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If the Warriors Were Healthy?(An Offensive Talent Assessment)

 

 

Starting Lineup

 

Andris Biedrins C

Anthony Randolph PF

Corey Maggette SF

Monta Ellis SG

Stephen Curry PG

Ronny Turiaf C

Brandan Wright PF

Kelenna Azubuike SF

Anthony Morrow SG

C.J. Watson PG

Vladamir Radmanovic SF

Chris Hunter C

 

These are the players that I will evaluate as being part of a “healthy” Golden State Warriors team. I am excluding Tolliver, George, and Bell. I understand Bell may be with the team next year, but it would be very difficult to evaluate his ability since he has not played very much this year and I am unsure what his role will be if he stays in Oakland. George was really only acquired as an expiring contract. Tolliver has had some impressive games this year but I am hard pressed to see him getting any minutes on a healthy Warriors squad.

 

 Note:  This is not an end all projection and I understand it is flawed but it is the most sound logic that I can back up with some semblance of numerical analysis.

 

I am evaluating the offense based on the idea that the Warriors will average approximately 85 to 86 shots taken per game. This is based off of this year's team average for the season, and a historic team average when playing under Don Nelson. I distribute 241 based on this years average for total minutes played per game for the team. The minutes distributed will be “perfect world” minutes based on the team being completely healthy for one entire year. I understand that through the course of any basketball season players will miss a few games and this will inflate the minutes of certain players that come off the bench, as well as starters that have good stamina.

 

Biedrins 27 MPG at Center

Turiaf 18 MPG at Center 3 MPG at Power Forward

Hunter 3 MPG at Center 2 MPG at Power Forward

Randolph 25 MPG at Power Forward

Wright 16 MPG at Power Forward

Maggette 25 MPG at Shooting Forward 3 MPG at Power Forward

Azubuike 20 MPG at Shooting Forward 3 MPG at Shooting Guard

Vladimir Radmonovic 1 MPG at Shooting Forward

Ellis 30 MPG at Shooting Guard 7 MPG at Point Guard

Morrow 12 MPG at Shooting Guard 2 MPG at Shooting Forward

Curry 32 MPG at Point Guard

C.J. Watson 9 MPG at Point Guard 3 MPG at Shooting Guard

 

Now based on these minutes I will calculate how many shots each player will take on average per game using basketball reference.

 

Biedrins 6.6 FGA per game (based on career averages)

Randolph 9.86 (based on career averages)

Maggette 11.41 (based on career average)

Ellis 19.7 (based on this year's average)

Curry 11.37 (based on this year's average)

Azubuike 7.98 (based on career average)

Turiaf 4.2 (based on career average)

Wright 5.3 (based on career average)

Morrow 4.7 (based on career average)

C.J. Watson 3.4 (based on career average)

Hunter 1.3 (based on this year)

Radmonovic .32 (based on career average)

 

All of this adds up to 86.14 which is close to the amount of shots taken per game this year, and almost identical to the 2008-2009 average of 86.03

 

Biedrins 9.15 PPG

Randolph 11.7 PPG

Maggette 16.91 PPG (would be 18.26 based on this year's level of efficiency, but I highly doubt Maggette could keep that number up.)

Ellis 23.0 PPG

Curry 13.68 PPG

Azibuike 9.96 PPG

Turiaf 6.475 PPG

Wright 7.11 PPG

Morrow 6.06 PPG

Watson 4.46 PPG

Hunter 1.57 PPG

Radmanovic .37 PPG

 

When I add up the total points per game the total average number of points scored per game would be 110.45. The current Warriors team has given up an average of 110.8 points per game. The 2008-2009 team gave up 112.3 points per game. If I were to average the last two seasons together then the warriors would give up 111.55.

 

If the Warriors this year scored at the same efficiency that would theoretically give them 110.45 PPG on 86.15 field goals attempted per game on the same amount of shots (85.37) they have taken this year their per game average of points per game would be 109.45.

