RECAP: Warriors 101, Mavericks 110 - Game 48 also known as the D-League showcase

(Fully aware of Dirk Nowitzki's pending free agency status, Nellie tries to sweet talk him into becoming a Warrior)
In the 20+ years I've been a Warriors fan, I've learned the hard way to temper my expectations. Rather than huffing and puffing over poor passing, mental lapses like stepping or dribbling out of bounds, and missing wide open layups, I've come to appreciate the minor things (mini-comebacks) as opposed to the finer things (actual wins). In fact, I will go so far as to call this Warriors loss a "win" (by some Warrior fans' standards) by how valiantly they came back to the close the 3rd quarter on a 16-6 run. From being down 18 to 6, I consider this a relatively "tremendous" effort by a team that vaguely looks like the Warriors only by uniform homogeneity. This counts as another moral victory. With enough of these under our belt already, the Warriors are destined for the loser's playoffs: NBA DRAFT!
Onlxn's comment in his fan post "A Big Man That Could Help Us," perfectly sums up, in my opinion, last night's Warriors Woes (as opposed to Warrior Wonders):
More to the point, we suck. And do you know the main three reasons we suck? 1) We're the worst-rebounding team in basketball, 2) we give up the second-most points in the paint of any team in basketball, and 3) we let our opponents shoot better from the field than any team except for the Nets.
Okay, now that we've confronted the Warriors woes head on, let's look at this game (and possibly the rest of the season) as an extended "pre-season" in preparation for next season. As mentioned earlier, being a Warriors fan's involves some strategies for survival. So as opposed to considering this a loss, this game, in some ways, seemed more like tryouts for next seasons' Warriors squad with all the d-league "talent" running around. So let's evaluate this d-league talent versus a decent team in the NBA!
The knock on most d-leaguers (or players from other countries) is that they lack experience playing against the elite. Well, the Warriors bench is filled with NBA hopefuls (Coby Karl) and wannabes (Chris Hunter) and tonight they played against the elites of the NBA: formerly elite player Jason Kidd, currently elite Dirk Nowitski, supposed-to-be-elite Drew Gooden, and purportedly future-elite Rodrigue Beaubois. Our Warriors did not fair that well.
Coby Karl: I had dubbed him the Warriors fans' latest man-crush or "flavor of the month," but I think I spoke to soon. After a statistically impressive (yet meaningless) game against the Rockets, Karl responded with a pretty typical stat-line expected of a 10 contract player. The one thing I like about Karl is that even when he's doing ordinary things or nothing, he does them super hard. When he goes up for rebounds - several times with no one around him - he goes up with HARD, securing the ball with two hands and elbows stretched out to ensure no defenders come by to pop it out. When he leads the break and just makes a simple dump pass to a wing player at the top of the key, it's the tenacity by which he brings the ball up the court that seems to impressive me. He makes me think he's going to do something awesome, when in actually he doesn't. Even when he's just running around "getting open" when it's clear that no one will pass him the ball, Karl looks like he's trying or at least trying to be a diversion in a pretty predictable offensive scheme. Regardless of whether he has skills, Karl makes the ordinary things look exciting even if his results (play-making skills) are next to nil. His chances of sticking with the Warriors? I'll quote Jay-Z: "on to the next.. on-on to the next one." Oh yea, Karl did grab 6 boards in 15 mins. That's effective!
Chris Hunter: Chris Hunter has some flaws, like any player. Benefits? He's got a big body. Problems? He seems pretty lost most of the time. Hunter played a minute in last night's game and really doesn't get much of a chance at all now that Biedrins and Turiaf are back...not that he had much of a chance to before they returned. You could say Hunter was relatively effective in his one minute, having a rebound and put-back dunk in his first play of the game. But most of the time, Hunter can't seem to put it together. Usually, he misses wide open jump shots from the wing. Or worse yet, he can't finish in traffic, often times missing point blank 1 to 2 footers. His future? Back in the d-league ... or a lucrative contract in China.

