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I can't say I saw this one coming either. It's probably a year too late though.

Actually think back to WE BELIEVE 2007. From the Dubs' perspective it was simply magical, but it all wouldn't have been possible if the Clippers didn't choke down the stretch. There really wasn't any excuse for that. You could argue that this was a few years too late.

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Hey Atma, I’m curious why you think Dunleavy is so bad, when he has done a much better job than our “hall of fame” coach, Don Nelson. Just curious. Not saying Dunleavy is a good coach, but right now, i would take him over Nelson.

Euro Players Rock! Go Warriors!

by monta.da.boss on Feb 4, 2010 6:30 PM PST reply actions  

Because he is a worse coach...

Explain to me how he is better? His team is sub 500 with Baron/Butler/Camby/Gordon/Jordan/Kamen/Telfair/Thorton all healthy…

You know I spit technique to the freshest freak
Gimme a call you will see results in just a week
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by LostHawkGSW on Feb 4, 2010 6:33 PM PST up reply actions  

Which is average?

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by monta.da.boss on Feb 4, 2010 7:36 PM PST up reply actions  

Statistically, Mike Dunleavy is an average player… among men.

Welcome to the Pit of Despair! Don't even think about trying to escape.

by Naticus2 on Feb 4, 2010 9:45 PM PST up reply actions  

Haha

Mike Dunleavy, Jr.: “Average Player among Men.”

There will be no extra point!

by Sleepy Freud on Feb 5, 2010 12:25 AM PST up reply actions  

It’s sad that we have to qualify that. ha ha

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by Naticus2 on Feb 5, 2010 10:59 AM PST up reply actions  

I can't tell...

if this is bitterness we took him over amare, Caron Butler, Nene or even Boozer, Tayshaun, Gooden

or bitterness we got the 3 pick in 2002, when in 2003 w/ the 3 pick we could have had melo, wade or bosh

life is cruel

by tafkasam on Feb 4, 2010 10:10 PM PST up reply actions  

And with the #3 pick in ’84…

There will be no extra point!

by Sleepy Freud on Feb 4, 2010 11:45 PM PST up reply actions  

laugh all you want...

I’m telling you will win the lottery, and riley will trade John Wall for Amare

by tafkasam on Feb 5, 2010 8:58 AM PST up reply actions  

We have about as good of a roster as them, and they have had injury problems ( Griffin, Gordon, Camby, Kaman have all missed significant time), and they are only 6 games under .500 in the West. Pretty good job by him. Nellie not so much.

Euro Players Rock! Go Warriors!

by monta.da.boss on Feb 4, 2010 6:39 PM PST reply actions  

Uhhh

They have not have had even close to the injury problems we have had this season. Not even close.

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Gimme a call you will see results in just a week
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by LostHawkGSW on Feb 4, 2010 7:03 PM PST up reply actions  

Yes they have had worse injury problems than us. Maybe we have had more injuries, but they haven’t been to nearly as good of players.
Kaman and Camby > Biedrins
Griffin> Wright, Randolph
Gordon> Azubuike, Bell
Our injury problems haven’t taken our 3 “best” players off the court for more than a game or two ( Curry, Maggette, Monta).
You can easily say 4 of their top 5 players have missed good portions of time this season. Not to mention the clippers top 5 is better than ours
Camby, Griffin, Kaman, Baron, Gordon > Monta, Curry, Maggette, Randolph, Biedrins
our injury problems haven’t decimated us of talent, but mainly just depth.

Euro Players Rock! Go Warriors!

by monta.da.boss on Feb 4, 2010 7:40 PM PST up reply actions  

and

Use the REPLY button.

You know I spit technique to the freshest freak
Gimme a call you will see results in just a week
With the soul of a LOST HAWK
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by LostHawkGSW on Feb 4, 2010 7:04 PM PST up reply actions  

they dont have to play d leaguers. Kaman is playing really good. Remember baron. Marcus Camby the ultimate garbage man, gordon…. yeah they have a better team.

by dubtown on Feb 4, 2010 10:46 PM PST up reply actions  

The important thing is

 How can we use this to our advantage?

Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.

by Skeptic con Urquell on Feb 4, 2010 7:32 PM PST reply actions  

we could fire Don Nelson and hire Dunleavy Sr.? I really hate Dunleavy’s coaching, but it would be an improvement…

"We Deserve"

by YaHeard on Feb 4, 2010 8:42 PM PST up reply actions  

He’s still their GM, so hiring him would be impossible.

by samuraaaaiiiiiii on Feb 4, 2010 9:26 PM PST up reply actions  

I really hate Dunleavy’s coaching, but it would be an improvement…

and maybe he could entice MikeJr. to come back and play with KobeKarl?

Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.

by Skeptic con Urquell on Feb 4, 2010 8:53 PM PST reply actions  

and bring Murphy

back just add to the mix

Win Or Lose Warriors For Life.........

by mykelala01 on Feb 5, 2010 2:33 PM PST up reply actions  

and bring Murphy

  stats say he’s pretty good?

Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.

by Skeptic con Urquell on Feb 5, 2010 2:42 PM PST up reply actions  

This is about LeBron

There’s no way LeBron comes to a team playing Mike Dunleavy’s slow-down offense, where the best playing has been quitting on his coach since he signed his contract.

Now they start playing uptempo, exciting basketball, and become an appealing destination for Lebron. Maybe not as appealing as Chicago, but they have cap room, they have a top point guard (I’ll bet dollars to donut’s Baron is suddenly healthy for the rest of the year and his numbers improve in almost all categories). They have Blake Griffin coming in next year, plus this year’s first round pick. I think they’ll have the cap room to add LeBron and another major free agent.

Imagine adding Lebron and Bosh to Griffin, Baron, and Kaman. Potentially a very good team. Potentially the best team in the NBA by a mile.

And it has a zero % chance of happening with Dunleavy as coach.

by Ronaldinho on Feb 4, 2010 9:36 PM PST reply actions  

Potentially a very good team.

No duh! haha.
Baron
Gordon
Lebron
Bosh
Kaman
6th man: Griffin.

Euro Players Rock! Go Warriors!

by monta.da.boss on Feb 4, 2010 10:15 PM PST up reply actions  

it has a zero % chance of happening with Dunleavy as coach.

and what? about 2% without dunleavey??

Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.

by Skeptic con Urquell on Feb 4, 2010 10:25 PM PST up reply actions  

I think that Chicago is where LeBron is going to end up ...

… but its either there or Clipperland. The media hype if Lebron and Kobe were in the same city would be unbelievable.

So I’d say maybe a 30% chance of it happening. It’d be 50% if the Clippers weren’t the Clippers.

by Ronaldinho on Feb 5, 2010 10:27 AM PST up reply actions  

It is now official

We have the worst coach in the NBA now that Dunleavy has been booted upstairs or whatever. We desperately need to win a few more games so Nelson can get his meaningless record and then can become a consultant and let Smart or someone else take over the team.

We Believe We Were Deceived

by commish on Feb 4, 2010 9:36 PM PST reply actions  

if our choices are Nellie and Smart

stay another 5 Nellie…. Smart seems like a super nice guy, but he has not shown 1 ounce of Nellie’s coaching prowless

by tafkasam on Feb 4, 2010 9:44 PM PST up reply actions  

I think Keith Smart might do well with different personnel. Everyone has strengths and weaknesses. Smart is supposed to be a defensive specialist, and we don’t have the team for that.

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by Naticus2 on Feb 4, 2010 9:48 PM PST up reply actions  

I think Keith Smart might do well with different personnel.

I can see it now… Cohan signs 5 best defendersi n dleague

by tafkasam on Feb 4, 2010 10:03 PM PST up reply actions  

I'd like to exert a quote...
“None of those [free-flowing] teams have ever gone past the first round [of the playoffs]”

Indeed Dunleavey. not the 2006-7 warriors, not the mavs under Nellie, not d’antoni’s suns… definitely not Magic’s showtime lakers.

