RUMOR: Cavaliers talking to Warriors about Corey Maggette + LeBron James believes Maggette can help
by Atma Brother ONE on Feb 15, 2010 9:34 PM PST
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Don't you just love this time of the year? We've got a little something for everyone:
- RUMOR: Golden State Warriors, Minnesota Timberwolves, and Cleveland Cavaliers interested in Phoenix Suns power forward Amare Stoudemire
- RUMOR: Monta Ellis to Boston Celtics, Ray Allen to Golden State Warriors
- RUMOR: Amare Stoudemire to Golden State Warriors, Corey Maggette to Phoenix Suns
- RUMOR: Warriors looking to dump Andris Biedrins' contract to "achieve cost-savings"
- RUMOR: NBA teams talking Anthony Morrow + Warriors asking price for Andris Biedrins too high
- RUMOR: Warriors trying to get Cavaliers to take Corey Maggette for Zydrunas Ilgauskas (i.e., expiring contract)
- RUMOR: Monta Ellis and Andris Biedrins to Celtics, Ray Allen, Kendrick Perkins, and J.R. Giddens to Warriors
They sure do look happy together!
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Maggette for Big Z? It seemed like something only the Warriors would want (read: salary dump to help owner Chris Cohan), but it looks like the Cavs might be using it as Plan 2A. Words from Chris Broussard of ESPN The Magazine:
The Cleveland Cavaliers' pursuit of Amare Stoudemire continues, but in case they can't land the Phoenix Suns' All-Star forward, they have begun talks with the Golden State Warriors about Corey Maggette.
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In addition to speaking to the Washington Wizards regarding Antawn Jamison and the Indiana Pacers regarding Troy Murphy, Cleveland is in discussions with the Warriors about Maggette, according to four sources with knowledge of the talks.
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It is not clear whether the Cavaliers' second-choice is Jamison or Maggette. The discussions with Golden State have centered around Cleveland sending Ilgauskas and his $11.5 million expiring contract to the Warriors for Maggette. Other players, perhaps Cleveland's Danny Green and Golden State's Devean George, would have to be added to make the deal work financially.
Even King James believes:
LeBron James is aware of Cleveland's interest in Maggette, and sources close to him say he believes he could help the Cavaliers.
For obvious reasons that counts for a LOT.
Again it's time for the Dubs to SELL HIGH on Maggette:
I'm sick of seeing endless salary dumbs dumps by this team, but this one makes a lot of sense. Unlike trading Andris Biedrins right now (see RUMOR: NBA teams talking Anthony Morrow + Warriors asking price for Andris Biedrins too high) there isn't a more opportune moment of Corey Maggette's 5 year $50 million deal. He's netting nearly 21ppg in less than 13 attempts from the field and has only missed 4 of the Warriors 51 games this season. That's as good as it gets. There is virtually no upside to Maggette at this point and it's not like the Warriors are winning a ton of games with his maxed out production on a pretty lucrative long term deal.
If there's a time to sell high on Maggette, the time is now. Next season when he's 31 with a remaining 2 years on his deal at $21 million with additional wear and tear and most likely more missed games it's going to be even harder to move him. It might even be impossible and necessitate a contract buy-out which would have minimal benefits for the Warriors salary cap structure going forward.
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The equation for the Cavs may be one year — this year, or nothing. If Lebron walks, things get grim and they may feel it’s important to get him what he wants to try to keep him.
Agreed
It seems like the Cavs front office is willing to do anything and everything to keep Lebron past this year. Basically putting all their chips on the table, even if it means bad long term commitments.
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by JustSomeName on Feb 15, 2010 9:45 PM PST up reply actions
If you had Lebron...
…you’d go all-in too.
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And not to mention Maggette is the best player the Cavs are looking at (Amar’e, Murphy, Jamison), i don’t think its foolish that Lebron thinks he can help the team.
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I would think that Murphy is the best of the group. He’s very efficient as well, but he’s also a very good rebounder and doesn’t turn the ball over much. Sounds like the kind of player you would want alongside LeBron.
Thing C
Not at all
Murphy is not instant offense or someone who can create his own shot. Murphy would help as a starter, but really the Cavs biggest problem has been their lack of offense whenever Lebron isn’t in.
With Maggs, they would not have to change any team chemistry of the starting lineup, and have Maggs only come in whenever Lebron is out, thus avoiding any black hole problems…using Maggs as an instant offensive weapon against the opposing teams weaker second unit.
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And when LeBron is playing? Those guys don’t seem really compatible. Where does Maggette play in that instance? SG? Plus, both guys need the ball in their hand to be effective.
Murphy on the other hand is a better complementary player for the 38 minutes that LeBron actually does play. In the playoffs, he’ll probably play even more.
Thing C
Why would Maggs need to be in
When Lebron is in?
Maggs will only play when Lebron is out.
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I guess you are right, and I also am pretty sure they would want to start playing Lebron 30-35 min a game during the season if they had Maggs.
Also throw in the fact that Lebron can play 5 positions, Maggs and Lebron can probably coexist if they use Maggs as a slasher with Lebrons amazing passing abilities.
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by LostHawkGSW on Feb 15, 2010 10:03 PM PST up reply actions
It occurred to me that LeBron could “play” PG, whatever that means. He could probably play all 5 positions at once if he wanted. Still, their games don’t seem to mesh especially well, but I guess anything is better than Hickson.
Thing C
15 min of the two playing seprate, 5-10 min of them playing together. I think that would spell championship.
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by LostHawkGSW on Feb 15, 2010 10:06 PM PST up reply actions
Really? You think adding Corey Maggette = auto championship? You like him a lot more than I do.
Thing C
If your team is good enough to have him coming off the bench
Yes. Also the Cavs are the best team right now, add in Maggs to an already top team without losing anyone, yes. (They will get Big Z back since the Warriors will prob have to waive him).