 

Note:  If Maggette did keep this year's efficiency up the total points scored by the Warriors would be 111.8. (( Prorated to the amount of shots the Warriors have attempted this year the total would be 110.78))

 

This means that if the Warriors were completely healthy they would probably only be slightly below .500. If a healthy Warriors team were to play there is a considerably good chance that they would be able to hold opponents to less than 110.45 points per game. For instance the 48-34 Warriors team from 2007-2008 held opponents to 108.8 points per game.

 

The offensive production could also be improved on a healthy Warriors team if current trends continue, with the young core of Curry and Randolph becoming more efficient scorers as they become more experienced.

 

One glaring deficiency with the Warriors offense is Ellis's inefficiency. Clearly there this could be because of a lack of talent surrounding Ellis on the current Warrior roster. It could be true that if it were others that were taking Ellis's excess shots they would be just as inefficient or even more inefficient than Monta. With a fully healthy team filled with scorers like Azubuike and Randolph Ellis would probably not take as many bad shots and therefore improve his efficiency.

 

Also as Curry continues to be comfortable in the PG role, it is possible that Ellis will play off the ball more often. If one looks at the 2007-2008 Warriors team Monta was a much more efficient scorer. Also if one watches the Warriors it is clear that every bit of Monta'a athleticism has returned after his major injury. If Monta were to return to his 2007-2008 playing style adding his new and improved 3 point accuracy Monta would score 22.03 points on 16.7 shots in 37 minutes played. He would give up 3 shots but only lose 1 PPG. Monta very well could put up these numbers given as he has been over played this season and fatigue may very well be playing into his lack of efficiency. If these three shots were given to Curry and Curry maintained 75% of his efficiency on those shots the team would increase their total points averaged per game to 112.18. I understand 112.18 points per game is a perfect world projection, but it isn't much of a stretch if you consider all the young players on the team

 

With Curry's emergence as a NBA point guard with excellent court vision it wouldn't be a stretch to say that in the future the Warrior bigs like Turiaf, Biedrins, Randolph and Wright might get more easy buckets due to assists. It is not unreasonable in my opinion for the current Warriors team to score 113-114 points per game if they stay completely healthy.

 

So the current group of Warriors has potential to be a playoff team as long as they stay healthy. Without an efficient low post scorer, and a defensive presence down low I don't see the Warriors becoming a Championship type team. To complicate matters with the Warriors current style of play they need to get an efficient low post scorer with good low post defense that can also run the floor extremely well. These players are generally extremely hard to find and extremely expensive to sign or acquire.

 

The Warriors need to develop a winning culture with what they have in order to attract the type of player they need, or they need to continue to play badly and wait to get lucky in the draft.  A big name player with an expiring contract or a big time free agent needs to know that the Warriors are stable and competitive before they will sign with the team.

 

The other option is as many on this site has suggested is to get rid of Nelson and his small ball, trade Maggette and Ellis and start from scratch centering the team around Curry. In my opinion the Warriors need to build on what they have and not throw their players away simply to dump their contracts.  Trading away talent has been a major problem for many years for this organization.

 

Now is not the time to panic the Warriors already have a high level of talent and will only improve due to the 2010 draft. The Warriors have had 8 players available most of the year even if the warriors were healthy this year they probably would have still been slightly below .500, and they would not have been in good draft position. Curry is currently getting tons of playing time, and is developing nicely. It is possible that without this losing season Curry would have not been able to show the team and the fans what he is truly capable of.

 

For my final example I am going to project Anthony Randolph's offense at only 15% increased efficiency. The Warriors would score a total of 3.67 more points per game on the same amount of shots(assuming he plays only 27 minutes per night.) I believe Randolph is completely capable of reaching this mark as well as also improving other aspects of his game given as if he is only 20 years old at the moment.