(Eduardo Najera, the Monta-stopper, if there was one)
Anthony Tolliver: We talked about this at-length already, but this guy needs to stop shooting. Either that or he needs to start taking higher percentage shots. Anthony Tolliver is quite an enigma to me. He seems to have all the ability - decent handle for a big man and some quickness. But he seems to play like he's playing a d-league game, which means he shoots with wreckless abandon. He already takes more than a third of his shots from beyond the arc shooting a scintillating 14%. In only 10 minutes of action last night, Tolliver seemed rather ineffective. Tolliver has shown that he won't challenge anyone on the Warriors squad for minutes. While he looks much more NBA ready fundamentally at first glance than say Anthony Randolph or Brandan Wright at this moment, Tolliver seems relatively useless on both ends of the floor with a rebounding rate that is pretty disappointing for a guy his height and size.
This is all to say that the d-leaguers made me miss Kelenna Azubuike, Anthony Randolph, and even Brandan Wright. Joni Mitchell was right, "You don't know what you got til it's gone."

Monta Ellis. This is a no brainer. It was just one of those nights where Ellis couldn't miss even if he wanted to. His 3-point shooting has impressively improved over the course of the season and it's testament of his hard work on both ends of the floor. Ellis' 4 assists hardly describe his attempts at getting his teammates involved as Warrior bigs dropped a few pretty passes in the paint early on. His ability to score with a variety of jumpers, floaters, and drives over extremely athletic and towering-in-height wings two-nights in a row (Trevor Ariza and Shawn Marion) strongly suggests that Ellis is one of the elite scorers in this league. A superstar? Not quite.
But, I wonder about Ellis and Stephen Curry's ability to play together. After earning rookie of the month honors, Curry has seemed to regress a bit with Ellis' return from his ankle injury, taking a back seat and regressing to a more passive role. More specifically, he's not attacking the hoop necessarily and he's turning the ball over like it was November all-over-again. I would argue against the belief that Ellis is a player that needs to dominate the ball to be effective or is unwilling to share. Rather this leads me to wonder if Curry is THE player that needs to have the ball in his hands in order to participate. Curry's statistically amazing January came when Monta was out, allowing him not only to score prolifically like at Davidson with dribble drives and 3 points shots, but also distribute in ways that Warrior haven't seen since Baron Davis. But when he's not handling the ball so much, like last night, Curry just seemed to transform from a chariot into a pumpkin QUICK. In what ways can Curry get more involved without forcing the issue? There were a few times where Curry put up shots - going coast to coast and hurrying up a jumper from 20 feet with 20 seconds left on the shot clock - that looked more like "I haven't shot in a while" shots or "I need to get mine" shots, if you know what I mean.
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Don Nelson on Monta: “That was a remarkable performance by Monta. He didn’t have a great supporting cast, but he fought and kept us in the game and gave us a chance to win.”
That pretty much sums up the season. Yet people even have the nerve to criticize him when he is the only player on this team that other teams game plan around for. Monta gets double teamed, and he still drops 46.
Rick Carlisle on Monta "He does it to everybody. That’s why I’m not that discouraged. He lines you up one-on-one, jumps over you and shoots bombs. That happens, we adjusted, we went and trapped him. Switched defenders on him, trapped pick-and-rolls. He’s just turned into a great offensive players. That’s what you have to say and fortunately we survived it. But he had 30 in the first three quarter last night, too.
Yet somehow people expect Monta to lead this team to the playoffs. Neither Dwayne Wade or Kobe Bryant can take this team anywhere with the current roster of D Leaguers.