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by LostHawkGSW on Feb 15, 2010 10:15 PM PST up reply actions
Maggette is the perfect player for that contender that is
looking to put itself over the top.
by Reverend_Randy on Feb 16, 2010 3:59 AM PST up reply actions
He could also play PF
and not really have it be small ball.
Maggette could also take some minutes at SG.
by Reverend_Randy on Feb 16, 2010 3:58 AM PST up reply actions
Its not a perfect fit with Maggette, and I agree Murphy is probably the best fit for them, but I think a “small” lineup with LeBron and Maggette at the 3 and 4 could be effective for 15-20 minutes per game. Obviously Maggette would play every minute LeBron doesn’t so that really only leaves 5-10 more minutes per game theyd probably want to squeeze Maggette in at the 2. I think Maggette is actually a better fit for them than Amare.
Thing A
When Murphy is off the floor for the Pacers, they are a good team. When he plays, they are Net’s esque.
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It’s true, his +/- is dreadful this year. I don’t really know why, though. He’s efficient, rebounding well, and isn’t turning the ball over. He must be a really, really awful defender to justify that +/-, or there are other factors at play.
Thing C
De-fense *clap* *clap*
Yeah, he’s that bad on that end of the floor.
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by olympicmike on Feb 15, 2010 10:43 PM PST up reply actions
I don’t think there’s ever been another player with a bigger career-long disconnect between their production and their plus-minus totals than Murphy. It sounds crazy, considering that he shoots 40% from beyond the arc and grabs ten rebounds a game, but he probably should not be starting for an NBA team. His defense is that bad.
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Score another one for “watch more games, look at fewer stats in your mom’s basement,” I guess.
Thing C
The anti-Murphy argument has it roots in maternal basements as well… none of our hands are clean of nerdiness. But statistically, his defense appears to be every bit as bad as we scarred Warriors fans remember. He basically rolls a red carpet to the basket for the Pacers’ opponents.
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Yeah...
It actually looks like he purposely surrenders clean looks at the basket to secure rebounding position for a possible miss at times. Seriously, who does that?
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by olympicmike on Feb 15, 2010 10:54 PM PST up reply actions
Madness. Sheer madness. Man, for all the headaches that Jack and Al caused, that was an absolute miracle of a trade.
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Score another one for "watch more games, look at fewer stats in your mom’s basement," I guess.
I guess something has to keep the stats from winning by another shutout.
Amen.
It’s rare that I can’t explain something using numbers. I suppose this happens more in basketball than in baseball, where virtually everything can be quantified.
Thing C
It’s rare that I can’t explain something using numbers.
I find it mostly applies to the defensive end than anything. Offense is pretty well quantified, defense….not so much.
by Missing Barry on Feb 16, 2010 8:41 AM PST up reply actions
… in baseball as in hoops. I still glaze over and/or am wholly unconvinced when the SABR types start in on UZR…
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by Sleepy Freud on Feb 16, 2010 9:46 AM PST up reply actions
I have a lot of confidence in UZR, I think it’s a pretty well created system for recording what happens, you just have to take one years worth of data with a grain of salt. It really just needs a big sample size. Also, UZR for 1B is questionable.
by Missing Barry on Feb 16, 2010 10:15 AM PST up reply actions
It’s rare that I can’t explain something using numbers. I suppose this happens more in basketball than in baseball, where virtually everything can be quantified.
Everything can be quantified in every subject cause stats are just a collection of events that have happened. The reason somethings aren’t explained by stats are that there are just not enough stats collected, you’d have to collect data on everything that ever happened to be able to quantify everything that every happened and the payoff would be you’d be too busy to know what was happening now while trying to deal with what happened yesterday.
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by Skeptic con Urquell on Feb 16, 2010 3:56 PM PST up reply actions
Just goes to show
Efficiency isn’t everything
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No, that has nothing to do with ANYTHING. This is only about his defense, and his defense only. Murphy is a good rebounder, and a good offensive player, but he’s the worst defensive player in the league.
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I even wonder about Murphy’s rebounding. I realize he gets lots of rebounds, but I have questions on whether he may let up more easy second chance baskets than you’d expect out of someone with his rebounding numbers, to the degree that he’d be an outlier….
by Missing Barry on Feb 16, 2010 8:43 AM PST up reply actions
Yup
we should be looking to replace all of our players with inefficient players that take defensive plays off.
by Reverend_Randy on Feb 16, 2010 4:01 AM PST up reply actions
Efficiency isn’t everything
People realize this. Volume matters, too. Volume is only good when you’re efficient, though.
by Missing Barry on Feb 16, 2010 8:42 AM PST up reply actions
Troy Murphy is one of the worst defensive big men in NBA history. He is nowhere near as useful as Amar’e, Jamison or Maggette… as scary as it sounds, all three of those guys play much better defense than he does. He has his uses, but if the Cavs end up with Murphy after all this, their trade deadline will have been an abject failure.
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haha subtraction by addition.
Warriors, Stupidest franchise in the league.
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Troy Murphy...
…I always had a soft spot for that guy. That said, I really can’t think of a team he’d make more sense for than the Cavs, since their All-World superstar is a guy who can dominate and score in the paint, and such a great passer to boot. Troy’d be shooting wide open threes all night long, cause you just can’t move your 4 or 5 out to guard the perimeter is LeBron is coming down the lane.
Seriously
The cavs biggest deficiency is their offensive production whenever Lebron is out. Imagine putting one of the best off the bench offensive producers in the league on their team. It could be VERY nasty. I dare say, if this deal goes through, that they would really be better than the Lakers.
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They are already better than the Lakers...
Lakers have not been as dominant as they should be with that roster…Cavs have been as good as the lakers, if not slightly better. Toss in Maggette comming off the bench whenever Lebron isnt in…
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by LostHawkGSW on Feb 15, 2010 10:17 PM PST up reply actions
Wow. Amar’e, Murphy, Jamison. Without scouring the bottom of the league for truly worthless benchwarmers, I’m not sure you could find a more porous group of defenders. What an impressive sieve at the 4 they’re looking at.
