Jerry West, next Warriors GM?
by shahbazi3 on Feb 24, 2010 3:03 PM PST
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The Mercury is reporting that if Larry Ellison does in fact buy the Warriors, that he will name Jerry West as his GM. Apparently they met before when Ellison was thinking about buying the Lakers but then realized that he's no faker the bay is his home. What do you guys think about this? Jerry West was largely mediocre during his time as the Memphis Grizzlies GM, but he is the man that engineered the Kobe for Vlade trade, while we drafted Todd Fuller minutes earlier...
Now as much as I hate seeing a former Flaker take charge of my beloved Warriors, I would love to see someone who wants the franchise to succeed as the manager. We all have our problems with Cohan and Riley, and their cost effective wannabe moneyball scheme which has caused us nothing but misery and the departure of all the players we love. The fact of the matter is, I would love to see Jerry West as the GM of the Warriors, especially with Ellison as the owner. Reading about Ellison, it seems that he would have a Cuban-like effect on the franchise. He seems very driven and since he's filthy rich, he's not in it to make money as much as win rings BABY.
Also another thing discussed in the Mercury was the possibility of Ellison moving the franchise to San Francisco. This makes no difference to me, it would be essentially the same drive out, but I think the roaracle has a certain legend in Oakland. I would probably be opposed to this.
And since no fanpost is allowed without saying something about Monta, Monta Ellis.
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If he gets us winning..
i’m in. Would that lead to a new coach…….?
Please let this be true. I don’t even like Jerry West but I saw Larry Ellison’s yaht in the America’s Cup and all I could think was “CHAMPIONSHIP.”
As for moving the team to SF…why? Where is the arena they would play in? Certainly not the Cow Palace. They already play in an arena named after Ellison’s company, which also happens to be among the best basketball venues in the country.
Sittin in my scraper watchin Oakland goin wild, ta-dow!
Why SF?
Moving the DUBS back to San Francisco will give it recognition. Just like the GG bridge, Alcatraz, Niners and the Giants are all synonymous to San Francisco. It will give it tremendous appeal since San Francisco is world class (just like New York), ranked among the best in the world. And since San Francisco has also one of the premier real estate location in the world, when Mr. Ellison is ready to sell, he could use it as a negotiating advantage because of the location, location, location. If it is true that he’s really interested with the Dubs, the man is looking at the "whole" picture long term. He is a pierce competitor and a business man. Can you imagine what the atmosphere will be when we play the Mavericks? Ellison vs. Cuban… Dang! that will surely be something.
by nightroddude on Feb 24, 2010 5:13 PM PST up reply actions
Can you imagine what the atmosphere will be when we play the Mavericks? Ellison vs. Cuban… Dang! that will surely be something.
They should fight each other at halftime, for our entertainment.
by samuraaaaiiiiiii on Feb 24, 2010 5:39 PM PST up reply actions
Haha, the wonders of Google..
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on Feb 24, 2010 8:24 PM PST up reply actions
i must say
You are really great at googling
i say it as IMO pretty good googler too
WTF FTW!
by Lat We N Trash on Feb 24, 2010 11:32 PM PST up reply actions
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by LostHawkGSW on Feb 25, 2010 12:49 AM PST up reply actions
naw -i didn't said it because exactly this gif
Sleepy got extreme talent to find and post pictures or links which illustrate situations or opinions in unrarely unexpected ways + giving deeper background to general discussion as whole
while big part of googling talent component from what i’d call ‘brain motorics’ (generally good memory and quickly working association channels) it also requires good sense of context and ability to combine
googling is creative activity which less or more is accessible for most of the population but rarely you can find people who are able to do good quality googling on such a quick pace as Sleepy
WTF FTW!
by Lat We N Trash on Feb 25, 2010 2:45 AM PST up reply actions
Aw shucks ;-)
For the record, I put “commodus thumbs up” in the search box. Not only does the image relate to the idea of fighting for entertainment, but somehow Commodus always makes me think of Cuban (or vice versa).