The truth hurts.
by illmaticwarrior on Feb 4, 2010 11:34 AM PST reply actions
he is the only player on this team that other teams game plan
uh….. Corey Maggette? Other things in game plan: box out Andris. don’t leave Morrow.
no disrespect to Monta, but Wade & Kobe could probably carry the team to around 40 wins. Kobe did lead a team filled with (in order of minutes played) Odom, Smush Parker, Kwame Brown, Chris Mihm, Devean George, Luke Walton, Brian Cook & Sasha Vujacic to 45 wins. link Wade got to 44 wins with (in order of minutes) Chalmers, Haslem, Marion/Jermaine, Beasley, Daequan Cook, Joel Anthony, Chris Quinn & Yakhouba Diawara link.
by homer simpson on Feb 4, 2010 12:01 PM PST up reply actions
Well
Pretty much all those guys didn’t come from the D-League.
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I would argue that some of those players should have started in the D-League.
by samuraaaaiiiiiii on Feb 4, 2010 1:34 PM PST up reply actions
I think I would rather have D-Leaguers than at least half of those guys.
But that could just be personal prejudice.
by Reverend_Randy on Feb 4, 2010 3:51 PM PST up reply actions
no disrespect to Monta, but Wade & Kobe could probably carry the team to around 40 wins
No chance. Atleast not the current roster. Our full roster healthy? I’d say so… but not the current roster
ns. Kobe did lead a team filled with (in order of minutes played) Odom, Smush Parker, Kwame Brown, Chris Mihm, Devean George, Luke Walton, Brian Cook & Sasha Vujacic to 45 wins.
Lamar Odom alone is a better player than anyone on Warriors.
Wade got to 44 wins with (in order of minutes) Chalmers, Haslem, Marion/Jermaine, Beasley, Daequan Cook, Joel Anthony, Chris Quinn & Yakhouba Diawar
In the east!. That team in current west would win 34ish.
Anyway i don’t disagree w/ your assertion they could lead a healthy dubs roster to over 40 wins, but not the current one. I would have been curious to see what monta could do w/ same situation
Lamar Odom alone is a better player than anyone on Warriors.
Even our savior, anthony randolph?! How could you possibly say such a thing! (Sarcasm is tough to emit through the internet…)
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I'd say Kobe could win around 30-35 with this squad
Kobe in his physical prime
you think....
curry, cj, kobe, toliver, biedrins is a 30-35 win team?!
I’m not talking health randolph, bwright, morrow, buike…. i think if our roster was full health and we swapped kobe for monta then yes it’d be high 30s…
Monta for Kobe and full health? I think it’d be a lot higher than that.
Heck, flip Monta for LeBron and give us full health, and I’d say we’re NBA champion favorites next season…
Curry / CJ
Morrow / Buike
LeBron / Maggs
Randolph / Wright
Biedrins / Turiaf
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on Feb 5, 2010 12:21 AM PST up reply actions
I got a little misty eyed looking at that lineup. It’s beautiful.
heart of a champion, will of the warrior.
… just thinking of all the open looks for Steph, ’Buike and Ammo on the perimeter … with AR/AB/BW cleaning up inside … [sniffle…]
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by Sleepy Freud on Feb 5, 2010 12:34 AM PST up reply actions
I got a little misty eyed looking at that lineup
cause half of them would be out with injury?
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by Skeptic con Urquell on Feb 5, 2010 10:16 AM PST up reply actions
if our roster was full health
Monta for Kobe and full health?
give us full health
Read to achieve!
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by Sleepy Freud on Feb 5, 2010 10:21 AM PST up reply actions
Read to achieve!
I was just pointing out the reality of the situation
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by Skeptic con Urquell on Feb 5, 2010 2:53 PM PST up reply actions
… who had by far the best regular-season record and the best point differential in the NBA, and were consensus NBA champion favorites, till they fell in a hard-fought ECF to a team that matched up really well against them.
I’d also argue that that Warriors supporting crew, with a bit of projection based on their youth, is marginally better than what the Cavs trotted out last year. And I’d add that LeBron may have stepped up his a game a tiny bit from last year … if that’s even possible.
Not saying the 2010-11 LeBron Warriors would be a shoo-in for the title, but I’d put my money on them over any other team.
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I’d also argue that that Warriors supporting crew, with a bit of projection based on their youth, is marginally better than what the Cavs trotted out last year.