 

So the future actually could be very bright for the Warriors. This depends entirely on the front office. Not necessarily who the front office trades or does not trade, but on the restraint the front office shows in not trading away the most important parts of what could be a very good Warriors team.

This FanPost is a submission from a member of the mighty Golden State of Mind community. While we're all here to throw up that W, these words do not necessarily reflect the views of the GSoM Crew. Still, chances are the preceding post is Unstoppable Baby!

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i think we would have the best chance to win..

if we started wright at the 4 with either randolph or azubuike starting at the 3. wih maggette and morrow comming off the bench with real ammo along with either bukie or randolph.

by dez4o8 on Feb 22, 2010 2:58 AM PST reply actions  

want Buke back.

Next year will probably be his last season in the Bay.

Thing B

by warriorsscore110 on Feb 22, 2010 12:27 PM PST up reply actions  

why?

 cause we develop them then run them off when they get useful, that’s the Warriors way.

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by Skeptic con Urquell on Feb 22, 2010 3:09 PM PST up reply actions  

He’ll go play for the Orlando Magic.

by samuraaaaiiiiiii on Feb 22, 2010 5:03 PM PST up reply actions  

He’ll go play for the Orlando Magic.

 I would

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by Skeptic con Urquell on Feb 22, 2010 7:55 PM PST up reply actions  

+1
Especially if i get a 3 year contract.

banned like chris andersen

by MDB on Feb 22, 2010 8:11 PM PST up reply actions  

Especially if i get a 3 year contract.

  Hell,Id even pay them to take me.

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by Skeptic con Urquell on Feb 22, 2010 8:24 PM PST up reply actions  

Yep I always thought this season is sorta a blessing in disguise

I’m pretty happy our season turned out like this. I didn’t renew last season because I sorta knew the season would end up like this. Also, we got to evaluate how our “high paid” players actually play without a full lineup and getting extensive PT. We got to see what their deficiencies are and what kind of lineup would make us better… small ball doesn’t work.
Curry – we got to see what he was really made of and THIS is the BEST thing that could have ever happened for this franchise. We unleashed a beast in Curry and he’s going to have a very bright future in the NBA. He really is the next Steve Nash period – we’re lucky.
Monta – has added a 3 pt shot that will only get better. He now knows he has help with Curry and others and that he should be the SG and not PG. He has started to give the ball to Curry to run the plays which is a good sign. I’m sure he’s heard enough people tell him that he needs to play team ball and he’s started to show improvement ever since that knee injury.
Maggette – Nellie now knows that Maggette plays way better at SF and is probably close to top 5 in the league at that position. He’s not a PF and will get beat up if he keeps playing there.
Morrow – He’s a threat from anywhere on the floor and can spread the floor whenever he’s on the floor. He has much more to offer than last season and is getting better at every aspect of the game. His game will only expand as the season goes on and will be a hot commodity in the league for years to come.
Randolph – It’s a shame to see him fall as he was showing some great improvement on his game. The league and us fans know he has tremendous upside so we’ll just have to be patient with him. Think of Andrew Bynum.
Lotto Balls – IMO we are the best bad team in the league =) and are lucky to be in this position to grab a talented draft pick. If we somehow grab the 1st, 2nd, or 3rd pick we’ll have the last laugh because we know we have one of the deepest teams in the league when healthy.
Cheers to next season!

by bojangles408 on Feb 22, 2010 9:35 AM PST reply actions  

Deep

Is the word to describe this team.

The Warriors have the best bench in the league.

by WheresMyChippy on Feb 22, 2010 10:33 AM PST up reply actions  

The Warriors have the best bench in the league.

Now if only we had a good starting 5.

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by qin on Feb 23, 2010 2:10 PM PST up reply actions  

The Warriors have the best bench in the league.

 Now if we only had some quality reserves to sit on it?