Jamison tries, but has yet to show any evidence that anything he does positive on D is anything more than an accident. Murphy is, uh, “challenged”, and Amar’e would appear to the tools, but appears to leave them in the shop.
I think they'd be better off with Antawn
He’d be able to spread the floor without getting in Shaq’s way down low, but I’d MUCH rather have them trade for Maggette, he’s been such a good teammate and a consumate professional, he deserves to play in the playoffs during his golden years as a player. However, I also think that Monta might lose it after he sees yet ANOTHER one of his best friends from the team go via trade of free agency (see: Baron Davis, Stephen Jackson, and now soon to be, Corey Maggette), seems like everyone he gets close to on the team eventually gets dealt away someway or another…
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Monta and Baron were close. I mean, I learned this today after watching that fanshot video, but Monta basically thought of Baron as a brother and Jackson as a cousin.
Monta and Maggette? No idea.
Not saying they're as close as Monta/Baron or even Monta/Jackson
But of all the players on this current roster, Monta seems like he’s closest with Maggette. Remember when Monta and Nelson got into an argument in NYC? I recall the article saying that Maggette was the mediator and was trying to calm Monta down. I don’t know, little things here and there like that makes me feel as if Monta is closest to Maggette on this current roster, just my two cents.
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by JustSomeName on Feb 16, 2010 9:35 AM PST up reply actions
Anyway we can snag JJ Hickson along the way?
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unlikely
i doubt cleveland would part with hickson to get Amare let alone maggette
by TheRealRocWill on Feb 15, 2010 9:58 PM PST up reply actions
No shot at all unless we give up a huge low contact asset like Morrow or Curry.
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I doubt it
If they arent getting a natural big man in return I doubt theyd want to give one up AND be without Big Z for a month. They’d have to give heavy minutes to Shaq, Varejao and LeBron at the 4 and 5 spots. Thats probably not what a team gearing up for the playoffs wants to do. And I think not having to part with Hickson might be the main reason the Cavs are looking to Maggette instead of one of the bigs they are rumored to be chasing. But I would love to see Leon Powe involved in this deal. Danny Green has been decent in his limited minutes with the Cavs but even with his terrible knees I’d love to see Powe back in the bay area.
Thing A
Oh Please Please Please
I am not in favor of salary dumps, except this one.
Please deal Corey!
As I see it, the problem here is two-fold:
1) I’m still not a believer that the Cavs are interested. How many swingmen (LBJ, Corey, Anthony Parker, JaMario Moon et al) do they need? Haven’t the Cavs won like 14 in a row as constructed? Sounds like the current strategy is working pretty good. If you are Danny Ferry, you have to be concerned that LBJ will bolt either way, and then you are stuck with Corey and his “efficiency.”
2) The Warriors wouldn’t know what to do with the cap space. Can one of the cap experts on this site explain exactly where that would leave the W’s? Would the W’s waive Z? Would the W’s be able to offer someone (e.g. Bosh) a max deal?
No, the Warriors would be under the cap but not nearly far enough to offer a FA a max contract.
Of course, cap space can be used for other things besides signing FAs. You can use it to re-sign your own players, or you can “rent” the cap space to teams desperate to shed payroll, which usually involves acquiring additional assets.
Thing C
1) Maggs is far better than anyone else on their team offensively after Lebron
2) The cap is being lowered…and we need to re sign Ammo and Raja…and we can use some money to sign a good vet at the MLE…and cap space = more room for ELLISON to work with!
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by LostHawkGSW on Feb 15, 2010 10:05 PM PST up reply actions
1) We are just not gonna see eye-to-eye on this one, but whatever. If I were the Cavs, I’d deal Mo Williams + Z and try to acquire a real PG, but that’s just me.
2) I don’t get this. Ammo? Raja? MLE for a good vet? Ugh….give me Bosh! So, the W’s have $10M tied up in Monta, $8M for Biedrins, $5M for Vlad, $4.5M for Turiaf, rookie contracts for BW, AR, and Curry. That’s about $36M, not even close to the cap. What am I missing?
by UncleCliffy on Feb 15, 2010 10:17 PM PST up reply actions
No max contract player wants to come here
until Ellison is the owner…
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by LostHawkGSW on Feb 15, 2010 10:18 PM PST up reply actions
$3m for Azubuike, plus the Ellis/Biedrins/Radmanovic contracts are actually $11m/$9m/$7m respectively.
Thing C
Jeez, that’s bad that I forgot about Kelenna…what a long season.
by UncleCliffy on Feb 15, 2010 10:22 PM PST up reply actions
Check out hoopshype.com. Their salaries section gives you everything you want to know. Projected cap next year is probably somewhere between $50-54M.
by Missing Barry on Feb 16, 2010 8:46 AM PST up reply actions
Hey, Steph Curry is on sportcenter doing the top plays.
What makes me angry is they are showing 4 kobe buzzer beaters…..
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#2) Brandon Jennings's 55 Pt-performance
Curry: Can we just skip to #1?
Anchor: How good was Jennings that night?
Curry: We all threw away our orange jerseys after the game.
Pretty funny.
by UncleCliffy on Feb 15, 2010 10:10 PM PST up reply actions
Just lost all respect i have for sportscenter, they did a montage of kobe plays for the number one spot on top ten plays this year.
Really? Kobe is the top play of the season? What a joke.
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Just lost all respect i have for sportscenter
It took you this long? ESPN’s target audience isn’t really knowledgeable fans, if you haven’t noticed…
by Missing Barry on Feb 16, 2010 8:46 AM PST up reply actions
Snagging Hickson would be very attractrive.
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We'd probably have to give them Turiaf
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by LostHawkGSW on Feb 15, 2010 10:19 PM PST up reply actions
Deal
Hickson and Turiaf wouldn’t stop me from making the trade if Maggette was involved in it. In other words, if we’re in talks with the Cavaliers for Ilgauskas and they want Turiaf for Hickson, just do it.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Feb 15, 2010 11:11 PM PST up reply actions
why?
