Recap #29: Portland Trail Blazers 102, Golden State Warriors 109 - Merry Clutchness!
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Xmas-goodness after the JUMP!
Portland Props
I'd like to begin tonight's show by giving some just due to the Blazers. They were without Brandon Roy, Greg Oden, and Joel Pryzbilla but you didn't hear any excuses from Coach Nate McMillan or their fans. They play tough and smart and tonight was no exception.
It must hurt losing to the Warriors though.
As the ESPN commentators were commentating tonight (commentators commenting- you read my words for these type of insights) it's pretty shocking that Wesley Matthews wasn't drafted. This guy can play. He gets my vote for tonight's Warrior Killer.
Major props to one of my favs from that legendary 1996 NBA Draft class Marcus Camby. Do you realize this 36 year old still manages nearly 11 boards and 2 rejections a game in under 30 minutes? Tonight Camby was solid with 7 points, 13 boards, 2 dimes, 3 blocks, and 1 steal in under 24 minutes of action. I hate to question Coach Nate, but if Camby plays more tonight, the Warriors don't win. I'd say the dumbest mistake (of many dumb ones) of former New York Knicks GM Scott Layden's stint was trading Marcus Camby and Nene for Antonio McDyess back in 2002. McDyess was/ is nice, but he barely even played for the Knicks.
Should've never been traded from NY.
And course I can't give enough props to the Blazers Edge staff and community. Dave, Ben, and crew are real trail blazers.
Sean Marks is the man... Sean Marks is the man... Sean Marks is the man...
Sometimes U-Just-Doh
I just don't get it. Ekpe Udoh is really showing us something. He's way more polished than I could have ever imagined. He defends the rim unlike any Warrior big since... Adonal Foyle? He has a nice array of hooks and moves in the low post unlike any Warrior big since... Ike Diogu? He even has a knack for dishing the rock unlike any Warrior big since... well, it's been awhile.
I don't get why Udoh's playing behind Louis Amundson who hasn't shown all that much since returning from injury. I don't get why Udoh doesn't get any plays run for him, but Andris Biedrins gets a silly play run for him to open up every game to "boost his confidence".
This ain't Brandan Wright. This ain't Anthony Randolph. This ain't me doing an impersonation of the mostly low hoops IQ local and national media who just demand that a coach (read: Don Nelson) play a young draft pick without any basis other than their personal agendas. Udoh seriously needs more PT. He's earned it in my book.
Mo' PT PLEASE!
Return of the Curry
It's great to have Stephen Curry back. Unfortunately this was probably his worst game that I've ever seen him play. One of the league's best shooters simply could not put the ball in the bucket tonight. I'm a little shocked that the final boxscore reads that he has 11 dimes and only 2 turnovers. I didn't think his floor game was all that impressive either.
Steph was struggling.
Steph will be fine though. In fact I think he's going to come back with a monster outing. I can't wait to see how he plays this Monday against the Philadelphia 76ers. Coach Doug Collins and crew- you have been warned.
4th Quarter Clutchness
This is a game the Blazers probably should have won. This is a game the Warriors probably should have lost. But however you want to read it, give the Dubs and Coach Keith Smart their props for this W. It takes guts to have a star like Curry on the bench in favor of Reggie Williams, but with Steph struggling shooting tonight Coach Smart made the right decision that won them the game. The 11-0 Dubs rally was all about Reggie and of course Monta.
I've never seen 3 guys fight so hard to pick up a penny on the ground.
Tonight's Hits
- David Lee's midrange jumper. 8 for 11 shooting!
- Dorell (that's 1 R, 2 L's, and 1 joke that got old about a month ago) Wright's 4 for 4 performance from downtown.
- Ekpe's 3 swats in 16:21 minutes.
- The Warriors 90.5% shooting from the charity stripe.
- The Warriors D holding the Blazers to 42.3% FG and 27.8% 3pt.
Monta Ellis gave the Roaracle crowd a nice Xmas present with a pretty dazzling array of drives, fakes, cuts, and J's for 39 points. His 7 assists (only 1 turnover), 2 steals, and 1 block make this the real gift of a supa-stah this holi-dah season.
Monta BATUMING up the spot!
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the real gift of a supa-stah this holi-dah season.
I miss those commercials so much.
Nice recap and agreed on udoh over Lou. I don’t get Lou starting simply cause he’s pure energy. Best if used off the bench in my opinion.
It’s what’s for dinner?
I am not a testicle.
by bloodsweatndonuts on Dec 26, 2010 12:05 AM PST up reply actions
When the crowd chants defense, my dad and i only chant UDOH! He’s the only one on this team that plays any besides maybe Dorell and Biedrins.
by GovernorStephCurry on Dec 25, 2010 11:39 PM PST reply actions
Awesome
I sometimes yell
“sponge – bob – square – pants”
Instead of
“let’s go warriors”
This is waaaay cooler
flying dunk for a 6'10, back flip, THEN THE NAP GESTURE!
impressive
by Duby Dub Dubs on Dec 26, 2010 8:26 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
AR and Udoh are pretty similar to me.
They’re talented, young, and make a difference on defense.
by GovernorStephCurry on Dec 25, 2010 11:42 PM PST reply actions
AR makes a difference on D?!
He is clueless on D. Some big blocks but Udoh’s man defense is light years ahead of him.
by tafkasam on Dec 25, 2010 11:44 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I think he's a better defender than most of the bigs i've seen around here in the last 3-4 years.
He tooks charges, blocked shots…maybe got beat but at least you knew the shot was contested.
by GovernorStephCurry on Dec 25, 2010 11:45 PM PST up reply actions
If you're talking about AR,
AR looked clueless on the court. Had a ton of passion but never really directed it anywhere but to looking unhappy with his big frowny face. He had a few interspersed nice, high-energy plays, but I would hesitate to say one of the better bigs to be around in the last 3-4 years. However, I then realize we’ve had very few bigs that have done anything in the past 3-4 years, but out of them Biedrins, Turiaf and even Udoh (already) have already been more productive, polished, and better all around players than AR. In fact, the only player I think AR was better than was BW, which isn’t saying a lot.
by FromtheBaytotheBayState on Dec 26, 2010 1:19 AM PST up reply actions
AR had a poor grasp of team defense.
I’m not necessarily saying one is better than the other, but to say they are similar is way off.
