Warriors Shoot Down Trade Offer
I'm so glad they shot this down, although I think all the Monta Haters, and USC Homers are crying in the corner.
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i really would have liked to see that. Mayo and Curry could have been promising.
by BarnettBeBallin on Feb 17, 2010 5:22 PM PST reply actions
Can't You See They Need Monta?
Did you not witness last game? They need a guy that the defense needs to game plan against, and that is Monta. Mayo is no way near the player Monta is. Our backcourt needs time to grow together with Curry handling the ball the majority of the time. With Curry getting stronger and seasoned, and Monta learning to defer to Curry we can have one of the best backcourts in the league.
Did you not witness last game? They need a guy that the defense needs to game plan against, and that is Monta.
Last night’s game isn’t proof of anything.
by Reverend_Randy on Feb 17, 2010 5:36 PM PST up reply actions
I agree.
But I’m a Monta fan and want to quiet the haters until they have a chance to actually try running him off the ball. Last night’s game did however prove that when noone is hitting a shot, that we need someone who can create points. Granted Monta has not been as efficient as we’d like, but give him some players around him and let’s see him work. Biedrins and Turiaf have missed 24 games a piece at least and Morrow just got back.
Are you crazy? We just played the Lakers, the second best defensive team in the league. If we have a bad night offensively, it doesn’t mean anything.
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That game was there for the taking, if we had Monta we’d atleast have the defense centered around stopping him and give everyone else especially Morrow to have more space for some open shots.
An you’re opinions, especially the one that ascertains that Maggette is our best player are not valued by me.
Well i don’t care if you think he’s not, because it’s well known by the educated fans on this site that Maggette has been our best player.
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He has been our best player
But he is not someone we should keep. He has 3 years left after this year. His playstyle does not help a young team. Also, there is no way he will keep this kinda production in 2-3 years.
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I agree completely. He fits our team if we were winning, but we aren’t winning so why keep him in this purgatory if we can get picks/cap room.
But if we can’t find any deal giving us picks/cap room, don’t do it. I don’t want to take back bad contracts/trade young talent to trade him. He’s helping us out alot if we don’t trade him, so dont get a bad deal for him.
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Agree
Maggs for cap space or young talent or a draft pick + cap space would be ideal.
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I think speculation about the "wouldas" isn't very constructive
Last night’s game is proof of nothing- we probably would have lost with or without Monta.
by Reverend_Randy on Feb 17, 2010 6:25 PM PST up reply actions
i love Monta, but i would have done this.
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I might do it too. I wonder what were the fillers?
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i agree and disagree
“Mayo is no way near the player Monta is” I completely agree with you here. However Im just going by track record. As much as I don’t want it to be true Monta is injury prone. Your second statement " Monta learning to defer to Curry" I look at track record again. Monta wants to be the man. He didnt want to play with Curry at the start and I still feel because he is a competitor he will never learn to defer to Curry. That combined with the saga of moped gate (while its all over) just leads me to assume we should have made this happen. You would get another young talented back court and $$$ back as well.
i may have been wrong but i would have done this easy
by BarnettBeBallin on Feb 17, 2010 5:33 PM PST reply actions
How do you know he never wanted to play with him???
I’m pretty sure he just said two small guards can’t play together defensively.
by Richboievans on Feb 17, 2010 5:51 PM PST up reply actions
Memphis has 3 first round picks this year… i’m pretty sure we were going to get one of them.
Lets say we got
Mayo
First round pick
Demarre Caroll
Hunter
for Monta
I do that in a heartbeat. Mayo has taken his role well this year, and he has deferred the load to Rudy Gay and Zeebo. That is a very promising thing for a young player to do. Also, provides us much needed cap space with another pick, and a nice young player in caroll.
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Yes we can. We cut Steven Hunter, and George. Those guys are finished in this league.
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You can't cut a guy in a trade to make room.
If it’s a 3 for 1 trade, the Warriors have to cut TWO players from roster pre-trade, then they can cut Hunter if they want.
Or they could send back Hunter and George
or something
by Reverend_Randy on Feb 17, 2010 6:26 PM PST up reply actions
depends on the filler
If we got their top first round pick, I’d pull the trigger..