I wouldn’t. I think Curry, Morrow, have potential to be better than Mo Williams, Delonte but today they r not.
And in the front court it’s worse. 2009 version of randolph, biedrins, turiaf do not compare to varajao, Big Z, Hickson… however boring they may be
We’re talking 2010 versions, not 2009. And you left out Buike, Maggs, and Wright, three very efficient and productive players, two of whom could easily get even better next season.
I think I could find some numbers that suggest that the current Warriors roster, healthy but sans Monta, projects to be about as good next season as the LeBronless Cavs were in 08/09. but I’m feeling lazy. Let me put it this way: ignoring salaries, would you trade the Warriors minus Monta for the Cavs minus LeBron and Shaq? If not, why not?
Or more importantly, cutting right to the chase: which team do you think would be odds-on favorite to defeat those Wet Dream 2010/11 Warriors? In the highly unlikely event that that fantasy team came to pass, I’ll say right now that I’d wager a lot of real money on them, at even money, against whatever team you pick. In the NBA, having the best player in the league always gives you a leg up on all comers; and the supporting cast really wouldn’t be chopped liver.
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by Sleepy Freud on Feb 5, 2010 10:19 AM PST up reply actions
Let me put it this way: ignoring salaries, would you trade the Warriors minus Monta for the Cavs minus LeBron and Shaq? If not, why not?
Why minus shaq? I wouldn’t cause of age and potential… but if those 2 teams you mentioned (no lebron no monta) played 10 times, i bet cleveland wins more often.
Ireegardless, yes u add lebron to our team and we insteantly a top 8 team. His impact could also bring out best in randolph, biedrins, corry etc… maybe top 2 or 3
Shaq wasn’t on the Cavs last year, so he wouldn’t be a part of the discussion. Same with Moon and Parker, so basically we’d be talking about: Curry/Morrow/Maggs/Randolph Biedrins vs Mo/Delonte/(I really don’t even know)/Varejao/Z. I don’t think it’s crazy to say the Warriors win that game more often than not, especially since their bench is way better.
heart of a champion, will of the warrior.
Why minus shaq?
Because we’re comparing that hypothetical Warriors team to last year’s Cavs — the one that was the best team in the NBA for most of the season.
a top 8 team
That’s a bit like calling LeBron a “Top 8 player.” Except for the Lakers and possibly Orlando, who else could hang with that team? (I’m excluding Celtics, ‘cos by next year they’ll be really old).
His impact could also bring out best in randolph, biedrins, corry etc… maybe top 2 or 3
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by Sleepy Freud on Feb 5, 2010 11:18 AM PST up reply actions
I don’t think our bigs could handle the Lakers at all. Even with LeBron, we couldn’t beat them. We’d be a very strong team, but we couldn’t match up with the L.A.’s big boys.
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i think a better point is...
nellie would start lebron at 5. Loves his ability to start the break!
Could be. Obviously, the Lakers stable of big men is much better overall, but I’m not sure the Warriors crew “couldn’t handle” them. Physically, I think Randolph/Biedrins (+ one year of maturing) match up pretty well with Odom/Gasol in terms of length and quickness; and I imagine Turiaf with his barrel chest, long arms, and crazy energy could bother Bynum a little. And small sample size, but Azubuike generally seems to be able hang physically with Kobe, with that James guy waiting in the wings to clamp down on Kobe in crunchtime.
On the other end, meanwhile, LeBron would be torching and tormenting Artest and Co. (RonRon seems to be LeBron’s latest S&M plaything) while the Lakeshow’s aging D madly scrambled to close out on the deep-bombing troika of Curry-Morrow-Buike.
Also of note: LeBron would continue to be smack in the middle of his playing prime, while Kobe, Artest and Odom would be one more year removed from theirs.