Also, Udoh is considered pretty old to AR. Udoh is nearly as old as some of the vets on the team.
Excellent way to put it.
Randolph had all the physical gifts to make wow defensive players. But his team defense was attrocious. BTW if you wanna know why Vlad always plays it’s this. He’s our best PF in terms of team D. Almost always making right rotation and helping. Granted he has a billion other flaws, but I get why Smart uses him.
On the positive atleast he’s semi-useful these days….
AR still wasn't much of an induvidual defender
He had the athleticism and explosiveness to really come out of no where on the weak side though.
The Golden State Warriors, we make Free Throws look difficult!
by Badly Browned on Dec 26, 2010 8:51 AM PST up reply actions
That's what i mean. Both very good shotblockers.
by GovernorStephCurry on Dec 26, 2010 10:31 AM PST up reply actions
except Udoh has already shown ability to defend man on man in the post.
people complaining about DLee of LMA last night, but I wonder if that was the plan so that it freed up Udoh to cover basically everyone.
The Golden State Warriors, we make Free Throws look difficult!
by Badly Browned on Dec 26, 2010 1:32 PM PST up reply actions
Udoh looks terrifying as a defender. The dude is not only long as heck, he really is aggressive without fouling. Great stuff. Fun to watch.
And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who would attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know my name is Monta Ellis when I lay my vengeance upon thee.
Also, very smart and determined at the same time.
And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who would attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know my name is Monta Ellis when I lay my vengeance upon thee.
Nah, he is more mobile, more coordinated and will be a superior scorer (which isn’t sayin’ much).
And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who would attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know my name is Monta Ellis when I lay my vengeance upon thee.
AR is still a bit younger than Udoh but...
…not sure when he will start to grow up. Udoh looks like he has a head on his shoulders.
by Only In Fairfax on Dec 26, 2010 11:42 AM PST up reply actions
If anyone still thinks
Biedrins is not an important player on this team, they are insane. The warriors actually played pretty solid defense, but could not clear the boards at all. If biedrins plays in this game, the warriors win by 15 at least
by AJC3317 on Dec 25, 2010 11:43 PM PST via mobile reply actions
Seconded,
though I don’t think it’s Biedrins that’s important, rather a rebounding big man, be it Biedrins or not.
by FromtheBaytotheBayState on Dec 26, 2010 1:19 AM PST up reply actions
Well Biedrins is a top 5 rebounding big man so that helps.
by GovernorStephCurry on Dec 26, 2010 1:22 AM PST up reply actions
I don’t agree with the idea that we would win by at least 15 with Beans…
Our problem is, without David Lee rebounding like he should, our bigs are playing somewhat one-dimensionally, and we can’t have more than two out there at a time. Udoh is the only one that gives us real defense, Lee is the only one that gives us scoring, Biedrins is the only one that gives us rebounding, and I’m not quite sure what Amundson is giving us so far… Even if we put Biedrins in to rebound the ball, maybe they stop missing so much with Udoh out, or maybe we stop scoring so much with Lee out.
by samuraaaaiiiiiii on Dec 26, 2010 1:08 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Lee’s and Biedrins’ rebounding really helps on the defensive end and Biedrins shows some great hustle and can move his feet. I rather like Biedrins as a defender, other than being a bit undersized to defend the league’s top bigs. Not heavy nor long enough.
And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who would attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know my name is Monta Ellis when I lay my vengeance upon thee.
Don't look now but
Monta’s last 3 games on Free Throws:
10 for 11
10 for 12
11 for 14
Combined 31 for 37 (aka more attempts than Biedrins has taken last season and this combine) and at 83.7%
Improvement, improvement, improvement. Embrace the guy Warrior fans, he’s continually working at his game.
I'll laugh when he's like 4-9 or something next game...jk
by GovernorStephCurry on Dec 25, 2010 11:45 PM PST up reply actions
I'll laugh when Curry goes 2-15 the next game...oh wait
seriously, do you guys have to take shots at Monta in every post? He just won a game for us, can’t we be positive?
by HerFavColor on Dec 26, 2010 12:22 AM PST up reply actions
I don't get the hate for Monta
Hate him last year, sure. But this year? Dude’s an all-star and I’m loving him.
by true torture on Dec 26, 2010 1:14 AM PST up reply actions
Lots of us would love to be Monta fans.
And if he keeps scoring at the efficiency he did last night, we’ll be Monta fans.
We’re happy to see him improve. Even if you think a Monta-Curry backcourt is too much of a problem defensively, there is nothing bad for the Warriors that comes from Monta playing great offensive basketball. He’s clearly capable of it.
And if he keeps scoring at the efficiency he did last night, we’ll be Monta fans.
IF he scores as efficiently as he did last night every game he’d be MVP of NBA and that’d be some sort of record for a player of that volume.
I don’t even expect that by any means. At this point what I want is a) free throw improvement and b) low turnovers. I have no qualms with his scoring or even his distribution
He’s playing really well as a whole on the season. Not perfect by any means, but sometimes i feel the standards of skeptics are so ridiculously high based on previous seasons failures or whatnot.
Hell man..
He has the potential to be great, what’s wrong with wanting that? Critique does not equate to dislike.
IF he scores as efficiently as he did last night every game he’d be MVP of NBA and that’d be some sort of record for a player of that volume.
technically, his TS% was 63.2% which would be 6th this season among players with at least 500 minutes, just behind Kevin Martin (i had no idea he was playing so well. no wonder the Rockets are doing okay without Yao and Brooks…..23.6 pts in 31.8 min with a 63.3% TS%?). hate how he plays the game, but respect.
by the evil monkey on Dec 27, 2010 12:56 PM PST up reply actions
Monta’s a career 75.9% FT shooter, so it stood to reason that he wouldn’t shoot 70% all season long. i expect he’ll be 75some% by year’s end (barring an injury).
by the evil monkey on Dec 27, 2010 1:00 PM PST up reply actions
I got home with 9 minutes left in the 4th
and the warriors played great basketball. Monta is clutch and was 1 point away from ANOTHER 40 point game, I was hoping he wud get it.
I was hoping he'd top Durant
Warriors could use the positive publicity
As for Udoh's development
One step at a time. Tonight was the first time I saw him with that midpaint spin move. I think he did it twice and scored both times. Also, he had a pass to the wing that was intercepted, but several plays later, he showed he can stay poised and kick it to the corner guy when he was confronted by several defenders.