I mean, he’s not terrible and he’s still young, but I don’t think he’d really solve any of the Warriors’ problems. Plus there’s no chance theyd give up 2 bigs that play a lot of minutes for them for a wing, even if they would be getting Big Z back in a month.
Thing A
My point to everyone about Hickson, is BW and AR are much better than him. Why do we need him?
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we don't need him
but if we get him, it doesn’t hurt.
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by LostHawkGSW on Feb 15, 2010 10:22 PM PST up reply actions
My point exactly.
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No one said we are
I think someone said ’wouldn’t it be great if we could’. People need to stop replying so vigilantly to hearsay.
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by LostHawkGSW on Feb 15, 2010 10:26 PM PST up reply actions
And wouldn't it be nice to live together...
Oh, wait. This just got weird.
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by olympicmike on Feb 15, 2010 10:48 PM PST up reply actions
In the kind of world where we belong
The Ultimate Realistic Mock Draft
1A) Anthony Davis - RT Rutgers
1B) C.J. Spiller - RB/KR/PR Clemson
2) Kareem Jackson - CB Alabama
3) Demaryius Thomas - WR Georgia Tech
4) Mike Johnson - OG Alabama
5) Sean Canfield - QB Oregon State
6) Keaton Kristic - OLB Oregon State
7) Dexter Davis - OLB/DE Arizona State
I don't know
Maggette is too “efficient” to be trading for just one player.
by UncleCliffy on Feb 15, 2010 10:29 PM PST up reply actions
Also I think he is a better defender and rebounder than Turiaf, who we would have to throw in to get him most likely.
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by LostHawkGSW on Feb 15, 2010 10:24 PM PST up reply actions
And their analysis may be worse…
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by Sleepy Freud on Feb 16, 2010 9:49 AM PST up reply actions
Ok
I got it!!!
How ‘bout we make both deals? Ship Maggs to Cleveland for Z; Ship Beans and Monta to the C’s. Sell the team to Ellison. Get a very high draft pick. Sign D-Wade and Bosh to max contracts.
How can this miss?
Curry
Wade
Azuibuike
Bosh
Perkins
Bench: AR, BW, Turiaf, Tolliver, CJ
Enough cap space here? This is LOL, but not as ridiculous as it once seemed.
Ahhhh ha!
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I have been pushing, checking, looking for what we might be able to do, to bring Wade and Bosh to GSW….at first they thought I was crazy…but…. BUT…Muhahahhahahah the tea leaves are moving…..
Oh…wait…I am breathing on them…
Anyway…..moving on…. I live in hope that we could pull off the unbelieveable…
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by BritWarriorGSW on Feb 16, 2010 5:47 AM PST up reply actions
I’m totally on board that (fantasy) bandwagon, though I think I’d take LeBron over the Wade/Bosh combo. Cheaper and, involving just one guy, somewhat more imaginable. And Curry and LBJ are buds, right…?
Curry
Azubuike/Morrow
LeBron
Randolph
Perkins
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by Sleepy Freud on Feb 16, 2010 9:53 AM PST up reply actions
I’d take a Lebron/Wade combo over either of those.
by Missing Barry on Feb 16, 2010 10:17 AM PST up reply actions
I’m in favor of any and all firesale-y moves this franchise can make, because it validates my theory that Ellison won’t buy the team as currently constructed. That, and the currently constructed team is horrendous. I only hope that Curry is the sole survivor of the Flood.
I only hope that Curry is the sole survivor of the Flood.
I also hope that Randolph is there at the end as well. He may not have proven much so far, but it’s still WAY too early to give up on him. He isn’t even of legal drinking age yet!
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by JustSomeName on Feb 16, 2010 9:37 AM PST up reply actions
I’d love this, but at some point between now and Thursday the Cavs will have a better offer on the table than Maggette for expiring money. So the real question here is, would you be willing to give up Turiaf if that’d get Maggette’s contract off the books? Would you trade Maggette and Turiaf for Ilgauskas?
I would. I’d do it with a heavy heart — I love Ronny, and he’s been an asset - but I think it’d be worthwhile. It’d make the ’10’11 Warriors look like this:
Monta Ellis ($11M)
Andris Biedrins ($9M)
Vladimir Radmanovic ($6.9M)
Kelenna Azubuike ($3.4M)
Brandan Wright ($3.4M)
Stephen Curry ($2.9M)
Anthony Randolph ($2.0M)
Anthony Morrow ($1.0M cap hold/qualifying offer)
TOTAL: $39.6M
Our ‘10-’11 rookie will also post a cap hold, probably in the $3.6M range… we’d have something like $43-44M in commitments, against a cap that’s currently estimated at $53M or so.
In other words, we’d have seven promising young players locked in (Monta, Biedrins, Curry, Randolph, ‘Buike, Wright, our draft pick), plus Vlad (every rose has its thorn)… before extending Morrow, we could fit in a free agent who costs $9-10 million. We could top the MLE, something few teams can say. In this free agency market, that could be worth something. Could it net you a David Lee or a Boozer? Who’s to say — quite possibly not. But it’d be an interesting amount of space in an interesting summer.
So, yeah. If I’m the Warriors, I double down here. I offer Ronny along with Maggette and promise to buy out Z within seconds. This is the trade; this is the moment; this is the window. The Warriors need to try their hardest to make this happen.
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by onlxn on Feb 15, 2010 10:41 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
I would agree if the prospect of a lockout didn’t throw an enormous monkey wrench into everyone’s salary cap math for the summer of 2011.
Thing C
Even so, this trade would be worthwhile. If this summer is ruled by fears of salary-cap Armageddon, a Maggette-less/Ronny-less Warriors team is well-equipped to weather the storm. If life proceeds as usual, the Warriors can add a player. Either way, it’s a win for the Dubs.
Golden State Worriers: Angst & Analysis
Unless it happens that teams which are already over the “new cap” are grandfathered in, thereby skirting the rules until the contracts of their players expire. In that case, wouldn’t it be a good thing to be over the cap?
