RECAP: Lakers 104 Warriors 94 -- Battle of the Bigs
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The Warriors were served up a big heaping plate of win in this game. Unfortunately, Stephen Curry simply could not pick up his fork and eat. One game after lighting up the Clippers for a triple-double, and fresh off a triumphant all-star weekend in which he got second in the three point shooting contest, the Warriors rookie simply couldn't buy an outside shot. Curry shot 5-21 from the field, and 1-10 from three point land, on a night when a better effort might have gotten the Warriors a surprise win in Staples Center.
Battle of the suits? No contest.
Despite Curry's shooting struggles, the Warriors were in this game right to the end. This was due largely to the play of their big men. With no Monta Ellis and no Kobe Bryant, the game turned into a clash of the titans in the paint. The Lakers' game plan was clear: dump it into their colossal front line of Bynum, Gasol, Artest and Odom and let them pound it in the paint against their diminutive Warriors counterparts. And with no Monta Ellis to speed the tempo up, Don Nelson decided to fight the Lakers on their own terms: big on big. To their credit, the Warriors big men, lead by the tremendous efforts of Andris Biedrins and Rony Turiaf, took up the challenge and held the Lakers monstrous front line off. The Warriors were badly outrebounded 53-36, but their terrific, physical defense on the Lakers bigs paid dividends. Bynum got his, but Gasol and Odom were held to a combined 8-26 shooting.
In my eyes, the Warriors have nothing to be ashamed of with this effort, not even
Stephen Curry: Curry looked exhausted in this game, virtually from the opening tip. He has struggled mightily with the rookie wall in the last few weeks, with the Clipper game being the exception. Having to pick up the play-making load with Monta Ellis out, and his recent committments at the all-star game, certainly didn't help.
So why did he keep shooting? I feel certain it's because Don Nelson wanted him to. It was instructive to me that Nellie ran a play coming out of a timeout in the fourth quarter that was designed to get Curry a three. Shooters keep shooting, and sometimes they get hot late, even when they've been off all game. It just didn't happen for Curry in this game.
Despite his horrendous shooting night, I think Curry showed tremendous leadership in this game. He didn't let his poor shooting -- or the foul trouble that the ridiculous Flopping Fish goaded the officials into putting on him -- affect the rest of his game. He ran the team well, picking up 8 assists. And he proved his triple-double was no fluke, getting another 10 rebound game. His nose for the ball is incredible.
Corey Maggette: Maggette also struggled in this game, which is perhaps not surprising going against Ron Artest and three athletic 7 footers, with a finger held on by tape. His 6 turnovers and poor shooting certainly cost the Warriors, but I feel nothing but admiration for Maggette for taking the court and battling for this short-handed team that has nothing on the line.
Anthony Morrow: Morrow had a fine night offensively, the Warriors with 23 points on 8-15, including 4-8 from three. Nellie let him work a little one-on-one isolation against Vujucic, and Morrow showed a nice array of moves that singed the Serbian nicely around the edges. Unfortunately, you can't call Morrow's game a success, because his counterpart Shannon Brown picked up a career high 27 points on 11-19, along with 10 rebounds.
I continue to think that Morrow is better served playing closer to the basket on defense, against small forwards.
The Centers: It didn't show up in the box score, but Beans and Turiaf really showed up on defense. Without their tremendous effort and energy the Warriors don't compete in this game.
Anthony Tolliver: I got kind of warm all over when Tolliver buried his first four shots. Unfortunately, he missed his next five. But if you want to know why he didn't get more than 22 minutes, look no further than his 1 rebound. As Nellie likes to say, if his bigs don't rebound, he might as well go small.
CJ Watson: CJ's hot shooting helped keep the Warriors in this game. And he DIDN'T get his layup blocked, despite that idiot Feltbot's prediction. It happened at 4:39 of the fourth quarter, when Watson drove the lane, drew Bynum into the foul, and nailed the fall away shot. Only the foul wasn't called, of course, because it was against the Lakers in Staples with the score now tied 89-89. Don Nelson remonstrated politely.
CJ's gotten a little lost in the turmoil of this crazy season, but he has quietly improved his finishing ability in the paint.
Chocolate Rain was nice, but I'm giving this one to the European Union, Beans and Turiaf. For the dirty work.