I suspect he will get more plays run for him. It’s all about patience and letting the game sink in for him, one step at a time.
Actually, check out Keith Smart's at the podium interview.
He talks about Udoh and his improvement.
by IQofaWarrior on Dec 26, 2010 12:11 AM PST up reply actions
I hope Udoh gets more floor time
I agree that he looks pretty good so far; sounds like smart gets it ( at least on the Udoh front)
Our defensive rebounding is starting to have me a little worried too
flying dunk for a 6'10, back flip, THEN THE NAP GESTURE!
impressive
by Duby Dub Dubs on Dec 26, 2010 8:31 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
Well Said IQoDubs
He wasn’t perfect but I feel he might make Lou expendable once biedrins comes back. Or atleast more comfortable to play with options of trading either of those, now that Udoh looks atleast capable of giving us good minutes.
Considering our injury history, I would not be anxious to trade any of them right now. It’s nice to have Lee, Biedrins, Amundson and now Udoh. Gadz and Vlad ought to keep the bench warm as bigs (although I have no problem with Vlad as D.Wright’s backup.
Not sure what to do with B.Wright yet. He could be a good scoring option off the bench at some point, which would be fun. Or trade bait.
And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who would attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know my name is Monta Ellis when I lay my vengeance upon thee.
It's nice BUT.....
We really can’t operate under the assumption that dawning a Warrior jersey curses you to miss 20-30 games a year with an injury (despite what recent data tells us).
My only point was I’d feel comfortable packaging 1 or 2 of them with whatever to get a superior player.
As much as I like Udoh, if he continues this production, he would be a very valuable trade chip. Not saying I’d give him away but if he helps us NET a real talent, might be worth it.
Maybe so, but i'd like to add to our bigman rotation.
Add a nice fa big for depth, maybe draft one and we could have 4-5 quality bigmen. I’d really like that kind of depth.
"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."
According to Keith Smart after the game,
the answer is “not 100% healthy” because of conditioning.
by IQofaWarrior on Dec 26, 2010 2:28 PM PST up reply actions
Good words IQ.
Step1…. Player does better than expected.
Step2…..Expectations blow up beyond reality.
Step3…..Player does not meet unrealistic expectations.
Step4…..Bashing begins.
by Only In Fairfax on Dec 26, 2010 11:49 AM PST up reply actions
but win shares say that he's not...
/sarcasm
by HerFavColor on Dec 26, 2010 12:02 AM PST up reply actions
Kevin Martin is amazing
at having an uglier game than Corey Maggette. At least Maggette was good for one sick dunk per game and had a way better nickname.
Bad Porn >>>>>> Kmart
I am not a testicle.
by bloodsweatndonuts on Dec 26, 2010 12:13 AM PST up reply actions
I just find it amazing
How a player who is one of the most efficient high volume wings in the NBA (fact) never really seems to effect his teams win total. Houston has Scola, him, and nice pieces. Still only .500. In Sacramento they had worst record in NBA, which anyway you slice it, doesn’t happen if a player is that good.
I actually rack him up w/ Maggette as a guy whose numbers deeply flatter him
It depends on what conclusion you're drawing from the numbers
The conclusion I draw is that they are both very efficient offensive players, who’s efficiency can be maintained with high usage, who help the team, more often than not, when they are the ones attempting to score.
But there’s all that other stuff like defense and all those other possessions on offense when they are not the ones attempting to score. Do they help or hinder the team on those offensive and defensive possessions and how do you measure their causal effect on those outcomes? I’ve never seen those types of stats, but I’m also not a “stat guy”.
The stats that try and measure a players overall impact on wins seem, to my novice eyes, to be heavily dependent on correlation. When you depend on correlation, you’re going to have some exceptional outliers, like Maggette or Martin who’s elite, one-dimensional strengths may, in some measurement systems, override their apparently horrible deficiencies in the rest of their games.
But, it is also entirely possible that, when it’s all said and done, that offensive efficiency is properly weighted and that they only happen to lose because they happen to lack better teammates.
Just thinking out loud . . .
I am not a testicle.
by bloodsweatndonuts on Dec 26, 2010 10:40 AM PST up reply actions
He is amazing at scoring the basketball.
Kevin Martin scores at a ridiculous TS 63.5%
that all goes away
once refs stop calling his flops in 4th quarter and he is left with absolutely nothing. He sucks if he can’t draw fouls. He does literally nothing else.
by HerFavColor on Dec 26, 2010 12:20 AM PST up reply actions
yeah
but I’m guessing it will drop off. Just a hot start ala Manu.
well obviously
but they both had a hot start and are not going to keep it up
by HerFavColor on Dec 26, 2010 12:44 PM PST up reply actions
Today Monta passed Kobe to be 3rd in the league in PPG
and he’s only 0.6 behind Amar’e. Maybe Harrington’s prediction of him being scoring leader isn’t toooooooo farfetched…
Interesting
On the other hand, with David Lee returning to form and Stephen Curry coming back, Monta might not need to score as much as he has recently.
by IQofaWarrior on Dec 26, 2010 12:30 AM PST up reply actions
Good point
Makes sense, though Ellis will be their first offensive option, Curry will get his groove back and Lee’s getting there.
It would be great if he won it though. Some more Warrior recognition ya’know
by lameallenmark on Dec 26, 2010 1:10 AM PST up reply actions
Yes it would
He’s thrown himself and all of his energy into the game since last season after Jack got traded to the Bobcats. I’d like to see Monta get some kind of recognition out of it.
by IQofaWarrior on Dec 26, 2010 1:22 AM PST up reply actions
Some kind of recognition
Anybody think he can make the all star game?
I am starting to think he may actually have an outside shot at it
As for the scoring title, I hope having steph back, plus the added contribution from an ever-healing Lee makes this look like an early season fluke, rather than a season long strategy
flying dunk for a 6'10, back flip, THEN THE NAP GESTURE!
impressive
by Duby Dub Dubs on Dec 26, 2010 8:36 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
He'll make it IF...
We are back in the playoff hunt. I just can’t see him being strongly considered otherwise.
Nash, Kobe, Paul. Deron are solid locks. Manu should be a lock. Durant, Melo, Pau, Duncan, Dirk are locks. At the moment Westbrook has to be above him for last guard spot (if there are 6)
Or (what should happen)
He’ll score A LOT easier.
