Trading For Yao Relief and Still Maintaning Core
by Dro50 on Dec 28, 2010 4:02 PM PST
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PrintRockets want young talent and expiring contracts from the Kings and expiring contracts and draft picks from the Bobcats. The Warriors can offer young talent, expiring contracts and two second round picks. Yao Ming has a 17.7MIL contract with an 8MIL return from disabled player insurance which allows for a lot of savings this year if in fact the Warriors are not doing well come trade deadline time and even more cap space next season.
Curry, Law, Lin
Ellis, Williams, Bell
Wright, Carney
Lee, Udoh
Biedrins, Yao*
Curry, Law, Lin
Ellis, Willams, Bell
Wright, Carney
Lee, Udoh
Amundson, Gadzuric, Yao*
Biedrins + Amundson + Expiring
Curry, Law, Lin
Ellis, Williams, Bell
Wright, Carney
Lee, Wright
Udoh, Gadzuric, Yao*
In each scenario, big guys would need to be called up from the D-league as Yao is out for the season (probably his career) and, in the offseason, signing and drafting the best available bigs would be imperative. Signing Marc Gasol and drafting Valunciunas, Kanter or Montiejunis would be good choices.
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Forget It
Why trade players that can play full seasons for someone that didn’t even play 2 seasons in a row. (yea he did play some games early this season, not enough to count)
by I.Eat.Sleep.Warriors on Dec 28, 2010 4:30 PM PST reply actions
forget it
if you’re looking for salary relief, you might as well get someone who can help the team
Plus, your willingness to rely on Gadz and Udoh as our primary C = fail
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On the other hand
You could keep our current roster of centers and still have the same effect
Interestin idea, and I appreciate the creative thinking at work here, but I’m not ready to cash out on Biedrens just yet
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by Duby Dub Dubs on Dec 28, 2010 6:56 PM PST up reply actions
I think this is a very compelling hypothetical. Unfortunately, I can’t imagine Lacob being willing to go for this as a new owner trying to create the appearance of positive change. Even if some of these moves would be pretty shrewd, fans are going to expect Yao to play for the team at some point, and when that doesn’t happen things could get very ugly.
I think most fans, especially ones that lived through the Cohan era, are very skeptical about money dumping moves. Unless a team has a history of putting together winning teams, it tends to look like a lame-duck ruse.
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by The Bimbo Coles Experience on Dec 28, 2010 5:37 PM PST reply actions
That's a really solid point.
It’s puzzling to predict how Lacob will make changes to the team. He hasn’t really seen this years team all together due to the consistent injuries. Yet an interesting poll last night during the game had a majority predicted that the Warriors would lose all 5 of their upcoming road games. Whether these voters were considering that we’d be getting Biedrins and Gadzuric and also be having a full roster (at last) is somewhat irrelevant. There’s no way the Warriors should be losing all 5 games and there’s no way that fans should be voting like that unless there’s a desire for major change. Perhaps a Yao relief would be a lame duck ruse but it doesn’t hurt to turn over every stone.
the other issue here
is that we have seeen that most FA’s aren’t that eager to come here, so we end up over-paying or just missing out. Maybe this changes in a year or two, but right now, I am not sure we can rely on picking up a big name in FA 2011 or 2012
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by Duby Dub Dubs on Dec 29, 2010 9:58 AM PST up reply actions
There really aren't a lot of big-name FAs this year.
Most of the guys who were smart and had leverage got their contracts to expire last year, even if it meant taking a one-year-shorter deal, so that they could get in a last contract under the old CBA.
by Ronaldinho on Dec 29, 2010 10:14 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
agreed
and this is why I am interested to know what exactly the new ownership group’s plan is…
I think the only way this team is going to significantly improve is going to necessarily involve a painful roster move. Or a lucky lotto pick
Whatever happens, I sincerely doubt that having extra cap room next summer (which is what the proposed Yao trade here is talking about) will really be all that benificial
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by Duby Dub Dubs on Dec 29, 2010 1:09 PM PST up reply actions
dear god no
yao, as sad of a story as it is, will never be the same. ever. not worth it at all.
I’m lovin udoh right now. i wanna see him at our c everyday sooner or later
Steph + Monta for Prez
not with yao on the payroll
There’s no point to trading expirings for more expirings. Stick with what we have and hit up FA 11
Steph + Monta for Prez
by j-spliff415 on Dec 28, 2010 7:35 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
we should trade for javale mcgee or andray blatche and/or quentin richardson/JR smith without giving up curry,lee,ellis
Ew
Andray Blatche. Javale McGee is kind of RAndolphy- spectacular highlights, but a lot of dumb plays.
