Steinmetz: BREAKING- Warriors Nearly Traded Ellis to Memphis
According to separate league sources, the Warriors rejected a proposed deal with Memphis that would have sent Monta Ellis to the Grizzlies for O.J. Mayo and 7-foot-3 rookie center Hasheem Thabeet.
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Interesting...
Now that I know it was Thabeet and haddadi I am kind of intrigued.
this would have been a good trade for us. Mayo is talented and Thabeet is a project who can probably be better than Beans
There's no way
Thabeet will ever come close to being better than Biedrins, he just doesn’t have what it takes to be an effective player in the NBA. Just because he’s tall doesn’t mean he’s going to be good.
Yeah,cuz
Biedrins was awesome his first 2 years…
Thing B
by warriorsscore110 on Feb 20, 2010 10:07 PM PST up reply actions
Why is that?
I disrgard his age cause of how new he is to BBall. All he really needs to do IMO is rebound well (now his rebounding is average, could get betteR) and be a defensive presence inside. If we played him and turiaf + bwright and Randolph for 48 minutes….block party.
Jut looking simply @ 82games.com. He outrebounds his opposing centers by 1.8 per 48 (which is higher than biedrins and in line w/ beans career), effects there shot, (opposing centers r showing eFGs 47% which is bad for a center) and he gets 5.3 blocks per game.
Will Thabeet ever be Hakeem, shaq? NO. Can Thabeet be a top 5 defensive center in NBA? with some work definitely.
Will Thabeet ever be Hakeem, shaq?
No, but I could see him being a Dikembe-like player, and that’s not half bad.
by Missing Barry on Feb 21, 2010 10:25 PM PST up reply actions
I could see him being a Dikembe-like player, and that’s not half bad.
Haha, No that pretty good, the only guy Rudolf will never dunk on for sure.
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by Skeptic con Urquell on Feb 22, 2010 10:04 AM PST up reply actions
Good thing it didn't go through.
Although I have my doubts of a Curry-Ellis backcourt working well together. I want to give them the benefit of the doubt and at least give them these last 30 games to find a better kind of chemistry. To see if Monta is willing to take the ball less and let Curry run the show a little more. Ellis can DEFINITELY be highly efficient/potent off the ball. These next 30 games will tell us if they can work together. And besides, if we were to trade Ellis, I’d rather have it during the off season, after the draft so we at least know who we drafted and go from there
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by JustSomeName on Feb 19, 2010 4:40 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
Still
Mayo is pretty good, and Thabeet is pretty intriguing as a prospect.
by Reverend_Randy on Feb 19, 2010 5:09 PM PST up reply actions
If this was the deal...
WHY THE HELL DIDN’T THEY PULL THE TRIGGER…. God dam.
by Andrew7744 on Feb 19, 2010 4:40 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
thabeet eh?
interesting….. i’d love thabeet next to an offensive power forward. BwrighT?
or they coulda used it to begin there Biedrins + Randolph hunt for a PF
Trade
I would have accepted it. I’m probably a bigger fan of Mayo’s than most, though, and I still like Thabeet’s upside even though we knew his offensive game was limited to begin with.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Feb 19, 2010 4:46 PM PST reply actions
the q about thabeet
can he be like biedrins?
In otherwords…. rebound well, block shots, put in put backs, run the floor
He is not as good a rebounder but a much better shot blocker/defender, and he shoots a high percentage based on easy baskets. He runs better than Biedrins too
If he has the potential to be a 10/10 guy like Beans then I’d have pulled trigger in a heart beat. Then we could have shopped beans
Sure
I definitely think Thabeet has that kind of potential, but it’d take at least a few years.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Feb 19, 2010 5:01 PM PST up reply actions
+1
Let’s look towards our last ~30 losses, I mean, games, last ~30 games! See what happens during the offseason, hopefully Larry Ellison saves us all!