Monta
If monta keeps this up and Lee keeps hitting his jumpers that will be great fr us.
Curry had 11 assists….I’m wondering how many were to Lee when he hit the jumper.
by Anonymous1337 on Dec 26, 2010 1:11 AM PST via mobile reply actions
Udoh was terrible tonight.
Three blocks is nice and all, but one rebound in 16 minutes?
That’s unacceptable.
by Spider Jerusalem on Dec 26, 2010 1:14 AM PST reply actions
If you're a power forward and you play 16 minutes and you only grab one rebound, you had a terrible night.
Call it what you want.
by Spider Jerusalem on Dec 26, 2010 1:23 AM PST up reply actions
Maybe. But if you play good defense and score pretty efficiently, it's not as bad as it seems.
by GovernorStephCurry on Dec 26, 2010 1:24 AM PST up reply actions
Yes, yes it is. It's as bad as it seems.
What’s the point of playing good position defense if you can’t end the possession?
by Spider Jerusalem on Dec 26, 2010 1:25 AM PST up reply actions
Well it's better than rebounding well but letting your man score at will?
by GovernorStephCurry on Dec 26, 2010 1:25 AM PST up reply actions
you can't block/contest the shots
and rebound them…that’s why Lee and Love get so many rebounds
You can.
But very few can. There’s more Lee’s and Loves who kinda suck on defense but great on the boards than Duncans or Garnett’s.
by GovernorStephCurry on Dec 26, 2010 1:29 AM PST up reply actions
Well yeah
Duncan is one of the greatest defenders of all time. (So is Garnett, but Duncan is a better defender, while Garnett is more versatile). I’m talking about regular players.
What about those possession where it's David Lee
or someone else playing the defense? Udoh didn’t defend the ball every time it went into the post.
It's biodigital jazz, man.
by Reverend_Randy on Dec 26, 2010 5:13 PM PST up reply actions
That sucked,
but he D-ed up Aldridge better than any other Warrior I saw out there. No one was rebounding tonight. Blazers were going over the back too much, but none of us could catch a board.
by true torture on Dec 26, 2010 1:18 AM PST up reply actions
He did body LA up well, and it's promising to see his defense translate so well, but the concerns about his ability to rebound haven't been quelled.
by Spider Jerusalem on Dec 26, 2010 1:25 AM PST up reply actions
Oh i definitely agree about what you're saying here.
Udoh’s gotta start rebounding better, no excuses, im just not sure he had a bad game considering the circumstances.
by GovernorStephCurry on Dec 26, 2010 1:26 AM PST up reply actions
Yeah, I'm not saying he can't rebound or he won't rebound, I'm just saying even though he made some nice plays, his overall contribution was subpar.
He has to rebound better than that (and he’s done decently in his other games) is all I’m saying.
by Spider Jerusalem on Dec 26, 2010 1:27 AM PST up reply actions
I was impressed with Udoh’s man defense, especially on Aldrige. He played pretty well tonight because of his ability to shutdown LA alone. What did bug me though was his inability to rotate well on defensive switches. This, however, is something we’ll have to be patient with as the last time he’s played competitive ball was in college and the pace of which is much different than at the professional level. Overall, thought he did a pretty damn nice job for the amount of PT he’s gotten thus far.
by FromtheBaytotheBayState on Dec 26, 2010 1:30 AM PST up reply actions
I'd say give Udoh some more games
so we can see if his lack of rebounding was just this 1 game or if it’s a trend. I’ve heard one interview where the player said that some nights, the ball just doesn’t bounce your way. With more games, we’ll see what kind of player Udoh develops into. He might turn into a Ronny Turiaf, who’s more of a blocker and defensive presence, but not a rebounder.
by IQofaWarrior on Dec 26, 2010 1:30 AM PST up reply actions
Turiaf's man defense was meh.
Good off ball but on ball he wasn’t that special. Udoh looks like he could be a great man up defender.
by GovernorStephCurry on Dec 26, 2010 1:32 AM PST up reply actions
Turiaf is too jump happy
just like all other off the bench shot blockers (McGee, Jordan, Birdman). It’s easy to fake them out and they bit on fakes too much. I can’t even begin to imagine what Hakeem would do to them.
Udoh seems to be good at getting low and staying down on pump-fakes.
Which is impressive for a good shot-blocker.
I am not a testicle.
by bloodsweatndonuts on Dec 26, 2010 10:44 AM PST up reply actions
Portland is also the best offensive rebounding team in the NBA
And Camby was a monster on the offensive boards. In the 4th, with Camby out, we were actually getting those defensive boards.
The Golden State Warriors, we make Free Throws look difficult!
by Badly Browned on Dec 26, 2010 8:55 AM PST up reply actions
Best present all day
Nice to see the warriors pull out the victory. Those steals by monta and dorell at the end plus the block by Vlad really sealed the deal
Monta 38 points, 7 asts, 2 stls
Thanks Santa!
flying dunk for a 6'10, back flip, THEN THE NAP GESTURE!
impressive
by Duby Dub Dubs on Dec 26, 2010 1:19 AM PST via mobile reply actions
David Lee!
His jumper is baaaaackkkkk??? (I hope!) it was so nice to see it back for tonight. Keep it up dude!
It was as if,
I didn’t have to worry at all when he took a shot. No more hard clanks off the front iron, the best present all night.
by FromtheBaytotheBayState on Dec 26, 2010 1:21 AM PST up reply actions
Hahahaha
That’s a great way to put it: Lee’s gift to the Warriors fans is his ability to “extend his arm” and follow through with his shot stroke.
by IQofaWarrior on Dec 26, 2010 1:25 AM PST up reply actions
Also,
nice to have this win on national t.v. Let’s hope our two game string of gritty wins can manifest themselves as the start of something good to come. Guys have got to be pumped after a win on xmas on the big screen!
by FromtheBaytotheBayState on Dec 26, 2010 1:33 AM PST reply actions
All the yelling I did...
was unnecessary. I love it when I think they’re about to do something terribly wrong, and then it turns out to be great. Dorrell’s slightly out of rhythm deep 3 to tie the game. Lee putting shot after shot I’ve seen him clank all season. Monta’s terribly acrobatic layups. The constant reaching and reaching leading to steals. It all looked so bad. They looked good down the stretch. For one of the first times all season, I want to see more.