If we could throw Maggs at them in the deal also, I’d pull the trigger…
If we could throw Radman at them in the deal also, I’d pull the trigger…
If we could get Gay from them and re-sign him, I’d pull the trigger…
But Mayo + random fillers (unless its their top first round pick) for Monta just doesn’t cut it.
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Maybe a sign and trade of Gay to make the deals match?
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Ok, if Memphis offered us Gasol, Mayo, and Hunter for Monta and Biedrins’ would you do it?
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Instantly
Gasol is a beast.
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I think Gasol and Biedrins are about even players. Gasol is a better low post option but Biedrins a much better rebounder. Gasol is still a good rebounder, just not Biedrins esque.
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I don't think they're even close to each other.
Marc Gasol literally does almost everything better than Andris except defensive rebounding, and you could argue that’s because he plays next to Zach Randolph, who is a pretty solid defensive rebounder.
by Spider Jerusalem on Feb 17, 2010 8:39 PM PST up reply actions
Gasol has the much more refined post game. And the Randolph excuse doesn’t mean anything… he had worse rebounding last year without randolph next to him…..
Biedrins is the far superior rebounder and efficient scorer, and passer. Gasol is the more refined post player, and a better defender. I think they are both equal players.
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Gasol might actually be more efficient than Andris
because of his ability to hit free throws.
Gasol is a better player, but not by much.
by Reverend_Randy on Feb 17, 2010 9:39 PM PST up reply actions
I don't think Andris is by far a superior rebounder,
and using Gasol’s rebounding numbers last season are troublesome, because he’s clearly lost a ton of weight and has become a much different player.
They’re about even in DRtg and blocked shots, but Gasol is exceptional at generating steals. Also, Gasol can stay on the floor without fouling much better than Andris can, which increases his defensive value (although he still fouls quite a bit).
As Randy mentioned, Andris’ atrocious FT shooting drives his efficiency way down, putting his TS% at 59.1 despite shooting almost 63% from the field (Gasol’s TS% is 63.1, and at a much higher usage rate).
Biedrins is a much better passer than Gasol, and a better defensive rebounder, but Gasol is a superior offensive rebounder (9.9 ORR vs. 8.3 for Andris), so I don’t think you can call Biedrins head and shoulders above Gasol as a rebounder.
When you factor in volume and contracts, Gasol comes out as the clear winner to me.
by Spider Jerusalem on Feb 17, 2010 10:17 PM PST up reply actions
Gasol has a ridiculous contract
No joke- his contract might be the best in the NBA for the team.
by Reverend_Randy on Feb 17, 2010 11:09 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah, it's absurd right now.
He’s a ~20 PER C getting paid a little over $3M a year. Bananas. And with the new CBA looming, he’ll likely never be overpaid (as big men tend to be after one or two productive seasons).
by Spider Jerusalem on Feb 17, 2010 11:22 PM PST up reply actions
Wow. I'd do this 1000 times out of 1000.
Depends on what the salary filler is, but even if it’s the worst case scenario (corpse of Marko Jaric), I’d take it. The fact is, Monta isn’t that much more valuable than Mayo, and especially not with his contract. Best case scenario would be Mayo + Hunter + Thabeet, which would be p great.
by Spider Jerusalem on Feb 17, 2010 5:35 PM PST reply actions
I love
Monta but i’m not sure about that trade. I like OJ Mayo alot
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by Reverend_Randy on Feb 17, 2010 5:37 PM PST up reply actions
Ellis Has Changed His Tune
Now I’m not saying that Ellis will or won’t defer to Curry, but at least give him a chance to do it. It’s only been 52 games man. Ellis has seen nothing but losing and I’m sure he’s looking for a person to help him out. Ellis can be the man, even off the ball.
we need to blow this team up and start from scratch ala OKC, when you have the record that we have had the last 2 years it's time to blow it up. imagine a core of Curry, OJ, Morrow, Randolph and if we ever get a healthy Wright.