Thing C
It could potentially be a good thing, but the calculus is a little muddy — I’d rather be under the cap than have, say, Eddy Curry as flexibility-killing ballast. Maggette is no Eddy Curry, but he is a significant health risk… who knows how many games he’ll be able to log 2-3 years from now. Maybe I’m overly cautious because of the horrors of the Knicks of recent years, but I feel like it’s not worth exceeding the usual limits for a crappy core. A lot would hinge on how flexibly you could trade over-the-cap talent, I guess.
Golden State Worriers: Angst & Analysis
I’d still do that deal, because cap space can be used in a number of ways besides signing FAs. I suppose I should have said, “I would agree completely if…”
Thing C
I hear you. I wouldn’t call this trade a no-brainer or anything… anytime you’re talking about trading two good players for nothing, you have to at least think twice about it. But as you say, cap space is a versatile asset.
Golden State Worriers: Angst & Analysis
I’m curious why a ‘stat disciple’ ( and i’m using that in a good way) still thinks Turiaf is a good player. All the data suggests is that he is a bad rebounder, average defender, and average efficiency, low low volume “center”.
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“Good player” may, indeed, be a stretch. But I do think Ronny is an asset. He’s posted surprisingly good plus-minus numbers for most of his career, and while there’s not much evidence that his D is anything special, he seems to be a quietly effective offensive catalyst. When you add in “soft factors” (his likeability, his willingness to play limited minutes, pass up shots, play hurt, etc) and his reasonable contract, I think he’s a good guy to have. But he’s really a guy that only a good team can use. He’s not good enough to move the dial for a crappy team like ours.
Golden State Worriers: Angst & Analysis
He's kinda like a super cool version of Chris Andersen
by Reverend_Randy on Feb 16, 2010 4:06 AM PST up reply actions
No stats can quantify the intangibles he brings to this team. The chemistry he brings and the overall love for the game, really puts in perspective to the younger guys on how the game SHOULD be played, instead of having to see players like “Captain” Jack throwing tantrums right after getting a ridiculous extension…
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by JustSomeName on Feb 16, 2010 9:39 AM PST up reply actions
Question: does this chemistry have an actual effect on winning, and if so, where is the evidence that makes you believe it? Next question: how does Turiaf himself contribute to that chemistry – so what effect does he, as an individual have to create it (assuming you answered the first question), and what evidence do you have to support that?
I really, really don’t see a point in making a decision based on something without any supporting evidence whatsoever. You don’t know that you’re right anymore than wrong. Maybe Turiaf does, maybe he doesn’t, but without a good reason to think this is true, you shouldn’t make decsions based on it. Without knowing it’s having a worthwhile positive effect, you’re essentially choosing “intangibles” that may not even tie in to winning over tangible things we know contribute tow inning. That doesn’t make much sense.
by Missing Barry on Feb 16, 2010 10:20 AM PST up reply actions
No stats can quantify the intangibles he brings to this team.
Intangibles can’t be quantified.
I’d also draw the cautionary tale of how many people cited Jax’s “intangibles”, how he was a winner, how he was a leader, how he was responsible for the turnaround from 1-6 to a 48 win season. “Intangibles” may exist, but differentiating them from “illusion”, “fiction”, and “chance” is very, very difficult.
Totally agree
If we can dump Maggs without losing any of our young guys, it would be amazing. He is not a fit here, but he would be an asset for a team like the Cavs.
I think we could do something like Maggs + Turiaf for Big Z + Their first round pick.
Also, I’d like to add…in addition to signing Ammo, we should try to re sign Bell. He is the type of vet and player this young team could really use.
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by LostHawkGSW on Feb 15, 2010 10:48 PM PST up reply actions
I agree that Bell would help, but to be brutally honest, I don’t know why he’d be interested in re-sighing here… we are both crappy and swingman-heavy. I guess we could outbid everyone else, but he strikes me as the kind of guy who’d like to play for a contender. I don’t love our chances of keeping him around.
Golden State Worriers: Angst & Analysis
would you be willing to give up Turiaf if that’d get Maggette’s contract off the books?
Yes. I like Turiaf and what he brings, but he isn’t that good. He’s a backup making the MLE, we should be able to find someone at least close to as good as him eventually to replace him.
by Missing Barry on Feb 16, 2010 8:49 AM PST up reply actions
Can't remember where I saw this
But reportedly (I think ESPN?) that the Cavs can get Jamison right now if they wanted for the same offer they gave the Suns.
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It probably won't involve Hickson
Like it said, it’ll probbaly be Maggette and George for Illgauskas and Green. Maybe the Cavs might throw in their 1st rounder. I would definitley make that trade. The Warriors would have more cap room, which would help Ellison buy the team, get Green who could become a good three point shooter, and a pick that couls end up being a solid player. Even without the pick or Hickson, I would still make the trade.
Don't forget about Maggette's contract...
3 years, $30 Million doesn’t seem too bad for a highly productive player who has no problem coming off the bench.
I think Corey is only considered overpaid now because of his injury issues. I have no problem giving him 9-10 million for his production in 70-75 games.
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+1
and his age. He’s not terribly old, but its hard to imagine him being as productive as his is now in the last year of that deal
Thing A
I think Corey will always be very productive because he can do one thing: Get to the line at an unbelievable rate.
Even if he loses a lot of his athleticism, and he gets worse at converting from the field ( all very possible) he will still be productive starter, or 6th man off the bench.
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Definetly would not be against this
The only downside to this deal is the reaction Monta Ellis Might have. But let us all be honest. Corey is playing outstanding basketball right now and this may be our only chance to shed some dollars.
I like Corey’s game this year a lot but we aren’t going anywhere this year and most likely the next. Our projected draft spot should yield us the likes of Evan Turner who looks like a better all round player. And he can play the 2 and the 3 if needed (which is Maggette’s true position.