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by Skeptic con Urquell on Feb 23, 2010 3:41 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

/rimshot/

Actually, we do have quality reserves to sit on it. Problem is they’re all in street clothes. :,-(

I gave you a rec anyway for the restaurant-quality one-liner. ;-)

There will be no extra point!

by Sleepy Freud on Feb 23, 2010 6:36 PM PST up reply actions  

I gave you a rec anyway for the restaurant-quality one-liner. ;-)

  Huh? 2 all beef patties, special sauce, lettuce, cheese, pickle,onions, on a sesame seed bun??

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by Skeptic con Urquell on Feb 24, 2010 11:27 AM PST up reply actions  

+1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10....Yessireeeee.....

YUP! yup! yup! Like a broken record, I’ve been saying it so many times this roster have plenty of talents. Enough with the trades (unless of course something truly viable comes up, WHO WILL REALLY MAKE A BIG DIFFERENCE) but until then, let’s wait for the majority of our players to get healthy, let them mold together, assess the situation and then determine if something is lacking. This roster is very, very capable. They can play with anyone in the NBA. But when you run out of gas, it doesn’t matter how powerful the engine is, it will crawl to a stop.

by nightroddude on Feb 22, 2010 5:20 PM PST up reply actions  

Well the "smart" warrior fans want both W/L

If we go .500 the rest of the season we’ll all benefit pretty well. Nelly will get his record and maybe start to put out a conventional lineup onward and we’ll still get a pretty good pick while pleasing the fans with some wins. Let’s just hope the sucky teams get some wins too… Root for Minny and Jersey shore woooooo!!! Fist pumpin all day!

by bojangles408 on Feb 22, 2010 10:59 AM PST up reply actions  

You forgot Bell

That makes us even deeper, maybe next year will be healthy…..

Rookie: "Why did you bench me?"
Nellie: "You're a rookie"

by dubzfan on Feb 22, 2010 10:21 AM PST reply actions  

Bell isn’t that great. What makes you think a old guy like him coming off injury will suddenly bounce back ? I need to see him at the end of the season before i judge him.

banned like chris andersen

by MDB on Feb 22, 2010 4:42 PM PST up reply actions  

Not saying he is great

But just adds 1 more guy for us on defense and adds a veteran guy on the team. I never said he will suddenly bounce back, I just said it makes us deeper

Rookie: "Why did you bench me?"
Nellie: "You're a rookie"

by dubzfan on Feb 22, 2010 5:25 PM PST up reply actions  

I agree he is a nice player to have on a team of defensive losers, but unless he can get a KG like response from his peers, it isn’t going to work out as well as we’d like.

banned like chris andersen

by MDB on Feb 22, 2010 5:42 PM PST up reply actions  

Not so fast Kelenna...

If I’m the Warriors I would consider cutting ties with Kelenna if Raja Bell can be resigned, Bookie, has been a good player but he’s coming off that devastating knee injury and who knows how much he’s lost because of it…the guy needs to be at full potential just to compete in the NBA, he barely made it into the league fully healthy…he may be under contract anyway though?

by Brothaplease09 on Feb 22, 2010 11:30 AM PST reply actions  

If Brandan Wright stayed healthy this year

I wonder if how good or bad he would have gotten. Maybe he would be a surprise if he stayed healthy.

Same with Azubuike, he was such an efficient three point shooter last season (2nd in the league in 3pt% till the last game when he dropped to 4th). I wonder if his scoring would have improved, giving the Warriors another offensive threat to add to their aresenal.

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by Precise Films Productions on Feb 22, 2010 11:52 AM PST reply actions  

Randolph's has a 52% TS%

If he were to improve 15%, that would take him to a 60% TS%, which would put him among the league leaders. It’s all well and good to hope and expect that he’ll get better, but a 15% jump is pretty steep.

