RECAP: Golden State Warriors 108, Atlanta Hawks 104- Welcome to the Bay
by Atma Brother ONE on Feb 22, 2010 12:38 AM PST
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- Hawks prove a better fit for [Jamal] Crawford [Bay Area News Group]
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Turnovers, Turnovers, and More Turnovers
Before we proceed on to the good stuff this must be addressed for the umpteenth time this season. Let me refer you back to this tidbit from the 2009-2010 Golden State Warriors Preview Marco-Warriornomics Edition:
The Human Powered Turnover Machine
Barring no injuries and if Monta Ellis can make through the season without hopping on a "low-speed moped", it's a pretty safe bet that the Warriors will lead the league in turnovers. Monta Ellis, Stephen Jackson, Corey Maggette, Anthony Randolph will be the main culprits. Rookie Stephen Curry will probably add to the turnover totals considerably, but we will excuse the rookie.
We'll be using this picture quite a bit in our recaps this season.
Tonight was the usual:
- Monta Ellis: 4 turnovers to 4 assists
- Stephen Curry: 5 turnovers to 3 assists
Seriously, this has to stop. It's annoying. Earlier in the year I was willing to give Curry a pass since he's a rookie, but at this point in the season it's time to hold him to non-rookie standards as he's proven to be more than capable at all other levels of his game. Ellis is fairly hopeless and probably a lost cause though in this department with his eternally low hoops IQ. I've given up on Ellis freeing himself from the nickname The Human Turnover Machine, but I've still got hope for Curry. That is all on this topic. If you want more see Polling GSoM: Will the Golden State Warriors lead the league in turnovers this season?, but for now let's move on.
It Takes 8 + Nellie
There was a lot to like for the 8 who suited up tonight. This is a very good Atlanta Hawks team and a thoroughly injured and beaten up Golden State Warriors team. There's also a very sizable talent discrepancy. Credit Warriors head coach Don Nelson for some creativity here. He ran 2 centers against the Hawks and 3 guards to mix things up. He brought Monta Ellis off the bench at the right time and didn't screw up the Warriors great run in the 4th. This is not a game the Warriors were supposed to win.
Let's go down the boxscore:
Stephen Curry (+5)
The shooting was there (13 for 18 from the field and 5 for 5 from the line), but two things really impressed me about Kid Curry tonight- the 9 rebounds and his fantastic drives and nifty finishes near the rim. Over the past 5 games Curry is averaging 8.2 rebounds per game. Anyone out there think he's too small and slim for the NBA?
"Do Does"?
Monta Ellis (-15)
It was a little disheartening to see the Warriors do most of their 35-14 4th quarter damage against the Hawks with Ellis on the bench not displaying even a fraction of the enthusiasm and camaraderie his other teammates (dressed in the David Stern's "business casual" or in Warriors warmups) showed, but that's not what we're going to focus on. It was Ellis' D down the stretch on the Hawks best player Joe Johnson, especially that fantastic stripage (see below), and free throws that sealed the deal.
JJ gets stripped by Monta.
Okay we will focus on this little more. Is it just me or does this cast of Warriors just look happier out there WITHOUT Ellis? We'll get to that another time.
Should the Warriors put a little Mayo on it this summer?
I mean Tha Beet goes on...
Andris Biedrins (+4)
The best part of Biedrins' game tonight was the passing. His 5 assists really helped the cause.
But let's not get carried away here.
Andris Biedrins (33:13 minutes)- 4 points, 13 rebounds
Al Horford (36:44 minutes)- 26 points, 11 rebounds
Um, for those of you counting at home that would be ANOTHER starting center matchup that Biedrins has lost this season- see The Andris Biedrins Starting Center Matchup Watch. Why did Chris Mullin, Robert Rowell, and a large portion of fair weather fans who jumped on the Warriors bandwagon right after the 2007 NBA Playoffs believe Biedrins was a franchise cornerstone? I have no idea.
Anthony Morrow (+7)
There aren't going to be many games where AMMO misses ALL of his 3pt and free throw attempts, but this was the rare occurrence. The good news is he did manage to contribute a little something and produced more than the Hawks' questionable #2 pick overall (right ahead of Chris Paul and Deron Williams) Marvin Williams.