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Curry, OJ, Morrow, Randolph
we would need a bigger 3 i still like morrow off the bench. but i woulda done this deal easy
id like curry, oj, AR, Wright, (and a new center) haha cuz beans has reached is full potential in my opinion which has no inside offensive game. Boards are key but id like a big man who can score
by BarnettBeBallin on Feb 17, 2010 5:44 PM PST up reply actions
I wonder if the grizz will offer rudy gay
they’ve wanted ellis for a long time, and they probably won’t let gay walk for nothing. I’d do it, would u?
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I can't think of what the filler could be
The Grizz have the least expiring contracts in the league, and the salary difference is somewhat sizeable, especially since GSW carries a full roster.
Memphis has ~$3.2M in cap room.
So it was probably Mayo + Hunter.
by Spider Jerusalem on Feb 17, 2010 5:59 PM PST up reply actions
Why all the Mayo hate?
He isnt garbage or anything, he’s an above average player and has the tools to become a young superstar. I think Mayo is a more marketable player than Monta and doing this trade wouldn’t hurt the Warriors sale of tickets. Mayo would be a nice complement to Curry and is a natural two.
Wish we could of pulled the trigger but shoulda,woulda, coulda.
Next.
I agree.
A natural two with decent size and defensive ability (when he wants to guard someone, he has the skills to do so), solid ballhandling, decent court vision, good range, can take/make big shots, under team control at a cheap price for 4 more seasons.
Seems like a no-brainer to me, but I guess the Warriors’ brass had their reasons.
by Spider Jerusalem on Feb 17, 2010 6:11 PM PST up reply actions
No Mayo Hate.
I don’t hate Mayo I actually think he is a very good player. I just think Monta is better and has a higher ceiling. I know Mayo is young, but so is Ellis.
Ellis has probably reached his ceiling already
maybe he’ll learn to shoot better, but then he’ll slowly start to lose his athleticism.
This is pretty much as talented as he’s gonna be.
by Reverend_Randy on Feb 17, 2010 6:28 PM PST up reply actions
Reached his Ceiling?
He can still become more efficient if he had someone to pass to. Now that Morrow and Bell (whom will be back soon) spreading the floor, watch how much better the Warriors will perform.
Morrow and Curry have been out there for most of the season
and CJ. Tolliver can even spread the floor some.
I meant his talent ceiling, not his teammate’s talent ceiling, lol.
Ellis is 24. Players usually stop getting better around 25-26, depending on the player. The general trend is that you get better till 25, then your production very very slowly declines until your early 30s, where it falls off. Something like that.
by Reverend_Randy on Feb 17, 2010 7:27 PM PST up reply actions
I guess i'm not the only one who's been thinking...
That Monta and Gay would make for a great team.
Keep Monta Ellis.
The end.
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by ROMESdavidWOOD37 on Feb 17, 2010 6:19 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
PS Trade Ellis for OJ Mayo
And they all lived happily ever after
by Reverend_Randy on Feb 17, 2010 6:29 PM PST up reply actions
Really?
Could you tell me why? Just out of curiosity purposes
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by The Dedication on Feb 17, 2010 7:33 PM PST up reply actions
Better defender? Even TK, who dogs on Ellis all the time, says that Ellis is afar superior defender.
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Their DRtgs are about the same, but Mayo has more potential to develop as a defender, I'd say.
He’s quick laterally, bigger/stronger than Monta and has longer arms (and he gambles less, I think).
by Spider Jerusalem on Feb 17, 2010 8:13 PM PST up reply actions
I'm surprised so many people like this deal.
Anyway I would’ve made the OJ Mayo for Monta deal. I love me some OJ!
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You guys do know
that Mayo needs the ball in his hands to be effective right? Just throwing that out there…
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Exactly what I was about to say
Mayo needs the ball in his hands to be effective. That’s why the Grizzlies keep talking about moving him to point guard. He hasn’t proven that he can be all that effective playing off the ball, while Monta has shown almost his whole NBA career (except this year and last year becauase he was put in a situation where had to handle the ball a ton) that he can play very well offf the ball.
Not really.
You might be able to make that argument last season, but he’s shown he can defer to others fairly well. His usage is 21.1 (vs Monta’s 29.9), and his %Ast is 53.8 (compared to Monta’s 34.8), so it’s safe to say he’s settled more into the role of a catch & shoot/sometimes creator type rather than a ball- dominator (which is Monta’s style).
by Spider Jerusalem on Feb 17, 2010 7:02 PM PST up reply actions
That's only because
Randolph demands the ball more. He’s a vet so Mayo defers to him.