It's biodigital jazz, man.
by Reverend_Randy on Dec 28, 2010 10:26 PM PST up reply actions
If we hire Victor Conti
I’d support this move.
Why?
This does us no good at all.
Yes, great, we have a lot of cap space (memo: we already do!) this coming offseason. But we get worse.
You don’t get better making talent losing trades.
What possible benefit is there to us to this trade?
She's the only one with trade value on that roster, why need her when we have Lacy?
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Who's the other one?
Thats a dynamic duo
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big 3, big 3, get it?
read “3” sideway…
by ILoveWarriorsGirls on Dec 29, 2010 8:34 AM PST up reply actions
Trade Smart for Yao, I would do it in a heart beat!
by ILoveWarriorsGirls on Dec 28, 2010 9:15 PM PST reply actions
Your point has been made a couple times but has yet to really be one that matters.
Even though his career may be over, this does not deny the financial gains and the newly aquired ability to upgrade the Bigs on the team with the newly gained cap space.
Our expirings include Radman and Gadzuric, both of who have played better than Yao this year.
Nuff said
Then there are better ways to go about it than trading away Biedrins. If it’s just for cap space, we should look at the guys who have bigger contracts like David Lee and Monta Ellis…
Just saying.
by Doctor Kajita on Dec 29, 2010 2:04 PM PST up reply actions
i think what he meant was
If ur willing to trade away a still young and very, very capable player for cap space then why not do it with style..
by chickenlittle on Dec 29, 2010 2:28 PM PST up reply actions
What I’m saying is if you want to maximize cap space, then trade away your biggest contracts since you’re thinking Biedrins is worth nothing more than a salary dump. I’m saying you’re overlooking Biedrins’ value to the team. So with that in mind, you might as well overlook the other, more expensive players on the team and achieve the same thing.
I guess the only attractive thing about the Yao trade is that there’s 8M in insurance, but I don’t think that counts towards cap relief. That’s just $ in the pocket for the owners.
Biedrins is a very popular guy these days to include in some trades, but everyone’s undervaluing his value to this team. This team is dead last in def rebounding rate (blame it on injuries if you will). Trading one of two of the only real rebounders on the team is not going to help that cause.
by Doctor Kajita on Dec 29, 2010 3:28 PM PST up reply actions
With the talent of Lee and Udoh
The other Warrior Bigs should be seen as expendable if they are not in playoff position by trade deadline.
Come on
You’re drinking way too much kool-aid. Udoh is not going to give you what Biedrins give you as a starter, at least at this point in his career…what 5 games into it? That would be too much pressure on the kid too. So who’s going to be our backup C?
Biedrins is our best rebounder and we are the worst rebounding def rebounding % team in the league. Yeah, let’s trade him away for a forever broken Yao.
by Doctor Kajita on Dec 29, 2010 3:45 PM PST up reply actions
Damn I know...I'm definitly a Kool-Aid drinker, but if were not making playoffs?? Then a change and an example needs to be made
There are lots of players like Biedrins but not very many like Curry, Ellis, or Lee
Who's like Biedrins who we could get for a similar salary?
This team can not afford to make talent-losing personelle moves.
Period.
Part of the reason we’re in the hole we are is because we’ve done that too many times in the past five years.
“Making an example” of a player will accomplish exactly nothing. It’s stupid and vindictive. It’s cutting off your nose to spite your face.
The team needs to be smart, for once.
yes there are
When you make a statement like you did, you’d do better to present evidence that there are “lots of players like Biedrins”. Objectively, it’s rather easy to demonstrate that it’s false. There aren’t many players who rebound as well as him. Discounting players who haven’t logged a full games worth of minutes this year, there are 13 players who are rebounding at a better rate than him. That’s not a fluke. He’s been one of the better rebounders in the game for his career. There are not lots of players who do this. There is a tiny, tiny handful. There’s also relatively few players who have a better career scoring efficiency, even including those guys who get all their points off of “putbacks and dunks”.
Now, if you would like to be considered someone who presents things that are reliable and reasonable and worth considering, you’re better served by presenting these “lots of players” who are like Biedrins, else there’s no reason to believe that your opinion, one that seems at odds with objective reality, is worth any further consideration. It’s your choice.