Anthony Tolliver (+3)
The Dubs didn't really get much from Tolliver, but let's keep tabs on Ant Tolli. He really seems to move like a more fluid Adonal Foyle. I'm not really sure what that means of course, but let's see.
C.J. Watson (+14)
It was his night and without him especially down the stretch the Warriors wouldn't have gotten this one. Watson is usually not much of a distributor, but tonight he was the Warriors only reliable backcourt source of assistage with 6 dimes and 0 turnovers. Watson is streaky, but when he's using his speed to streak down the court in transition good things will happen for him and this ball club.
Only the Warriors would give someone a free ticket for replicating quite possibly the worst haircut in the entire NBA.
C.J. Watson Mohawk Night [Warriors.com]
Devean George (-16)
Championship expertise jokes aside, George gave the Dubs some much needed solid D and chipped in a little offense off their shallow bench. For whatever it's worth, George actually bested his trade partner's Marco Belinelli's past 2 games in this single outing tonight.
Chris Hunter (+18)
Hunter's performances this season seem to be either really good or really invisible. Tonight Hunter was really good off the bench. He held position down low in the 4th and gave the Dubs some solid D, quantified with 2 swats and a pick. His 12 points gave the Warriors a desperately-needed scoring option from a big- something the Warriors $9 million dollar big man of the "FUTURE" simply has not provided this season.
Hotlanta Hawks
We already glanced over Horford's stat line, but let's also give some ink to Josh Smith (14 points, 17 rebounds, 7 assists, 2 blocks, and 2 steals) and Joe Johnson (31 points, 5 rebounds, 3 assists, and 2 steals). Part of me thinks the Hawks should have pounded the Warriors more with Johnson against the smaller Warriors guards and Horford against the defensively soft Biedrins. But oh well- game, set, point, match- WARRIORS.
Around the Association: 2009-2010 Atlanta Hawks- Sorry, Mrs. Jackson. The Hawks are for real.
Josh Smith takes one for the team against tonight's Warrior Wonder Stephen Curry.
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Great game..
The team was clicking, they got the crowd into it late in the game and played some great defense.
Just hope we don’t get into anymore Monta Ellis debates.
anymore Monta Ellis debates.
As long as Curry and Ellis are both in the Bay, those debates will contine. Espicially if we continue to be one of the worst teams in the NBA.
Thing B
by warriorsscore110 on Feb 22, 2010 1:44 AM PST up reply actions
+1
And it seems like Curry’s starting to win over the fans. This may get ugly quick.
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Starting to? Curry was a fast fan favorite
by Reverend_Randy on Feb 22, 2010 8:07 PM PST up reply actions
As soon as i saw you were doing this recap i knew
Biedrins would get some words. Did you mention his d with in the fourth and his put back dunk? Him and Hunter stopping the bleeding inside is what really turned this game around. The defense got turned up and it translated to scoring.
I noticed this too
When Nelson started going big the Warriors did way better. I wondered why we didn’t try that earlier.
by brutusbrutus on Feb 22, 2010 1:41 AM PST up reply actions
I agree
Beans is good, but you don’t leave him out to dry with George at PF (or Maggs for that matter) and expect him to do well.
Put Beans with another legitimate big and good things happen.
So let me get this straight... Maggette is the healthy guy.
"Winning is not enough. All others must lose." - Larry Ellison
by Badly Browned on Feb 22, 2010 8:22 AM PST up reply actions
Also to you all that say monta is bad for the team
He shows leadership as much as you would like to try and bash him. The guy is in a transition year as is the team trying to find an identity. He has not said once he is opposed to playing off the ball> Even though you all want to put words in his mouth for him. Jaymee was saying how much did he want to have a bounceback game and he interupted her almost and said no it is not about me having a game it was about them as a team having a good game.
Also said the crowd should be the sixth man of the year, Yes that does mean you to mdb. Since you said you were at the game. Does that make you mad?
as much as you would like to try and bash him
Ellis has been a professional, anyone who says otherwise is wrong(outside of the moped incident ofcourse). I just don’t think he is a franchise player and I dont think he is a good match with Curry. And I would rather move forward with Curry.
Thing B
by warriorsscore110 on Feb 22, 2010 1:46 AM PST up reply actions
the box score reads three assists
for Curry, but does that measure what those two fifty-foot parabolas for lay-ins accomplished psychologically, or his floor leadership in the fourth quarter? Watson seems to push himself onto another level when the backcourt duties are up to just Curry and him; it will make for interesting negotiations this summer and provide another factor in the keep/convert-trade conundrum w. Ellis.
