Who will W's trade...?
by cazzuno on Dec 29, 2010 5:58 PM PST
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PrintFIrst of all i am loving the fact that the Warriors are winning the games they should be winning (vs teams under .500). The blowouts vs the elites are not concerning especially with this team. But realistically the W's won't make the playoffs this year, so we need to aim at our core players & building for the future...who will not be a warrior uniform at the end of Feb?
Warriors have 6 expiring contracts and Acie Law, so we have good flexibility but a player that isnt in the future plans and on that list should be considered expendable...
Curry - Only untouchable on team, period
Lee - Don't see a benefit in trading a 20-10 guy that hustle unless we get a 20-20 guy that hustle's, is 5yrs younger, and makes 7million less a year (yes i am bitter we dont have Love)
Ellis - Whats that saying, buy low...sell high? Would net top talent and alleviate some $11mil over next 4yrs
Biedrins - Whats that saying...should have sold high and now your screwed? Still young but hasnt improved & will be tough to find a trade partner that wants him for 36mil/4yrs
Udoh - Unless Melo is involved probably will see him in a W's uniform for the next 5-7 yrs
D. Wright - Nice contract & playing as well as anyone could have expected...pretty much every playoff team needs a sharpshooter who plays D.
R. Williams - Same as Wright but without the contract, with current deal is more of rental with some good potential for very little $
Amundson - Big utility guy with lots of spirit...every playoff team needs a guy like this
Vlad Rad - Has been playing inspired ball but still makes goofy mistakes, then again a big man that shoots 3's and a little playoff experience is nice to have. For $3mil for the rest of the season might be too steep a price to pay.
Gadzuric - Backup Center who probably plays 3-7minutes, if mediocre Center goes down might be able to fill in...but probably not
Carney - If D. Wright/Williams go he stays...if they dont trade those two he could be a nice trading piece for 300K
B Wright - Worthless...
Charlie Bell - Even more worthless....
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Still young but hasnt improved & will be tough to find a trade partner that wants him for 36mil/4yrs
He improved quite a bit from his rookie year till 2009.
It's biodigital jazz, man.
I think he really means he is who he is
Okay defender, great rebounder and offensively challenged
"There is nothing like a wise phrase or quote to help convince others that your decision makes sense." - Anon
"If you're ever in a fair fight, then your tactics suck." ಠ_ಠ
Ben Wallace is offensively challenged
For most of his career, Biedrins has been fine on offense.
I do know what you mean- he hasn’t really expanded his game. It’s not fair to say that he hasn’t improved, though, because he improved in all of those categories. He’s improved as a defender, rebounder, scorer.
It's biodigital jazz, man.
by Reverend_Randy on Dec 29, 2010 8:19 PM PST up reply actions
I think he's improved
But hasn’t grown as a player, you know what I mean? It concerns me, and he’s gotten worse protecting the rim as well
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"If you're ever in a fair fight, then your tactics suck." ಠ_ಠ
He's kind of taken a step back this year
for whatever reason.
It's biodigital jazz, man.
by Reverend_Randy on Dec 29, 2010 10:02 PM PST up reply actions
He's actually been good defensively this year.
It’s weird. I can’t really say he’s taken a step back on that end of the court.
Some of his offensive struggle is related to the team going to him less. But I think it’s undeniable that he seems to be less aggressive offensively, and I suspect his FT woes (which are entirely mental) are part of the problem.
The truth is we don’t need a lot of offense from him if the rest of the team offense is functioning, but the reality is that it’s not. And then he has a game like that one where he exploded for 20+ points nad it’s like – I don’t need to see that every day, but a little bit of it? C’mon.
It’s frustrating. But it’s more complicated than “he’s taken a step back” this year.
Kind of? He used to get after it offensively.
Now he’s too busy being a puss to find the rim for a shot. Biedrins circa early 2008-2009 I really, really want back. Biedrins 2012 version sucks donkey…well you know.
The only thing Beans greatly improves is our rebounding.
"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."
I mean 2011
I claim to be no Warrior-damus.
"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."
He helps our defense too
He is still a useful player, but his offense is pretty bad this season.
