as the starting forwards, imho.

As for Vlad … I agree that if Smart’s take-home point from this game is that Vlad is a highly effective player, we could be in trouble. I think Keith’s a bit smarter than that … but only a bit. Still, I’d guess the incalculably huge morale boost this game gives the team going forward is worth a lot more than any possible distortion of our “true colors.”

There will be no extra point!

by Sleepy Freud on Dec 22, 2010 10:08 AM PST up reply actions  

, I’d guess the incalculably huge morale boost this game gives the team going forward is worth a lot more than any possible distortion of our "true colors."

but when we win games we shoulda lost they start thinking that’s the way to win more games so they delay fixing the problems. sorta like the housing bubble and the big meltdown.

Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.

by Skeptic con Urquell on Dec 22, 2010 10:23 AM PST up reply actions  

What is the deal with Carl Landry, by the way. He just keeps getting worse as a basketball player…

by Missing Barry on Dec 22, 2010 10:23 AM PST up reply actions  

As for Vlad

played almost 30 minutes last night, but really, he’s only taking minutes away from Carney, Bell, and Lin, so…

With the great Redemption shot though, Vlad just validated one of the biggest questionable early-season rotation choices that was bringing heat down on Smart.
I bet they are now officially BFFs

they are probably going to ride to all the games together

We have raw, young talent but they need to be balanced out by a hard ass who won’t accept lackluster ball.
-BayGiant11

by Duby Dub Dubs on Dec 22, 2010 10:29 AM PST up reply actions  

played almost 30 minutes last night, but really, he’s only taking minutes away from Carney, Bell, and Lin, so…

Yep. He’s only taking minutes away from Carney, Bell and Lin. Carney has showed a bit of promise but I am fine with keeping Bell and Lin on the bench.

"Morrow... That's a two pointer!"
-Kevin Harlan for the 22nd time during an NBA 2k11 exhibition

by don't leave Morrow! on Dec 22, 2010 11:05 AM PST up reply actions  

Well Put

I was going to write something similar, but you said exactly what needed to be said. He had the best game as a warrior. Pretty much the shot of the season. I don’t know if Vlad expected it to go in? He looked surprised himself. I congratulate him on a great game.

by brewitt on Dec 22, 2010 9:59 AM PST up reply actions  

Anyone have a link to the Warriors call of the Vladdi buzzer beater?

Or of Monta’s dagger lay-in?

The Golden State Warriors, we make Free Throws look difficult!

by Badly Browned on Dec 22, 2010 9:18 AM PST reply actions  

I haven't found one yet.

Neither gumbyorpokey nor viseasonclips1011 has uploaded any highlight videos.

by IQofaWarrior on Dec 22, 2010 11:40 AM PST up reply actions  

Other thoughts:

I feel like a genius after picking the less-ballyhooed Ekpe Udoh in the Homer Heat Check poll. Udoh was decent again tonight. He didn’t score, but he didn’t miss any shots either. He grabbed 5 defensive boards for us that we desperately needed. And he managed to block 3 shots again in similar minutes. Two turnovers wasn’t great, but we expected that.

Cousins forced shot after shot when he wasn’t hot. He couldn’t pull in the key rebound off Reggie’s missed free throw. As that sweet picture shows, he choked it for the Kings down the stretch when Udrih should have been getting his looks.

Monta was shooting well again tonight and got 7 assists, 4 steals, and 1 block (?). He was clutch tonight in overtime. That is a big change from what I have been used to seeing, which is a 4th quarter fatigue-induced collapse. Nice layup for the highlight reel.

Psssssst. Those referees were completely INSANE. There were many plays where I thought Cousins was totally hacked by our much smaller defenders who shouldn’t have been able to force many misses. Plus, I enjoyed the 8 free throws right at the end. I don’t think Reggie got fouled and I don’t think the foul on the first 3-point shooter was real either (sorry I don’t remember who shot it).

But last night we were able to take advantage of our gifted calls and win the game. Reggie’s miss at the end was exactly (from what I have been taught) the correct spot to aim to miss his free throw, and once we got a little help, we finished off the Kings with authority.

And, oh yeah, it was just the lousy Kings that we barely forced overtime against.

"Morrow... That's a two pointer!"
-Kevin Harlan for the 22nd time during an NBA 2k11 exhibition

by don't leave Morrow! on Dec 22, 2010 9:27 AM PST reply actions  

So are you saying that Udoh, right now, is better than Cousins, and thus is the player we should rather have? What about the age difference…? Do you expect Udoh, right now, to be better than Cousins will be in 3 years (when Cousins is the same age Udoh is now)?

by Missing Barry on Dec 22, 2010 9:41 AM PST up reply actions  

I wasn't impressed at all by Cousins

I have three small children and some of the pouting done on the court and the stubborn tantrum-like post moves by Cousins were eerily similar.