Watson wants nothing to do with this franchise,
and who can blame him….
If he cant get a sign and trade he’ll take his qo and gut it out. I guarantee he won’t take a long term deal or even sign an offer sheet with the threat that the Warriors might match….
Thing B
by warriorsscore110 on Feb 22, 2010 1:42 AM PST up reply actions
if he didnt want to
stay with the warriors he would have signed with the 76ers for more money.
Ellis is fairly hopeless and probably a lost cause though in this department with his eternally low hoops IQ
I think most of his turnovers are the result of him not being able to dribble the basketball more than it has to do with his “hoops IQ”.
Curry’s turnovers mostly result from being too carefree with the ball. Or maybe he just loves passing so much that he gets carried away and passes it to the other team.
This game should be good news for both Monta-lovers and Monta-haters. Hopefully Nellie realizes he should play Monta less, which Monta-lovers should love because a popular excuse for the times he screws up is that he plays too many minutes. Monta-haters should look forward to seeing Monta play fewer minutes because they think the team plays better without him.
by samuraaaaiiiiiii on Feb 22, 2010 2:35 AM PST reply actions
Curry start having those
turnover since Monta return. Maybe he just want to make sure to pass it to Monta or he gonna get his behind whoop on the locker room. I think when Monta is in the floor Curry, Morrow, Watson Tolliver. Just watch Monta do his ISO and wait for the ball. But if he is not on the floor they got more ball movement.
Win Or Lose Warriors For Life.........
Funny how Hawks fans reacted
Over at peachtreehoops, this one loss has them tossing their entire team under the bus, and congratulating the Warriors on a win that will have them still “going nowhere” come April.
Oh how easily they forget. Not that long ago they were a joke of a franchise missing the playoffs year after year…I could understand a mighter-than-thou comment like that coming from maybe Laker fans…but Hawks fans? I would think they might be more compassionate to such a dedicated fanbase having to suffer through another losing season. All well.
My icon is a testament to the Dubs ability to play defense.
At least people show up to watch our games.
by samuraaaaiiiiiii on Feb 22, 2010 12:27 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
It's the day after,
and I still can’t shake this feeling of disappointment in this comeback win. Maybe it’s the other 3 qtrs that I’m remembering. Maybe it’s that this whole game followed the usual script of a 3rd qtr collapse followed by a 4th qtr comeback attempt, only this time, we completed the script. Or maybe this comeback just felt “too easy”, like it didn’t feel like we overcame anything hard and challenging in the 4th qtr. I think what I feel isn’t disappointment as much as it’s emptiness.
Would you have preferred a 4QC but a dominating enough 3rd qtr to win it? :)
So let me get this straight... Maggette is the healthy guy.
"Winning is not enough. All others must lose." - Larry Ellison
by Badly Browned on Feb 22, 2010 8:23 AM PST up reply actions
Hah
That would be a new twist to the script. If that became our normal script, we’d be complaining that the Warriors had no backbone because they couldn’t play the final 12 minutes.
by IQofaWarrior on Feb 22, 2010 8:31 AM PST up reply actions
a lot of times W's lose games in 4Q
because they are out of gas -you can’t expect Monta to be clutch in final minute if he played 47 minutes before
if Nellie can rest Monta rotating Curry CJ and ME at guard spots i m sure that could give Nellie his record ….this season
WTF FTW!
by Lat We N Trash on Feb 22, 2010 8:47 AM PST up reply actions
Like the Dallas Game!!!!!
Living for a magical 8th seed run
Andris Biedrins (+4)
The best part of Biedrins’ game tonight was the passing. His 5 assists really helped the cause.
that’s what you get when you write recap from boxscore
the best part was not his assists (4 of those came in 1st Q ) -i’d give him a credit for those because it helped W’s to stay in game early -though i suspect his assists sometimes go up just because …he is afraid to get fouled (but that’s another story -i’ve got no doubt that this ofseason he will not play with his national team and will work hard to get back to his normal 57% self from the line)
he played great D tonight (maybe not all 100% of time but about 87% he was really good) and his offensive rebounding was something what i haven’t seen from him for a long time
also -in a forth Q he get a great luxury to play along with other big (2C and 3 guards) -that’s something what gave him opportunity to play real 101 D not concentrating so much on help defense as usual
-while most of the time Nellie as a coach reminds me drunk poker player he played his poker well tonight
WTF FTW!
by Lat We N Trash on Feb 22, 2010 8:42 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
that’s exactly why I always laugh when AB1 knocks Monta and his bball IQ, as if he knows what he is talking about.