Monta.
When Wright got the ball before he hit that long 3 to tie it, I said “pass it” 14 times and then when he started squaring up I was like “no no no no no no no no please no no no” and then he shot it and i turned around and then saw my friend cheering and I’m like YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
by HerFavColor on Dec 26, 2010 2:22 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Yes and his 7 assists and 1 turnover were AWFULLY selfish
It seems to me you didn’t watch the game but Monta could have easily had double digit assists with some better finishing. He’s really improving his drive and kick, and Curry just happened to have one of those nights where he misses those shots. On a normal night, Curry makes 6 more of those and Monta gets assists on most for the set up.
Huh?
Curry actually picked up a few assists from Monta last night. Curry was distributing well.
The Golden State Warriors, we make Free Throws look difficult!
by Badly Browned on Dec 26, 2010 8:56 AM PST up reply actions
since when is 39 points on 26 shots bad?
you are joking right?
by HerFavColor on Dec 26, 2010 12:45 PM PST up reply actions
Obviously he's trollin'
39 points on 26 shots is exceptional.
No relation to Matt Cain...
by Caine Black Knife on Dec 26, 2010 1:21 PM PST up reply actions
No
You sir, just had a logic fail. 26 shots for how many points he scored is fine and 7 assists and only 1 TO screams selfish. Steph went 2-15… 15 shots is good for him and the fact he only made 2 of them? I was really happy when he came out of the game late for Reggie
"There is nothing like a wise phrase or quote to help convince others that your decision makes sense." - Anon
"If you're ever in a fair fight, then your tactics suck." ಠ_ಠ
Screams selfish? For real? High FG% with low TO’s and 7 assists seems pretty respectable. I don’t see selfishness. I just see good play.
And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who would attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know my name is Monta Ellis when I lay my vengeance upon thee.
Man, when stephen was gettin abused by miller
Udoh came in and blocked him twice in one play. Stuff like that can throw off a player’s game because after that i didn’t see too much of Andre Miller when he was on the court. Udoh is our guy.
I was hoping to see Smart put Lin to guard Miller
Steph reachin, reachin’ reachin’, always reachin. so much for his improved defense we heard so much about when he was w/ Team USA
by diggitydawg510 on Dec 26, 2010 10:31 AM PST up reply actions
Interesting that you mention both Udoh and Camby in this article.
Here’s to hoping Udoh can become as good a player as Camby.
Is it me or does D. Wright play like he's 6ft when going to the rim?
DUNK IT ALREADY!!! well, at least take it strong. he double pumps, or tries to reverse more than he should. i mean he’s 6’9 for crying out loud. Take it strong. he plays like he’s freakin’ my height (5’7) when taking it to the hole.
by diggitydawg510 on Dec 26, 2010 10:30 AM PST reply actions
He has a high center of gravity, and is not too heavy, making him somewhat unstable, between the two. He’s not going to be a power player. He’s a SF for a reason, not a PF.
And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who would attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know my name is Monta Ellis when I lay my vengeance upon thee.
What I noticed was
in 16 minutes, Udoh was defending the Blazers post player, usually the on ball defender. Udoh would force a missed shot and no one else on the team blocked out or grabbed the rebound (D. Lee). To expect him to play great man on defense and grab the rebound all in the same sequence is a bit much. Furthermore, Marcus Camby, Aldridge, and Batum simply owned the Boards, no player on the Warriors got a high volume of rebounds in the first half
by Brothaplease09 on Dec 26, 2010 10:36 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
That was my observation as well. I did note Udoh not putting good effort to get one rebound, but then again, he could have been called for over the back in that case and would have been an offensive rebound. He was going after the ball, changing the shot and such, which resulted in a lack of rebounds for him.
And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who would attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know my name is Monta Ellis when I lay my vengeance upon thee.
Loved the game... Here are the things I noticed
1. Udoh has the best 1 on 1 defense in the post on this team and probably the best we have seen in years. Great timing, great balance, doesn’t get pushed around. Check out the time he was guarding Aldridge. Stayed on his feet and didn’t jump and get stupid fouls. Made life pretty hard for Aldridge. Then after your done watching that look at the early to mid 4th quarter when David Lee guards Aldridge… the difference is shocking (Why is Udoh not guarding him instead of Lee, Lee can guard Cunningham in that spot.
2. Get back to basics and Box the F out. Seriously, I know Portland is the best offensive rebounding team in the league but it was how they did it tonight that pissed me off. Guards coming in untouched jumping over our bigs and tipping it out. Forwards standing around watching the ball and not finding people. It is a basic fundamental that is widely overlooked and if we practiced that more we could have greatly reduced the offensive board damage tonight.
3. Monta is a baller. Flat out Gamer the last 3 games. Aggressive and “fairly efficient.” We have seen him more consistent stat wise in the past. But never at this clip. He is putting up big numbers and I can’t wait to see him on the Western All Stars.
4. David Lee- Offensively, do that every night and you will have a cult following in Oakland. Great offensive game. jumper was on point and if it wasn’t for that offensive spike Monta would probably have not gotten as much space as he did.
Lastly, can we put a good 10 game stretch in there please. Get back closer to 500. I mean with only Beidrins out we should still be able to compete night in and night out. LET’s GO WARRIORS.
fairly efficient?
his last 5 games he’s averaging 36 ppg on 50+% shooting and 50%+ 3 point shooting with 6.4 apg..If that’s FAIRLY efficient I’m not sure what NBA we are watching.
by HerFavColor on Dec 26, 2010 12:47 PM PST up reply actions
Made life pretty hard for Aldridge. Then after your done watching that look at the early to mid 4th quarter when David Lee guards Aldridge… the difference is shocking (Why is Udoh not guarding him instead of Lee, Lee can guard Cunningham in that spot.
LMA was still only 7-21 even with Dlee guarding him most of the time.
Someone mentioned else where that perhaps by having DLee on LMA, Udoh on Cunningham, it allowed Udoh to pretty much be wherever he was needed in the paint as opposed to having to stick to LMA like glue.
The Golden State Warriors, we make Free Throws look difficult!
by Badly Browned on Dec 26, 2010 1:34 PM PST up reply actions
MVP MVP MVP MVP
You know I spit technique to the freshest freak
Gimme a call you will see results in just a week
With the soul of a LOST HAWK
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If we win out this season, he’ll be in the running for sure!