I think three years from now Cousins is going to be what he is now = Big & Dumb. With all the squealing by Cousins I’d be surprised if he’s still in the league in three years. I guess if the coach wants to be his mommy then it might work out? Who knows?

Honestly, I haven’t seen him all year, but from this sample I’d say he’s a 7 year old in a 19 year old huge body.

I’ll take a more mature Udoh. Cousins has too much baggage. He’s go too much to prove. Chips on the shoulder could be a great motivator, but also they can lead to utter disaster. With Cousins I expect disaster before greatness.

by brewitt on Dec 22, 2010 10:07 AM PST up reply actions  

With Cousins I expect disaster before greatness.

Sounds to me like you’re coming to really definitive judgments without very much good information at all. Sure, it’s reasonable to think it’s a possibility that he goes the Derrick Coleman route, but to expect it based on your own interpretation of a little bit of body language? And yeah, Udoh is more mature. He’s 3 years older! Of course he’s more mature. Cousins will mature as he gets older. He’ll also get better as a basketball player. Those are two things that just….well, they just happen for almost every person. I think you’re going wayyyyyyyyy overboard on this, out of the league in 3 years? Really?

Dude, Cousins is a third of a way into his rookie year. Just recognize that. If we judged every player on what they did 1/3 of the way through their rookie year….well, nobody would be very good….

by Missing Barry on Dec 22, 2010 10:28 AM PST up reply actions  

I think you’re going wayyyyyyyyy overboard on this

my specialty

by brewitt on Dec 22, 2010 3:26 PM PST up reply actions  

it also helps that udoh is more fit

who knows….. udoh may be in the leauge 3 years longer than cousins anyway

by ACcurry on Dec 22, 2010 12:43 PM PST up reply actions  

I think three years from now Cousins is going to be what he is now = Big & Dumb

I havent been impressed with Cousin’s continuing issues as reported plus the imature choke antics last night….however you may regret those words as he be a big impact player…..this is a 20 year old rookie center who is starting with nearly 12 pts and 8 rebounds average.

by Only In Fairfax on Dec 22, 2010 3:27 PM PST up reply actions  

…will be a gig impact player in three years..

by Only In Fairfax on Dec 22, 2010 3:28 PM PST up reply actions  

..big I mean….no more holiday cheers for me.

by Only In Fairfax on Dec 22, 2010 3:29 PM PST up reply actions  

It is my honest opinion that Udoh is a better fit for this team than Cousins. I am saying that he is the player we should rather have not only because he is better now, but because Cousins seems to be the type of head case maniac that has plagued our teams in the past.

In 3 years, I think Cousins will still be a crazy dude.

"Morrow... That's a two pointer!"
-Kevin Harlan for the 22nd time during an NBA 2k11 exhibition

by don't leave Morrow! on Dec 22, 2010 11:00 AM PST up reply actions  

But who will be the better basketball player? Does whatever crazy factor outweigh basketball talent? We were pretty tame personality wise in the late ’90’s/early 00’s, only once we had the likes of Baron/Jack and Co. did we actually see some success…..

by Missing Barry on Dec 22, 2010 11:48 AM PST up reply actions  

It is hard to say.

I tentatively choose Udoh as my favorite between the two although Cousins may develop.

Also, if Jack hadn’t had whatever crazy factor, he would still be with us and starting over Dorell. So I am biased against the crazy factor.

"Morrow... That's a two pointer!"
-Kevin Harlan for the 22nd time during an NBA 2k11 exhibition

by don't leave Morrow! on Dec 22, 2010 12:27 PM PST up reply actions  

I like Udoh a lot but…..a crazy major impact center in the future doesnt sound bad to me.

by Only In Fairfax on Dec 22, 2010 3:31 PM PST up reply actions  

Cousins seems to be the type of head case maniac that has plagued our teams in the past.

 Haha, The plague of skills? You do know some of the best players we’ve had over the years are the craziest? Wilt, Barry, Spree, Hibachi,Jax, etc?

Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.

by Skeptic con Urquell on Dec 22, 2010 3:20 PM PST up reply actions  

It wouldn’t be that bad if we had guys like Russell, Bird, Duncan, etc.

Being a great player does not mean being crazy. I don’t see a cause/effect relationship there. It has just happened.

"Morrow... That's a two pointer!"
-Kevin Harlan for the 22nd time during an NBA 2k11 exhibition

by don't leave Morrow! on Dec 22, 2010 3:37 PM PST up reply actions  

Being a great player does not mean being crazy.

nor does it mean Cuz won’t be a great player. He’s putting up good rookie numbers and has size and skill to go a lot further. The craziness is just icing on the cake, the choke gesture for instance was very funny. One college game he made the phone me gesture to the fans who’d been harassing him.It’s called personality.

Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.

by Skeptic con Urquell on Dec 22, 2010 4:06 PM PST up reply actions  

He’s putting up good rookie numbers

Actually, he’s putting up pretty crappy numbers: .467 TS, 3.5 tov/36, 5.8 pf/36, -9.8 plus-minus (ranking him the worst player on a terrible team).

The craziness is just icing on the cake… [snip]

Just … wow. You actually think making the choke gesture at a fellow athlete’s misfortune is “funny” and charming, Skep? Even Kings fans were appalled by it. Are you just trolling, or is your moral compass actually that broken?

There will be no extra point!

by Sleepy Freud on Dec 22, 2010 4:27 PM PST up reply actions  

You actually think making the choke gesture at a fellow athlete’s misfortune is "funny" and charming

 Yeah,this is a game played for entertainment and it was very funny. I think you are taking it too seriously old man :>)

Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.

by Skeptic con Urquell on Dec 22, 2010 10:06 PM PST up reply actions  

oh cmon

Reggie did that to spike lee. And let’s not get into jordan, bird and others trash talking. It’s so par for the course in the NBA.

Cousins had a stupid grin on his face, he wasn’t being malicious. He was being immature and stupid.

And fact it backfired just makes it amazingly funny

by tafkasam on Dec 23, 2010 7:23 AM PST up reply actions  

Reggie did that to spike lee.

Totally different situation. Spike had been playfully taunting Miller all game; and is a non-athlete celebrity who willingly — gleefully — entered into a trash-talking contract with Miller. By contrast, Reggie Williams is a quiet, demonstrably cool and respectful fellow player who hadn’t even been guarding DMC, let alone taunting him. If you really don’t see how the former is high-level entertainment and latter is straight Bush League, I don’t know what to tell you.

And let’s not get into jordan, bird and others trash talking. It’s so par for the course in the NBA.

Well, for one thing, Jordan and Bird, from day one of their NBA careers, showed they had more than enough to game to back up whatever trash they chose to talk. As a rook, Bird helped turn a terrible team to 60-win team basically overnight. Jordan put up 28/6/6 (on .592 ts) while electrifying the world and transforming the way the game was marketed. Cousins’ NBA career thus far consists of being the worst player on the worst team in the league. Beyond that … I don’t recall Bird or MJ ever flashing the choke sign at a backup former D-leaguer who wasn’t even guarding them.

And fact it backfired just makes it amazingly funny

Well, sure, it adds to our pleasure as Ws fans that he got his comeuppance. But suppose the Kings had won? Would you have been totally cool with it then? Bush league is bush league, regardless of results. I think it’s particularly lame that DMC, the next day, still thinks that the only reason it was uncool was that Kings didn’t win. I’m not sure he deserves a fine or a benching, but he clearly deserves the scorn of fans and fellow players.

What do you think Reggie Williams thinks of the gesture? You think he (or anyone else on our team) would ever do the same thing?

There will be no extra point!

by Sleepy Freud on Dec 23, 2010 8:32 AM PST up reply actions  

What do you think Reggie Williams thinks of the gesture?

he’s probably laughing his head off since it backfired.

Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.

by Skeptic con Urquell on Dec 23, 2010 8:49 AM PST up reply actions  

That’s probably true.

From our perspective, it’s now funny that Cousins is an immature, classless choker / loser / joke.

Somehow I imagine that’s not the way he’d like to be perceived by his fans and fellow players.

There will be no extra point!

by Sleepy Freud on Dec 23, 2010 9:34 AM PST up reply actions  

Somehow I imagine that’s not the way he’d like to be perceived by his fans and fellow players.

  I went to the next kings game after the incident and Cuz got a warm reception when he came in. The fans even started a “bullshit” chant aimed at the refs when they called an offensive foul on Cuz.
  His big problem seems to be a game plan that puts him in the wrong position to maximize his talents, plus Evans is playing with some health and personal proplems so he’s not drawing the focus of the defense like he should.

Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.

by Skeptic con Urquell on Dec 25, 2010 5:54 PM PST up reply actions  

His big problem seems to be [snip]

Well, since you’ve been slobbering over Cousins since well before the draft, touting how great he was and how great the KIngs would be with him, it’s only natural that you would look to blame anyone but him for his problems. Sure, Evans has been horrible and Westphal seems to have been a terrible choice for Head Coach. That doesn’t change the fact that Cousins has been acting like a knucklehead and playing like crap. How well did Cousins bounce back in the game you saw? Open your eyes, man!

There will be no extra point!

by Sleepy Freud on Dec 25, 2010 7:50 PM PST up reply actions  

Refs
Psssssst. Those referees were completely INSANE. There were many plays where I thought Cousins was totally hacked by our much smaller defenders who shouldn’t have been able to force many misses. Plus, I enjoyed the 8 free throws right at the end. I don’t think Reggie got fouled and I don’t think the foul on the first 3-point shooter was real either (sorry I don’t remember who shot it).