“Extreme talent” is overstating it, but thanx Lat. For fun, he’s my favorite image on the first page of results under “Extreme Talent” …
Man, what I wouldn’t do for a Gremlin with Levi’s upholstery!
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on Feb 25, 2010 3:58 AM PST up reply actions
I can tell you're a film buff Sleep.
I’ve always admired West and already have a slight man crush on Larry Ellison even though I’ve never seen the man. Anyway, you talk about players not wanting to come here, not wanting to play for a loser, Jerry West demands immediate satisfaction from the creditability department. Or was that Bobby Rowell on the jersey logo?
ellison has the bigger company and bags the hotter chicks
Friend of mine once dated a former Ellison conquest and she was quite hot. Plus he gave her a fancy car (lamborghini I believe) to keep.
Friend of mine once dated a former Ellison conquest and she was quite hot.
was she hot before ellison, will he be able to do that to the dubs?
Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Feb 24, 2010 8:21 PM PST up reply actions
Moving the DUBS back to San Francisco will give it recognition
Yeah, from other fans, sure, but what tangible benefit actually comes from other fans knowing what city your team is located in?
by Missing Barry on Feb 24, 2010 8:22 PM PST up reply actions
Moving the DUBS back to San Francisco will give it recognition
But SF is just the sideshow of the Golden State, more real people live east of the bay than west of it.
Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Feb 24, 2010 8:34 PM PST up reply actions
Something tells me...
that Stern would prefer that the team were back in SF. I don’t want to get into a big discussion about Oakland’s reputation and whether or not it’s deserved, but having a team in SF is definitely more prestigious than having a team in Oakland.
Also, the whole “golden state” thing is more confusing to the average person than we basketball fans think. I’m not sure what the percentage is, but I think we’d be surprised to see how many people in the bay area don’t know what city the Warriors play in. Sure, most of those people would never come to a game, but it certainly hurts the brand to some degree.
"I could be chasing an untamed ornithoid without cause."
I see the prestige part, and trust me, over on the East Coast, almost nobody knows where they play – but again, my problem is I don’t see a substantial benefit in whether they know where we play or not. Maybe more people would go to a game in SF than Oakland for city reputation reasons, but then again, Oakland is more accessible to a larger population than SF is….
by Missing Barry on Feb 25, 2010 1:45 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah...
I agree with you. I just don’t know that moving a franchise has to be directly tied to attendance. I think it would be more about building the value and prestige of the Warriors brand moving forward. I’m sure it would be easier to just build a winner in Oakland and watch the attendance skyrocket, but that might not be where his head is at. He might be looking to put his stamp on things right away. Who knows…
"I could be chasing an untamed ornithoid without cause."
Given the number of fans who show up for the inferior product on the court, I don’t know that an SF arena would actually bring in more fans by sheer volume. Whenever I’m there, I’m amazed that so many of my fellow duped suckers show up so regularly.
For the league and ownership I suspect the question would be if it brings in a group of “fans” who spend more, willing to pay more for their seats, buying more beer, leasing more lux. boxes.
Oakland isn’t necessarily a negative selling point as a name, provided it’s marketed correctly. The Raiders, despite being abysmal for quite some time (something that keeps ticket sales down more than being in Oakland) still manage to bring in ridiculous sums for the NFL in merchandising. Maybe the Warriors should become the Oakland Warriors and adopt a new mascot, perhaps a middle-aged man without depth perception, wearing outdated protective equipment. It seems to sell well even when the team sucks.
by jae on Feb 26, 2010 9:55 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah,
All good points. And rec for this
Maybe the Warriors should become the Oakland Warriors and adopt a new mascot, perhaps a middle-aged man without depth perception, wearing outdated protective equipment. It seems to sell well even when the team sucks.
"I could be chasing an untamed ornithoid without cause."
It's not the Oakland Warriors
it’s the Golden State Warriors.
by Reverend_Randy on Feb 25, 2010 5:43 PM PST up reply actions
it’s the Golden State Warriors.
which is a really good reason to not move to frisco, East bay has a lot more golden hills than the city? and Coloma is the real birthplace of the Gold of the golden state.
Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Feb 25, 2010 5:50 PM PST up reply actions
Love to have Ellison as owner but West is 69 years old.....
To old for a manager or a coach for that matter….but he probably would have a consultive presence in the organization if Ellison buys in.
Some interesting news out about how West called up Calapari/Nets and talked him out of taking Kobe + his Shaq success ……gotta give him high manipulation cred……perhaps he would act as a pres in transition and give Ellison good advice on who to bring in for management.
by Only In Fairfax on Feb 24, 2010 4:02 PM PST reply actions
Of course he did not need to worry about the Warriors taking Kobe...
….or Amare…..or Boozer etc.
by Only In Fairfax on Feb 24, 2010 4:04 PM PST reply actions
No
Just no… Gasol to Laker sound familiar to anyone? What happened after the trade. West retired…
Face it the guy is loyal to the Lakers.
except Chris Wallace was the GM who made the Gasol trade
West retired in July 2007, the Gasol trade didn’t go down until Feb. 2008.
But, but he has Laker cooties!
One of the few to have appreciated Cap'n Jax. Do well in NC, get that 8th seed!
Conductor of the "We're Back!" Bandwagon!
Nelson used to be good too.
"If God made us in his image then he must be dumb too, and a little ugly on the side."
Frank Zappa
Now that his team was traded away and his new one is injured...what a looser
by Only In Fairfax on Feb 25, 2010 11:58 AM PST up reply actions
But Nelson was the reason these players were traded away.
Harrington, Crawford, Marcus Williams, Jackson … arguably even Baron.
These players left because of their inability to get along with Nelson.
+1
I remember he benched Baron and Pietrus in 08, Al is well documented, JC as well. Jack I’m not so sure about
Stan Van Gundy looks like a maintenance man who walked into the locker room to fix something, and just decided to start yelling stuff and somehow became the coach
Baron left for $$$$$ and to play with Brand.
Welcome to the Pit of Despair! Don't even think about trying to escape.
He also really wanted to go back to LA.
by Missing Barry on Mar 1, 2010 7:00 AM PST up reply actions
L.A., Brand ...
I don’t doubt either of those things. He’s an L.A. native and lives there during the offseason, so it obviously had a lot of draw.
On the other hand, if he hadn’t been clashing with Nellie, would he have left a nearly-perfect situation for him up here?
Obviously this is a what-if, but it’s hard to think back on that season and think that Baron’s issues with Nellie didn’t have any impact on his thinking.
would he have left a nearly-perfect situation
It wasn’t bad, but it’d be a stretch to call a borderline playoff team “nearly perfect.” Baron’s getting a little long in the tooth, he had one last payday, and one last chance to make a push for a deep playoff run.
Were either of those things going to happen with the same exact Warriors team? Nope. With the Clippers? He certainly got a better contract than he would have here, and theoretically should have paired up with Elton Brand. They would have at least had a shot to make a playoff run.
But, in reality, it was probably all about the benjamins first, second, and third. Playoff possibilities fourth. And Nellie and the rest of the Warriors FO 5th (though he probably doesn’t believe they’d be able to put together a contender, so it ties into the playoff possibilities thing too).
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by Dubs fan in Boston on Mar 2, 2010 3:48 PM PST up reply actions
I really believe going to LA was a significant factor, too. Baron has his film stuff he does, and he’s just an LA guy all around. I honestly think he cares more about that stuff than he does being on a winning team. You’re probably right that money was the single biggest factor, though.
by Missing Barry on Mar 2, 2010 4:07 PM PST up reply actions
What was his record in Memphis?
His most memorable move as Memphis GM was gift-wrapping a championship to the Lakers in the form of Pau Gasol without even calling around to see if anybody else would top the offer.
Actually the story goes...
That West knew Memphis wanted to unload Gasol for expirings – a money dump. Ownership was looking to sell and He had just left the team, but was still in contact.