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-randolphforpresident

by Dubs fan in Boston on Feb 22, 2010 1:28 PM PST reply actions  

That is assuming that all of his improved efficiency comes from improving his field goal percentage

I think he will improve the amount of time he goes to the line. I was just looking at it as improving his overall career points scored with respect to his field goals taken. I was just saying that he could very well score 19.45 points on 14.2 field goals. With the ability to draw 9 fouls a game. Even with Randolph’s FTs remaining the same that would leave him with a .581 TS% that is not out of the question for someone of his talent. I would expect at least a .54-58 range for his TS%

by brutusbrutus on Feb 22, 2010 5:44 PM PST up reply actions  

TS% is the definition of offensive efficiency. Is a 80 point improvement in TS% “out of the question?” No. However, expecting him to become one of the league’s most efficient scorers when he isn’t one now, and hasn’t shown the ability to be one ever, is not realistic. You can hope, and his ceiling is pretty high, but let’s not expect that. Might as well talk about how Monta can get his TS% back to 58% while keeping up his FG volume. Not bloody likely.

And you do know the difference between 0.54 and 0.58 is HUGE, right?

Trust me, learning english isn’t a waste of time. It is actually sort of useful.

-randolphforpresident

by Dubs fan in Boston on Feb 24, 2010 11:43 AM PST up reply actions  

TS% is the definition of offensive efficiency.

Well, I think that’s a little strong, as the possessions part of the equation is still just an estimate based on historical averages….

But yeah, TS% is awesome!

by Missing Barry on Feb 24, 2010 12:36 PM PST up reply actions  

Well, AR's TS% went up "20 points" this season

someone as raw as him has a long way to go. “80 points” is probably ridiculous, but I don’t think it’s out of the question for it to get to 56%, or maybe higher.

by Reverend_Randy on Feb 24, 2010 3:29 PM PST up reply actions  

Now, take this with a grain of salt, I have no actual evidence to back it up, but it seems to me (based on all the looking through stats I do to back up arguments I make around here) that TS% tends to be one of those things players do tend to dramatically improve on the first few years in their career, unlike something like rebound rate where guys tend to stay pretty consistent and show their ability from the beginning…

by Missing Barry on Feb 24, 2010 8:09 PM PST up reply actions  

TS% tends to be one of those things players do tend to dramatically improve on the first few years in their career, unlike something like rebound rate where guys tend to stay pretty consistent and show their ability from the beginning…

 probably depends on what the player wants to improve on? Wilt decided he wanted to lead the league in assists so he went out and did it.

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by Skeptic con Urquell on Feb 24, 2010 8:46 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah

I was looking at some other big men stats and they all greatly improved their TS% after a few years. KG took about 4 years to get up to his career marks. Good thing is that Randolph is already a really good FT shooter, and pretty good at getting to the line.

by Reverend_Randy on Feb 25, 2010 5:48 PM PST up reply actions  

anthony randolph

is going to the a superstar in this league. if we dont trade him we will be right up there with the thunder

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by iStoner on Feb 22, 2010 1:31 PM PST reply actions  

So the “Randolph will be a superstar” bandwagon hasn’t completely died, after all!

by Missing Barry on Feb 23, 2010 10:14 AM PST up reply actions  

It should have

I’m sorry, but I just can’t envision Randolph ever having a superstar mentality for any extended period of time. For the one reason that he does most things well, but he is not dominant at anything. Every superstar has one thing that they use to dominate, and I may be wrong but Randolph, while solid in most areas of the game, does not have one thing he can do best every night out.

by LakerFan24 on Feb 23, 2010 4:04 PM PST up reply actions  

but he is not dominant at anything.

  He pretty good at flying thru the air and smashing into things then landing on the floor in a heap?

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by Skeptic con Urquell on Feb 23, 2010 4:17 PM PST up reply actions  

Why should a superstar have to dominate in one aspect? If you’re doing an equal amount of things to help your team win, whether it’s spread throughout every aspect of basketball or concentrated in one area….you’re doing an equal amount of things to help your team win. I also tend to shy away from observations on if a guy has the “it” factor. I mean….what is a superstar mentality, exactly? Do you have evidence that it exists, actually significantly changes something related to winning, and that individual players do or don’t have it?