Yeah, I was not impressed with the crew last night. I have to say that this season I’ve been noticing the refs way more than I should, if you know what I mean. I’m having to put a good amount of effort into not writing about them.

by olympicmike on Dec 22, 2010 9:55 AM PST up reply actions  

Refs

Is it just me, or does it look like Monta is starting to intentionally draw contact to get foul calls?

Seems like a lot of his shots, he is so quick that no one can even touch him. If he wants to get the call, he’s got to take it into the body of the defender more….Over the last two games, it looks to me like he is starting to do this

We have raw, young talent but they need to be balanced out by a hard ass who won’t accept lackluster ball.
-BayGiant11

by Duby Dub Dubs on Dec 22, 2010 10:20 AM PST up reply actions  

Yeah I've been noticing it too.

And his FT’s are becoming more consistent.
Just add a good record and he’ll be an all-star.

by Dr Jay23 on Dec 22, 2010 10:36 AM PST up reply actions  

Well, that will raise Monta’s TS% and maybe get some GSOMers off of Monta’s back.

It may seem a little cheap, but he is only doing what other players are doing.

"Morrow... That's a two pointer!"
-Kevin Harlan for the 22nd time during an NBA 2k11 exhibition

by don't leave Morrow! on Dec 22, 2010 11:10 AM PST up reply actions  

Well, that will raise Monta’s TS% and maybe get some GSOMers off of Monta’s back.

It’s not about getting GSoMers off his back. Getting to the line more often will improve his game and help us win. That’s the whole point, right? It’s not cheap at all, it’s just part of the game.

The thing that I’ve liked is that Monta seems to be learning how to get the contact early and then still separate after the whistle to get his shot off cleanly. He’s getting a lot of foul calls early, before he gets up in the air, which is a lot easier on his body than going up and getting contact at the rim where the chances of taking a punishing fall are a lot higher.

If he can do that consistently it will help his game quite a bit. Defenders would eventually learn that they can’t body him up as much on the way to the basket, and that would open his drives up quite a bit. We’ll see if he’s just been getting a kind whistle, or if he’s adding another aspect to his game. His FTA’a have risen steadily over his career, so I wouldn’t be too surprised if this is something he continues to improve on.

by olympicmike on Dec 22, 2010 11:40 AM PST up reply actions  

Yes. You are right. Sorry, I guess I am just a little peeved by Monta-bashers on this site. You are right that what is important is helping us win.

I like that Monta is getting to the line more.

"Morrow... That's a two pointer!"
-Kevin Harlan for the 22nd time during an NBA 2k11 exhibition

by don't leave Morrow! on Dec 22, 2010 11:47 AM PST up reply actions  

Calling us Monta bashers makes it sound like we're not actually talking about his play.

You’ll notice that most of us were full of praise for him early in the season, when he was playing well.

You do reecognize that his play has been different after the first ten or so games of the season than it was before, don’t you?

by Ronaldinho on Dec 22, 2010 2:17 PM PST up reply actions  

I think we all want the same thing here

Monta needs to play better, more consistently

The core disagreement around here seems to be whether or not Monta’s efficiency is directly caused by him being a crappy player, or if it is because he is carrying too heavy of a burden (either by design, or selfish/stupid on court decisions)

We have raw, young talent but they need to be balanced out by a hard ass who won’t accept lackluster ball.
-BayGiant11

by Duby Dub Dubs on Dec 22, 2010 2:38 PM PST up reply actions  

Giving credit...

I’m happy to give Monta props. He’s back up to above average scoring efficiency, and he’s improved his turnovers, steals, and assists a smidge from last year. He’s getting to the line more often than ever and he’s having his best year from beyond the arc. I’m not sure what reasonable expectation were for him, but I’m still pretty happy with his play considering the circumstances.

I think it could get even better when Curry gets healthy, because I really do think he’s best playing more off the ball. He’s not the star that some wish he was, but he’s a good player who is putting up a good effort this year. He’s still got plenty of holes in his game, but I’m not going to hold him to superstar expectations. He isn’t a top level scorer, and I’m not going to ‘bash’ him for it, but I hope that management and ownership do have a good understanding of his limitations and how to best utilize him moving forward.

by olympicmike on Dec 22, 2010 2:42 PM PST up reply actions  

I’m not sure if it was just the last couple of games or so, but Monta looked great when someone passed the ball to him and he immediately shoots a mid-range jumper. Much better than his jumpers from isos. Circling the 25th hoping we could see Curry getting that assist.

by Prince.Charming on Dec 22, 2010 6:30 PM PST up reply actions  

Why would Monta care about having a GSOMer on his back anyway? It’s not like any of these opinions carry any weight. Unless I’m missing something? This is just a blog isn’t it? It isn’t a monolithic stone that will be preserved for all eternity.

by brewitt on Dec 22, 2010 3:43 PM PST up reply actions  

Actually...
It isn’t a monolithic stone that will be preserved for all eternity.