He called Mitch Kupchick (lakers gm) and told him what would get it done if he wanted Gasol.
Then Voila – the biggest BS trade in the history of the NBA. Kwame Brown and Javarais crittendon -- might as well have been a bag o’ donuts.
Every team in the NBA would have been in the mix had they even dreamed getting Gasol would be so easy – but West gave the Lakers the inside track
So that is why we could use some of that juice.
We could some tough mindedness around here….both in management and on the floor. Are u reading AB shake it off bro….
by Only In Fairfax on Feb 25, 2010 12:02 PM PST up reply actions
Don't forget
That in the bag of donuts they found Marc Gasol.
A Sonics fan without a team... but after 6 seasons now of GS Warriors season tickets have convinced me to adopt the boys from Oakland.
Why don't we move Nellie to the GM spot...
Ellison as owner,obviously,and Avery Johnson at coach!
by Cpt. Jack in the Box on Feb 24, 2010 8:22 PM PST reply actions
i support nellie as gm...
he has a crazy eye for talent and is a NBA draft Wizard…that is what makes my recent disdain for Nellie sooo tough…i love him as a talent scout and manager…I hate his distaste for rookies as a coach…..Keep Nellie gm only if Ellison has the stones to veto any dumb trades regarding future young players that fall out of Nellie’s favor (i.e like trading anthony randolph this year)….I don’t want Avery Johnson as coach…bring in some new blood …there are a ton of great coaches out there that deserve a shot…no need to recycle the same names from what is the NBA fraternity. Get a new young coach on the rise that knows a lick about defense.
by JimBarnett2KevinGarnett on Feb 25, 2010 5:48 PM PST up reply actions
Great drafting? Not for a long time.
Since Nelson was with the team, we drafted Curry, Randolph, Belinelli, and honestly I can’t remember if he was here when we drafted PO’B, but I think he wasn’t.
That’s perfectly reasonable drafting, but it’s not anything special. Most teams would have taken Curry in that spot. Randolph was a reasonable pick at that spot, but again, not brilliant.
And Belinelli ended up being a pretty bad pick. Rudy Fernandez, Aaron Brooks, and Arron Affalo would have been better picks for a guard in that spot.
There was a time when I would have agreed with you, but I just don’t think Nellie is willing to put in the hours any more.
Most teams would have taken Curry in that spot.
I dunno, the NBA draft seems like a pretty big crapshoot in general to me. My impression is teams tend to place very different values on different players….
by Missing Barry on Feb 25, 2010 10:33 PM PST up reply actions
yep
Curry was no means a ‘no brainer’. San Antonio taking Duncan and there GM getting praised it type of stuff which is a joke.
Well they did get Parker at #28 and Ginobilli at #57. Then got Bowen out of nowhere. Got Jack out of nowhere. Then Salmons at #26, then signed Horry, then got Udrih, and now they got Blair at #34…. Their management has been superb besides Duncan. They deserve a lot of credit.
banned like chris andersen
by MDB on Feb 28, 2010 9:53 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
And we got Monta Ellis at #40 and Gilbert Arenas at #31 (or whatever it was)
We’ve also mined the undrafteds for Kelenna, Morrow, and CJ.
What’s the difference? Tim Duncan brings so much to the table that the Spurs players are left to focus on their strengths, while the Warriors don’t have ONE OF THE BEST BIG MAN IN A GENERATION.
And Blair doesn’t really count. On pure talent and production, he’d have gone in the lottery. Problem is, he’s got zero ACLs. His career is not likely to be long and fruitful. Anybody who didn’t expect Blair to be productive now wasn’t paying attention. Anybody who still expects him to be producing at a high level in 3-5 years likewise wasn’t paying attention.
He is really the perfect fit for a club like San Antonio. Able to step in right away and produce. Worry about the long run later. Why do they have that luxury? Because they have ONE OF THE BEST BIG MAN IN A GENERATION. Don’t fool yourself into thinking that a line up of Tony Parker, Manu Ginobili, Bruce Bowen, Robert Horry, Francisco Elson, and Fabricio Oberto would have sniffed the second round of the playoffs without Tim Duncan. Again, they have ONE OF THE BEST BIG MAN IN A GENERATION and he makes everybody on their team look better.