But does it not show that Mayo can play without dominating the ball?
I think he’s demonstrated that he’s interested in doing whatever he needs to make the Grizzlies better. Not sure why that would change.
by Spider Jerusalem on Feb 17, 2010 7:21 PM PST up reply actions
It doesn't matter the reason
he is currently deferring to Gay and Randolph. That means he doesn’t actually need the ball in his hands to be effective.
by Reverend_Randy on Feb 17, 2010 7:28 PM PST up reply actions
Where did you get those ast% numbers from?
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/mayooj01.html
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/e/ellismo01.html
Ellis consistently gets more assists, even when he is hogging it a bit this season.
Yes Mayo does have better size, length, and J. But he can’t drive nearly as well.
I was a huge fan of his at the draft, I actually thought he’d be the 2nd best out of the draft (behind beasely haha). But I’m disappointed in his lack of progress in his 2nd year. His numbers are pretty much a carbon copy of his rookie year. I’m not sure how. At his age 22 season, he is not as good as Monta was in his age 22 season.
The contract is the only reason why I would want to make this deal, and hope that OJ improves. But I feel it would leave us with less talent than before.
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by lincypoo i wuv u on Feb 17, 2010 11:38 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah, sorry, I was using hoopdata's terminology.
They use %Ast for field goals assisted and ATR for assist rate (which is confusing that the two sites use the same name for completely opposite stats).
by Spider Jerusalem on Feb 17, 2010 11:42 PM PST up reply actions
You must be a new Warriors fan?
Did you ever watch the Warriors when they had Baron? Ellis was one of the best off-ball scorers in the league.
by duballers23 on Feb 17, 2010 10:16 PM PST up reply actions
Umm.
Yeah don’t call me a new Warriors fan. I’ve seen Monta with Baron. The problem is that was 2 years ago. Now, Monta wants to be the man. Now, Monta has the ball in his hands most of the time. Key word in you comment: was.
1) last year monta was injured basically all season and we had no other pg.
2) It is the coaches responsibility to run plays through Curry and have Monta play off the ball.
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by LostHawkGSW on Feb 17, 2010 11:56 PM PST up reply actions
The team wants Monta to be the man
He’s definitely happy with that, but I don’t know that he’d react too negatively to being moved off the ball.
by Reverend_Randy on Feb 18, 2010 12:04 AM PST up reply actions
Monta can work off the ball if he wants to
The problem is Nelson doesn’t coach him.
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thank god.
oj mayo is garbage. he is AT BEST an off the bench scorer. someone like a jamal crawford.
monta is 100000 times better. i dont care what anyone says
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he is AT BEST an off the bench scorer.
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That’s hilarious.
by Reverend_Randy on Feb 17, 2010 7:29 PM PST up reply actions
That's honestly the stupidest thing I've ever heard.
Saying that “OJ Mayo is garbage,” shows that you know very little about the game of basketball.
So says a stoner
Errr… iStoner, my bad.
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by Dubs fan in Boston on Feb 18, 2010 1:24 PM PST up reply actions
I wouldn't call Mayo a "big" 2 guard
He is taller by an inch maybe, longer wingspan by maybe 2 or 3 inches (check the draft express thing if you want to know for sure, but Monta came into the league at 18 and probably got a little bit taller and longer in wingspan since then. I remeber a couple years ago someone talking about how Monta is closer to 6’4" than 6’3"), and is thicker, but not necessarily stronger, but is slower than Monta. Monta plays bigger than his size because he is so athletic.
He's definitely thicker
but I don’t think he’s taller or has a bigger wingspan.
by Reverend_Randy on Feb 17, 2010 7:30 PM PST up reply actions
I think Monta is stronger though
People try to post him up and they have a hard time doing so. He’s stronger than he looks, he’s got a little Baron in him in that term
Rookie: "Why did you bench me?"