It's biodigital jazz, man.
by Reverend_Randy on Jan 2, 2011 6:46 PM PST up reply actions
His rebounding and length help the most defensively.
Where we need help is low post defense. Our team basically sends help every time we’re in a post up situation which messes up our defense. We need to either A) get better post defenders to not send so much help and/or B) stop sending people to dig in the post and play things straight up unless someone gets hot.
Beans is a better weakside defender. But he’s stopped blocking shots as he’s done in the past.
I’m starting to dig an Okafor for Beans swap if NOH are down.
"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."
I don’t get what’s with people wanting to trade Biedrins? It’s hard to find a guy who rebounds just as well. He’s not a great offensive player or defender, but he does alright in those categories and we pay him a reasonable amount of money. He isn’t the problem with the team. Honestly, lots of people here focus more on offense than they do defense.
For me it's more about if we have to trade him for Wallace or Iggy I'd love it
But a marginal trade? No, I only would deal him for the right guy. I’m not opposed to him and Udoh splitting minutes since they compliment each other well. I’d like us to somehow get Wallace but if we can’t I want to use an expiring to get a legit backup PG or SF
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"If you're ever in a fair fight, then your tactics suck." ಠ_ಠ
by dubzfan on Dec 29, 2010 9:10 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
+1
no one on this roster (not even Steph or Monta) is untouchable
But a marginal trade? No
Obviously, you ask us who we want to go, we are mostly going to pick the dudes warming the far end of the bench (Bell, and BWright). Next up is players in a position we would like to improve at (and this is where Beans “the latvian legend” comes in)
I am firmly in the “don’t trade Beans unless it is a sweet deal” camp.
Yeah, would be nice to have a great all-around player, but Beans serves an incredibly useful role on this team, and if we lose that, we are going to create a whole new set of problems
Gratitude is not only the greatest of virtues, but the parent of all others.
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by Duby Dub Dubs on Dec 30, 2010 9:32 AM PST up reply actions
Spit balling trade ideas
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=2c4xly7 (Not super crazy)
CHA does it cause: They are unloading a lot of pay role and get the legit PG they want. Getting Andre Miller would be hard and BDiddy seems like a last resort, Brooks is a young PG who can develop with that team.
HOU does it cause: They lack scorers, especially at SF and Jack if he gets motivated (which he would since he wanted to be traded to the Rockets in the first place) could kick in as the 3rd scorer they need. Lowry and Smith fill in at PG well and Henderson is a young guy with some potential
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=2dbhctr (Super crazy)
SAC does it cause: Thompson is apparently on the block and Whiteside was sent to the D-league . They have 0 outside shooters or wing scorers since Reke is sucking. Rudy and Jack become the shooters they need
POR does it cause : Rudy wants out and Miller may not be long for Portland. They centers they have between Joel and Oden are always hurt so Beans and Landry can maybe stabilize that front court . DJ takes Miller’s spot
CHA does it cause: They really want Miller? They do clear some pay roll in losing Diop, Jack and Wallace and Joel has a big expiring
"There is nothing like a wise phrase or quote to help convince others that your decision makes sense." - Anon
"If you're ever in a fair fight, then your tactics suck." ಠ_ಠ
The* centers...
"There is nothing like a wise phrase or quote to help convince others that your decision makes sense." - Anon
"If you're ever in a fair fight, then your tactics suck." ಠ_ಠ
Another one , not very good though
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=29s5tnf
LAC: They lose Baron and get the SF they have been looking for and save lots of money
DET: They get a center they so desperately need
CHA: They get a PG and get a big expiring
"There is nothing like a wise phrase or quote to help convince others that your decision makes sense." - Anon
"If you're ever in a fair fight, then your tactics suck." ಠ_ಠ
Try providing information in your mock trades. A good start would be what the trade is. Just a link to the ESPN site so that someone has to follow it to have any idea what you are proposing makes for a low quality post.
The link was supposed to take you straight to the trade
It takes me to it when I click it, maybe your browser is messed up or something?
Here it is though: GSW gets D.Jordan, G.Wallace and Diop
LAC gets: Prince, Najera, Wilcox and cash
CHA gets: Baron, Gaz and BW
DET get : Vlad and Beans
"There is nothing like a wise phrase or quote to help convince others that your decision makes sense." - Anon
"If you're ever in a fair fight, then your tactics suck." ಠ_ಠ
The ESPN trade machine is notoriously wonky, and often returns a blank trade.