So all and all we shed about 10 million a year and maybe open up the door to get some decent talent in free agency once the hoopla dies down. Who knows but the possability of getting a player like IDK….. Rudy Gay…. is worth dumping the contract of Maggs now no matter how great Maggs is playing
I have a feeling Rudy will not be coming to the Warriors....
But even if we don’t get a decent player, we get out of a below average contract and the possibility of selling the team to Ellison becomes that much better. I say do it
by shooter1525 on Feb 16, 2010 12:31 AM PST up reply actions
If this happens, more than anything else I am happy
for Maggette. He gets rewarded for being a consummate team player, by listening to the coach and doing all the right things by going to a team that might win everything this year. I personally think he would be a great fit in Cleveland because of his efficient scoring, he doesn’t need to take very many shots away from anyone to score a lot. Also it allows me to root for him in the playoffs.
Clearly the warriors are going nowhere right now and might sell the team, and although Corey is an excellent player we have other cheaper options at his position and we might get Evan Turner in the draft.
We won’t be a better team for getting rid of Corey, but in my opinion his play style didn’t mesh with the Warrior’s current style(you can say that about a lot of our players.) Talent wise the only way we can make up for Corey’s absence is if we actually spend the money his contract frees up on someone useful, or we get Cleveland late 1st round pick and take a risk that actually pans out.
If this trade happens then congratulations Corey you ended up in a better position than Jackson by doing all the right things.
Screw that
We better not give up Maggette just for a money dump. F THAT!! We better get some talent in return I.E. JJ HICKSON. OMG I will be pissed if all we get is that old good for nothing big Z that can’t even jump. It’s freakin hilarious to watch him try and do a simple put back.
Hickson is bad.
That seems kind of unfair. He rebounds fine, he scores efficiently, he’s a decent defender. No he isn’t great, but he’s not bad, eitehr. I’d take him as a backup, especially with Wright and Randolph out.
by Missing Barry on Feb 16, 2010 1:22 PM PST up reply actions
Hickson’s rebounding isn’t particularly good. It’s not terrible, but for the grief that Wright got here about his rebounding, Hickson hasn’t established himself as being even that effective on the glass. I’d certainly take him as a backup, but I’d caution against any excitement that things would get better with him here.
I like Maggette. He’s a good player. He’s also playing the best basketball of his life (sell high), and he isn’t a good fit for our team’s long term plans. We aren’t a contender right now, andt his is the best chance we’re going to have to dump his contract, and we need to take it if we can.
How is that selling high? I would at least want their draft pick even though it will be a late rounder and probably not turn into a rotation player, but hey it could also turn into another gem.
And for what it’s worth, that’s not even selling high but if it’s true that were getting rid of all our "big" contracts then we will have to start building this team from the ground up again and that has to start somewhere.
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How is that selling high?
High is relative. It may be that if Corey wasn’t playing so well, we’d have to include talent to dump him, or we’d have to take back another contract. It could very well be that simply dumping him for an expiring is the high point – as in, we’ll never get a better offer for him again.
And for what it’s worth, that’s not even selling high but if it’s true that were getting rid of all our “big” contracts then we will have to start building this team from the ground up again and that has to start somewhere.
The whole point is that Maggette doesn’t fit into our long term plans. Everyone else on the roster, more or less, does – from Monta to Biedrins to Wright, Randolph, Curry – these guys are all young, not yet in their prime, and we can probably keep them around a long time. Maggette, not so much. He’s a good piece right now, but we have no use for that since we aren’t good right now. So that’s why he is the one we should dump, while we keep everyone else. I said before the season, and I stand by it – if we could just get rid of the burden of Maggette contract, I think we’re in a pretty good position for the future. I like our young talent in Monta, Biedrins, Wright, Randolph, and Curry, with solid young supporting players like Buike and Morrow. We’ll have nice financial flexibility to keep the ones around we want….yeah, I do like that group for the future.
by Missing Barry on Feb 16, 2010 10:27 AM PST up reply actions
We have plans? I thought we were shopping Monta and AB and as far as Wright is concerned I would not be surprised to never see him play in the league again, I’m just not sold that arm will ever be strong enough to play above the rim.
But I hear you, if this is the only contract dump, then well it’s not like we would ever be a good team with him playing heavy min’s, but I would still like to see us aquire some picks.
"If God made us in his image then he must be dumb too, and a little ugly on the side."
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I’d like to see us get as much as we can, too, but given how Corey’s playing, if this is the best offer on the table….it looks like it’s the best we’ll ever get for him. And Wright never playing in the league again is a little….far fetched. What makes you think his arm will never be strong enough again to play basketball?
by Missing Barry on Feb 16, 2010 12:08 PM PST up reply actions
Just the fact of the severity of the injury and how easily it happened and that it’s happened twice. Then there was the interview with him a few weeks back where he said that he could still not use or move the arm at all and that it would be a while (forget exactly how long, but I’m thinking weeks) before he could even start to do rehab and that would be a slow process. He did end up by saying that he expected to make a full recovery but who wouldn’t.
All that makes me a tad pessimistic.
"If God made us in his image then he must be dumb too, and a little ugly on the side."
Frank Zappa
What are our long term plans?
Ruin the first few years of young players’ careers and then trade them for dirt so they develop somewhere else and we can keep “rebuilding”? We’re pretty good at that
by Throw up the Dub on Feb 16, 2010 11:43 AM PST reply actions
Since we haven’t really had a player seriously worth building around since (young) Webber, constant rebuilding isn’t such a terrible strategy. Not wonderful, but less bad than the half-assed strategy we employed in building around such dubious centerpieces as Jamison, JRich, Dunleavy, Murphy, Arenas (whom we never built around, fortunately, but would have given half a chance), Jackson, Maggette, Monta…
Baron was clearly the closest thing we had had to a bona fide centerpiece since Webber, but his injury/motivation issues, together with his inability to fully grasp that outside shooting would never been his strong suit (the way Jason Kidd grasped same) always kept him just short ideal centerpiece material. And now that he’s approaching age 31 his run as even borderline centerpiece material is over.