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Lakers are 4-0 without Kobe
I guess the Lakers are better without Kobe then (sarcasm). This game shows that the Clippers game was a fluke. The Warriors need Monta to score because that’s precisely what he does. He is a great scorer. To expect him to lead this team anywhere is asking too much.
By the way, for the Monta haters who talk about how he’s a volume shooter(he’s shooting better than Chauncey Billups and Kobe by the way), I guess Stephen Curry should be considered one as well. Oh wait, let’s hear the excuses for how horrible Curry played. It was all Monta’s fault huh.
by illmaticwarrior on Feb 17, 2010 12:34 AM PST reply actions
he’s shooting better than Chauncey Billups and Kobe by the way
This is false. In the case of Billups, laughably false.
True shooting percentage
.616 Billups
.554 Curry
.546 Bryant
.523 Ellis
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on Feb 17, 2010 4:35 AM PST up reply actions
How about fg%? Maybe that’s what he’s talking about. Ellis’s FT% this season has killed his TS%.
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Probably, but the point is people need to look at TS% and stop evaluating based on something like FG%. Beyond just the percentages, the proportion you shoot the shots in is very important, too…
by Missing Barry on Feb 17, 2010 8:54 AM PST up reply actions
Agreed
But if Monta was shooting 85% from the FT line, he would be up there with the TS%. I just want to see how much better his shooting will be if we actually move him off the ball…play him at his strength…
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But if Monta was shooting 85% from the FT line, he would be up there with the TS%.
First off, he isn’t shooting 85% from the line.
Even if he were, it only would only gets his TS% to .537 — still worse than Kobe or Curry, and nowhere close to Billups.
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on Feb 17, 2010 9:17 AM PST up reply actions
It's been a weird season for his free throw shooting
He’s never been this bad. Fatigue maybe?
Rookie: "Why did you bench me?"
Nellie: "You're a rookie"
His 74% this season looks like a bit of an outlier, but it’s not that far off his career mark of 76%. Players tend to improve a bit as they age, so I wouldn’t be surprised to see his number trend into the high 70s, but 85% FT seems like a serious stretch.
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on Feb 17, 2010 9:30 AM PST up reply actions
I just want to see how much better his shooting will be if we actually move him off the ball…play him at his strength…
We already saw this in 08 when he played with BoomFizzle. The Dubs made their choice to play Montay with the wrong players and now we’re paying for it.
Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Feb 17, 2010 10:21 AM PST up reply actions
I guess the Lakers are better without Kobe then (sarcasm).
Of course not, but watching them play, it really does show they don’t miss Kobe as much as those “best player in the NBA is either Kobe or Lebron” ESPN analysts would make you think. Kobe’s very good, but overrated, that’s a very talented Lakers team even without him, and without him shooting, guys like Bynum, Gasol and Odom are more involved, and that’s a good thing for the Lakers (not so much Odom this year, but oh well).
by Missing Barry on Feb 17, 2010 8:51 AM PST up reply actions
They aren’t better without Kobe, but they aren’t much better with him. Would the Cav’s go 5-0 without Lebron against 3 of the top teams in the league? Of course not. Same thing with Wade, Bosh, Howard, Paul. If they were out 5 games, their team would never play so well. Lakers success depends on their superior advantage on the boards, defense, and low post efficient scoring. Kobe’s barely above average efficiency, highest volume in the league-shooting isn’t too helpful.
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I missed this game because of Lost and the freaking Olympics which my roommates insist on watching. Looks like Maggette and Curry had real clunkers tonight. Impressive to shoot so badly and only be -4 when you’re on the floor… which means the Warriors were -6 in the 4 minutes Curry sat. Maggette on the other hand was -20…
Odom with 18 boards…
by samuraaaaiiiiiii on Feb 17, 2010 12:40 AM PST reply actions
There were so many times he should have passed.
While he was turning it over, getting blocked or throwing ugly bricks. There were also some shots that didn’t go in. But overall he should have had 15 assists tonight in the win, Lakers defense was atrocious. And we didn’t see any pick and roll plays, which were instrumental in the game against the Clips. Here is to Curry holding himself to a higher standard!