Yeah, I’d put my money on the WDW (Wet Dream Warriors). Either way, it’d be hella fun to watch, wouldn’t it? Sigh…
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on Feb 5, 2010 12:55 PM PST up reply actions
as great as you're vision sounds...
i’d readily just trade the current warriors for Lebron alone…. surround him w/ tolliver, hunter, colby karl, cartier martin and take our chances.
i still cant get over the fact
we have devin george, coby karl, chris hunter, and anthony tolliver.
+1
It’s totally different from the line-up we had at the beginning of the season. Off topic, KNBR just said Curry (not Morrow) will be in the 3 point shoot out. Anyone hear about this?
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That's disappointing.
Anyway Curry can give up his spot to Morrow. Even Curry should know Morrow deserves it more than he does.
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by JustSomeName on Feb 4, 2010 11:58 AM PST up reply actions
Curry’s statistically amazing January came when Monta was out,
Did I miss something in the month of January? I think Ellis only missed 2 games.
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I think CJ missed a lot of time. Maybe Curry can’t play with him.
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by cybermaldonado on Feb 4, 2010 5:46 PM PST up reply actions
Well, he had by far his best games when Ellis was out
I would agree that Curry plays better when he has the ball in his hands most of the time. And guess what? From what I’ve seen, the rest of the team plays better to. Maybe it has to do with the fact that they can expect to get passed to when Curry has it. Monta… not so much.
by randolphforpresident on Feb 4, 2010 8:27 PM PST up reply actions
and guess what?
we got blown out in those games.
we got blown out in those games.
Simply not true. We lost to SAC by 3 and PHX by 9 with Monta out. Since Monta came back we have lost 4 of 5 by at least 9 points and the other game by 8.
by samuraaaaiiiiiii on Feb 4, 2010 9:36 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah in sac game we got destroyed the first 3 quarters
and when they stopped playing Curry was still playing garbage minutes and hit like three 3’s, which is impressive and all, but still.
"I will go so far as to call this Warriors loss a "win" "...
No such thing and shouldn’t be uttered again…A loss is a loss, any way you slice it..Sorry just frustrated hearing that allllllllll thhhhhheeee time!!!
A loss is a loss, any way you slice it.
You don’t understand handicapping ?
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by Skeptic con Urquell on Feb 4, 2010 1:22 PM PST up reply actions
So if we set our handicap to 4, then teams need to beat us by 5 to actually win right?
by samuraaaaiiiiiii on Feb 4, 2010 1:40 PM PST up reply actions
if we set our handicap to 4, then teams need to beat us by 5 to actually win right?
They should give us about 10 points these days to be fair? I mean D leaguer points should at least count double??
Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Feb 4, 2010 3:24 PM PST up reply actions
They could implement an And-1 situation just for D-Leaguers. Every time the other team lets a D-League guy score, the man closest to him is assessed a shooting foul along with the made basket. That way we can foul out the other team’s high minute players forcing them to play at our talent level.
by samuraaaaiiiiiii on Feb 4, 2010 4:30 PM PST up reply actions
And what if coby karl, cj watson, azubike, and toliver combined to go 1-29 from the field?
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You forget Nellie must fight a tank battle rivaling Kursk to beat the Nets to the ping pong balls! A loss is a win ;)
So let me get this straight... Maggette is the healthy guy.
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by Badly Browned on Feb 4, 2010 2:04 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
A loss is a win ;)
and Nellie will figure out some way to alienate the players and pizz them off so they win just enough games to lose us Wall and Cousins
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by Skeptic con Urquell on Feb 4, 2010 2:08 PM PST reply actions
Blame
I am not saying I am a genius or whatever but even though in this summer I said this team wont win more then the 29 games they won last year, I never expected them to lose Buike and AR for this many games. I thought Maggette and Ellis would miss some time. Nevertheless, the result is still the same, if Buike and AR would have been healthy and Maggette and Ellis were injured, we would still have had 13 wins right now. We could have had some veteran players to help this team, guys like Ronald Murray or Marquis Daniel or even a guy like Craig Smith who we could have traded for him. What I am saying is, win or lose is decided in the off season, this organization didnt care about wining. They traded Jamal Crawford for Acie Law and Speedy Claxton, two pathetic players who we totally never needed. I am 100% that we could have got something better or Jamal could have played instead of Coby Karl. Unless this organization invests their time in trying to get better, there is no way we will win regardless who is healthy or not. Look at this roster, even if we were healthy, we dont have a 4 who can play against the quality 4s in the Western Conference. Our Center is struggling and we traded away our best perimeter defender. There is no win in the Warrior land unless we upgrade our roster.