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by JustSomeName on Feb 19, 2010 4:50 PM PST up reply actions
Now that I've heard this in postgame
I agree with this statement. Being offered the trade by Memphis and then rejected by the Warriors does not mean Warriors “nearly”. Bad Steinmetz. Very bad.
by IQofaWarrior on Feb 19, 2010 10:21 PM PST up reply actions
I would have done this deal as much as I love Monta that deal was too good to pass up IMO
by 49erEmpire on Feb 19, 2010 5:49 PM PST via mobile reply actions
Argh.
http://www.goldenstateofmind.com/2010/2/17/1315209/warriors-shoot-down-trade-offer#30952611
I’m really disappointed they turned this down.
by Spider Jerusalem on Feb 19, 2010 7:07 PM PST reply actions
Any time you can turn a late 2nd round draft pick into two top 5 picks, you gotta do it
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by Dubs fan in Boston on Feb 19, 2010 7:10 PM PST reply actions
I doubt it Monta will get hurt sking or something dumb.
by A'Seahawks_Warriors on Feb 19, 2010 10:20 PM PST up reply actions
I really hope do
You know, at the beginning of the season, I would have spit in the grizzlies’ face, but now, I realize that Monta is not part of our future. If we draft Evan Turner, and we hopefully hire Byron Scott or Avery Johnson as coach (Nellie better retire, he is so old that I feel like he’s gonna die on the bench), things will look good. Also, I believe in Larry Riley, he says he will sign a mid-major free agent (+ or – 10mil), and who knows, it may be a joe johnson! Our lineup could be:
Steph/CJ
Mayo/Morrow/Buike
Johnson/Buike/Maggs(if we don’t trade him, don’t play him!)
Randolph/Wright/Turiaf
Goose/Turiaf
Living for a magical 8th seed run
Why do people think Byron Scott and Avery Johnson are good coaches? There might be a reason they aren’t currently employed, you know…
by Missing Barry on Feb 20, 2010 11:10 AM PST up reply actions
Maybe not Avery Johnson, but really................
ANYONE IS AN UPGRADE OVER THE 70 YEAR OLD SCOTCH ADDICT, AND DON"T TRY TO PRETEND OTHERWISE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Living for a magical 8th seed run
Well, not necessarily Keith Smart....
But the point is, shouldn’t we be shooting for a good coach, rather than one we know to be not so good?
by Missing Barry on Feb 20, 2010 1:46 PM PST up reply actions
Lawrence Frank is an intresting option…
there are several other assistant coaches that I think will be able to do a decent job.
http://www.goldenstateworriers.com/2010/02/franchise-fix-9-approach-coach.html#more
Thing B
by warriorsscore110 on Feb 20, 2010 1:56 PM PST up reply actions
Musselman?
Maybe give him another shot? he looked pretty good here and at Sacto.
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by Skeptic con Urquell on Feb 20, 2010 3:48 PM PST up reply actions
Mike Krzyzewski
Once Ellison buys the Warriors, I’d like to see him give Krzyzewski a nice paycheck to become our next coach.
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Ellison?
He seems to prefer aussies to americans?
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by Skeptic con Urquell on Feb 21, 2010 12:00 AM PST up reply actions
russell crowe??
There will be no premadonna’s with that as your coach.
Interesting...
Seth Roth, the newly added personal added to the coaching staff coached Thabeet for pre-draft workouts. Wonder if he had any say for him, just like he did for Hunter.
Warriors rejected a proposed deal with Memphis that would have sent Monta Ellis to the Grizzlies for O.J. Mayo and 7-foot-3 rookie center Hasheem Thabeet.
The more I think about it the more I think this rumor is bogus. Who wouldn’t pull the trigger on this trade? Montay would get to play closer to home and we’d save some money and get a nice big guy to experiment with.