My main observation is that it’s kind of funny to me – it seems the Randolph bandwagon that was full in sumertime has now all moved on to the Curry bandwagon. And of course, I’m skeptical as always. ;)

by Missing Barry on Feb 23, 2010 4:54 PM PST up reply actions  

it seems the Randolph bandwagon that was full in sumertime has now all moved on to the Curry bandwagon.

and they’re looking up the schedule of the Turner bandwagon as we speak.

Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.

by Skeptic con Urquell on Feb 23, 2010 5:13 PM PST up reply actions  

A superstar mentality

To me is realizing when your team needs you to take over and dominate a game, and knowing how to do so. A perfect example of this is LeBron. Remember a few years ago in the playoffs against Detroit, when he saw his team was in trouble and scored 25 points in a row? That’s what I’m talking about. Chauncey Billups always knows when his team needs him to make a play, and he usually delivers. Same thing for Duncan, and all these guys make plays on both ends of the court. As far as the first part of your question, I feel a superstar has to dominate in one particular aspect because being that dominant is what makes you unstoppable. Think LeBron and his ability to penetrate, Duncan’s fundamental post game and rebounding, or Dwight Howard’s defense. These things make these guys superstars because they have something that nobody in the league can stop no matter what they try.

by LakerFan24 on Feb 26, 2010 9:50 AM PST up reply actions  

Great Post

I agree with almost every thing written in this post. Curious do you guys see DeMarcus Cousins becoming that post defender and low post presence that we sorely need. I don’t know too much about him, but I don’t see him keeping up with the run and gun style we adhere to.

by warriorsnut on Feb 22, 2010 1:35 PM PST reply actions  

I think he could be succesful in the run-n-gun offense

He would definitely be a center for the Warriors, but he has better skills than many centers (maybe even most centers) have in the NBA. His post game is very good for a 19 year old, and he has a jumper all the way out to 20 feet, which would be perfect for a center on the Warriors. I know that this is a high school clip, but it looks to me like he is more than capable of fitting in the run-n-gun system, maybe even runs better than Biedrins and Turiaf.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b-yCp9I85aE

by duballers23 on Feb 22, 2010 4:59 PM PST up reply actions  

No way he moves better than Beans

He maybe able to hit the shots for a fast system but I doubt he is fast enough. He isn’t the most athletic guy although he is a physical freak. To answer warriorsnut’s question I think on offense he will be very good but I question his NBA defense cause sometimes he won’t go all out and will just not give an effort. I think he’s very similar to Al Jefferson with a riskier attitude

Rookie: "Why did you bench me?"
Nellie: "You're a rookie"

by dubzfan on Feb 22, 2010 5:27 PM PST up reply actions  

I still don’t see the need for a C to be able to run well to be a running team. The C is rarely involved in fast breaks or even a big part of secondary breaks anyways…..

by Missing Barry on Feb 23, 2010 10:15 AM PST up reply actions  

Good point Barry...but...we will never truly breakout without some power...

A beast at the low post with limited min mixed/combined with AB would be the difference with many of the teams we always lose to…someone who could also come out to the high post and play PF when called for….

by Only In Fairfax on Feb 23, 2010 4:18 PM PST up reply actions  

....similiar to Al Jefferson with a riskier attitude.....

Sounds a bit draftexpress there(who finally has begun to update from last April) but I would say a bigger tougher Al Jefferson with more passion and skills…..not as speedy down the court as Beans—who I like alot—- but a more dominate presence once he gets there and when I look at Jeffersons stats I am thinking you would like that in a taller version on our team……..if not I certainly would…

by Only In Fairfax on Feb 25, 2010 1:13 PM PST up reply actions  

We need superior low post help critically...cannot get it in a trade....we should draft it...