I only watched the first half, Curry didn’t seem to be forcing too much then. If he gets a good look and misses, I can’t complain, he’s a good shooter after all. So the question is, were they good looks, or was he forcing some of those shots up instead of passing?
by Missing Barry on Feb 17, 2010 8:53 AM PST up reply actions
he was forcing up some terrible shots in the last few minutes.
they almost went down, but ended up popping back out
by Richboievans on Feb 17, 2010 1:45 PM PST up reply actions
That really is not true
he was taking his usual shots. If someone sagged off him at the 3 point line, he was taking it. If a screen left him open at the top of the key, he was taking it. He just wasn’t making them.
by randolphforpresident on Feb 17, 2010 4:02 PM PST up reply actions
Curry seemed calm during the game...
He seemed tired. The Allstar games didn’t agree with him. Stern probably knew this and that’s why he sent Curr-bury instead of Morrow? anything to screw the Warriors :>)
Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Feb 17, 2010 10:25 AM PST up reply actions
There were times where we looked dead on offense
Curry needs someone to go to for buckets and Monta needs a passer. I guess you guys no where I’m going with this. Monta efficient or not can flat out score and we needed an offensive boost tonight. Maggs can’t be relied upon as heavily as he was tonight and Curry can’t be jacking up that many shots.
Rookie: "Why did you bench me?"
Nellie: "You're a rookie"
Maggs is not in our long term picture
and he shouldn’t be. You honestly think 3 years from now he will be even close to as effective?
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Maggs can’t be relied upon as heavily as he was tonight
Maggs has shown he can carry a pretty big offensively load, the problem was, Ron Ron is probably the single worst matchup for him in the entire NBA. Maggs has a pretty unique combination of quickness and strength he uses to get to the rim and draw fouls, and Artest has the best combination of size, strength, quickness and defensive ability to match up with it in the NBA. Sometimes the matchup just isn’t in your favor. This was one of those times.
by Missing Barry on Feb 17, 2010 8:56 AM PST up reply actions
Wonder how the Lakers would play against the Cavs
If they had Maggs + Lebron to deal with. Artest can’t guard both of them!
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As good a defender as Kobe is when he tries (extremely good, but usually he doesn’t try and is pretty bad defensively), he can’t really guard either of them effectively. They flat out overpower him on their way to the hoop. It would be fun to watch.
by Missing Barry on Feb 17, 2010 9:01 AM PST up reply actions
I'm glad we lost
helps our draft. And, I’m not sure if this is more important, but I didn’t want to see all the “trade Monta” posts tomorrow.
A few comments...
How does Andris get two shots? TWO? How does that even happen? He took zero shots in the first half. Really? The genius coach can’t get him a pick and roll? A baby hook? A layup? A dunk?
Just so there is no confusion about Curry: He is not nearly as bad as he was tonight, and he is not nearly as good as he was against the Clippers. The truth obviously lies somewhere in between.
Maggette was awful. Efficiently awful. If he’s hurt, get him off the court and healed so he can be traded.
I’m not gonna lie…Nellie actually looked sober tonight. Really, I’m not lying.
But the real problem in this game was obviously Monta. He was inefficient, stopped no one on the defensive end, and was basically invisible all night. Shannon Brown had his way….Oh wait…what’s that you say? Monta didn’t play? Well, I’m sure we can blame him for something…health care, the economy…there’s gotta be something.
LOL
Good ones, at least someone is making a good joke on the crazy bi-polar anti monta talks people have had for the passed week.
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crazy bi-polar anti monta
Woah woah- I’ve been pretty consistent with my criticisms of Monta. I think most of us have.
by Reverend_Randy on Feb 17, 2010 5:46 PM PST up reply actions
LOL
I blame him for global warming, mopeds aren’t energy efficient
Rookie: "Why did you bench me?"
Nellie: "You're a rookie"
Global Warming...LOL
I knew I was forgetting something.
by UncleCliffy on Feb 17, 2010 11:31 AM PST up reply actions
Curry
The guy is a rookie, so he’s going to have games like this. At least he chipped in other spots, so that’s good. He won’t have this kind of shooting night tonight.
So why did he keep shooting?