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Oh, I believe he's stronger than he used to be
I just don’t think he’s longer.
by Reverend_Randy on Feb 17, 2010 7:31 PM PST up reply actions
According to their pre-draft measurements (on DE.com),
Monta is 6’3.25" in shoes and OJ is exactly an inch taller than that. Monta’s wingspan is 6’2.75" (which is amazing considering most effective drivers have freakishly long arms) and Mayo’s is 6’6".
by Spider Jerusalem on Feb 17, 2010 7:40 PM PST up reply actions
Would people do this trade (Throw in Memphis's first round pick to the Warriors)
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Weird…trade machine isn’t working…but here’s the trade:
Warriors get: Ray Allen + 1st round Memphis pick
Memphis gets: Monta Ellis
Celtics get: OJ Mayo, Corey Maggette, Filler (Thabeeth?)
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or probably hunter for the filler.
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Love It....
Just don’t see Memphis giving up a lottery pick….. Would be more likely for the Celts to give up the pick, but than that makes the trade bad on our part
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by The Dedication on Feb 17, 2010 7:45 PM PST up reply actions
Mem has 3 picks if i remember correctly
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But only one lottery
And they want Monroe badly
Rookie: "Why did you bench me?"
Nellie: "You're a rookie"
I like it.
Not sure if the C’s take on Maggette’s deal, but I think with Thabeet thrown it, it might convince them.
Picks can always be lottery protected as well (if it’s Memphis’ pick).
by Spider Jerusalem on Feb 17, 2010 7:54 PM PST up reply actions
I just figure...
With Maggs and Mayo, they would be back in contention for the Championship…because right now it is a two horse show (LA and Cavs…and Cavs are actually getting even better).
Also they had interested in trading Allen for Ellis, so I figure they could want Mayo also…and throw in one of the best 6th men in the league.
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The already offered OJ + Fillers…and thats obviously a low ball offer…so I could see it happening.
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If this rumor is true, and it wasn't enough for GSW to pull the trigger, I could see them throwing in a 1st.
Perhaps a future first, perhaps lottery protected.
by Spider Jerusalem on Feb 17, 2010 8:14 PM PST up reply actions
so why would you want Ray Allen and the first instead of Mayo and the firsts? I dont see how the Celtics’ involvement in this helps either team.
Thing A
We get to dump Maggette’s contract
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ok
I forgot about that part, but I dont think I’d essentially give up Mayo to be rid of Maggette.
Thing A
You wouldn’t give up Mayo for a first round pick and Maggette’s contract being gone?
Remember…Maggs has 3 more years after this year on his contract…and he’s old…his contract can KILL our ability to have any flexibility.
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if you assume the grizz would give up mayo and a 1st for Ellis, I’d rather just have that package plus Maggette than have to use Mayo to get rid of Maggette.
Thing A
by sam23 on Feb 17, 2010 11:01 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Wow, that gets the Celtics back on top.
i could see Memphis easily doing that, but i doubt we do it. I would want Thabeet. Although he is extremely raw, he is a great defender, rebounder, and shot blocker. Not to mention he shoots 58% from the field, he knows his limitations.
Also which memphis pick. They have 3, projected at 14, 26, 28…. i’m hoping 14.
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I like that for the Celtics
not that much for us
by Reverend_Randy on Feb 17, 2010 9:41 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
IN A HEARTBEAT
So the W’s would get a REAL 2-guard, who’s VERY athletic.
Monta is mini-Maggette in terms of team flow. He’s scoring 26 a game because he’s going for stats.
The sooner this team builds around Curry the better. And once you recognize that, then Ellis is not an ideal fit for this team.
2 games with no Monta and Curry goes for a triple double against a bad team, and a near triple double against one of the best defenses in the league.
Curry is the franchise today – unless they draft a better player. For now, he’s the cornerstone. Ellis is tradebait.
did you forget how monta plays with a PG running the show? He is in no way a mini-maggette.
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Yeah, the way they score is totally different
and I’m not just talking about efficiency.
by Reverend_Randy on Feb 17, 2010 9:42 PM PST up reply actions
that was then
i don’t believe Monta will accept playing that way anymore. if he would Curry would be running the show right now.