We do have a guy carving all this stuff into slabs of granite. He’s pretty far behind though. I think he might get through We Believe by next Christmas.

by olympicmike on Dec 22, 2010 4:01 PM PST up reply actions  

We pay him the big bucks, and he just takes it for granite…

There will be no extra point!

by Sleepy Freud on Dec 22, 2010 4:29 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

My list

1.) More games against the Kings, Clippers, and T Wolves. In fact, if we could play every game against these teams, that would be great. Thanks, Santa!

We have raw, young talent but they need to be balanced out by a hard ass who won’t accept lackluster ball.
-BayGiant11

by Duby Dub Dubs on Dec 22, 2010 9:37 AM PST reply actions  

Just when I thought Vlad couldn't do anything dumber...

after he turned the ball over again after a rebound late in the 4th quarter, he goes and does something like this, and totally redeems himself!

Probably is a bad sign how excited I got about on overtime win over the worst team in the league, but I really don’t care right now. To quote Herm Edwards, “Let’s build on this!”.

Loved Monta screaming at Reggie before overtime “He’s got 5”. Needed him to make sure Udrih fouled out. And it was good to see Monta get to the line a bunch again last night. Probably would have been better served passing the ball on a couple of those breaks in OT, bull all’s well that ends well.

by sjsnider on Dec 22, 2010 9:38 AM PST reply actions  

Curry's absence

I am a big fan of Steph and cannot wait to have him back, but actually his absence did a lot of good. We’ve got AC, Reggie looks much more comfortable playing now. We have seen again that Monte is not a point guard and team’s offense tested more other options. It should help a lot when Curry is back. One worry now is the consistent rotation and Ekpe development. He did not shoot the ball because he was told so. This is again from Nelson’s playbook. We can have a great PF, if coaches will do their job developing talent.. Just imagine having Lee, Udoh, Brendan, Vlad playing better. We can be a contender for any title.

by Ambal on Dec 22, 2010 10:14 AM PST reply actions  

My List

I wish Santa Could bring me:
1) a healthy Andris Biedrins and Stephen (should be pronounced “Steven”) Curry
2) Keith Smart to have this team running
3) Acie Law, Lou Amundson, and Dan Gadzuric to stop chucking.
4) Monta to stop reaching and calling it defense
5) David Lee to make some shots
6) Reggie Williams to play something remotely resembling defense
7) the whole team to start making free throws
8) the whole team to get to the free throw line more
9) the whole team to stop fouling (or fouling less) the other team
10) The refs not to suck so much
11) Dorell Wright to finish better at the rim
12) Monta Ellis to make the All-Star team
13) Lucky # Vladimir Radmanovich to make a game winning shot again

by brewitt on Dec 22, 2010 10:15 AM PST reply actions  

and change SJax’s name to Steffin

"Morrow... That's a two pointer!"
-Kevin Harlan for the 22nd time during an NBA 2k11 exhibition

by don't leave Morrow! on Dec 22, 2010 11:06 AM PST up reply actions  

Lou

fouled out in 13 minutes?
no points
2 blocks and 3 rebounds

I guess I’ll take it though.

We have raw, young talent but they need to be balanced out by a hard ass who won’t accept lackluster ball.
-BayGiant11

by Duby Dub Dubs on Dec 22, 2010 10:24 AM PST reply actions  

That could've been a technical.

DMC didn’t show a lot of good basketball IQ on that one nor in the 4Q nor through parts of the game. I think we’ll be comparing Ekpe Udoh to DMC the rest of the year. I could be wrong, but think Udoh has the bigger wing span.

"Go ahead. Make my day."

by callahan on Dec 22, 2010 1:31 PM PST up reply actions  

but think Udoh has the bigger wing span.

Nope….DMC wingspan is 7’-5.75" and standing reach is 9’-5".
             Udoh wingspan is 7’-4.5" and standing reach is 8’-4.5"

by Only In Fairfax on Dec 22, 2010 3:42 PM PST up reply actions  

Thanks.

DMC is an awesome specimen.

"Go ahead. Make my day."

by callahan on Dec 23, 2010 11:26 AM PST up reply actions  

What a punk. I hate him.

by brewitt on Dec 22, 2010 3:28 PM PST up reply actions  

Lulz

Bochy & Co. -- Your 2010 World Series Champions

by GrayDilla on Dec 22, 2010 4:58 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

1) Get a legit 3
2) Get a legit C
3) Execute offense

The last one is a stretch but SANTA MAKE IT HAPPEN PLEASE

by placid on Dec 22, 2010 12:35 PM PST reply actions  

i dont mind udoh as the center..... wait 10 games for him to develop

but about the SF….. some of the trades ideas for gerald wallace and desagna diop seem interesting……. we even get diop to back up udoh

 also the warriors seemed to execute offense yesterday pretty well

by ACcurry on Dec 22, 2010 12:51 PM PST up reply actions  

Centers take years to develop for the NBA, e.g. Dwight. I'd like to see him bigger before moving him to C.