Defense should always be a priority, but theres nothing wrong w/ a free flowing uptempo fast breaking offense. Particularly if it suits ur personnel best

by tafkasam on Feb 4, 2010 9:41 PM PST reply actions  

I agree. About 15 years ago, every team was a fast paced team, the slowest teams would average around 105 ppg a game, good for 4th now.
You just have to play good defense. We don’t.
You need to have an efficient half-court offense. We don’t.
The Suns for about 3 or 4 years were pretty good defensively and they had some of the best half-court offensive plays. The 1-5 pick and roll with Nash and Amar’e was lethal.

Euro Players Rock! Go Warriors!

by monta.da.boss on Feb 4, 2010 10:19 PM PST up reply actions  

the suns were 1 Robert Horry dirty shot away from winning it all

It makes me sad cause it would have changed the eve growing league bias you have to play mike brown basketball to win.

Like a team w/ Lebron couldn’t win running and gunning. God i wanna see that

by tafkasam on Feb 4, 2010 10:31 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah

they would have stomped Cleveland if amare and diaw werent suspended for getting off the bench. what a joke stern.

Euro Players Rock! Go Warriors!

by monta.da.boss on Feb 4, 2010 10:34 PM PST up reply actions  

Bill Simmons

must be going nuts right now

We Believe > We Suck & Long Live '07-'08

by MidnightBlue on Feb 4, 2010 10:41 PM PST up reply actions  

Dude the Celtics layed really fast too. The lakers play in la and everything from la is automatically better. If im not mistaken the Celtics averaged above 115 ppg in all of their championship seasons in the 80’s.

Euro Players Rock! Go Warriors!

by monta.da.boss on Feb 4, 2010 10:42 PM PST up reply actions  

The lakers play in la and everything from la is automatically better.

  No, it’s actually worse down there so the Lakers are even better than they look.Bring them up here and they’d be undefeated.

Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.

by Skeptic con Urquell on Feb 4, 2010 10:49 PM PST reply actions  

i was kidding

thats what the media does. a crappy player in shannon brown who does nothing but dunks is more popular than paul pierce, ray allen, and kevin garnett.

Euro Players Rock! Go Warriors!

by monta.da.boss on Feb 4, 2010 10:53 PM PST up reply actions  

Even Vujacic gets public recognition for sitting on the bench doing nothing.

Euro Players Rock! Go Warriors!

by monta.da.boss on Feb 4, 2010 10:54 PM PST up reply actions  

Speaks volumes about how good that frontline is.

heart of a champion, will of the warrior.

by cap'n hack on Feb 5, 2010 12:22 AM PST up reply actions  

Word. To think that Derek Fisher, one of the worst players in the NBA (much worse than CJ Watson, e.g.) is getting 27 minutes a game…

There will be no extra point!

by Sleepy Freud on Feb 5, 2010 12:30 AM PST up reply actions  

To think that Derek Fisher, one of the worst players in the NBA (much worse than CJ Watson, e.g.) is getting 27 minutes a game…

Cause he knows how to win, he’s got the rings to back up his 27 minutes while CJ just has a nice smile.

Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.

by Skeptic con Urquell on Feb 5, 2010 10:45 AM PST up reply actions  

Haha, how did I know you were going to post a silly retort involving the word “rings.”

My reply to you was going to include the words “Adam Morrison.” I mean, had I written one … ;-)

There will be no extra point!

by Sleepy Freud on Feb 5, 2010 11:03 AM PST up reply actions  

Fisher is going downhill now but there is no way that watson is better than he was.

by dubtown on Feb 5, 2010 10:47 AM PST up reply actions  

Maybe not, but by almost any measure he’s better than Fish is right now.

There will be no extra point!

by Sleepy Freud on Feb 5, 2010 11:00 AM PST up reply actions  

but by almost any measure

What about rings?

"I could be chasing an untamed ornithoid without cause."

by olympicmike on Feb 5, 2010 2:58 PM PST up reply actions  

Derek Fisher does only two things.

Hit clutch 3’s and flop like no other. He helps the Lakers win because of that….hehe. I don’t know. Its hard to grade Fish, because he brings alot in the playoffs when it comes to clutch shots and flopping, but in the regular season when they don’t need him he doesn’t play well.

Euro Players Rock! Go Warriors!

by monta.da.boss on Feb 5, 2010 3:28 PM PST reply actions  

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