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I look at the Box Score and see that Monta had 46 points but Kidd had 3 more assists than the entire Warriors team.
Do I really need to look at the final score to see who won the game?
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Our PG: 46 points, 2 assists, 7 turnovers
Their PG: 6 points, 16 assists, 4 turnovers
46 points vs 6 points: Monta dominated! Yeh… right. I’m so fricken sick of this ISO, street-ball offense, where Monta dominates the ball and hardly ever passes. That is not how you win basketball games.
And to those who say Monta is our SG, not our PG: if you have ball in your hands for 40+ minutes a game, you are acting as the PG. To get 2 assists after dominating the ball that much is absolutely ridiculous.
by randolphforpresident on Feb 4, 2010 8:36 PM PST up reply actions
Our PG: 46 points, 2 assists, 7 turnovers Their PG: 6 points, 16 assists, 4 turnovers
Looks like our boy still comes out with a better net bottom line? If assists are about 60 % 2 pointers and turn overs are about 60 percent opposition goals then it would be something like Montay 46+4-8=42 and their guy 6+38-5=39?
Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Feb 4, 2010 8:50 PM PST up reply actions
i’m sorry, I haven’t been a huge monta supporter this last month, but i think it is ridiculous you think criticizing monta for scoring 46 points on 17-23 shooting is justified. That is SO efficient. That isn’t iso-one on one streetball. You make it sound like he should have been passing more, but if you looked at his teammates, none of them were doing anything productive on offense. Maggette was average, that was about it.
To get 2 assists after dominating the ball that much is absolutely ridiculous.
Maybe you would realize none of his teammates were hitting any shots.
And when you criticize Monta’s turnovers last night, consider 3 of those came on ridiculous charges. You think charges are starting the other teams fastbreak and giving them easy points… i don’t think so. I mean come on Randolph4prez, appreciate that if monta had a good game like 12-25 shooting 33 points 4 assists 5 turnovers, we would have lost by 25.
He kept us close, and was the only good thing we had going last night.
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by monta.da.boss on Feb 4, 2010 9:24 PM PST up reply actions
I guess Wade and Lebron are PG's too
oh wait..
TOR
Steve Nash: 13.11
Steph: 12.84
Rondo: 11.84
Jason Kidd: 11.74
Monta: 11.72
go figure
Assists per 36 minutes
Nash 11.8
Rondo 9.5
Kidd 9.3
Curry 4.9
Monta 4.6
And, not sure why they were brought up, but:
LeBron 7.6
Wade 6.3
I agree with mdb that it’s ridiculous to criticize Monta’s performance last night, but let’s not act like his less-than-ideal floor management and shooting efficiency haven’t been part of the reason we’ve been sucking so badly this season.
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but let’s not act like his less-than-ideal floor management
Yeah, it was his plan to hurt everyone and call up a team of D leaguers.
If we had a team of 5 montays would we win more games than a team with one Montay and four potentials?
Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Feb 5, 2010 10:20 AM PST reply actions
part of the reason
Again, Skep, read to achieve. Clearly the absurd injury luck — by extension, the team of D-leaguers — has been the biggest reason for the suck this season. And Nellie ‘s increasing nuttiness is probably a big factor as well. That doesn’t exonerate Monteigh from all blame. Causes for things in the real world tend to be pretty complex.
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by Sleepy Freud on Feb 5, 2010 10:26 AM PST up reply actions

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