No relation to Matt Cain...
by Caine Black Knife on Dec 26, 2010 1:25 PM PST up reply actions
As Udoh matures and gets more experience...
I would love to see a segment where Lee needs rest and the Warriors need defense and we have Beans and Udoh on the floor together defending the post.
by Only In Fairfax on Dec 26, 2010 12:00 PM PST reply actions
That’s what I’m talkin’ about. Probably not so good against Bynum and Gasol but against more typical bigs, oh, yes.
And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who would attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know my name is Monta Ellis when I lay my vengeance upon thee.
Monta for MVP is a Joke!
Monta is I will admit very talented but he is a fraud the guy couldn’t lead a horse to water let alone get it to drink Curry can! All you ppl all the sudden are infatuated by Monta game what has he done in 5 years? Nothing that’s right nothing here’s example put Wesly Mathews Next to Curry what do u think would happen? I’ll we would all ready be up an extra 5 in the win column!
by Rayallday80 on Dec 26, 2010 1:37 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
is this English?
You know I spit technique to the freshest freak
Gimme a call you will see results in just a week
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it's a meme lol
did you read his post? his last sentence reminded me of that meme
Dude
It was in the flow of the game, he was dominant and has been dominant this year. It’s not like we really think Monta is a MVP, it was just praising him during the game
"There is nothing like a wise phrase or quote to help convince others that your decision makes sense." - Anon
"If you're ever in a fair fight, then your tactics suck." ಠ_ಠ
Also, seemed to help him make free throws, so I started yelling it too! He definitely played like an MVP that game and deserved it.
You know I spit technique to the freshest freak
Gimme a call you will see results in just a week
With the soul of a LOST HAWK
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I was hurting my throat I was yelling it so loud
Me and a guy I sit next to since we have the same ticket plan had a running a joke, through out the year since opening night he got MVP chants and missed all his FT’s when we chanted so we didn’t want people chanting it. But last night it worked …
Cool story…..
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"If you're ever in a fair fight, then your tactics suck." ಠ_ಠ
what has he done in 5 years
Been our best offensive scorer since…. Arenas maybe? If you put Wes next to Steph we’d lose this game. Curry isn’t why Monta is good, he was doing his thing before he was in the NBA.
All you ppl all the sudden are infatuated by Monta
No, most of us have been here the whole time, I guess downers will always be downer
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"If you're ever in a fair fight, then your tactics suck." ಠ_ಠ
GSoM doesn't charge you "by the comma" . . .
Regardless, your post is a true work of mastery. If your home was the English language I would be telling you: “I love what you’ve done with the place”.
Don’t let the grammar ninnies here stifle your pioneering spirit. The future is now: End Mid-Sentence Punctuation!
I am not a testicle.
by bloodsweatndonuts on Dec 26, 2010 3:00 PM PST up reply actions
Anyone know why we never played zone D against a team that can't shoot from outside??
Awful coaching continues, yet our players will the win.
IDK how you don’t at least try an extended run with zone D to give them a different look.
IDK why our defensive plan was not to weak side help against aldrige every time to force the ball out of his hands and to give Lee better position to rebound.
IDK why we never put Udoh on Aldridge, their best offensive big…yet we put Vlad and Lee on him, our weaker defenders yet Lee could have rebounded better if he was not on Aldridge.
IDK why Udoh was out so long.
IDK why Monta didn’t get rested more in the third quarter and let Reggie warm up a bit too.
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Gimme a call you will see results in just a week
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To our credit
We did a good job on LA, Udoh did guard him some but and did a good job but not a lot
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"If you're ever in a fair fight, then your tactics suck." ಠ_ಠ
i thought we did a poor job on him
he had only 15 points, but he missed two dunks and a couple easy layups.
he also destroyed us on the boards and basically always managed to tap it to other players etc. Also he would always get excellent post position, putting our d in very bad position.
coach smart sucks.
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Gimme a call you will see results in just a week
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I just cannot comprehend how we don't take advantage of zone D against a team like portland.
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Overall our defense was good
Just couldn’t board
"There is nothing like a wise phrase or quote to help convince others that your decision makes sense." - Anon
"If you're ever in a fair fight, then your tactics suck." ಠ_ಠ
Our defense was okay.
Not getting Drebs hurt. Our guards need to rebound better, we should be chasing some of these long rebounds down.
Udoh did the best job of anyone on LMA, and while our defense started out horribly, it got some moments of success in the second half. Still poor overall i’d say though. Just not a consistent effort/awareness on that end.
"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."
Anyone know why we never played zone D against a team that can’t shoot from outside??
Wes Matthews, Rudy Fernandez, Nicholas Batum can all hit 3s, particularly in rotation and if open.
Zone in NBA is generally not a good idea
I would rather them shoot 3s
Than them own us inside with higher percentage shots and also getting even more open 3s from penetration/passing to the post player.
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Gimme a call you will see results in just a week
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You’re overrating Udoh. During his stint, we were not getting rebounds. His fault? No. But without Biedrins, Udoh lacks a good complement. We need a monster boarder to complement Udoh well in this particular game.
And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who would attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know my name is Monta Ellis when I lay my vengeance upon thee.
that monster boarder is Lee
Put Udoh on Aldridge, lets Lee rebound.
You know I spit technique to the freshest freak
Gimme a call you will see results in just a week
With the soul of a LOST HAWK
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Interesting...
I was actually impressed with Lee’s defensive performance (for him) but you bring up a really good point here. I can understand that with Lee doing a good job on LA they were happy to have Udoh roaming that paint, and protecting the rim from penetration, but with the rebounding situation it might have been better to give Lee the easier defensive assignment and let him focus on rebounding, which we know he can handle.
Thanks Monta
for the xmas gift I couldn’t ask for more
Win Or Lose Warriors For Life.........
by mykelala01 on Dec 26, 2010 2:51 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Igoudala will shut down Monta on Monday.
He’s shut down every elite player he’s played this year. Hopefully he doesn’t do it to Monta, but i’m doubting it.
by GovernorStephCurry on Dec 26, 2010 3:10 PM PST reply actions
he's comming off a back to back in denver...
and Monta is much quicker than all the players he has shut down.