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by Skeptic con Urquell on Feb 19, 2010 10:30 PM PST reply actions
Jeez, that’s a heckuva lot more interesting than just Mayo and expiring money. Per 36, Thabeet is averaging 8.9 points on a .608 TS%, 10.2 rebounds and 4.0 blocks. His foul rate’s real high and his passing numbers are scary-bad (just four assists all year)… still, that’s some pretty fine work for a project big. In fact, let’s compare him to another center’s performance as a rook, per 36:
Rookie Thabeet: 8.9 PTS, .608 TS%, 10.2 REB, 0.3 AST, 1.6 TO, 4.0 BLK, 0.7 STL, 6.7 PF
Rookie Biedrins: 10.2 PTS, .570 TS%, 11.1 REB, 1.1 AST, 1.1 TO, 2.3 BLK, 1.1 STL, 8.2 PF
Four years younger and free of Thabeet’s passing woes, Biedrins was clearly the higher-upside guy… I wouldn’t expect Thabeet to get as good as Beans. Still, if someone offers you a guy like this, you’d damn well better think hard about it.
If the Grizzlies really offered Mayo and Thabeet for Monta, the Warriors were idiots to turn that trade down. Monta for Mayo strikes me as a pretty lateral move, but throw in Thabeet and it’s a no-brainer of a trade. Sadly, this is a no-brainer of a franchise. A missed opportunity.
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Even more fustrating because...
teams were so intrested in Turiaf. If we pulled off this trade, than we could have easily flipped Turiaf (and possibly Watson) for a first round pick. Could of freed up alot of salary cap space as well….
Just fustrating and a lack of direction from the franchise.
Thing B
by warriorsscore110 on Feb 20, 2010 1:12 PM PST up reply actions
thabeet could be 5 times the defender biedrins is
if he is that and rebounds average for a center… alone, thats an upgrade.
Alot of scouts said he would probably be a taller dalembert type player.
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There’s no way the Grizzlies offered this, right? They just used the 2nd overall pick on Thabeet, and he’s been a very useful player in his limited PT so far. I honestly don’t believe this offer was on the table. If it was, Riley failed us miserably.
I’m not sure what that’s supposed to mean?
by Missing Barry on Feb 20, 2010 11:10 AM PST up reply actions
Just that
With an organization as nutty as this one, you never know what their motivations are, or who is making the decisions. If real, something as big as this is way out of the singular influence of Larry Riley. And I do agree with you that it seems weird that Memphis would give up Thabeet so quickly.
by Duh Duh Man on Feb 20, 2010 12:06 PM PST up reply actions
The only thing I can think of is Memphis sees his 26/5.5/4 with 2.2 steals a game line and buys into it being real and indicating Monta is really a star player. From that rationale, giving up two lesser players (but recent high picks that will be seen as having “lots of potential”) for him makes sense. In which case Memphis would be a poorly run organization. That’s the only rationale I could possibly think of that would make them want to do the rumored trade. I really have a hard time buying they were willing to offer both Mayo and Thabeet for Monta. If it is true, we passed up a huge opportunity.
by Missing Barry on Feb 20, 2010 12:42 PM PST up reply actions
monta is from the south
you really don’t get how big a deal that is for them.
They also traded for Z-bo and value rudy gay and gave away pau gasol cause he wasn’t marketable in memphis. This is not the most smart management… even if they r working now.
The idea of monta, Z-bo and Gay has isiah thomas written all over it
Eh, I did live in the South for a few years, I have a bit of an idea…..
by Missing Barry on Feb 20, 2010 10:51 PM PST up reply actions
unrelated note...
I do find it funny, they want monta when he’s having his biggest ‘numbers year’ when he’s actually having his least effective year (inefficient scorer + high turn overs. They wanted Z-Bo (though thats turned out good, i still think it’s more a product of gasol and team and Z-Bo), and if they pay rudy gay big….
i mean these r all things many here would say are awful decisions…
Many my theory that “the only way it makes sense is if Memphis thinks Monta’s line this year is for real and indicates he’s a star” isn’t too far off….
by Missing Barry on Feb 21, 2010 10:26 PM PST up reply actions
With an organization as nutty as this one, you never know what their motivations are,
The Warriors would have been shaving a bit off the payroll this year and in the future, so it was definetly not a finacial move. The only thinking is that losing Ellis could have a been a pr hit….If Riley had to go to ownership for trade approval (and I am sure he has to at some level).