Since we will probably not have a shot at Wall or Turner….Cousins is the best per min college player out there and he is a 19 yr old frosh…..he will be an all star but will be a project for the 1rst 3 years…but…if we do not grab him this year we will be on this site p……g and moaning about the mystery of why we can seem to trade for an all star low post all star beast……….Cousins is a bigger, stronger more skilled version of DeJuan Blair…….also an interesting comparison would be…..if he stayed in college for 3 more years under good coaching and then compare him to Tim Duncan as a senior………

by Only In Fairfax on Feb 23, 2010 4:13 PM PST up reply actions  

.if he stayed in college for 3 more years under good coaching and then compare him to Tim Duncan as a senior………

I’ve heard this before, but I can’t buy it. Tim Duncan was NBA ready at 16. He stayed in college to actually complete his education, and not to improve his draft stock.

by Reverend_Randy on Feb 23, 2010 6:00 PM PST up reply actions  

You are right about that..I would agree. Duncan could have left for the NBA early.

I was basically making the point that Cousins is the closest thing that to a francise big since since superman and Duncan…but I am sure a lot of people here would argue against that…..I have been so convinced of that since we were killed by Utah in the playoffs and as much as I had hope that Wright could be it …..well….we need a stronger force than that and we will not get it in a trade it seems…

by Only In Fairfax on Feb 24, 2010 10:17 AM PST up reply actions  

tl;dr

The Warriors suck. The coach is uninterested, there is no commitment to defense, and the guys who are injured aren’t saviors by any stretch of the imagination. This team, 100% healthy, is more of the same collection of “mediocre” players that only serve to prevent us from getting a high draft pick. Even our “all star” Monta Ellis is a mediocre player by many advanced statistical metrics.

Blow up this team. Keep Curry.

by GameSix on Feb 22, 2010 1:48 PM PST reply actions  

I myself have found Nelson's coaching practices to be problematic

but the Warriors offensive talent is still very good. On the defensive end I see their struggles as more of part and parcel to Nelson’s strategy of playing small. The Warriors get out muscled all the time. I see some of the defenders over reaching often as more of a strategy to create more points.

Obviously the current style of play won’t bring any championships because the Warriors will always be out matched by teams like the current San Antonio, Utah, and the Lakers, as they can essentially just beat the warriors up with their size.

With that being said lets roll back the clock. The Warriors lost a lot of key components to a team that seemed to be on the up and up in the West. The Warriors did not get the same talent back. When the Warriors lost Davis they lost a guy who could really move the ball well and create for others. Clearly he wasn’t and definitely still isn’t the most efficient scorer, but he made up for that in his ability to get the offense going through the point. In response we picked up Maggette, an effective and efficient offensive player(much more so than Davis.) Maggette however does not create the kind of ball movement that Davis did and we lost our team cohesion.

It isn’t that Maggette is “bad” it is that he was the wrong kind of player to pick up in response to losing Davis.

Now with Curry we finally have someone who can create efficient scoring of others. We can’t let players go and then replace them with. Offense is not about individual numbers but what your team can do with the amount of shots that they get. The Warriors have some players who have the potential to be offensive powerhouses not in the sense that they put up 30 PPG but because there are enough players that score efficiently within the structure of 85 shots per night that we have the potential to on a somewhat consistent basis to outscore opponents with the roster that we have now.

In the end lets say Maggette’s contract expires as well as some expiring contracts, and we are in the free agent market. We will probably be in the position to put a young player or effective cheap veteran in Maggette’s place and pick up an efficient low post scorer that can run the floor, but we are only an effective option if we have already established that we are at least somewhat of a contender of a team.

by brutusbrutus on Feb 22, 2010 3:56 PM PST reply actions  

Don't count on having one of the top 3 picks

Remember three or 4 seasons ago when the draft looked to be only 6 quality players deep, the Warrriors had the ninth pick and only two teams ahead of them screwed up and the last quality player (Rudy Gay) was picked just one pick before the W’s?