You know I spit technique to the freshest freak
Gimme a call you will see results in just a week
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yup, and playing in high altitute really takes a toll on players
looks like a close game throught the first half too, lets hope they go to over time, lol.
hmm
Just going by player across from him in box score
Wade- 10/20, 30 points, 7 rebounds, 4 assists
Joe Johnson- 6/10, 22 points, 5 rebounds, 2 assists (6 turnovers)
Granger- 8/16, 22 points
Marion- 8/11, 16 points
Lebron 5/15, 20 points, 8 rebounds, 6 assists (2 turnovers)
Deng- 10/14, 22 points
Lets not make him out to be superman. He’s a good defender, kind of troubling a lot of these players are getting ti line at will v. him. Then again they do that v. anyone.
Phili’s got problems all over that Iggy’s defense rarely can cover. Personally I’m excited to see Jrue Holiday. The little I’ve seen of phili on NBAtv, he’s looked good. And Evan Turner, he’s kind of shocked me how slow he’s started.
BTW if there was EVER a game to go Vlad Rad @ PF and DLee at center for extended stretches it’s this. Hawes on DLee on a pick’n’roll should be laughably entertaining for Warrior fans.
Uhh he can’t guard Lebron and Wade in the same game, as you put both of their stats from the same game…smh.
First game vs. Heat: Lebron 5-12
2nd game vs. Heat : Lebron 5-15
Game vs. Kobe: 3-11
1st Game vs. Celtics: Pierce 3-8
2nd Game vs. Celtics: Pierce 4-15
Durant: 7-18
Game vs Mavs: Terry 5-15
Gerald Wallace: 3-10
Brandon Roy: 3-9 (even though he’s hurt)
Danny Granger 2-14 in second game
Ariza: 2-11
This is pretty damning evidence that the opposing wing he guards almost always has an off night.
by GovernorStephCurry on Dec 26, 2010 9:56 PM PST up reply actions
He can score 60 50 48 49 19 29 75 but in the end it's all the ways a loss!
Who in here wouldn’t pair Curry & Mathews over Curry & Ellis? Who in there right mind ?
I wouldn't.
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by don't leave Morrow! on Dec 27, 2010 2:51 PM PST up reply actions
Why
didn’t we pursue Matthews in the offseason?
by Anonymous1337 on Dec 26, 2010 4:03 PM PST via mobile reply actions
restricted free agent
Portland front loaded his 1st year on the offer so the jazz wouldn’t match.
by Anonymous1337 on Dec 26, 2010 5:55 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Why can't we trade Monta & Udoh for Mathews & Aldridge ?
Espn trade machine says it works finically maybe a pick or two going to Portland they get a scorer Monta to replace Roy also to pair with Miller and a young talent in Udoh to replace Aldridge and well we get size scoring inside & the right shooting guard to with Curry!
Because they won't trade LA and we won't trade Monta
And LA and Lee would be a bad fit…..
And why would we want Mathews for Monta?
"There is nothing like a wise phrase or quote to help convince others that your decision makes sense." - Anon
"If you're ever in a fair fight, then your tactics suck." ಠ_ಠ
Well that's why u have to give up some thing of value in order to get some thing
I disagree with you that Lee & LA would be a bad pairing Lee slides over to center then your options open up with AB because we can trade him or move him to the bench to give us more depth dude it’s a win win for both teams
Defensively they'd suck
Neither can guard a center and we’d get killed on the inside
"There is nothing like a wise phrase or quote to help convince others that your decision makes sense." - Anon
"If you're ever in a fair fight, then your tactics suck." ಠ_ಠ
LoL were already getting killed on the inside but now maybe this way it's a fair fight
Dude we need an inside presence some one that can dominate we haven’t had that in years I think the last time was 93 Webber team Besides this trade makes a lot of sense Mathews is a real good tall physical guard that can play defense help Curry out on the bigger guards besides remember Ab well now we trade him to Philly with Radmon for Iggy So are line up would be Curry,Mathews,Iggy,Aldrige,Lee Dude we would just as good as Okc if not better!
Reply button?
LA doesn’t dominate anyone, he’s very good but not dominant. He’s better on defense than Beans but not good enough to put us over the top. I’d do Beans for him no doubt but losing Monta and Udoh (which would be our best inside defender) is too much
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"If you're ever in a fair fight, then your tactics suck." ಠ_ಠ
The Monta & Udoh trade to Portland for Alridge & Mathews then flipping Bean & Radmon for Iggy that's how u build a Team
Joe Lacob I’m calling you out!
If you switch Aldridge with Camby and add Patty Mills, i'm all for that.
by GovernorStephCurry on Dec 26, 2010 6:47 PM PST up reply actions
A really old center for Monta Ellis ?
Why? That makes 0 sense
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"If you're ever in a fair fight, then your tactics suck." ಠ_ಠ
+1
Who knows if he’ll even play next year , and I’d much rather have Monta
"There is nothing like a wise phrase or quote to help convince others that your decision makes sense." - Anon
"If you're ever in a fair fight, then your tactics suck." ಠ_ಠ
Camby is not good...
The most overrated defender ever in his prime and is about to retire.
He's a top rebounder, shotblocker, and passer
at his size. He’s very good.
It's biodigital jazz, man.
by Reverend_Randy on Dec 27, 2010 1:17 AM PST up reply actions
One, use the reply button.
Two, you are calling out our owner because he will not do a horrible trade for an extremely overrated and overpaid ‘big’ who rebounds like Radmanovic, and is not a low post scorer for Monta, who while not great has better trade value than Lamarcus Aldridge.
Third, you propose trading our only legit center for another wing? Well actually that makes some sense if you traded Monta for a good big to replace Biedrins, but you didn’t? You want to replace Biedrins and Monta with Aldridge and Iggy. ME8 + AB make 20 million. LA + AI2 make close to 27-30 million. Dude, your idea doesn’t make sense. Don’t call out our cool owner just because he doesn’t come up with odd ideas like that.
by GovernorStephCurry on Dec 26, 2010 6:46 PM PST up reply actions
One, use the reply button.
Two, you are calling out our owner because he will not do a horrible trade for an extremely overrated and overpaid ‘big’ who rebounds like Radmanovic, and is not a low post scorer for Monta, who while not great has better trade value than Lamarcus Aldridge.