But really, it’s much easier for everyone to follow if they don’t have to click through to another page to see what you’re talking about.
Yes, I realize that the link is supposed to take you there. Here’s the thing: it’s a better post if you don’t have to use the link. I don’t have to rely on ESPN’s site returning something.
To simplify matters, I think I can sum up all of dubzfan’s trade proposals.
Warriors get: something really good that no team would ever give up for a package centered around Andris Biedrins.
Warriors give: a package centered around Andris Biedrins.
Addendum: even if we’re getting something fantastically good like LeBron or Dwight Howard, Monta Ellis is totally off-limits.
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on Dec 30, 2010 8:38 PM PST up reply actions
What?
I’d trade Monta for them in a heartbeat. I think we need 1 more piece to take the next step. Trading Monta for Wallace for example would just be swapping 2 key guys. We need another player to go with our core, not move our core
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"If you're ever in a fair fight, then your tactics suck." ಠ_ಠ
I think an Ellis for Wallace swap would improve us by a lot. Our offense would suffer, but more importantly our defense would improve, which is something we desperately need. I’m not trying to hate on Monta or anything because I do like how his efficiency vastly improved from last year, but it’s just that we’ll always struggle defensively when Curry and Monta play in the backcourt. Getting rid of Curry would be a worst scenario because he actually has the size and length to be an average defender for his position and a PG is more important than a SG (unless you run a triangle offense).
size and length to be an average defender for his position
But he’s too slow and not quick enough to guard PG’s
size and length to be an average defender for his position
Well if we fire Smart at the end of they year and get Shaw……
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"If you're ever in a fair fight, then your tactics suck." ಠ_ಠ
The athletic guards are the ones that give Curry trouble when it comes to speed. Like a Westbrook, Rose, Wall, etc. I think he’ll do fine in the future as long as he’s taught how to play some defense.
Derek Fisher has given him lots of issues before
Fisher.
"There is nothing like a wise phrase or quote to help convince others that your decision makes sense." - Anon
"If you're ever in a fair fight, then your tactics suck." ಠ_ಠ
Whenever we play LA?
Fisher always seems to get into him on defense , even Mike Bibby played well against him
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"If you're ever in a fair fight, then your tactics suck." ಠ_ಠ
You’re still on that Bibby game? Bibby is an efficient scorer. His TS% on the season is like .600. He scored 15 points at good efficiency. It happens, man.
It's biodigital jazz, man.
by Reverend_Randy on Jan 2, 2011 6:46 PM PST up reply actions
I see what you are saying.
But how do we get a core piece without giving up a core piece… i don’t understand?
by GovernorStephCurry on Dec 30, 2010 11:14 PM PST up reply actions
Biedrins, over 12 mil in expirings, BW and a pick?
That could get us something good
"There is nothing like a wise phrase or quote to help convince others that your decision makes sense." - Anon
"If you're ever in a fair fight, then your tactics suck." ಠ_ಠ
Our pick situation is tricky with a first owed to NJ for Marcus Williams. We can’t trade future 1sts in consecutive years, meaning that until we know if and when the NJ pick will be conveyed, we’re in a bit of a bind trying to send out a future first. The conditions we’d have to put on it would make it far less interesting to a trading partner. Second round picks are interesting, but they don’t have a whole lot of value in trades. They’re afterthoughts.
Biedrins and the expirings (Brandan counts as one of those since a team that gets him will have to figure out what to do with him if they want to keep him) is a package that can match an elite player’s salary, but I don’t know what elite player we could get for him. Who is on the block? To get something good, someone has to be offering something good.