The best part about Andris’ game yesterday was not his passing. Not even close. It was his work in the paint coupled with Hunter in the 4th. They were denying everything in the 4th quarter. That is what turned the game around. Even with his “low” bball IQ Monta knew that. Just read the postgame quotes.
by sjsnider on Feb 22, 2010 11:15 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
It was his work in the paint coupled with Hunter in the 4th. They were denying everything in the 4th quarter.
So… you keep your opponents to 14 points in a quarter by playing solid defense and you win? Go figure…
I’m getting past the point where I start reading a recap, see some Biedrins bashing, look back up to see AB1 is the writer and getting pissed off. I’m just not quite able to let it slide off my back quite yet. AB1 will issue a Biedrins bashing every chance he gets, and then some. He’ll interject Biedrins bashing into a conversation about Randolph vs. Jason Thompson, and I’m frankly surprised he didn’t chime in with something on the Curry vs. Evans thread. Bottom line is, AB1 thinks AB is a bad basketball player… for no particular reason.
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by Dubs fan in Boston on Feb 22, 2010 11:47 AM PST up reply actions 6 recs
AB1 will issue a Biedrins bashing every chance he gets
Bottom line is, AB1 thinks AB is a bad basketball player… for no particular reason.
i think probably he even don’t care so much what kind of player Biedrins really is
-it seems to me that for some reason he enjoys to repeat same things over and over again season after season
i am reading GSOM about 3 years and i’ve got impression that Atma will never waste a chance of good AB bashing (especially knowing that he will have even more opportunities in comment section)
WTF FTW!
by Lat We N Trash on Feb 22, 2010 12:00 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Not to mention a Monta bashing
Did I mention that he rode a moped with some friends and injured himself a few years ago?
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by Dubs fan in Boston on Feb 22, 2010 1:09 PM PST up reply actions
:)
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usually reading AB1 i try to keep my smirk on
WTF FTW!
by Lat We N Trash on Feb 22, 2010 1:38 PM PST up reply actions
Problem is...
He’s this kind of troll:
(Hint: GSoM is his bridge)
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by Dubs fan in Boston on Feb 22, 2010 5:01 PM PST up reply actions
i would get that even without hint :)
i just never thought that he is sooo big
WTF FTW!
by Lat We N Trash on Feb 22, 2010 5:07 PM PST up reply actions
Bottom line is, AB1 thinks AB is a bad basketball player… for no particular reason.
probably because he can’t shoot well enough to be called a basketball player? He’s more of a volleyball player, and they way he kicked that ball into the stands and broke the speaker he’s probably more of a punter too?
Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Feb 22, 2010 2:38 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
+1
My icon is a testament to the Dubs ability to play defense.
by JR Repertoire on Feb 22, 2010 7:07 PM PST up reply actions
I dunno
But I can recall two 4th Qtr comeback wins with Bavetta this season
So let me get this straight... Maggette is the healthy guy.
"Winning is not enough. All others must lose." - Larry Ellison
by Badly Browned on Feb 22, 2010 9:44 AM PST up reply actions
me too -i just want to know where i could get some info about games reffed by Bavetta or Crawford
IMO Bavetta is one of the best refs today
-he lets game flow itself and let players decide the game
-unlike for example Joey Crawford (who is one of the most hated ref by me) even not talking about Violet Palmer (tnx god haven’t seen her for a while)
WTF FTW!
by Lat We N Trash on Feb 22, 2010 9:50 AM PST up reply actions
ok i think
we should keep monta as a sixed man and then curry and bell/morrow or what ever play sg with him and draft tunner to play sf and hopefuly trade maggs or even with him we still look good next years roster
curry/C.J
bell/morrow/monta(or what ever)
maggette/tunner/morrow
Ar/wright/
beanies/hunter/tollivre/turiaf/
Can Monta at least Cheer?