We can still hope that this trade goes thru after the draft. Marc Stein was reporting that on true hoop.
http://espn.go.com/blog/TrueHoop/post/_/id/13688/bell-intends-to-stay-with-warriors
Thing B
by warriorsscore110 on Feb 20, 2010 1:16 PM PST up reply actions
I am not going to call the FO foolish for this decision just yet
The deal is interesting no doubt, it gives them depth in the frontcourt, and it makes the backcourt potentially palatable. Not really sold on Thabeet, Haven’t watched him that much, but I never liked him after I saw Blair take it to him when Pitt and UConn played, just wasn’t a good look. But I like his value in this deal.
Because Memphis is really interested in Monta, being that they offered Mayo twice and added Thabeet as sweetner the second time around. We can assume that deal will be there in the summer. It is a risk, but there are incentives to letting this play out then, like draft positioning/availability (Do we get John Wall?), current roster evaluations (Can Monta and Curry play together), and knowing the actual cap for 2010-11. Also, as long as this deal is viable it becomes the market price for Ellis. Meaning any team wanting Ellis knows they have to match or beat that deal. As good as this looked, if it’s there later why not wait a little to see what shakes loose.
I do concede when i first heard this I was pissed, and this comment represents my hope that the team I support is not completely incompetent.
i think biedrins comes into play.
I don’t think warriors wanted to pull the trigger before they had a deal for Beans. Minute they bring thabeet, and beans declining minute, his value is DEAD in a trade, which would suck cause even on a sub par year…. we package beans w/ something. We could get a very nice player .
For me a dream scenerio would have been trading AR + Beans 4 josh smith. And soemhow getting #2 pick and turner. Seeing curry, mayo, turner, smith, turiaf start. backup PG, morrow, buike, wright, thabeet in the rotation…. (the block party of jsmoov, thabeet, turiaf, bwright…. My god :D :D)
but hell even i’d take trading for Amare (assuming he doesnt opt out). Even if we don’t sign him in 2011, maybe BWright has proven himself. And if not? well we coud go after horford
Care to back up that assertion with evidence?
by Missing Barry on Feb 20, 2010 10:52 PM PST up reply actions
Care to back up that assertion with evidence?
C’mon man, he did say “in actuality” — how can you argue with that?
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by Sleepy Freud on Feb 21, 2010 6:23 AM PST up reply actions
Hows a center who averages 11 minutes a game
that averages 2.9 points and 2.7 rebounds really make the Warriors better? Thabeet is a project that’s going to take years and years and if he doesn’t amount to anything he’s just a poor mans version of Adonal Foyle.
if he doesn’t amount to anything he’s just a poor mans version of Adonal Foyle.
he’s infinitely more athletic than Adonal ever was. He’s more athletic than Biedrins TBH. He can run the court. That alone will get him 8 to 10 easy points if he plays 30 mins. MY biggest q is his Rebounding. If he can rebound well and defend and he’s useful enough. Let’s not act like Beans is some virtuoso of the center position. If i can get a comparable rebounder to beans with better defense i’d glady drop the latvian.
Better free throw shooter too!
He’s also 6 inches taller than Foyle….
by Missing Barry on Feb 21, 2010 10:27 PM PST up reply actions
but i doubt thabeet would talk to me @ the gym
Adonal. Classy guy
Once again the Warriors made a BIG msitake
we are the smallest team in the league. Sometimes we have Monta at the 3 and Maggette at the 5!! That is just pathetic!! The Western Conference has a lot of Bigs such as Pau Gasol, Tim Duncan, Dirk, and many more. We said no to a 7 foot 3 inch blocking machine animal because we wanted to keep a injury prone ball hogger(O.J. Mayo would be nice too). Larry Ellison, I hope you are listening, because we really need you!!!!!