Post-Webber debacle, had we either (a) focused like a laser on landing a big fish, rather than handing out pricy long-term contracts willy nilly to small fish and/or (b) had better luck and skill in the draft, this 15-year reign of suck (punctuated by 1.5 years of half-decency) might never have been.
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on Feb 16, 2010 1:19 PM PST up reply actions
Anyone else find it funny that
The Cav’s backups plan of the Amare trade falls through all revolve around players with a Warriors background? Antawn Jamison, Troy Murphy, and Corey Maggette. The league loves our players! Just not when they’re actually PLAYING for the Warriors…
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We are missing
a superstar. Every team that has won the championship has had a superstar. Or a combination or All Star Players. We currently have 0, and the closest thing we have to a superstar (ironically) is Anthony Randolph. We need to win the lottery this year and draft John Wall. Hopefully David Stern will give the Warriors the #1 pick this year if Ellison buys the team. (And yes, David Stern picks who wins the lottery).
The Ultimate Realistic Mock Draft
1A) Anthony Davis - RT Rutgers
1B) C.J. Spiller - RB/KR/PR Clemson
2) Kareem Jackson - CB Alabama
3) Demaryius Thomas - WR Georgia Tech
4) Mike Johnson - OG Alabama
5) Sean Canfield - QB Oregon State
6) Keaton Kristic - OLB Oregon State
7) Dexter Davis - OLB/DE Arizona State
lotta bad grammar ^
The Ultimate Realistic Mock Draft
1A) Anthony Davis - RT Rutgers
1B) C.J. Spiller - RB/KR/PR Clemson
2) Kareem Jackson - CB Alabama
3) Demaryius Thomas - WR Georgia Tech
4) Mike Johnson - OG Alabama
5) Sean Canfield - QB Oregon State
6) Keaton Kristic - OLB Oregon State
7) Dexter Davis - OLB/DE Arizona State
lotta bad grammar ^
Hm, grammar looks pretty good to me. I’m more concerned with the assertion-as-fact of an extreme unlikelihood like “David Stern picks who wins the lottery.” Unless you were just funnin’…
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on Feb 16, 2010 1:51 PM PST up reply actions
No its true. David Stern picks who wins the lottery.
The Ultimate Realistic Mock Draft
1A) Anthony Davis - RT Rutgers
1B) C.J. Spiller - RB/KR/PR Clemson
2) Kareem Jackson - CB Alabama
3) Demaryius Thomas - WR Georgia Tech
4) Mike Johnson - OG Alabama
5) Sean Canfield - QB Oregon State
6) Keaton Kristic - OLB Oregon State
7) Dexter Davis - OLB/DE Arizona State
For all the draft lottery conspiracies, there’s not a whole lot of evidence to support it. The after-the-fact explanations for why a team wound up with a top pick aren’t particularly convincing, and the explanations for why a team will or will not wind up with one before a draft haven’t panned out any better than random chance.
I'm still dumbfounded
with how the Kings ended up with the 4th draft pick after having the league’s worst record.
The Ultimate Realistic Mock Draft
1A) Anthony Davis - RT Rutgers
1B) C.J. Spiller - RB/KR/PR Clemson
2) Kareem Jackson - CB Alabama
3) Demaryius Thomas - WR Georgia Tech
4) Mike Johnson - OG Alabama
5) Sean Canfield - QB Oregon State
6) Keaton Kristic - OLB Oregon State
7) Dexter Davis - OLB/DE Arizona State
Simple statistical odds...
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The team with the worst record goes into the lottery knowing they have:
A 25.0% chance at the first pick;
A 21.5% chance at the second pick;
A 17.8% chance at the third pick;
A 35.7% chance at the fourth pick.
That the Kings ended up with the fourth pick should not dumbfound you.
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on Feb 16, 2010 2:37 PM PST up reply actions
Haha
I just hit cancel on a post that looked suspiciously similar to yours. That hasn’t happened in a while. I might have to break out my ‘thing’ signature again.
"I could be chasing an untamed ornithoid without cause."
Ha. I’m glad you didn’t omit the word “signature.”
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on Feb 16, 2010 2:49 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah...
That could have been a damaging typo.
"I could be chasing an untamed ornithoid without cause."
the closest thing we have to a superstar (ironically) is Anthony Randolph
Maybe if you’re projecting the future, but right now, Randolph is quite far away from being a superstar…
by Missing Barry on Feb 16, 2010 2:15 PM PST up reply actions
Curry can be a superstar
You guys might laugh, but Curry definitely has the potential to be a superstar. Guys have shown that you don’t have to be a freak athlete to be a superstar player. There are plenty of guys in the league right now who I would consider to be superstars or superstars at one point, that don’t have freakish athleticism. There’s Nash, Kidd, Nowitzki, Duncan, Billups, and Parker, to name a few. Now don’t say that I am comparing Curry to any of these players and that he doesn’t play like them or whatever, because all of these guys each have their own style of play and are different from each other. But what they all have are incredibly good skills that make them the star players that they are. I believe that Curry could one day be up to those guys star status.
all have are incredibly good skills that make them the star players that they are.
They are also all very smart basketball players, something that Curry also has. Playing the game great using creativity and high IQ to his advantage.
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by JustSomeName on Feb 16, 2010 2:44 PM PST up reply actions
Depends how you define "superstar"
If you were going to ask me who the superstars were in the league, I’d say:
LeBron, Howard, Wade, Durant, Bryant, Paul and maybe Anthony.
Does Curry have the potential to be held up in that sort of stratosphere, among the best 7 or so players in the league?
I think it’s pretty unlikely.
If you expand the definition of superstar to include guys like Deron Williams and Chris Bosh, I think you’ve devalued the term, a lot – basically made it synonymous with “star.”
And it’s possible to see Curry entering that group. Definitely.