I could not agree more with Monta’s pathetic enthusiasm for the team when he is on the bench. Anyone still think this team is better with Monta and Curry is smoking something very wrong. Good to see a win, and I admit Monta did have a hand in this win, BUT the comeback he had nothing to do with…not even a Cheer…
The comeback
Had to do with going big in the front court, it had nothing to do with Ellis being out. Also, Ellis probably didn’t cheer because he was dead tired from having to play all game and defend one of the best post up offensive guards in the league, JJ.
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by LostHawkGSW on Feb 22, 2010 10:10 AM PST up reply actions
It had everything to do with Monta being out.
I would like the quote Atma Brother ONE
“Okay we will focus on this little more. Is it just me or does this cast of Warriors just look happier out there WITHOUT Ellis?”
The W’s just play better without Monta…and yes the do look happier WITHOUT Monta.
by BayAreaScrub on Feb 22, 2010 10:25 AM PST up reply actions
2 steals to seal the game
The W’s just play better without Monta
I don’t think they would have won without him
Please
It had everything to do with Hunter and Biedrins playing at the same time.
by WheresMyChippy on Feb 22, 2010 10:35 AM PST up reply actions
everything? 1st of all, Tolliver was in to start. Steph, CJ & Morrow played great offensively & with energy defensively (CJ especially).
Woodson played Zaza, Teague, Smoove, Crawford & Marvin. He puts JJ back in & they score immediately, but then decided to attack the W’s with the Biedrins – Smoove match up as soon as Andris & Horford come in. By the time the game gets tied up, he finally goes back to JJ, but by then it’s too late.
good (or bad if you think about it in lottery terms) decision by Nellie to put Hunter on Horford & Andris on JSmoove since this causes Woodson to go to the Josh v. Andris match up over & over again until they are down by 2 (97-95).
by homer simpson on Feb 22, 2010 10:52 AM PST up reply actions
We looked happy cause we played well
When we play well with or without him we play well. Monta played when Tolliver was center, when he was out there were 2 centers. That’s why we won, we went big. Ellis played well and so did Curry. Without Monta we lose this game, Ammo in the crunch would not be able to guard JJ. Monta played very clutch, and the non cheering him thing is made up.I saw him cheer for his teammates I have no idea where this is coming from.
Rookie: "Why did you bench me?"
Nellie: "You're a rookie"
Monta Bothered Joe Johnson
Monta did a great job defending the bigger man. He didn’t stop JJ every single time, but I don’t think any other warrior could have done near as good as job as Monta did. At least none that are healthy now.
The fact is, Curry and Monta both played well which is what many of you said could not happen. We’ve seen Curry develop right before our eyes this year and yes Monta has to take the role that he’s not going to get the ball everytime the Warriors are on offense. I think he’s fine with it and just wants the team to win like us all. Monta may not be a franchise player, but he’s a damn good player. All of this disharmony crap is just to stir up the pot to get people to talk about nothing.
He didn’t stop JJ every single time, but I don’t think any other warrior could have done near as good as job as Monta did. At least none that are healthy now.
I’d probably say Devean George could have which doesn’t necessarily mean that he would have.
by homer simpson on Feb 22, 2010 2:19 PM PST up reply actions
Is it just me or does this cast of Warriors just look happier out there WITHOUT Ellis?"
They don’t know enough to know they should be unhappy. Half of them are lucky to just be in the NBA so they’d look happy playing with a german shepard for a point guard.
Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Feb 22, 2010 2:43 PM PST up reply actions
i wouldn’t say nothing to do with Ellis being out. Curry & Watson really took over offensively without Monta in and Morrow got 6 pts & a nice assist to Hunter to start the run. it wasn’t all about Tolliver & Hunter (& later Biedrins)
Mike Woodson also helped by playing the offensively challenged Zaza & the defensively challenged Teague (only played like 3 minutes before JJ came in) & Crawford along with Marvin Williams (who did almost nothing all game, thanks to Woodson’s ridiculous idea to have him chase around a PG on defense) to start the 4th.