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I don't think nellie likes monta
Nellie is always critical of him publicly. And from my impression he doesn’t think monta can be “the guy”
Thabeet is garbage
Haddadi may have some talent but probably wouldn’t see any minutes. Basically it’s again Mayo for Ellis and I would much rather have Ellis.
Yeah guys
Let’s judge a project big based on his first season in the NBA.
by Reverend_Randy on Feb 21, 2010 12:13 AM PST up reply actions
haddadi has a lot of talent actually BUT...
He is SLOW/unathletic beyond belief. He’d be useful to spurs or portland or a slower pace team.
He would sell tickets though. Big persian community in bay. Might as well get Yi too. Haddadi/Yi front court. Sell out oracle to FOBs across the bay
If you guys really think about it, Thabeet does the same things that Biedrins and Turiaf do, and although Thabeet is only a rookie, usually clumsy bigs stay clumsy. I’m not saying that Thabeet isn’t going to be good, but I don’t see him becoming that great of a center just because he is 7’3". You guys know that Thabeet would be a late first rounder if he was 6’11" because he can do the things he does because of his size. The guy does not posess a whole lot of skill. Thabeet is also 23 years old (not even a year younge than Biedrins), which is young, but it usually takes big men a while to become good. Just take a look at Bynum. He’s only 22 and got in the NBA at 17 or 18. It’s taken him a while to get where he is at, and he has always been pretty skilled. Thabeet is older than him and is in his first year in the NBA without any real offensive skills. The same can be said for Biedrins, but at least we know that Biedrins is capable of averaging a double-double. The same cannot be said for Thabeet. So it’s basically Ellis vs. Mayo, and Ellis is the better player of the two.
But it's not Ellis vs Mayo, it also has Mayo and Thabeet's potential in there
Thabeet is already a very very good shot blocker. If he never becomes much more, he’s still a valuable player.
by Reverend_Randy on Feb 21, 2010 3:54 AM PST up reply actions
That would just mean
that Thabeet is a clone of Foyle, no offensive game and can block shots but pick up cheap fouls as well.
that Thabeet is a clone of Foyle,
Except taller and more athletic and with longer arms. So wait, he isn’t at all a clone of Foyle. That’s a foolish assessment.
by Reverend_Randy on Feb 21, 2010 5:37 PM PST up reply actions
He's like a poor mans Dikembe... really poor
He has no offense at all. Except for the occasional dunk
Rookie: "Why did you bench me?"
Nellie: "You're a rookie"
Well, he's a rookie
even though he isn’t as young as other novice NBA players, he should still improve because of his relative unfamiliarity to the game.
by Reverend_Randy on Feb 22, 2010 5:33 PM PST up reply actions
He might not be very skilled (that tends to happen when you don’t start playing basketball until you’re 15?), but 7’3, with his length and athleticism, is meaningful. He could become a defensive terror who cleans up on the glass, and as long as he only shoots when he gets the ball at the rim on offense, that’s a very worthwhile player, and as much as I like Biedrins, he’s never going to dominate the defensive end like that. Thabeet, based on how he’s played in limited minutes so far this year, has been arguably better than Turiaf as a rookie. Yeah, I wouldn’t mind having a Thabeet, even if his offensive game never develops.
by Missing Barry on Feb 21, 2010 7:26 AM PST up reply actions
but 7’3, with his length and athleticism
Key term. He runs the court really well. Arguably better than beans. That alone can get Thabeet 3 to 5 easy buckets a game depending on game time. If he can rebound consistently and defend the hoop (5.3 blocks per 38 WOW) he’s a more than effective player.
It’s not like he’s phillip seymour hoffman in “along came polly” letting it rain out there. He seems to know his limitations….
Somehow Thabeet got left out of the story. Strange….
by Missing Barry on Feb 21, 2010 7:23 AM PST up reply actions
Haha
read to achieve?
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by Skeptic con Urquell on Feb 22, 2010 10:05 AM PST up reply actions
NBA DRAFT PREVIEW OF THABEET
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u_NKlU5iMqc
pretty good stuff….
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