Udoh looks like he can play C in the NBA, but he needs to get bigger in order to take the pounding. Even Dwight took a while to develop. If we’re going to trade with Orlando, then we should keep AB until we can make an offer for Dwight in 2012. The Magic do not look good with that trade. Sorry to say that Gilbert Arenas trade made them worse imho. I liked Gilbert when he was here, but he’s a different cat now.

"Go ahead. Make my day."

by callahan on Dec 22, 2010 1:39 PM PST up reply actions  

Centers take years to develop for the NBA, e.g. Dwight. I’d like to see him bigger before moving him to C.

This is one of the most pervasive but untrue myths. Centers who wind up being good almost always showed that they would be good early on. Guards are more likely to show steady improvement over time.

Comparing Udoh to Howard is a fairly specious comparison. Udoh is in his mid 20s. Howard was 19. And he didn’t take years to develop. Howard was also a double double performer as a rookie. At 20 in season 2, he was already beastly.

by jae on Dec 22, 2010 2:08 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

the knowledge has been dropped

rec’d
and thanks for the heads-up

But still, if given the minutes, don’t you think Udoh could average a double double? With blocks and points?

We have raw, young talent but they need to be balanced out by a hard ass who won’t accept lackluster ball.
-BayGiant11

by Duby Dub Dubs on Dec 22, 2010 2:46 PM PST up reply actions  

Do you?

I’m not sure about Udoh at all yet. He’s only played 56 total minutes, but if you want to go by his super SSS so far he’s only averaging 4.5 pts 8.4 reb and 3.9 blk per 36 minutes. I wouldn’t really make any talent evaluations from such a small group of minutes, but he’s not putting up nearly the kind of studly numbers that studly bigs do. If you want any hope of him being a truly high caliber big we should see evidence of it this season.

by olympicmike on Dec 22, 2010 3:03 PM PST up reply actions  

yeah, that was tongue in cheek

I’m not making predicitons yet.
I like what Udoh has shown, but geez, its a little early to be drawing conclusions about his career

I must admit though, tht blocks are probably my favorite aspect of the game, so yeah, I am developing a special place in my heart for the Nightmare

We have raw, young talent but they need to be balanced out by a hard ass who won’t accept lackluster ball.
-BayGiant11

by Duby Dub Dubs on Dec 22, 2010 3:53 PM PST up reply actions  

Oops...

Just saw that you said Blocks and points. That should have tipped me off, but I thought you said rebounds.

by olympicmike on Dec 22, 2010 4:04 PM PST up reply actions  

I'll say it again for those who missed it. Centers take years to develop in the NBA.

Udoh, even if he was bulkier, would not be ready. It’s not just age and maturity, but having to learn all the intricacies and not getting beat up and hurt in the process. The PG position may be the toughest mentally, but the C position is the toughest physically.

"Go ahead. Make my day."

by callahan on Dec 23, 2010 10:18 AM PST up reply actions  

dude?!

did you not read jae’s response

Centers who wind up being good almost always showed that they would be good early on.

and

Howard was also a double double performer as a rookie. At 20 in season 2, he was already beastly.

Not that I dispute your point about Udoh not being ready (I would agree – he still looks very raw on the offensive end; and his rebounding is not looking so good so far)…but you pretty much just completely ignored evidence supplied by one of the most reliable sources on this site and then just re-assert your position…even though your example was just shot down

Comparing Udoh to Howard is a fairly specious comparison.

We have raw, young talent but they need to be balanced out by a hard ass who won’t accept lackluster ball.
-BayGiant11

by Duby Dub Dubs on Dec 23, 2010 10:31 AM PST up reply actions  

I did read it and he was saying it was a myth. Second, I did not compare Udoh to Howard.

I was using Dwight as an example of someone who was a prime candidate (Shaq would be another). At the time, the more developed big man was Emeka Okafor. One had to judge Dwight based on his raw talent like people are with Derrick Favors. Not easy to do even then, but easier to see Dwight’s raw talent compared to other center prospects. I’ve seen some really good big men prospects first hand at Stanford and they are usually cocksure mothers. They have what it takes to back it up, too, when you see all those moves they have and how they can make you silly in the paint. However, once they get to the NBA, it’s a different story for these marveled specimens.

Then there are the guys who aren’t as coordinated and they look like their clothes don’t fit. They look that way because their clothes don’t. Manufacturers don’t make their exact size for the masses. A lot of the prospects come this way than the guy who looks and plays like Dwight or Shaq. Regardless, it takes years to develop these prospects for the NBA and one cannot be quick to judge good or bad. If the guy has size, then it helps if he goes to college and gets the basics training there and learn the fundamentals all over again. Hasheem Thabeet is a good example. I’m sure there’s someone who has scouted him and still believes he can be a good center. I dunno, but if someone has seen and followed him for years, then I’m willing to take his word of jae’s.

