Monta needs to step up and be the man by letting Curry be the man

It’d be better if Monta was working with ANYONE on the team. He’s a scorer, an incredible one at that, but with that comes his flaws of making people around him better; the only person he fully trusts his Corey. Curry seems to trust who ever is open! Unfortunately, I don’t see Monta giving up the reign of the team.

It’s also a player’s responsibility to understand what assets he has on the team other than himself. Monta’s best has proven to not be good enough. He doesn’t realize that his best would be to have confidence in Curry like the entire Suns team has in Nash or the Hornets in Paul.

Am I saying Curry is like Nash and Paul? Yes, yes I am. Am I basing it on his triple-double game? No, not at all. That has nothing to do with it other than affirming that the kid can play.

stop telling monta to let go of the ball, when its the coaches decision.

I still just don’t think Monta has much to work with

This argument has been “debunked” a number of times, and I think it just needs to die.

One great game by Steph hasn’t proved he can run things better then Monta.

I didn’t once mention his triple-double game. I just said Curry has been blossoming into a really good player, a top rookie. I wouldn’t say that based on one great game. He’s consistently shown that he can handle the PG duties and he has the maturity and the smarts to take on a bigger role than Monta. Monta just needs to realize this.

Nellie realizes this and has continually praised Curry’s game, saying he’s the smartest player he has.

ALSO, even if what you are saying is true, and Monta should let Curry have more time with the ball, you’re blaming the wrong person. Nelson is the one who is telling the guys what the game plan is and he is obviously relying on Monta big time. If its best for the team to get Curry the ball more, Nelson has to implement that strategy, not Monta.

I don’t disagree with you but if you watch the games closely, Monta will affirmatively NOT pass the ball to Curry several times throughout the course of a game. Not only does Curry put others in great positions he also puts himself in great positions to score. His hands are always ready to catch and shoot. Morrow is similar but Curry is actually better at putting himself in a position to score. He’s quicker and faster and understands how to use screens more effectively than Morrow.

All that being said, sure, it may be up to Nellie instruct Monta to find his other players, but Monta’s instincts are to score first. A lot of his assists come from the fact that his first option to score has failed and he has to pass the ball.

Monta can also help Curry by trusting Curry that he’ll get him the ball IF Monta puts himself in that position. Again, I believe Curry is better at putting himself in a position to score off a pass.

then he has no business playing in the NBA. If he has has to be the best player on his team, he’ll never accomplish anything.

Dude, you know what, I woke up this morning thinking back about your post and realized that my post may seem plagiarized. That was totally not my intention and I apologize for even appearing that way. Either way, your post helped some in formulating my post. So, we’ll just call it a collaborative effort. Besides, your thread is more popular. LOL

I edited my post at the top to reflect this.

I disagree. A coach instructs his player on what he should do. Then the player decides how to channel that instruction. I do not think Monta is given the green light for everything. I think team basketball is emphasized, as much as many people won’t accept that any coaching whatsoever is happening in GSW land. I think Monta understands this but once he’s on the court, he lets his instincts get the better of him.

He thinks:

1) he is the fastest player in the league
2) that he can score 50 points on any given night
3) he is the leader of the team

Because of these reasons, he is using his God given ability to score. When the opportunity to score isn’t there, he is forced to pass. He doesn’t pass because it’s the right play. He does it because it’s the only play. Not every play, but a lot of plays. IMO.

Not everything falls on the coach. Some things can be and should be remedied without coaching.

Monta is making a decision, on his drives, to shoot instead of to pass, despite the fact that he’s going 1-on-3 and other guys are open.

Now, maybe he doesn’t have the ability to make that pass. But I really doubt that Nellie has ever told him, “DOn’t pass to the open man, go 1-on-3 instead.”

Nellie deserves plenty of blame for the mess the Warriors have become … but Monta is not blameless here.

Are you serious? Other than providing the structure of a system, the decision making is all on the players. For example, no coach advocates pull up 3’s, but plenty of guys take them. The staff has even mentioned in the past they didn’t allow Monta to shoot in practice in order to increase his vision and this season they’ve supposedly pointed out via film to Monta instances where guys are open.