No one elite can be had for that unless someone was either dumb, needed a center badly or the guy wants out bad
Maybe Prince and a filler for that? Prince is an expiring contract though. It all depends on what happens near the deadline with certain teams, if Philly falls apart Iggy goes on the market. If they are right there in the 8th seed area I doubt he goes
"There is nothing like a wise phrase or quote to help convince others that your decision makes sense." - Anon
"If you're ever in a fair fight, then your tactics suck." ಠ_ಠ
i actually really like the first trade
since im a warriors fan only.
having wallace on the w’s without losing curry or ellis would be a godsend. but houston gets pinned pretty hard. it leaves them super weak on pg’s, and brooks (although injured) is an incredibly nice pg (having the most improved player of year is always a plus)
charlotte would be losing some points and defense though. i dont know how much this would make them better
Steph + Monta for Prez
by j-spliff415 on Dec 30, 2010 10:09 AM PST up reply actions
not really
they go big man overload if it happened. aldridge, camby, beans, gadzuric, marks, landry, oden…
they would be spread waaaaaay to thin everywhere else
Steph + Monta for Prez
by j-spliff415 on Dec 30, 2010 10:06 AM PST up reply actions
Ellis – Whats that saying, buy low…sell high? Would net top talent and alleviate some $11mil over next 4yrs
What top talent? Top talent cheaper than Monta?
by Only In Fairfax on Dec 29, 2010 9:59 PM PST reply actions
Ellis – Whats that saying, buy low…sell high? Would net top talent and alleviate some $11mil over next 4yrs
What top talent? Top talent cheaper than Monta?
by Only In Fairfax on Dec 29, 2010 10:00 PM PST reply actions
Let's get all starters healthy for 15+ straight games & then make a decision
So far, injuries have prevented this team from developing synergy. Will the starting 5 take on the Celtics/Lakers/Spurs … nope. However, it’s much easier to see where/how to improve the team when we see the starting 5 on the floor.
Once Riley can see the starting five healthy, it’ll also give him a much better idea on what type of role players or bench players can really make a difference.
I see where you're going with this
But I dont agree with a lot of your assessments.
Curry is not untouchable if the right trade comes along.
Im not sure how you expect to get top talent back for Monta AND “alleviate some $11mil over next 4yrs.” I actually think Monta’s contract is really reasonable. Same goes for your Bean’s comment, I think his contract is pretty good.
Im not sure what you mean with the Udoh comment, and most have agreed Mello would not be a good fit on this team anyway.
Your point for David Lee should be the same point for all our starters. We should make the trade only if we get better talent, who is younger, cheaper, and a better fit for us. LOL.
I’d say your Monta advice fits with VladRad: buy low, SELL HIGH
by WestCoastWarrior on Dec 30, 2010 10:29 AM PST reply actions
Curry is not untouchable
I’d find 15 players I’d trade him for in a heartbeat
Well of course. But the problem is are those 15 players’ teams be willing to deal their star player for a package that includes Curry?
Who knows/probably not
That is true with any of our players, but it doesnt mean Curry is untouchable.
by WestCoastWarrior on Dec 30, 2010 1:59 PM PST up reply actions
Same could be said for Monta and Lee
by WestCoastWarrior on Jan 2, 2011 1:27 PM PST up reply actions
Not really
I think Monta and Lee could be had for less than a “top player in the league.”
It's biodigital jazz, man.
by Reverend_Randy on Jan 2, 2011 6:47 PM PST up reply actions
If this team doesn't show improvement.
I’d be all for shipping them both out for expirings at the end of the year, and starting over.
Monta Ellis' #1 FAN!!!
by GovernorStephCurry on Jan 2, 2011 7:24 PM PST up reply actions
Expirings + young, cheap players. *
Monta Ellis' #1 FAN!!!
by GovernorStephCurry on Jan 2, 2011 7:25 PM PST up reply actions
Beans first.
Instead of having either Curry or Monta go, I think the decision comes down to either Monta or Beans. Both guys aren’t + defenders, but having a bad defender at the 5 hurts us much more.
Go after Okafor, Chandler, Camby, etc. I wouldn’t mind a slight downgrade in rebounding if our defense was much more sound inside the paint.
Obviously if there’s no trades to make, i’m fine keeping both until the offseason to see what we can make of them then.
"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."
Biedrins is not a bad defender.
It is a myth created by his haters. He is a good defensive player overall. He plays with only one decent defender in Dorell (and Udoh now) and has 3 or 4 guys coming at the rim all the time.