"Go ahead. Make my day."

by callahan on Dec 23, 2010 10:46 AM PST up reply actions  

Let me tell you about guys like jae whom I see in NBA fantasy league.

Troy Murphy. He’s become a dub-dub machine and is a lock in NBA fantasy leagues. He should be picked up in all leagues, but he hasn’t been getting any run because of Coach Napoleon. AJ says he’s out of shape. AJ says he’s not bringing his game from practice to the real one. So we all see dub-dub Troy on the waiver wire. Next thing you know, Coach Napoleon plays him a few minutes and guys like jae rush to pick him up. A few days later, they drop him. That just makes me smile inside. LOL.

Does it mean Troy has suddenly gone soft or Coach Napoleon is an megalomaniac a-hole? No. It means Coach Napoleon is doing his job. And his job is to see Murphy doesn’t get hurt. That’s the name of the game over in NJ, but tomorrow after Troy plays a few minutes, I’m sure another guy will pick him up :).

"Go ahead. Make my day."

by callahan on Dec 23, 2010 11:35 AM PST up reply actions  

LMAO, this is an unreal response. Frickin epic.

I am going to get me some butter and popcorn.

I predict JT will never breathe through his nose.

by wallywagon11 on Dec 23, 2010 11:39 AM PST up reply actions  

That you talk about “guys like jae” in a fantasy league indicates that you know nothing about me.

But thanks for playing. We’ve got some wonderful parting gifts for you.

by jae on Dec 23, 2010 12:21 PM PST up reply actions  

That seriously might have been one of my favorite responses to one of your comments

It’s like talking checkers when everyone else is talking about chess.

I predict JT will never breathe through his nose.

by wallywagon11 on Dec 23, 2010 12:45 PM PST up reply actions  

this is almost too easy man
I did read it and he was saying it was a myth

a couple of points here:

1.) Not to be condescending, and I know it’s just the internet, but if you don’t know a word, you should really look it up

Specious – an argument that appears good at first view but is really fallacious
…and in case you need this one too:
Fallacious – tending to deceive or mislead

2.) Not saying it was a myth. He was saying that it seems like a good argument but that the underlying notion is flawed.

3.) and then you came back with

I’ll say it again for those who missed it. Centers take years to develop in the NBA.

but what he said initially is that while yes, centers do take years to develop, the ones who are going to be good indicate it pretty early on

Centers who wind up being good almost always showed that they would be good early on.

you seem to be saying that it is nearly impossible to tell if a big man is going to develop or not, and jae is telling you that:

a.) the data says that by the time these guys hit the NBA, you can tell how high their development will take them in most cases (yes, not all the time, but mostly)

b.) the specious thing: Udoh is already 23, so that’s like Dwight now (actually Dwight two years ago)…you can’t really use that as an example because Dwight and Udoh have been bulking up for the last few years at about the same rate

the funniest thing to me is that I’m not even sure what we’re talking about anymore…my guess at this point is that you are both arguing that Udoh is not ready to start for the Warriors yet

and finally, it’s totally understandable that you don’t know how to give weight to what different people say, but I think most around here would agree that jae is reliable source for stuff like this

 .

We have raw, young talent but they need to be balanced out by a hard ass who won’t accept lackluster ball.
-BayGiant11

by Duby Dub Dubs on Dec 23, 2010 3:10 PM PST up reply actions  

Rec'd for great info as usual.

One of my first exchanges with you here at GSoM way back in ‘07 was on this subject. This was before I was familiar with the Milsap Doctrine, or the idea of looking at per minute production. I’ve always admired your willingness to challenge the conventional wisdom and actually follow through with the research necessary to bring better clarity to a subject. Thanks Jae.

by olympicmike on Dec 23, 2010 5:07 PM PST up reply actions  

bit of a sidenote but

how insane has the improvement of Hibbert been. I am very well aware his is a bit of a freak case but holy crap he looks good without the baby fat.

I predict JT will never breathe through his nose.

by wallywagon11 on Dec 23, 2010 10:20 AM PST up reply actions  

Udoh seems to have the frame to develope.

From the overhead shots though he was looking kinda skinny compared to the others down low.

by Only In Fairfax on Dec 22, 2010 3:44 PM PST up reply actions  

also the warriors seemed to execute offense yesterday pretty well

Yeah getting down 16 against sac is excellent offensive execution.

by placid on Dec 22, 2010 1:47 PM PST up reply actions  

No way

Our offense would be worse with Larry Brown.

by Anonymous1337 on Dec 22, 2010 2:27 PM PST via mobile reply actions  

D.Howard and LBJ

Were both pretty skinny their rookie years compared to their bodies now, give Udoh time to get some muscle.