It will be interesting to see after Curry’s performances (not the scoring, but the assists) with Monta out if Monta will play off the ball like he did with Baron.
It’s CLEAR this team likes playing better without Monta, just the way Monta liked playing without SJACK.
Corey Maggette: +1
Anthony Tolliver: +29
by samuraaaaiiiiiii on Feb 17, 2010 8:33 PM PST reply actions
Wow, I fail and a half. Thought I was in the game thread :(.
by samuraaaaiiiiiii on Feb 17, 2010 8:35 PM PST up reply actions
that as much as you guys hate on Monta,
you’re stuck with him. And the irony of it is that, for all the hate that a lot of the population on this site levels at management for being incompetent, the Warriors’ front office recognition of Ellis’ special talent- and consequent refusal to squander it away for the most foolish/insignificant of reasons- serves to demonstrate that our management is in fact more qualified and savvy than a lot of you guys give them credit for. And THAT’S why Monta isn’t going anywhere in the close foreseeable future.
Wow, just wow.
Imagining OJ Mayo in a lineup along with curry, we could have a real budding backcourt with major potential. I would have taken this in a heartbeat, no matter what the fillers were. This was a steal. I can understand Cohan’s resistance to trade away the “face” of the franchise, but its clear he has no idea of Monta’s true talent level. I can see rejecting this deal from an image standpoint (Oh hey- we just traded the player we invested $66 Million in just two years ago), but I have a feeling we didn’t pull the trigger b/c the FO thought Monta was the better player in both the short and long run.
imagine this
Curry, Mayo, and EVAN TURNER (assuming we get the 2nd pick, because everyone knows that it would be stupid to pass on Wall if we had the first pick). That would be an exciting core to build around! It would be similar to OKC’s trio of Durant, Green, and Westbrook. I think the Warriors need to make a move and take a page out of OKC’s book. I can’t see Monta and Curry lasting long term. It has to be one or the other. The goal is to build a championship team, and you can’t have a championship team with two small guys in the backcourt, unless you have tremendous front court talent.
You see Turner as a three for this team?
I’m not that high on him, but I’ll have to see him play more.
I think Favors as an athletic 4/5 would fit well, but a healthy GSW team has an abundance at that position (though none quite like Favors, I’d argue).
by Spider Jerusalem on Feb 17, 2010 11:27 PM PST up reply actions
I think Favors stock has dropped some since the season started
not even the top big man prospect anymore
by Reverend_Randy on Feb 17, 2010 11:45 PM PST up reply actions
I know, and I know he has a high bust potential,
but he’s also the type of player that is better suited for the NBA than the college game. He can thrive in transition, and with guards that can create (which Curry can do quite well). From what I’ve watched of him he’s pretty stifled on GTech, and is really struggling in their system (which really plays to almost none of his strengths).
by Spider Jerusalem on Feb 17, 2010 11:58 PM PST up reply actions
Favors is
extremely raw in his offensive game. If we draft him, I doubt he’ll make an impact in his first year. He has NBA size however which is intriguing since he can rebound pretty good.
The Ultimate Realistic Mock Draft
1A) Anthony Davis - RT Rutgers
1B) C.J. Spiller - RB/KR/PR Clemson
2) Kareem Jackson - CB Alabama
3) Demaryius Thomas - WR Georgia Tech
4) Mike Johnson - OG Alabama
5) Sean Canfield - QB Oregon State
6) Keaton Kristic - OLB Oregon State
7) Dexter Davis - OLB/DE Arizona State
No doubt about it.
He’s a project, and I don’t think he’ll ever be a back-to-the-basket scorer, but he’s an athletic freak with the ability to add a mid-range jumpshot and to take his match-up off the dribble from high post isos (and potentially further out). He’s also got great potential defensively, both as a weakside shotblocker and as an interior defender.
He can run the floor, rebound, block shots and finish in the NBA right now, I believe, the rest will take time.
by Spider Jerusalem on Feb 18, 2010 12:45 AM PST up reply actions
I'm not completely sold on Derrick Favors
Think: Stromile Swift
by golden_solitude on Feb 18, 2010 11:27 AM PST up reply actions
A lot of people have soured on Favors because he really hasn’t shown much this season. He has fewer rebounds than turner!
go rowand
by lincypoo i wuv u on Feb 17, 2010 11:47 PM PST up reply actions
Turner is very very very very
good. But I think he’ll be gone by the time the Warriors pick if the Warriors draft 3rd.