If Biedrins actually gave as much as percieved
We’d be in the playoffs. If we were infact above average at every position you’d think we’d be an above average team.
What bothers me most with him is he has regressed since 2008. Compare that to Monta, Lee and Dorell who are all more or less his age/league exerience level
If Monta actually gave as much as perceived
We’d be in the playoffs. If we were infact above average at every position you’d think we’d be an above average team.
What bothers me most with him is he has regressed since 2008. Compare that to Biedrins, Lee and Dorell who are all more or less his age/league exerience level.
by GovernorStephCurry on Dec 30, 2010 12:17 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
If warrior fans actually gave as much as perceived
We’d be in the playoffs. If we were infact above average at every section you’d think we’d be an above average team.
What bothers me most with us is we have regressed since 2008.
by HerFavColo(u)r on Dec 30, 2010 1:14 PM PST up reply actions
premature!
look, unless we can trust Udoh to regularly play 30+ minutes per game, it’s too early to consider using him as a replacement for our starting center
And your point
The other Warrior Bigs should be seen as expendable if they are not in playoff position by trade deadline</blockquote
is short-sighted (or maybe you don’t really mean expendable?)
We need a bench dude!
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by Duby Dub Dubs on Dec 29, 2010 3:59 PM PST up reply actions
I’m not sure I get how any of the proposed trades are supposed to do anything at all for us.
The first nets us only the additional “savings” of Amundson’s salary. That’s pretty minimal and seems to amount to "trade for sake of trade. For what it’s worth, Amundson is one a one year deal with a player option. He may not be here next year.
The latter two would seem to be about getting rid of Biedrins in a cap dump situation. In a vacuum, this might allow us to spend more shopping for a free agent big man, combining what we’re currently paying to someone like Gadzuric (and perhaps Amundson) with what we’re currently paying to Biedrins and somehow getting the “impact big man” out of this deal. Fine, save that simply having the money does not necessarily net us the ‘impact big man’. Said player must first actually exist as a free agent and then must be willing to come here.
There’s two ways to try for the second half: one is to pay much more than anyone else can, but this runs the risk of overpaying someone, winding up with someone who may or may not be an upgrade of of what we had. And this is ignoring the first part: identifying the player to (over)pay.
The first part seems to be the trickiest. Who out there is going to be the upgrade over Biedrins? The answer that keeps being pushed out is Marc Gasol. I think this is a grass-is-greener evaluation though. It’s not a given that Gasol is a better solution. Gasol seems to be a bit more offensively potent than Biedrins, but it’s not like he’s a go to force. He’s also an inferior rebounder. Substantially so. Is he a better position defender to make up for the rather significant setback on the boards this would cost us? I’m not sure, but it’s not a given. One thing that is a given is that Gasol is older than by a bit more than a year. Given that grabbing Gasol will mean paying him more if we’re to do this (compounded by him being a restricted free agent meaning that reasonable offers are more likely to be matched by Memphis), it seems like something akin to an idiotic move to try for this at the cost of Biedrins.
by jae on Dec 29, 2010 12:32 PM PST reply actions 3 recs
His thoughts
and a lot like it have been put forward countless times on this blog in various comment sections by various posters. Really not much in there that we haven’t heard before.
It's biodigital jazz, man.
by Reverend_Randy on Dec 29, 2010 5:03 PM PST up reply actions
True Rev but as we have new owners who have said that they actually read the fan blogs...
I can’t help but feel that posting these ideas now, might be a lil less meaningless. Not to mention I gotta give something for you and Jae to do…
oh and just because you a thoughtful refutation…doesn’t mean your right =D lol
Yeah,
but he is. Gasol is a worse defender and rebounder than Biedrins. He’s a better scorer and passer. That’s the trade off you make.
Gasol is the only center we could really get and the Grizzlies would probably just match his salary because he’s restricted, I think.
It's biodigital jazz, man.
by Reverend_Randy on Dec 29, 2010 6:47 PM PST up reply actions
Would make sense if there's a gameplan on what to do with the extra cap space.
Nice idea to open up some more cap space. However, this year’s FA class won’t be nearly as strong a last year. Melo is the only big name and it seems he’s already made up his mind on where he’s going to play ( with Knicks).
I found a guy just like Yao at minimum cost!
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by ILoveWarriorsGirls on Dec 31, 2010 10:46 PM PST reply actions
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