Shooters keep shooting.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Feb 17, 2010 6:37 AM PST reply actions
If it’s a good shot for an NBA player normally, it’s a good shot for them when they’re cold. Hot/cold streaks don’t seem to be predictive at all – that is, just because Curry’s been cold doesn’t mean his chances of hitting his next shot are any worse than they would be normally.
by Missing Barry on Feb 17, 2010 8:58 AM PST up reply actions
Elbows
Anyone else notice the elbow Curry threw at Fisher? (he did get called for the foul) Maybe it’s just me but I thought it might have been payback for the elbow that Fisher loosened Morrow’s teeth with. (He also was called for that foul.) The kid’s got some grit.
Fish wasn’t called for a foul I thought? It was a 3 second violation on the Lakers.
So let me get this straight... Maggette is the healthy guy.
"Winning is not enough. All others must lose." - Larry Ellison
by Badly Browned on Feb 17, 2010 8:27 AM PST up reply actions
Yeah, no foul was called on Fisher. In fairness, it looked semi-inadvertent on the replay, but Fish is the type of “savvy vet” who would be good at making crap like that look inadvertent. If Curry’s elbow was meant as payback, I commend him. Fisher certainly seemed to take it that way — he swiped back at Steph like he wanted to start something.
Ah well. Fisher’s game has declined to the point where dirty/sneaky crap like that is about the only positive thing he can contribute on the court, beyond draining the occasional wide open jumper. (I loved how when Fitz started to praise Fisher’s D on Curry, Barnett shot him down by pointing out that Steph had had all kinds of open looks). Let him have his fun before they put him out to pasture…
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on Feb 17, 2010 8:44 AM PST up reply actions
Fitz called Fisher "A Pros Pro"
I had to respect the offensive foul he got on Curry where he initiated all the contact, and still got the call. I don’t like it, but gaming the officials is a definite skill. I doubt he was really mad at Curry, the fact that he would be upset at any chippiness has to be part of the act.
And I 100% agree on Fitz
(I loved how when Fitz started to praise Fisher’s D on Curry, Barnett shot him down by pointing out that Steph had had all kinds of open looks). Let him have his fun before they put him out to pasture…
I usually don’t hope for someone to get fired, but in Small Bob’s case I will make an exception.
I’m pretty sure Barnett hates him, and I love when he smacks him down. Just watch the endgame recaps. Barnett looks like he’s eating boo boo whenever Fitz goes into his routine.
Dude is not even trying anymore, He uses the same lines and takes every game. Even if they were true, i just don’t wanna hear it over and over. According to him we’ve had like 40 incredible games this season.
His tin ear is amazing, read the room.
Fisher does only 3 things, and arguably only 2 well.
1) Hit the 3
2) Play Dirty
3) Flop like an Italian Soccer Player
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5) win rings
Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Feb 17, 2010 4:01 PM PST up reply actions
Adam Morrison rules!
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on Feb 17, 2010 4:44 PM PST up reply actions
Adam Morrison rules!
but he din’t carry his teams the way Fish did.
Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Feb 17, 2010 5:01 PM PST up reply actions
Fish didn’t carry a single team. He hit a really clutch 3 against Orlando that gave the Lakers a 3-1 Finals lead….. not the most amazing thing i’ve ever seen.
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He hit a clutch 3 after Kobe blatantly threw an elbow into Nelson’s face…ha
So let me get this straight... Maggette is the healthy guy.
"Winning is not enough. All others must lose." - Larry Ellison
by Badly Browned on Feb 17, 2010 10:21 PM PST up reply actions
Fish didn’t carry a single team.
Din’t he rush back to utah from his daughters hospital and slap down the dubs uprising?
Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Feb 18, 2010 10:37 AM PST up reply actions
Haha. So now you want to talk nuance? I love ya, Skep.
Sorry, but Adam Morrison can’t hear you amid the deafening roar of his bling.
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on Feb 17, 2010 5:38 PM PST up reply actions
Hey Skep, guess who has 3 rings…..
Devean George. He’s so good right skep?
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Robert Horry is the greatest player since Bill Russel
by Reverend_Randy on Feb 17, 2010 5:48 PM PST up reply actions
while you have a point
you wouldn’t have said he was a useless player, would you?
neither is fish.
Sure, neither of them are wholly responsible for their combined 11 (I think) rings, but they deserved every one.
Fish is really really bad now
actually. He was decent at one point, though.
by Reverend_Randy on Feb 17, 2010 7:21 PM PST up reply actions
Devean George our best player!?!?!?!
seems like everytime i look at the box score he has a positive +/-. and not just in 3 minutes - sometime 15 minutes.