Trust me, learning english isn’t a waste of time. It is actually sort of useful.
-randolphforpresident
by Dubs fan in Boston on Mar 2, 2010 4:03 PM PST up reply actions
he’s got zero ACLs.
What exactly does that mean? If he doesn’t have them where did they go? If he can play without them then why are they necessary??
Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Mar 2, 2010 5:56 PM PST up reply actions
He tore them both and apparently they weren’t replaced? Not exactly sure, but that is what the reports said – you’d have to ask a doctor what that means, exactly. Given how far he fell, I think it’s safe to say doctors don’t think it’s a good thing. Everyone knew he could play….
by Missing Barry on Mar 2, 2010 6:17 PM PST up reply actions
He tore them both and apparently they weren’t replaced? Not exactly sure
I did a short search and could only find that he tore them both in high school, I didn’t see anything about them not being repaired.
Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Mar 2, 2010 7:09 PM PST up reply actions
After the draft combine that’s basically what people were saying – that the doctors discovered he didn’t even have ACL’s in either knee.
by Missing Barry on Mar 2, 2010 7:43 PM PST up reply actions
People are more concerned about
long term health rather than injury risk.
by Reverend_Randy on Mar 2, 2010 8:51 PM PST up reply actions
I’m confused how them finding great players doesn’t mean anything because they have Duncan.
banned like chris andersen
by MDB on Mar 2, 2010 7:50 PM PST up reply actions
I disagree.
Back on draft day, there were a variety of posts wondering why he didn’t go higher. A lot of post-draft analysis looked at picks like Thabeet and said, “Uh … does that make any sense?” and he was seen as falling into our lap because Minnesota decided to draft in bizzare fashion. Bill Simmons wrote something to the effect of “he and Blake are the only guys in this draft you can imagine being a top-3 guy on a contender.”
Remember that the rumor about the Amare trade is that it was all set to happen until Curry fell to us, and all of a sudden we didn’t want to do it any more. That’s a rumor, but its plausible because nobody expected Curry to fall to a spot where we could take him.
Maybe it’s not a “no brainer” (some people wanted Jennings, after all) but he was seen by most people as a very logical choice at that position, save for the fact that we already had Monta.
So when a player is widely expected to go higher than your draft position, and yet he falls to you, and you take him and he’s a success, you can’t give the GM a lot of credit for making a great pick. Maybe it’s not as obvious as Tim Duncan at #1, but it’s still the solid, obvious pick.
I dunno, I definitely looked at the Thabeet pick as dumb and a bust, and obviously Minnesota was doing some weird stuff, but depending on which report you got, Harden, Evans and maybe even Flynn, Jennings, and Hill (for some teams, not all) were all comparable to Curry, and Rubio was probably seen as above them all (at least for a team that thought they could get him over here). It seems to me the NBA draft tends to have a lot of guys who are widely seen as being fairly comparable, but from team to team, evaluations of them vary a decent amount. It could be that you switch the order of the top teams and they all end up picking the same guys anyways.
by Missing Barry on Mar 1, 2010 11:36 AM PST up reply actions
i dunno
I liked curry, but the questions about his athleticism were and still are legitimate. A lot of people said he could be JJ reddick (who is bigger btw). Considering the horrendous flops of Adam Morrison, where as guys like Russell Westbrook have succeeded it was legitimate.
If he was that big a no brainer minnesota woulda take hin. Personally if I was minnestoa i woulda taken Jennings (or Rubio) and De Rozan…. 2 biggest upside picks.
Curry and Randolph were the smartest choices. Belli wasn’t fantastic, but you can’t win every time. I don’t see that as evidence that Nellie is bad at spotting talent at all. He is probably just as good as ever.
Welcome to the Pit of Despair! Don't even think about trying to escape.