Nellie also made a fortunate decision to have Hunter guard Horford & Biedrins guard Josh Smith b/c for some reason Woodson decided to keep feeding Smith during the run & Biedrins (w/ help from the guards) was able to hold down Smith while they ignored Horford & Joe Johnson.
by homer simpson on Feb 22, 2010 10:45 AM PST up reply actions
I don't think it was a "fortunate" decision by Nellie
He’s a smart coach. He wouldn’t have been a coach for as long as he has if he wasn’t good. With as little talent and as many injuries as he’s had to manage, I’m amazed at how competitive a team he’s able to put out there. His gameplans might be different than other coaches, but he does very very well with what little he has.
by jimmycaps on Feb 22, 2010 12:12 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
if i were Woodson, i’d probably have tested either tested Hunter to see if he could guard Horford 1 on 1 in the post or continued to feed JJ vs Morrow/Watson instead of going to JSmith v Biedrins over & over again.
it’s 95-82 when AB comes in for Tolliver. Zaza misses his jumper vs Andris & then Josh subs in for Zaza & proceeds to miss 3 more jumpers – i think he got fouled once, but it was a side out. there was also a 20 ft jumper for JJ (if memory serves, Josh wastes the majority of the shot clock 1st trying to get the ball to JJ, gives up, makes a move that goes nowhere and kicks it back out to JJ with like 7 secs left on the clock) & a 26 ft jumper for Crawford (which was set up by Josh when Andris goes for a steal & Curry rotates down to help & Josh kicks the ball out).
This ends the Josh Smith vs Andris stretch of the game and begins the JJ post game. The W’s now lead 97-95. i’d say the W’s were pretty fortunate that Woodson decided Smith vs Andris which led to a 4 minute stretch where they didn’t score was a better match up to attack than the JJ vs Morrow match up.
JJ had been 2-2 vs Morrow & 0-1 vs CJ before Andris vs Josh Smith started (thanks to Woodson). As soon as they stopped the Josh Smith foolishness, JJ immediately made another bucket, then got to the foul line (with Monta now in – the foul where Nellie goes ballistic).
Unless Nellie somehow knew that Woodson would abandon JJ when he put Biedrins in, i’d call this fortunate. It was really a response to the Zaza & Horford line up – credit Nellie for sticking with Biedrins even after Woodson puts Smith back in for Zaza (though AB seems to guard these perimeter bigs like Smith better than post guys like Horford ).
Also Biedrins & Hunter are vulnerable vs pick & roll, but whoever does the scouting for the Hawks apparently either doesn’t know this or ball-screen is just not part of the Hawks’ repertoire.
by homer simpson on Feb 22, 2010 2:12 PM PST up reply actions
Nice post, Homer! I love info like this.
credit Nellie for sticking with Biedrins even after Woodson puts Smith back in for Zaza (though AB seems to guard these perimeter bigs like Smith better than post guys like Horford ).
I’m surprised we don’t discuss this about Biedrins more often. Oh wait, he usually gets yanked by the coach, so there isn’t much to talk about. LOL. But I do think Andris is much more versatile on the defensive end than we (and the coaching staff) tend to give him credit for.
Curry & Watson really took over offensively without Monta
Thats because we went big and started to rebound. Our offensive flow relies on rebounding misses and pushing the ball. When we went big, we could push the ball better.
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yes, scoring on 14 of 15 possessions (Curry & Morrow mix up was the only possession that the team didn’t score) was a result of Tolliver/Biedrins & Hunter.
Curry didn’t miss. Morrow was 3-4. Watson had 6 pts & missed one shot that he rebounded himself. they got all the assists or made passes leading to FTs. They made the difference offensively in that 4th. CJ also did a great job defensively digging down for steals.
imo, it’s pretty insulting to their effort that you’re basically rejecting what they did offensively as having resulted from having 2 bigs in. The W’s have played Turiaf/AB or Tolliver/AB or Turiaf/Tolliver or whatever and that hasn’t equated to offensive success – usually the opposite happens – defend better, but struggle to score.
i know you want to defend Monta’s honor against the haters, but that doesn’t mean you can’t recognize how effective Curry, CJ & Morrow are together offensively.
by homer simpson on Feb 22, 2010 1:27 PM PST up reply actions
You realize
they were that efficient because they had tons of early offense and fast break opportunities. We get the a defensive stop, we get the rebound, we push the tempo and have a chance at a far more efficient shot. Yes, Curry/CJ/Morrow played well, but there was nothing that CJ or Morrow did that Monta would not have done.
There is a lot Hunter and Andris did that Andris + George or Andris + Tolliver could not do, which was to defend the paint and penetration…and GET THE REBOUND SO WE CAN PUSH IT!