Much as I have my fingers crossed, think about this: The Warriors are playing .600 ball (granted 5 games is a small sample size). If they play .500 ball the rest of this season, they could catch and pass as many as 7 other teams, giving them the 10th pick. Real long odds to move into the top 3 from there.

I don’t have a problem with it though. The way I see it, there are 3 guys who would be almost instant starters: Wall, Turner and Cousins, and three more who fit their needs who would be rotation players right away: Johnson, Aldrich and Patrick Patterson. And several more who would be terrific additions to the rotation within 2 seasons.

Sorry for jumping the gun on this analysis, but I REALLY want the team to jell NOW and give me two months of pleasure. I don’t think I need to agonize this season like I did when the W’s had no one available who was clearly better to draft than Patrick O’Bryant.

by breaker on Feb 22, 2010 5:57 PM PST reply actions  

I think there will be some good talent in the latter parts of this draft

but it will be raw talent that won’t be able to make an immediate impact like Curry has this year. I almost hope the Warriors don’t get pick No. 1 because of the immense pressure to draft Wall, who will undoubtedly be a star down the road, but his immediate impact would probably be less than Monta, we don’t need three undersized scoring guards on this team. Montiejunas seems like an intriguing pick that we would have to slowly develop into the player we want, he might slip to 10 or 11. Stanley Robinson, Elias Harris, and Larry Sanders seem to be interesting prospects that might turn out to be good role players in the NBA.

by brutusbrutus on Feb 22, 2010 6:49 PM PST up reply actions  

I'd toss in two more bigs to consider

Jan Vesely and Epke Udoh, size-guys that could very well be what the doctor ordered in a couple years.

by breaker on Feb 23, 2010 9:40 AM PST up reply actions  

The Warriors are playing .600 ball (granted 5 games is a small sample size). If they play .500 ball the rest of this season, they could catch and pass as many as 7 other teams,

  My newspaper sez we’re playin .271 ball, 2 games ahead of Sacto and 3 games behind Minny in the lotto ball derby. We’d be frickin idiots to try and win more than sacto from here on out and we’d even be mildly irritating if we don’t lose more than minny. Doesn’t anyone understand the odds and the rewards?

Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.

by Skeptic con Urquell on Feb 22, 2010 8:08 PM PST reply actions  

Maggette is out for a few weeks, the Tank brigade just lost it’s cornerstone player :(

So let me get this straight... Maggette is the healthy guy.
"Winning is not enough. All others must lose." - Larry Ellison

by Badly Browned on Feb 22, 2010 8:17 PM PST up reply actions  

the Tank brigade just lost it’s cornerstone player :(

  I guess now we’ll see how smart the remaining players really are? Hope some of them passed basic math :>)

Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.

by Skeptic con Urquell on Feb 22, 2010 8:25 PM PST up reply actions  

Yet somehow they ended up with the best rookie, how ironic.

god helps those who help themselves?

Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.

by Skeptic con Urquell on Feb 23, 2010 4:19 PM PST up reply actions  

+1 Skeptic.....anyway even if we fall to 5 thru 7 picks there are some bigs to be had this year

When looking at AB ,Turiaf, AR + Wright + injuries it would not hurt to have a strong drafted big come on board for little competion…but I would like it to be someone a bit different in stature/body than our current tall lightweight crew for some balance …….next year we go for the SF (unless Turner is within reach)………….

by Only In Fairfax on Feb 23, 2010 4:30 PM PST up reply actions  

Lowest pick we can get 6th

I think our best percentage at any one number is 4th.

by Reverend_Randy on Feb 23, 2010 6:01 PM PST up reply actions  

Yet somehow they ended up with the best rookie

I thought Curry was on the Warriors…?!

by Missing Barry on Feb 23, 2010 4:55 PM PST up reply actions  

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