I do, we still can’t play D or rebound.
by Missing Barry on Mar 1, 2010 7:01 AM PST up reply actions
I'm not convinced Belli wouldnt' be a good player
Beli TS% was .547 last year and .541 this year…. 3.6 and 3.0 assists per36 v 2.0 Tos
He might have been our best perimeter defender behind jack last year.
Game changer? PRobably not… but he was definitely more useful than a 33 year old expiring, missed first 50 games Devean George.
Exactly why i liked him, and you don’t trade away young cheap talent for old stiffs.
banned like chris andersen
by MDB on Mar 1, 2010 5:17 PM PST up reply actions
But he sat out a year, and was developed by Nate Mac…one of the best young talent developers in our league.
banned like chris andersen
by MDB on Mar 2, 2010 7:49 PM PST up reply actions
My point wasn't that Nellie is "bad" at scouting talent now ...
Rather, that there’s no evidence that he’s still one of the best evaluators of guard talent, as he clearly was earlier in his career when he picked guys well ahead of where they might otherwise have gone and saw them blossom into stars (eg, Sprewell).
Quite frankly, I just don’t think he’s putting in the same level of work any more.
Did other people read the same article as me? I didn’t see anything in it that actually suggested West might be the Warriors GM, all I read were the “clever” little ways Kawakami manages to suggest BS without flat out saying it himself for when he’s wrong later (in other words, complete and utter speculation to generate hits)…..
You read it right Barry....we have nothing much else to jaw and speculate about....back to to work everyone!
by Only In Fairfax on Feb 25, 2010 12:05 PM PST up reply actions
Ha, not trying to destroy discussions about West as a GM, just pointing out that the headline that he might be the Warriors next GM is…misleading, and not really based on an actual rumor!
by Missing Barry on Feb 25, 2010 12:08 PM PST up reply actions
record not bad
HIs record as gm of memphis seems pretty good. The way i look at it anyone can win with the lakers it’s easy to attract free agents (shaq). Kobe said he would only play for the lakers when drafted by NJ I believe. I thought he was pretty terrible as a gm in memphis until i looked up the record. For the six seasons he was with them they were in the playoffs for three years losing in the first round each time. It seems like after his second season things instead of continuing to improve started declining. With his last year being disastrous. They are barely working their way out of it now. So his record looks good at first glance but it seems in the long run to build a championship i wouldn’t want him. He’s not loyal to this organisation and will not work his butt off for it. I would like to find a young guy like sam presti or darryl morey. That would kill for the opportunity and also be innovative with using all of larry ellison’s tools/capital.
The question is, how much responsibility does he deserve for what happened in memphis?
Did he make major trades to assemble the team? No.
why must fate taunt me so!?
there are a lot of comments above, attempting to weigh the pros and cons of having jerry west as the dubs gm, which is hilarious. this guy is sooooooooo far out of our league. i don’t care if his last job was as a scout for the bakersfield jam. he’s still a pipe dream for the warriors.
bring back warriors roundtable! warriors weekly is a pretender to the throne of warriors themed TV shows!
by The Bimbo Coles Experience on Feb 25, 2010 11:55 AM PST reply actions
There is no question that..
in his prime, The Logo was one of the best NBA minds and managers the league has ever seen. However, in his last stint with Memphis he showed very ominous signs of going senile and losing his touch due to old age. If you doubt me, just remember that he was the gm that threw 5 years and 36 million bones to Brian Cardinal and his knee pads.
by JimBarnett2KevinGarnett on Feb 25, 2010 4:02 PM PST reply actions
Without delving too much into West’s history, at first blush I would suggest that in today’s NBA, it’s almost more important to have a hardcore cap-ologist (someone like Morey) than a guy with incredible basketball knowledge and scouting ability.