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for some reason Woodson decided to keep feeding Smith during the run & Biedrins (w/ help from the guards) was able to hold down Smith while they ignored Horford & Joe Johnson.
Haha, Yeah that even pissed off Barnet.
Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Feb 22, 2010 2:46 PM PST up reply actions
I could not agree more with Monta’s pathetic enthusiasm for the team when he is on the bench
The point of him being on the bench is to rest, not to entertain you.
Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Feb 22, 2010 10:12 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
And that's not the point of his comment
by Reverend_Randy on Feb 22, 2010 8:14 PM PST up reply actions
And that's not the point of his comment
wasn’t he bitchy cause Montay wasn’t up cheering instead of resting?
Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Feb 22, 2010 9:06 PM PST up reply actions
This was our 3rd win from down at least 18?
Which were the others? They slip my mind right now..
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by JustSomeName on Feb 22, 2010 10:55 AM PST up reply actions
Well...
When you’re down by 20 rather often and you’re a team that gets hot every now and then offensively, you’ll pull out a few comebacks.
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by Dubs fan in Boston on Feb 22, 2010 1:14 PM PST up reply actions
I think the Comeback
is cause by Jamal Crawford. He love GS so much and the fans he pull out a technical foul, you don’t see that often with Jamal Crawfish, He didn’t make any 4pt play, that we are use to watch him do it most of the season last year. He did not make any clutch three, He did not score 50 pts against us. Thanks Crawford and good luck to your team.
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Hey Atma
Did you watch the game or did you just read the box score? Be honest.
I’ll be honest: I was switching back and forth between W’s/Hawks and USA/Canada hockey game. But here’s what I saw…
Andris Biedrins was the best player on the court yesterday. He was simply outstanding on the defensive end. I know you don’t care b/c Horford’s line looks better, but this match-up was much closer than you make it out to be.
Nellie’s decisions to go bigger in the 4th and keep Monta on the bench until the 5 Min mark were very smart. I criticize him all the time, but yesterday was his best coaching job of the season. I mean, it only took Nellie 3.5 years to go big in crunch time, so at this rate, he’ll probably go big again sometime in the 2014 season. Of course, it helped that Hunter was effective.
It really is amazing what happens on the defensive end when Monta comes back into the game rested and with something to prove. He was excellent late in the game.
The Hawks fell apart. I wasn’t even sure what their offensive strategy was in the 4th quarter. Isolate JJ? Let JC rain in 3s? Pound the ball inside to Horford? Nothing was really working because of the type of team Nellie had on the court. Yes, some real in-game coaching and strategy!!
Did you watch the game or did you just read the box score? Be honest.
I watched the whole game.
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by Atma Brother ONE on Feb 22, 2010 11:46 AM PST up reply actions
Andris Biedrins was the best player on the court
dont know about that one…sure he was good on d but there was no way u can say he was better than curry, josh smith, joe johnson, or even al horford
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Andris Biedrins was the best player on the court yesterday.
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by Reverend_Randy on Feb 22, 2010 8:15 PM PST up reply actions
Whether you agree or not, that’s fine. Clearly, he is not the best player. But last night, his defensive presence was simply overwhelming in the 4th quarter. Maybe it was Nellie going big. Maybe it was Nellie benching Monta for much of the 4th. Maybe Andris is finally 100% healthy and returning to form. But whatever it was, Biedrins was a one-man wrecking crew on that end. And keep in mind he still doesn’t get much help, so put extra emphasis on the “one man” part of wrecking crew.
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Didn’t Isiah Thomas lead the league in turnovers during his rookie year?
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by Precise Films Productions on Feb 22, 2010 11:48 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
Yup. 4.4 per game, worst in the league. He was always in the Top 5 in this respect, and often Top 2.
Unlike Curry and Monta, though, he was also always Top 7 in assists (and twice #1).
Of course, shameless Curry fanboy that I am, I have to point out that Curry’s current .566 true shooting percentage is 10 points better than Isiah’s career high, and 50 points better than his career average…
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by Sleepy Freud on Feb 22, 2010 12:04 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Somebody really, really loves them som TS%
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by Dubs fan in Boston on Feb 22, 2010 1:14 PM PST up reply actions
You gotta admit...
it’s a pretty stinkin’ convenient metric. You get a good sense of overall efficiency without having to look closely at FG%, 3pt%, FT%, FGA, 3pA, and FTA. All you have to look at is scoring volume and TS% to get a pretty good read on a players scoring ability. It obviously doesn’t tell the whole story, but it tells the important part. If a guy can score at a high volume with a high TS% then he is good, whether he is getting to the line, playing in the post, or launching threes. It’s one of the few advanced metrics I actually use regularly.