Monta Ellis' #1 FAN!!!
by GovernorStephCurry on Jan 2, 2011 9:44 PM PST up reply actions
What i'm saying is
that long term the W’s will have to upgrade their 5 over what Beans can currently offer.
Unless of course he can turn back the clock both offensively and defensively. And i’m just talking about getting back to levels in which he’s reached in past years. We’ll see how this plays out this year I presume.
"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."
Both guys aren’t + defenders, but having a bad defender at the 5 hurts us much more.
Numbers this year do not support this.
This year, Monta’s presence on the court has made the team weaker defensively than when he’s been on the bench. It’s been outweighed by him helping the team overall on offense.
By contrast, Biedrins has been effectively neutral (no change in team offensive output) on or off the court, but has been a net asset to the team’s defensive performance. I suspect that almost all of that has to do with his rebounding, which is dreadfully important to defense.
“Bad defense from the 5” with Biedrins playing has had less of a negative impact this year than bad defense from Monta.
Beans has played much smaller sample of minutes.
I’ve watched Beans this year and while he’s not a negative FOR US, I would never call him a good defender. He lacks the physical skills that I feel we’re going to need for an eventual playoff run.
You can’t tell me Beans is an ideal defender at the 5 when his post defense is dreadful, and he’s not even blocking shots like he used to. I’m fully aware of how much his rebounding helps his defense and our team defense overall. I’m just saying I bet a guy like Okafor can do what Beans is doing right now, plus give us a lot better defense down low.
But like I said, If Beans can go back to his old self, I’ll shut up. But until then I’ll go with what I see.
"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."
You can’t tell me Beans is an ideal defender at the 5
And I never did. But ideal is something that most teams have to do without for a big man because the number of ideal big men, even just as defenders, is smaller than the number of NBA teams.
I bet a guy like Okafor can do what Beans is doing right now, plus give us a lot better defense down low.
Possible. Okafor has been a remarkably consistent rebounder who, at his peak isn’t quite what Biedrins is at his peak, but is certainly more than adequate on the glass. He’s also paid a couple million more now with a salary that escalates for several more years, ending when he’s in his 30s. And it’s not clear that he’s a better defender. This year, the Hornets have been a better defensive team when he’s been out than when he’s played. Last year their defensive results were pretty much identical with and without Okafor. The on/off court can be influenced by the backup, but who is Okafor’s sub who, this year has improved their defense or last year was as effective on D as he was?
by jae on Jan 3, 2011 1:47 PM PST up reply actions
Most teams have at least one guy in the starting rotation that can defend a big man down low.
I don’t trust Beans there at all. Add in the fact that we have to play David Lee and I don’t see how we can’t afford to upgrade the defense at the 5 position. I’m not even asking for a complete big in a Beans trade, just a guy who has a bit more size and bulk to defend, and won’t have a huge drop off rebounding the ball.
And we keep talking like our defense is “good” with Beans in there. I still think it’s pretty bad, but better than last year. Inconsistency has a lot to do with it, but I wonder if it is due to philosophy more so than our guys lack of size, skill, willingness, etc…
"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."
Or maybe I should say body up down low.
AB’s a stick that resorts to touch fouls. Not always his fault, but it kills our defense/momentum.
"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."
And we keep talking like our defense is "good" with Beans in there.
“We” do? I don’t think many people have said that the Warriors defense is good. It might be a point you’d like to argue against, but it looks like you might be making a bit of a strawman here.
by jae on Jan 3, 2011 6:44 PM PST up reply actions
OK, I just quickly looked at some of his advanced stats, and largely nothing has changed over his career marks other than his block%. So I guess I was being bullish on Beans a bit too much.
I’m still down for the Okafor swap though. He’s got a slightly better DWS, better block%, and has similar (smaller peak) rebounding stats as Beans.
I hate arguing with you Jae, It’s like arguing with computer. =)
"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."
I guess "top player in the league" leaves a lot of wiggle room for interpretation
What do you mean by top player? With Curry, I think we would just want a top pg, not necessarily top player. Are you suggesting Curry is worthy of a kobe/lebron type trade, but Monta and crew are not?
by WestCoastWarrior on Jan 3, 2011 10:06 AM PST up reply actions
Absolutely
I think Curry’s trade value is much higher than Monta or Lee’s.