OF COURSE he’s not our best player – just wondering if anyone else has noticed this anomally…
just wondering if anyone else has noticed this anomally…
That’s the very well known “Devean George exception”.
Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Feb 17, 2010 10:49 AM PST reply actions
Is that anything like the Troy Murphy paradox?
by samuraaaaiiiiiii on Feb 17, 2010 12:01 PM PST up reply actions
Is that anything like the Troy Murphy paradox?
Yeah another product from the same company- UselessStatistics LTD.
Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Feb 17, 2010 4:05 PM PST up reply actions
Matt Steinmetz chat
CSN Steinmetz:
First things first, MRI confirms “mild knee sprain” for Monta Ellis. Listed as day-to-day. Won’t play tonight vs. Kings, however.
3 important numbers
Warriors lost by: 10
Biedrins’ +/-: +9
Biedrins’ mins: 24
I defended Nelly for a very, very, very long time.
Now I will only defend him when he calls it quits.
Biedrins not in shape
Biedrins is always sucking air by the 4th quarter – you can see it as he gets back slowly on defense. that’s why he’s not being played more.
if anything, nellie has ALWAYS overplayed the hot hand. he’s obviously playing beans less because he’s hurting them in the 4th. plus he’s about to set a record for FT futility.
i disagree with this...
The Centers: It didn’t show up in the box score, but Beans and Turiaf really showed up on defense. Without their tremendous effort and energy the Warriors don’t compete in this game.
Biedrins + Turiaf a combined- 53 mins, 5 points, 2-6 fg, 13 rebounds, 5 assists, 2 TOs, 2 blks, 1 steal
Bynum, 30 mins, 21 pts, 8-11 fg, 7 rebounds, 4 TO, 3 steals,
Gasol 34 mins, 14 pts, 5-14, 9 rebs, 5 assist, 4 TO, 2 bls
w/o even geting into Odoms monster game… How did we stop them? They still combined 13-25 and 35 points, 16 rebounds, in 64 mins.
Bynum was getting easy putbacks all over the place. When I went to sleep at halftime, he was either 5-5 or 6-6 already, and it was almost entirely because our defense sucked, especially the perimeter D….
by Missing Barry on Feb 17, 2010 12:44 PM PST up reply actions
When I went to sleep at halftime
Haha, They almost put me to sleep too, only the thought of watchin Nellie’s post game interview kept me awake.
Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Feb 17, 2010 4:07 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah not a whole lot of motivation to stay up past midnight with work tomorrow to watch it knowing the final outcome is probably gonna be a L to the Lakers….
by Missing Barry on Feb 17, 2010 8:16 PM PST up reply actions
Shannon Brown Comments from the AP Recap
“I just tried to come out and be aggressive. That team was a great team for me to play against. They’re the type of team that likes to get up and down, and I like to play like that. So when I get the ball in the open court, I get to see what’s going on and then attack or whatever I’ve got to do.”
Doesn’t it seem like every game we have some random player on the other team making a quote exactly like that? They all love our style, but they don’t wanna come and play for us, just against us.
doesnt this make you feel monta is completely overrated by our sttyle of play
like if we swapped him for shannon brown we’d still have 14 wins
it’s funny to me, that people think Shannon Brown, a solid contributer for the NBA’s second best team is terrible, and Monta Ellis, the sixth leading scorer in the league is bad.
Ya’ll realize that Ron Harper, Luc Longley and Bill Wettington started for the NBA champion Bulls, with Steve Kerr being the 6th or 7th man, right?
If you’re hoping for the Warriors starting five to be LeBron James, LeBron James, LeBron James, LeBron James and LeBron James, with the first guy of the bench being LeBron James, turn off the TV and turn on the XBOX.
Monta Ellis is a very good player, and Shannon Brown is a good player. Monta may be overrated. Brown and the dunk contest may have been the biggest tease since Shakira winked at me before I realized I was still just watching a music video.
but you can make absolutely no case for these being terrible players.
By NBA standards, Brown was a terrible player his first two seasons: terrible shooter, terrible passer/ballhandler, terrible rebounder.
Last year and this year he’s improved to “meh.” He still doesn’t do anything well other than dunk, but at least he seems to have picked up the shooting efficiency and cut down on the turnovers.