Sorry
I should have put superstar in quotes. I was just using that word because the people above me were using it pretty loosely as well. I basically mean a star player. People are already calling John Wall a “superstar”. That’s a little ridiculous considering he hasn’t even played a game in the NBA yet. I think he could be great, but people are getting a little ahead of themselves. All I’m trying to say is that Curry is just as capable of being a star player in this league as Wall is.
There’s Nash, Kidd, Nowitzki, Duncan, Billups, and Parker
Every single one of those players, except for Nash, has physical traits way beyond what Curry can match. Kidd was once a very good athlete, and even in his old days of lesser effectiveness, is one of the bigger, stronger PG’s out there. Nowitzki is a 7’0 outside player with pretty good quickness for a guy his height. Yeah, you can say he presents phsyical mismatches against most teams. Duncan has never been the greatest athelte, but he’s big, he’s tall, and he’s strong. He’s not a bad athlete by any means. Billups is big and strong for a PG, and while he’s not the best athlete, again, he’s decent. Parker has the type of quickness Curry dreams about. Don’t make any mistake about it, Parker has a very good combination of size/quickness/speed for a PG. Curry isn’t close to a single one of those guys in his physical traits.
by Missing Barry on Feb 16, 2010 3:21 PM PST up reply actions
I have to disagree with you
I beleive that Curry is probably very close in athleticism to all of those players. Curry may not be very big, but 6’3" is good height for a point guard, and probably a little above average. Parker is 6’0" (not very good size like you said) with very good quickness (he’s faster than Curry, but Curry’s quickness is underestimated and I wouldn’t say that Parker is a whole lot quicker than Curry), but he does not have great athleticism (the one time he tried to dunk, he got hung). Dirk is above average height for a power forward, with decent quickness, but his athleticism and size combined at power forward is almost the equivalent to Curry’s size and athleticism at point guard. Duncan has great size, decent athleticism, and great skills. Similar deal with Duncan and Curry to Nowitzki and Curry. Billups like you said is big and strong with decent athleticism. But look at Curry. He’s the same height as Billups (maybe getting taller), Curry’s going to get thicker and stronger (he’s only a rookie and even said he barely lifted in college), similar skillset, and Curry probably has equal or close to equal athleticism.
My bad
Parker is apparently 6’2" (I could have sworn he used to be listed as 6’0" pr 6’1". Probably a generous listing height for him at 6’2"), but Curry is still taller than him.
Similar deal with Duncan and Curry to Nowitzki and Curry.
The difference is, at the end of the day, they’re 7’0, and he’s 6’3. Their size makes them a lot more rare, and a lot better players overall, because you just don’t find guys with some combination of skills/athleticism at that height for the NBA. 6’3 guys with skills and athleticism are all over the place. 6’10+ guys…not so much.
Curry’s going to get thicker and stronger
You really think he’s going to do this in any significant way without giving up what limited athleticism he already has? We’re not talking about an 18 year old here – Curry’s already 21, he’s had access to a college weight program….I’m not seeing it. Chauncey weighed 207 pounds at the draft combine way back when (1997). Curry weighed 181. Chauncey was also an inch taller at the combine (6’3 w/o shoes, Curry’s only 6’2 w/o shoes), and I would bet (but don’t have the measurements) much longer than Curry and his T-Rex arms (6’3.5 wingspan).
he’s faster than Curry, but Curry’s quickness is underestimated and I wouldn’t say that Parker is a whole lot quicker than Curry
Really? Because while Parker penetrates at will, and more or less has since he’s been in the league, despite not having a shot whatsoever (he’s better now, but his first few years his shot was nonexistant), while Curry, a known lights out shooter, struggles to get by his man and into the lane. Watching them, that looks like a pretty huge difference to me. Not to mention in transition where Parker flies by people and Curry….not so much.
I’m not trying to be too down on Curry, but physically, he has some pretty big limitations. Then again, Nash and Stockton were physically limited, too, and it didn’t stop them…
by Missing Barry on Feb 16, 2010 5:29 PM PST up reply actions
Cavaliers talking to Warriors about Corey Maggette, LeBron James believes Maggette can help
Haha, Lebron’s a comedian? Why would he want Magette takin up minutes doing the same thing Lebron can do 200% better? Is this just a smokescreen for what he really wants? What’s the big need for the Cavs anyway? Is Shaq destructing to the point where he can’t do the job they brought him in to do? Why would they change horses in the middle of the stream anyway?? Weird stuff.
Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Feb 16, 2010 3:51 PM PST reply actions
Eh, Lebron can’t do everything offensively. It could help him to have a guy like Maggette shoulder the load every once in a while.
by Missing Barry on Feb 16, 2010 5:30 PM PST up reply actions
It could help him to have a guy like Maggette shoulder the load every once in a while.
but it would be better to have a more rounded back up player who can move the ball around and run some time off the clock instead of a magette type going to the hole who would seem like a vacation for the defense after guarding Lebron.
Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Feb 16, 2010 8:40 PM PST up reply actions
I mean, it would help most to get the best overall player you can, but sometimes you have to settle for what’s available…
Plus having Maggette and Lebron generally means one of them is going to have a pretty big mismatch on the floor. If Lebrons guy starts getting into foul trouble and moves over to Maggette….well, Maggette continues the assault. There are positives about it, too…
by Missing Barry on Feb 16, 2010 9:09 PM PST up reply actions
Trade him
I also be happy if we trade Maggette and Turiaf, but what I am worried about is that Riley said he doesnt want to add any salary unless he sheds equal or close to it. So if Iguadala is available we wont get him with our expiring contract. I think its clear Cohan doesnt want to pay anything so next year I doubt we would sign anyone who would command $10-14 mill. Cohan sell the team its the best thing you could do.
Waaaarriors
Iguodala
So if Iguadala is available we wont get him with our expiring contract.
Well, Philadelphia isn’t giving him up for expiring contracts.
The Ultimate Opportunist
by Rated-R Superstar on Feb 16, 2010 11:05 PM PST up reply actions
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