It's biodigital jazz, man.
by Reverend_Randy on Jan 4, 2011 7:34 PM PST up reply actions
Key word: think.
I’m glad you’re not a gm. Monta has already proved himself to be the top guy on his team. Most GM’s aren’t drowned in stats like Rev is.
GovernorStephCurry Loves Keith Smart/Kobe Bryant and Monta's defense.
by HerFavColo(u)r on Jan 4, 2011 7:44 PM PST up reply actions
I’m glad you’re not a gm.
Why — you looking to trade Monta?
Most GM’s aren’t drowned in stats like Rev is.
Perhaps not, but most GMs can tell the difference between a productive PG making $3M a year and a productive undersized SG making $11M.
There will be no extra point!
Why — you looking to trade Monta?
No I am not looking to trade Monta. I think we have a special and very unique tandem with Monta and Curry. The problem is (which I can easily understand) is that people want immediate results. This unit is going to need some time to grow together to make it to that next step of a playoff contending team.
GovernorStephCurry Loves Keith Smart/Kobe Bryant and Monta's defense.
by HerFavColo(u)r on Jan 5, 2011 12:22 PM PST up reply actions
. I think we have a special and very unique tandem with Monta and Curry.
but this is the NBA not special olympics.
Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Jan 5, 2011 12:26 PM PST up reply actions
That was a retarded response.
GovernorStephCurry Loves Keith Smart/Kobe Bryant and Monta's defense.
by HerFavColo(u)r on Jan 5, 2011 12:41 PM PST up reply actions
+1 no-player should ever be untouchable
players will become untouchable because gm’s will bow to pressure from the fans but thats a different issue
got it…its 99.999999999999% unlikely for steph curry to get traded
lacob’s legacy will not begin with trading away 22 year old pg face of the team and soon to be face of the league…regardless of who it nets
It's hard to imagine a reasonable offer which would justify trading Curry.
I mean, if Paul was available, you’d have to do it, though, wouldn’t you?
For me, that would go without saying.
"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."
face of the league?
You’re nuts. I like Curry as much as the next guy, but get real. I’m hoping for “playoff mainstay” and sometimes and all star. Curry will never, ever, ever be on Lebron’s level. If we are very lucky, he may become the next Nash. And Nash has never been the “face of the league”.
by Uwe Blog on Jan 4, 2011 11:57 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Mickael Pietrus anyone?
Pietrus would be a perfect fit for our roster. He was a fan favorite and fits our needs. He could back up DWright and bring defense and energy. I know he was just traded to the Suns but trade him for BWright plus Carney when available. Let the “Bring back Pietrus Movement” begin!!
by masterpeej on Dec 30, 2010 12:22 PM PST via mobile reply actions
He's a reasonable fit, but he's really not that good.
Yes, he’d improve our bench – basically by taking away Carney’s minutes – but let’s not pretend that’s going to make a huge difference.
So, a more expensive Carney?
"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."
We are rumored to want Telfair
Which tells me we want a better backup PG. Assuming the Cavs want to trade Sessions or Gibson which one would you want?
"There is nothing like a wise phrase or quote to help convince others that your decision makes sense." - Anon
"If you're ever in a fair fight, then your tactics suck." ಠ_ಠ
Sessions, hands down. Gibson is another undersized 2 who gets tasked with impersonating a point guard dues to his lack of size. Gibson is a much better shooter, but Sessions is a legitimate distributor who can take care of the ball and set up teammates. He’s also a better rebounder and gets to the line with regularity. I expect neither to be a huge impact, but Gibson subbing for Curry would keep Monta on the ball more often. Anything that prolongs the amount of game where Monta can play off the ball rather than expose his somewhat questionable PG skills is a positive.
Sessions. He’s put up some pretty inspiring performances.
by Uwe Blog on Dec 31, 2010 1:53 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
Gibson.
Has a better offensive game, and has been much improved as a ball-handler and passer this season. He’s been playing mostly off-ball, but that’s what happens when you have Mo Williams and a true distributor like Sessions coming off the bench. There’s very little time for Gibson at the point in Cleveland, but he’d do just fine as our backup point guard. The problem that leaves is you have to give him his minutes if you’re going to go out and acquire him in a trade, so that would leave us with 3 guards that are not very big, because Gibson would play alongside Curry as well as Ellis.