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on Feb 17, 2010 7:34 PM PST up reply actions
When are we gonna trade
Maggete so Nellie doesnt need to play him on crunch time. Last night CJ has the hot hands why did Nellie play Maggs rather than CJ. Then the only score we got is CJ three point when there is like 40 seconds left on the clock. We play better without Maggs on the floor.
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You can't complain
Curry found oter ways to contribute. Heck, if he’d have gotten 2 more assists he would have got ANOTHER TRIPLE DOUBLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I was at this game
And a few things were apparent
1. Beans gets PUNKED inside. All day. He has always gotten punked and I know the fact that we were playing the Lakers who have Bynum, Odom, and Gasol down low who are each individually stronger than Beans tells you that it is obvious that he will get punked but seriously, he had nothing and showed no promise. We should move him IMO.
2. Curry is a very smart ball player. He took a lot of shots most of them were good shots that didn’t fall and they’re shots that he would have usually made. I wouldn’t fault him for taking that many shots because he wasn’t jacking them up unless he got a good look.
3. Morrow impressed me with his increased aggressiveness on the offensive end. He’s really looking to score and has added a lot of weapons into his repertoire. He had a nice spin move fade away and was putting the ball on the floor a lot more frequently. Adversely, there were a couple of plays on defense where he gave up and reacted lazily to loose balls and they resulted in breakaways for the Lakers. I don’t know if he just wanted to see Shannon Brown dunk or what but I would have wished to see more hustle on those loose balls and I think it would have prevented a couple of easy buckets.
4. I was sitting closer to the Lakers bench than the W’s bench but from where I was sitting, I saw Nellie actually call a few plays to my surprise. To my utter dismay, those plays seemed to be run for Devean George, who got the screen and took the shot on a couple of occasions. WTF???
by Throw up the Dub on Feb 17, 2010 4:30 PM PST reply actions
We should move him IMO.
I recommend everyone take a look at Bill Simmon’s article about trading players that he just put up. On it, he ranks Andris’ contract as 12th best non-rookie, 2+ year contract in the NBA, better than any Warrior.
by Reverend_Randy on Feb 17, 2010 5:54 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Maybe moving him to another team isn’t the best approach but I think we should definitely acquire someone else at the center position and move from the starting lineup. I think he’s a good backup but not a starting center in the NBA
by Throw up the Dub on Feb 17, 2010 6:06 PM PST up reply actions
This doesn't make much sense
1. Beans gets PUNKED inside. All day. He has always gotten punked and I know the fact that we were playing the Lakers who have Bynum, Odom, and Gasol down low who are each individually stronger than Beans tells you that it is obvious that he will get punked but seriously, he had nothing and showed no promise. We should move him IMO.
So, Andris was underwhelming on the glass, with 6 rebounds. He went 1-2 FG on the offensive end, so basically, he was a non-factor. And now you are telling me that he gets PUNKED on the inside, yet his +/- for the game was +7. Something doesn’t add up.
Beans gets PUNKED inside. All day. He has always gotten punked and I know the fact that we were playing the Lakers who have Bynum, Odom, and Gasol down low who are each individually stronger than Beans tells you that it is obvious that he will get punked but seriously, he had nothing and showed no promise. We should move him IMO.
In the time I watched, I saw the exact opposite last night. Biedrins is quietly extremely active and disruptive on the defensive end, he could have rebounded a bit better, but sometimes the ball just doesn’t come your way, but I thought he was playing very solid D. On the other hand, Bynum was 5-5 or 6-6 going into halftime, because Biedrins teammates make him look terrible because they can’t stay in front of their man. Biedrins is constantly out of position making up for teammates lapses while his man benefits with easy dunks and putbacks. Nothing Biedrins can do about that. Recently I questioned whether our perimeter D was making Biedrins D look much worse than it actually is – I’m not sure if it’s actually true (all C’s will be out of position at times playing help D, after all), but the more I watch carefully for it, the more it seems to me like his teammates make him look like a much, much worse defender than he is.
Morrow impressed me with his increased aggressiveness on the offensive end. He’s really looking to score and has added a lot of weapons into his repertoire. He had a nice spin move fade away
I took note of this as well. I saw a couple of very good things out of Morrow I really wasn’t expecting.
by Missing Barry on Feb 17, 2010 8:21 PM PST up reply actions

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