Thing C
If I’ve learned anything from baseball, it’s this – smart GM’s tend to succeed. You don’t need to have good skills in any particular aspect of the sport, as long as you can recognize people that do, surround yourself with them, and understand when your crew has valid opinions and not. For instance, you don’t need to understand statistics, but if you’re smart enough to realize you need guys that do, hire them, and let them do the details and give you the end results….you can still make statistically informed decisions. If you don’t have any scouting acumen, hire a good scouting department, and realizing the value of what scouting can and can’t tell you, and listen to your guys who know how to scout and understand how to put a value on what they tell you. If you aren’t a cap expert, hire someone that is, and let them prepare cap reports and plans and forecasts that can inform your decisions….
by Missing Barry on Feb 25, 2010 10:37 PM PST up reply actions
Add to this that when you hire people with expertise, remember that you hired them for their expertise and be willing to take advice. I remember when Mullin and Nellie were quoted in interviews saying that they got reports from statisticians, but said something to the effect of just using them to confirm what they’d seen. If you’re simply looking for a numerical yes-man, why bother?
+1 and 2 Barry and Jae
That observation holds true for any manager in most any organization……
Then after those smart assistants start going after your job doen the road you have to learn the art of pitting them against each other ha! But still better than those managers who surround themselves with idiots and yes men so they will “look smart” and never be threatened…
by Only In Fairfax on Feb 26, 2010 10:29 AM PST up reply actions
I remember when Mullin and Nellie were quoted in interviews saying that they got reports from statisticians, but said something to the effect of just using them to confirm what they’d seen. If you’re simply looking for a numerical yes-man, why bother?
Brian Sabean. Ugh.
by Missing Barry on Feb 26, 2010 10:51 AM PST up reply actions
I'm not convinced Sabean knows what on base percentage is
but he drafted Derek Jeter and traded for Paul Oneill!
If you’re simply looking for a numerical yes-man, why bother?
Good point, if one’s observations are sharp the stats can only confirm them so spend the money on beer.
Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Feb 26, 2010 10:53 AM PST up reply actions
Why would the Warriors move to SF?
I mean really Frisco already has RIDICULOUS traffic, having the Warriors play there would only quadruple it. Personally, I don’t think SF is as “Classy” as everyone thinks. It’s dirty and a * to drive in. I mean the only thing that would payoff is the look of the city from a blimp on TNT, other than that it would be a downgrade in terms of accessibility and location, for the fans of course.
- iBall, do you?
A Lot of People in SF
Walk and take public transit.
You have to assume that the stadium will be in Soma and therefore accessible by BART and Caltrain.
But I agree on the “classy” part – I think the operative word is “rich” as rent is higher in SF than pretty much anywhere else in America.
Have any of you ever taken BART back to SF after the game (or driven to SF after the game)? A LOT of fans come from SF to Warriors games. The BART trains are almost always packed.
by Billy Frijoles on Feb 26, 2010 2:02 PM PST up reply actions
I'd say parts of the City is what makes it so beautiful.
That and the culture and history in which it became nationally known for. Believe me, if you take a good weekend day to peruse the sites of SF, you will be amazed at what you’ll find.
Downtown and Soma IS SF, but it doesn’t really feel like SF.
Warriors, Stupidest franchise in the league.
I told Randolph that Bill Russell would tell him to keep that ball in play and start the break.
RANDOLPH: "I know. But sometimes, you gotta let ‘em know."
(MT)
I mean the only thing that would payoff is the look of the city from a blimp on TNT,
and they already do that when they broadcast from Oakland.
Pretty much everything from docks, to railroads, to industry has moved outta Frisco over the last 50 years leaving an empty decadent shell, why would a “family values” oriented NBA team wanna associate with that? The east bay is our chicago and detriot of a hundred years ago, the engine of today’s Yay area. Keep the warriors real.
Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Feb 26, 2010 12:00 PM PST reply actions
My favorite Jerry West story...
This is probably a total fabrication, and I can’t even remember where I read or heard it, but the story goes that after a few days of free agency the Memphis owner came in to complain that they hadn’t made any moves and the local media was getting restless. Without responding West picks up the phone calls an agent and signs Brian Cardinal for the full MLE. After he hangs up the phone he looks at the owner and asks “There, are you happy now?”
Like I said, it’s probably total BS, but I love it.
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