I think Gibson is the better player, so I’d want him given a choice of him or Sessions. I still think our best option is Telfair, who we could play as solely a PG. Both Sessions and Boobie have 3 year contracts worth more than $12 million apiece, whereas Telfair’s contract is just one year under $3 million. He’s much more of a rental that we wouldn’t handicap us if he weren’t a good fit. As I said before, there’s also zero demand to give him minutes alongside Curry or any significant minutes at all.
Monta.
When you say better offensive game
do you just mean scoring? Sessions is kind of like a poor man’s Rondo. Not much of a scorer or shooter, but a very good passer. He’s posting a 2.57 A/TO ratio this year and has a career 6.9 assists per 36 to 2.7 TO/36.
I think the way our team is set up, we need a guy to handle off the bench and not a guy to score.
It's biodigital jazz, man.
by Reverend_Randy on Dec 31, 2010 8:57 PM PST up reply actions
No.
I mean the difference between Boobie’s and Ramon’s scoring is large, and while Sessions is the better distributor, it’s not by nearly as much. So his offensive game is better. Boobie isn’t often asked to handle the ball for them, but he has done a good job. He has a 2.24 AST/TO ratio this season and has a nearly a 2 flat ratio for his career. Like I said, though, he doesn’t really fit and Sessions isn’t worth the contract.
Monta.
Sessions
is about twice as good of a distributor as Boobie Gibson ever was. He’s basically a spot up shooter. Boobie is an good 3 point shooter, has above average scoring efficiency, but is not a distributor in the least.
Sessions is too expensive for our purposes, and that’s a legitimate point, but he’s a much better fit offensively.
Boobie’s stats kind of remind me of CJ Watson with a worse A/TO ratio.
It's biodigital jazz, man.
by Reverend_Randy on Jan 2, 2011 6:51 PM PST up reply actions
There are some similarities between CJ and Boobie...
but CJ takes better care of the ball while not being quite as good of a passer. As a Warrior, he played a lot more on-ball than Boobie ever has for the Cavs. Both are good shooters from the outside and both need some work on the defensive end. Sessions must drive to score, and I think that’s one of the reasons he would NOT fit with Monta. He’s actually pretty good when it comes to drawing a foul, but if on the court with Monta, the defense will almost certainly play off of him, making it just as difficult for Monta to cut for an easy basket. With a player like Watson or Gibson, defenses must defend the the three, creating more space for players off the ball to work with. I think Boobie is a good enough distributor to fit our need of a backup point guard. He’s improved his handling and passing every year since he’s come into the league, and this season, when he’s been forced into a PG role (with Mo Williams hurt), he’s performed well. In the first 3 games of the season, with Mo out, he had 18 assists to just 4 turnovers. He also had a separate 8 assist game when Williams was injured again. I know it’s not really a big sample of games to go off of, and it’s sort of picking and choosing, but from what I’ve seen, when he’s been thrust into a PG role, he’s performed well, and I think he’s a better and more versatile player than Sessions. He’s also quicker than most people give him credit for. Either way, it probably doesn’t matter because both do cost too much for our purposes (at least at this point).
Monta.
What if we traded Bell and Gaz for Sessions
And BW and 2nd for Josh Howard? Throw in Vlad if they want
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this would be ideal
but then we’d be down two roster spots. D league here we come
Steph + Monta for Prez
Call up Lin and Adrien
Problem solved
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just was checking up on current FA....
whats wrong with Aleksandar Pavlovic as a possibility for sf?……
sick shot, great defense….could be a good backup to dorrell. anything to make this bench stronger.
and for our backup pg, maybe sign critterton (really unpolished player but good size for a pg, solid defense, and young? yes a headcase but thats nothing new to the warriors)
?
….give joe alexander another chance?
trades would be best, but their are suitable options out there on the FA market. i just dont know who we would cut if they were signed
their are bench solutions out there
Steph + Monta for Prez
Everyone you mentioned would be a viable candidate
For 11th or 12th men on a legit NBA roster.
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