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by olympicmike on Feb 22, 2010 2:00 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
I said nothing to disparage or laud the metric
Only that Sleepy really, really likes it.
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by Dubs fan in Boston on Feb 22, 2010 5:03 PM PST up reply actions
You said “somebody.” You meant me? Why you little…
OK, I admit. I love the clarity and purity of it.
In the case of Curry, though, it’ s more a situation where I love the player’s game, and love the fact that my love of his game is (increasingly) supported by TS%…
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by Sleepy Freud on Feb 22, 2010 8:12 PM PST up reply actions
Oh, I know...
I guess I just felt like coming clean about my own TS% love affair. ;-)
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by olympicmike on Feb 22, 2010 10:12 PM PST up reply actions
I loved
seeing majority of our injured players at the bench supporting the team – finally!
Agree
During the Jazz game I saw Bell coaching Morrow during a timeout and had to say AMEN!
Those guys are providing a moral and mental lift to the team that was missing pre-All Star break.
by warriorsvictim on Feb 22, 2010 2:32 PM PST up reply actions
If the team keeps the roster as is
We look pretty damn good next year. Some savvy vets with a combination of talented youngsters just gives me a good feeling.
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Maggette hamstring injury will keep him out through end of Warriors East Coast road trip — March 8
Wow, a month out….darn.
We need to get his trade value up by the end of the year so we can unload him in the summer.
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We won't get anything for him anyway
Best we can get is an expiring deal. Maybe a late first round pick (26-30). Maybe Nola would take him for Mo Pete. Thats the best thing I can think of unless we throw in AR
Rookie: "Why did you bench me?"
Nellie: "You're a rookie"
I think maybe a Maggette Elliis deal to a team who loses out on Lebron, and Wade would be ideal.
banned like chris andersen
Pretty interesting idea, actually… you make a good point that at least a couple teams will want to trade for talent for the sake of their spurned fanbases. Gonna be quite a summer.
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Depends on the team
The Knicks will get someone regardless, Nets may as well and even if they didn’t they still have tons of room for next offseason. What team do you think would do a deal for Ellis going into next year?
Rookie: "Why did you bench me?"
Nellie: "You're a rookie"
When you say someone regardless, do you mean a player worthy of their capspace, or just people being overpaid to fill the cap space. Lets say Miami gets no-one noteworthy, and they feel adding Ellis and Maggette would be better than overpaying for Rudy Gay or David Lee.
Or the Clippers. I doubt they attract anyone with Sperling as their owner. Maybe they think they can rekindle some of BD’s luster with Ellis next to him again with a Sperling favorite in Maggette.
I don’t know. All i know is, there are 3 max worthy players on this market, and only 3 teams(at most) will use their cap space on someone like LBJ, Wade, or Bosh.
Monta in a reduced role + Maggette at 20 million, > JJ, Gay, Lee at 14-15 million.
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NYK will give a max deal
No way they don’t. Doesn’t matter if thats Amare, Bosh, lBJ etc. I doubt the Clips would want either of them. They like EG and would not want Maggs back. But you know what I mean, I know your not just talking about them. Also Miami will probably keep Wade and then get one of the 4 bigs this offseason cause Wade can attract players.
Rookie: "Why did you bench me?"
Nellie: "You're a rookie"
Nooooo, the tank brigade is losing a wheel :(
So let me get this straight... Maggette is the healthy guy.
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by Badly Browned on Feb 22, 2010 7:40 PM PST up reply actions
Please don't get him started
I hope I have some time over the next days to take a deeper look into some of the games Biedrins got “destroyed” by the opposing center (like this game).
My suspicion is that a lot of points of the opponents center’s don’t come against Biedrins directly. The defensive schemes tend to carry Biedrins away from the centers.
At least in the first quarter (watching it right now) Horford-Biedrins was no problem at all.
If I can verify this theory it would be a good explanation for this disparages given the fact that Biedrins isn’t really option nr. 1 in the offence.
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