I like him though, boxes out and tries to rebound, defensive energy, shot blocking, exactly what we need.

by Anonymous1337 on Dec 22, 2010 3:54 PM PST reply actions  

But how old were Lebron and Howard as rookies?

Everybody’s frame thickens a little between 19 and 23. It’s pretty much unavoidable. When LBJ and DH were rookies, they hadn’t gone through that process yet. Udoh already has. Udoh has his fully-mature adult body – now maybe he can add some muscle to it, maybe he can’t. But those other guys, as rookies, were still, physically, adolescent.

Big, big difference.

by Ronaldinho on Dec 22, 2010 3:58 PM PST up reply actions  

Anyone have an archived replay of the game?

I watched it online…but I’m replaying the highlights and the final shot over and over, but i want to watch the 4th quarter again. I left in a depression to get beer during the 4th but they started to come back, I caught the end of the 4th and overtime…I think the beer helped

by BlackOfAllTrades on Dec 22, 2010 6:24 PM PST reply actions  

i got a copy.

i recorded the game and only thing i cared about putting online was the demarcus choke incident, ill put the entire 4th qtr up by tonight.

by LoGiiK on Dec 22, 2010 9:04 PM PST up reply actions  

xXxmas list, for you hardcore Warriors fans:

1) Health: If that’s not on the top of your list, you haven’t thought hard enough about it.

2) A PG: Monta or Steph needs emerge as a PG. I’m hoping it’s Steph. Monta is the better 2 guard and if one of them can’t play PG, one of them will be traded, and it will be the weaker SG. So here’s to somebody showing they can play PG. NO ONE HANDED PASSES!!! As a sub wish to the main wish itself.

3) Smarts: I would love to be able to watch a Warriors game that doesn’t end with a huge five fingered red imprint on my forehead. Seriously, turnovers are my main issue, that, and some of coach Smarts subbing patterns could be better. But these will likely improve if my first wish comes true.

4) Less O for DW: Love his ball handling, love his passing, love his stroke, hate when he has to create his own offense, it’s ugly. He’s like a poor man’s Stack Jack on offense, though he is encouraged to play like the Ol’ Capn. Dorell is not as versatile as Stephen Jackson. He is a better 3 point shooter, and that’s what he should be. A spot up shooter who makes defense his first priority. Any points that don’t come from open jump shots should be the result of put backs or fast breaks. I don’t want to see anymore pump fake 3’’s that turn into an awkward dribble, drive and shoot that clanks off the glass and/or iron in a most embarassing fashion.

5) WINS!!!!!!!!!!!: Much like my first wish, this should be on every Warrior’s fans wish list. A winning record for the rest of the year, even if it means a sub 40 win total. More wins and I’m happy. That’s only going to come with consistency. To me only 2 players have been playing consistant basketball all year, M8E and DLee, we need, at least, Steph and the bench as a whole to match that level on a game to game basis if we are to win more than we lose from here on out.

Merry X-Mas, don’t let being a Warriors fan get you down!!!!!!

by myk on Dec 22, 2010 10:33 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

Vladimir got the scouts watching. Some upcoming scouts think he’s a great trade. Perfect Christmas present for one of the worst teams in the West. Ha! Ha! , insiders have been talking of a possible Vlads trade!

Jordan Keeping the Basketball World in Suspense

by davidpark on Dec 23, 2010 5:09 AM PST reply actions  

Link?

I want to see that

‎"There is nothing like a wise phrase or quote to help convince others that your decision makes sense." - Anon

"If you're ever in a fair fight, then your tactics suck." ಠ_ಠ

by dubzfan on Dec 23, 2010 2:04 PM PST up reply actions  

I have a link

…but it’s to Trade Machine

here ya go:
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine

Blake Griffin for Vlad!

it totally works for both teams
we get Blake Griffin
they get the veteran leadership and deadeye game-winning shooting of Vlad “strong in the biceps” Radmanovic

sigh…I’ll miss you Vlad Rad

We have raw, young talent but they need to be balanced out by a hard ass who won’t accept lackluster ball.
-BayGiant11

by Duby Dub Dubs on Dec 23, 2010 3:15 PM PST up reply actions  

List

1. Lacob & Co. buy the Hornets
2. Every coach, front office employee, jersey font picker, etc. is released into the wild (Oakland?)
  2a. Warriors move to SF
3. Each Warrior player is replaced by their Hornet counterpart
4. We never speak of the years 1975 – 2010 ever again.

by GameSix on Dec 23, 2010 7:55 AM PST reply actions  

let me guess

Hornets fan?

We have raw, young talent but they need to be balanced out by a hard ass who won’t accept lackluster ball.
-BayGiant11

by Duby Dub Dubs on Dec 23, 2010 10:33 AM PST up reply actions  

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