If anything your argument should be that Don Nelson gives his players too much freedom within his system. According to Tolbert’s conversation on knbr with Curry, Hardaway was even allowed to call plays at times to speed up their attack (instead of looking to the bench for the call every time). When they understand their limits, guys like Jack & Monta flourish with that freedom – only when they try to do too much does that freedom start bringing negative returns.

But no coach controls players – this is especially true in the NBA where the players make more money & have more real power than the coach (b/c it’s so much easier to fire the coach than the players).

This is the reverse of 06-07 when everyone thought Nellie was coaching great but all he really did was play Andris over Foyle and Barnes, Pietrus & Monta cut into Dunleavy, Murphy & an injured JRich’s time. The real coaching atrocity this season (also committed by Keith Smart) was playing Mikki (and to a lesser extent Vlad) over Randolph (& to some extent Hunter) when AB, RT & BW were out.

I’m okay with that b/c despite what happened with Joe Smith & Dunleavy, this team needs to stop picking in the 6-14 range & start picking in the 1-5 range if they’re ever going to be anything more than a fringe playoff team (not that it can’t be done – just stating the obvious – that it’s a lot easier to find superstars at the top).

That the vet feels as though he has to do everything, most vets do this. Baron even did it to Monta. We should have saw this coming. Nellie doesn’t trust rooks to much and vets want to be the man and never want to say " this rookie is the guy". Next year will be different. It’s a mindset of establishing dominance, but it’s also a mindset that doesn’t last very long

but it’s obvious he don’t want to offend Monta

you know this, how?

Nelson is lazy. He plays a dumb form of ball, where he wants quick shots if it’s in the half court. The highest percentage player for a quick shot where he can make his own shot is Monta. Anything else would require actual coaching.

THE COACH CONTROLS EVERYTHING THE PLAYERS DO. HE CAN SAY WHAT SHOULD BE DONE. Look at other teams, they are willing to leave their best player high and dry if they don’t do what the coach says.

If Nelson is really worried about what Monta thinks, THEN ITS NELSONS FAULT. HE IS THE COACH.

You’re right. Monta can still be the man but he still needs to adapt his role to the players on the team. Curry is the only player to play in every game. The asset for Monta to become a better player is right under his nose. He just needs to realize and accept it. I’m not saying it will happen, but it has to happen based on Curry’s level of play.

This has nothing to do with coaching and everything to do with the growth of Monta and Curry together.

Monta Ellis does not really have much to work with!

Nonsense. He has one of the league’s best 3-pt shooters. He has one of the league’s best guys to dish to when you’re at the end of a drive.

The notion that Monta is doing the best that he can doesn’t hold much water when you actually watch the game, and see Monta drive rather than pass to Morrow.

I think it has do a lot with Curry’s background and Monta’s.
Curry lived a very privaledged life , while Monta lived a bad life.
Monta seems jealous/envious of this.

But Monta just isnt smart enough or emotionally intelligent enough to pull this off with this team. Maybe some of the blame falls on Nellie for not being able to coach Monta effectively, but that’s what you get from a kid with little to no education and tons of butt kissing as a teanager. It takes a very special person to grow up under the same circumstances and turn out like a Kevin Garnett instead of a Monta Ellis.
The Warriors are eventually going to have to move on from Monta

A lot of the blame has to go to the front office for constructing this roster and eventually making it Monta’s team by default. Monta flourished with Baron Davis. I mean, let’s be honest, he was the key to all the success we had those two very brief seasons. It was the big reason for Monta’s success and supposed maturity. Without that veteran presence, he’s been given the keys to a rudderless ship and he’s proven that his best efforts can’t steer it the right way.

Again, he has a choice to defer more responsibility to Curry. Is he capable? Don’t know.

There is also a lot of bologna, but we all watch a lot of games and there are certain things that can be presented as facts.
The most important one is that Monta is not a leader on the floor and this season he has not been a facilitator. We need those two qualities badly with this roster.
I think the FO went to Monta and said, OK its your team now if you want it.
Monta probably said I can handle it. He wants to be the man whether he can be the man we need or not.
The FO should have known better, but hindsight is 50/50 and there was no way to know how mature Curry would look as a rookie. Hell, who knew he would get so many quality minutes?
I am in favor of letting Curry grow as a the PG, which inherently has a leadership role as distributor, and then adding a low post player who will be the team leader we need.
This is not an easy thing to accomplish, and it might not happen in 2010, but the moves to get there may need to start now.