Third, you propose trading our only legit center for another wing? Well actually that makes some sense if you traded Monta for a good big to replace Biedrins, but you didn’t? You want to replace Biedrins and Monta with Aldridge and Iggy. ME8 + AB make 20 million. LA + AI2 make close to 27-30 million. Dude, your idea doesn’t make sense. Don’t call out our cool owner just because he doesn’t come up with odd ideas like that.
by GovernorStephCurry on Dec 26, 2010 6:46 PM PST up reply actions
Really dude so Curry,Mathews,Iggy,LA,Lee are not as good as Okc?
Yea are team now is though right? Well be competing for that Larry O’Brien trophy in no time can u please hold your breath for me!
Aldridge is a disgustingly bad fit with this team.
It's biodigital jazz, man.
by Reverend_Randy on Dec 26, 2010 6:52 PM PST up reply actions
He'd make a soft team softer.
"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."
I meant Aldridge is as soft as wet tissue paper.
"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."
Monta and Curry say hi
They also say Iggy has had a down year
"There is nothing like a wise phrase or quote to help convince others that your decision makes sense." - Anon
"If you're ever in a fair fight, then your tactics suck." ಠ_ಠ
I really like Iguodala. I really don’t like Lamarcus Aldridge.
It's biodigital jazz, man.
by Reverend_Randy on Dec 27, 2010 1:07 AM PST up reply actions
Jamal Crawford is 6'6
Must be a great defender
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"If you're ever in a fair fight, then your tactics suck." ಠ_ಠ
Thanks Yahoo Sports
Both were out produced by DLee and Monta last night, despite there PG having a vastly superior night to an injured Curry. What’s your point? I like both players, I wouldn’t sacrifice our 3 core players for any of the.
You see what Portland is without BRoy. That’s basically a 35 win team based soley on grit and good coaching.
The point is to add to are core Curry = Mathews,Aldridge,Lee
we then trade Bean+Radmon to Philly for Iggy are starting line ups are
Curry
Mathews
Iggy
Aldridge
Lee
What ego's are you speaking about?
Your posts are dangerously approaching unfounded troll-age.
Oh ok wow so don Nelson is gone and so is all the negativity Now!
Ok ppl just wait for it the real Monta is bound to show up sooner rather then later just wait see for your selves it’s just a matter of time befor all you Monta backers cry foul and I’ll just laugh and laugh! Muah that was the kiss of death just around the corner!
Ok so I think were all waiting for your awnser how do we lift this organization out of the ashes it's been for so long?
What’s your solution ?
There isn't a good solution right now.
The only one I think does anything is Monta for Iggy and AB, Wright, and expirings for a good big.
by GovernorStephCurry on Dec 26, 2010 9:23 PM PST up reply actions
I yawn at you
What big would you get that makes a difference ? Oh and by the way for AB and his contract who would give you that? And by the way in my deal we still got iggy and added two scores a guard and PF
by Rayallday80 on Dec 26, 2010 10:18 PM PST up reply actions
The reason your thing sucks is because LA is complete garbage.
by GovernorStephCurry on Dec 26, 2010 10:19 PM PST up reply actions
Ok so 6"11 246 lbs 18.9 pts 8.5 reb 1.5 ast is garbage ? No more eggnog for you!
by Rayallday80 on Dec 26, 2010 10:34 PM PST up reply actions
Actually yeah
at his minute level, he’s garbage. Inefficient scorer, doesn’t block shots. He’s really one of the most overrated big men in the league. He would weaken our defense because he’s a worse help defender than Biedrins. He’s also a bad rebounder. Better shooter, but that’s literally it.
It's biodigital jazz, man.
by Reverend_Randy on Dec 27, 2010 1:10 AM PST up reply actions
Better shooter, but that’s literally it.
And I don’t mean efficiency-wise. I mean he can shoot 20 ft jumpers.
It's biodigital jazz, man.
by Reverend_Randy on Dec 27, 2010 7:22 PM PST up reply actions
Ok so 6"11 246 lbs 18.9 pts 8.5 reb 1.5 ast is garbage ? No more eggnog for you!
1. This isn’t WarriorsWorld. Try not to have posts where the entire message is in the title bar. It’s awkward.
2. The per-game points/rebounds/assists is a rather incomplete and flawed way to rate players. How efficient those points come is very, very important. An inefficient 19 points doesn’t tend to be worth a whole lot in adding to wins, and Aldridge is well below average efficiency.
The rebounding numbers on a ‘per game’ issue also ignore the number of minutes it took him to get those rebounds. That’s very important. His rebounding, on a per-minute basis is also below average for a big man, substantially so if he’s playing center much of the time. What you have with LaMarcus is a guy who is willing to take a bunch of shots even though he’s not overly adept at making those shots and who plays a lot of minutes, even though he’s not overly effective in playing those minutes.
I think garbage is an overstatement. Some of it is probably attributable to the reasonably poor backups at PF in Portland, but they’ve been a better team with him than without him for the last several seasons. At some point, that starts to mean something. But the numbers you cite aren’t particularly meaningful in this regard. His numbers are only superficially good. Actual examination shows that they’re not at all impressive. If you’re using statistics to back up an argument, you should use useful statistics that actually show that he’s good. You haven’t.
Interesting question - I refer you to this:
http://www.goldenstateofmind.com/2010/12/21/1889404/joe-lacob-just-emailed-me-back
Notably:
“I promise we will not settle for losing. We will make changes to improve any aspect of the team. And, note that not everybody will agree with the actions we do take. Everybody has their own opinion. But, realize that we cannot just randomly throw darts against the wall. Trust that we are looking at potential moves every single day. We want to get better today. Now. But, we need to think through the longer term impact of any changes. "
Everybody wants to make moves now, but perhaps our biggest opportunity for improvement is this coming summer. Everyone wants to move the expirings, but they seem to forget the reason that the expiring contracts are valuable – they give us free agency flexibility!
No matter what move we make, it’s key that we wait for the right opportunity. Say what you will about Amundson, but we definitely got him for less than his asking price because Larry Riley was patient and knew when to make the right move.
I like Aldridge and Wesley Matthews ...
On my Yahoo Fant Basketball team.
Along with Derrick Rose, Monta Ellis, John Wall and Kobe Bryant.
And yes. I’m crazy. I dropped Brandon Roy for Wesley Matthews.
ROMESdavidWOOD37 has taken over the Ongline. He's cool.
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