The Ultimate Realistic Mock Draft
1A) Anthony Davis - RT Rutgers
1B) C.J. Spiller - RB/KR/PR Clemson
2) Kareem Jackson - CB Alabama
3) Demaryius Thomas - WR Georgia Tech
4) Mike Johnson - OG Alabama
5) Sean Canfield - QB Oregon State
6) Keaton Kristic - OLB Oregon State
7) Dexter Davis - OLB/DE Arizona State
I like Favors, his game is nice.
I just feel like Turner and Wall are two of the surest picks out there. When i watch Turner play, he reminds me of Scottie Pippen, a do it all type of player. I could be wrong. In the end, the Warriors need to change their approach and make some drastic changes. I just don’t see Curry/Ellis being as effective as Curry/(another playmaker) or Monta/(another playmaker.
Favors is a less polished BW and AR. why would we draft him over Wall, Cousins, Turner, or Johnson. Those guys all fill a need, and are better players overall. BPA.
banned like chris andersen
He's a different player than both, I think (though definitely less-polished).
Randolph is more of a 3/4, who likes to handle and shoot from mid-range, and Wright is a strictly a 4, with a solid low-post offensive repertoire. Both are extremely skinny and lack strength. Favors is a 4/5 with a limited low-post game and no mid-range game to speak of, but is a superior rebounder, defender, and finisher (and arguably runs the floor better than both of them).
by Spider Jerusalem on Feb 18, 2010 1:27 AM PST up reply actions
He hasn't rebounded that well in college, has he?
Regardless- Randolph is one of the better rebounders in the whole NBA.
by Reverend_Randy on Feb 18, 2010 1:31 AM PST up reply actions
He's been up and down.
He’s been a very good offensive rebounder, posting a 13.1 OR%, and a solid defensive rebounder, at 20.1 DR%. I should’ve clarified that he’s the superior rebounder at this point (when comparing his freshman numbers to those of Wright and Randolph).
by Spider Jerusalem on Feb 18, 2010 1:48 AM PST up reply actions
Do we know how well rebounding numbers in college translate to the NBA?
by Reverend_Randy on Feb 18, 2010 2:23 AM PST up reply actions
Rebounding tends to be the one thing that always transfers well to the NBA. I just have doubts with these athletic guys sometimes that just dominate athletically in college but can’t in the pros ( Beasley, Wright, etc).
banned like chris andersen
Yeah.
Rebounding usually carries over, but it depends a lot on whether guys are performing based on technique and instinct (which Favors seems to do, to me at least), or just on raw athletic ability (like Michael Beasley, for example).
by Spider Jerusalem on Feb 18, 2010 11:56 AM PST up reply actions
The fact the warriors have played better w/o monta
speaks to idea he is not our ‘best player’ No team should play better w/o there “best player”. I’m afraid i’m starting to think of monta like another ‘starbury’.
I personally like Mayo alot. Unselfish player. good shooter
We played horrible teams and beat them
Big whoop, also Mayo is good but needs the ball in his hands. That’d take it out of Curry’s hands and we know how that works. That’s why they thought about making him there point.
Rookie: "Why did you bench me?"
Nellie: "You're a rookie"
also Mayo is good but needs the ball in his hands.
No, that’s just completely false. He isn’t even top 2 for USG on his team.
by Reverend_Randy on Feb 18, 2010 9:18 PM PST up reply actions
By the numbers....
Mayo:
38.1 mins per game
45.1 fg% on 15.0 FGA per, 4.4 are 3 pt’ers which he hits at 38.7% this year (38.4% last year)
.544 TS% (last year .539)
3.1 assists to 2.1 turnovers.
3.8 rebounds.
86.3% career FT%
Typically
You eat yogurt with curry, not mayo…
Trust me, learning english isn’t a waste of time. It is actually sort of useful.
-randolphforpresident
by Dubs fan in Boston on Feb 18, 2010 1:27 PM PST reply actions
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