What if Nellie doesn't break the record this year?
What if the unthinkable happens? When the season began I thought, there is no way the Warriors won't win 23 games. Right now the Warriors are sitting at 13-35 with many key players out till end of year. It's not unthinkable that the Warriors will NOT win 10 out of the remaining 34 games.
Taking a quick look at last years new coaches, Philadelphia, Washington, Sacramento, Minnesota, and Detroit all hired new coaches to start the 2009-2010 season. Of those teams, Washington, Sacramento and Minnesota possessed 3 of the 5 worst records. The other two belonged to Oklahoma City (who hired Scotty Brooks mid 2008-9 season and helped turn around there fortunes with a nice run at the end) and the Clippers (who just recently let Dunleavey go). Furthermore, the next five worst teams all had coaches who were in there first year(or mid season coaching change) in charge except the Golden State Warriors. Furthermore 3 coaches have been fired this year, 2 with better records than the Warriors at the time of the firing. By using virtually every other team's hiring and firing practice the Warriors for all intensive purposes should separate from Nelson, by latest at seasons end.
This year we will finish with a worst record than last year, which was already 19 wins less than the year before. I have the utmost respect for Nellie as a coach, his innovations, run-TMC, "We Believe" but the fact remains year by year this team has gotten worse. A lot of people will argue it's not his fault the team got dismantled, however it is very much his fault Al Harrington got traded for what is now Speedy Claxton and Raja Bell, he shares part of the blame for not keeping Baron Davis, a player who rejuvenated the franchise, and he's consistantly been at blows with everyone from our current "star" Monta to our raw youngsters who are in desperate need of some coaching.
Something Nellie said on yesterdays KNBR Radio show rung through to me on why he truly is NOT the right coach. He was asked the question, would he ever put a player into a situation to see how they respond? He said very firmly "NO!" His philosophy is clear, you have to show you can play a certain situation to play it. That;s fine for a veteran team, yet this team is anything but veteran. If he was the coach of Oklahoma city last year, would he have benched Westbrook for all his mistakes and played Earl Watson who was more NBA savvy. Would he have had a shorter leash with Durant and Green because of there inexperience? This team is losing, and will continue to lose with or without Nellie for the forseable future. But is keeping a man in charge, who isn't willing to give young, under-developed players enough game time to grow REALLY going to turn the Warriors around fast enough? We all know the answer. No! We need a patient, energetic young coach who can teach the young players and not lose patience with all the mistakes they will inevitably make.
However management will not fire Nelson because they want to capitalize on a marketing opportunity. The sad part is if he breaks the record this year it could very well be in the last couple games, and it will look like a joke. Congratulating a coach on a 23-59 season. However my biggest fear is he doesn't break it this year and we move forward with him, next year. One more season, of poor moves to appease an impatient coach. One more year of drafting the most "NBA Ready" player instead of perhaps the best player in 2-3 years time. One more year of losing, and god knows who demanding to leave. One more year of totally obscurity and being a total joke to the rest of the league.
I for one am REALLY fearful of this scenario happening. The Warriors finishing 21-61 (and at this point, i don't even see how they will win 8 more games, let alone the 10 Nelson needs)
This FanPost is a submission from a member of the mighty Golden State of Mind community. While we're all here to throw up that W, these words do not necessarily reflect the views of the GSoM Crew. Still, chances are the preceding post is Unstoppable Baby!
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I really wish
we had a strong GM that would force our coaches to play the younger guys (if and whenever healthy).
The Thunder broadcasters were mentioning how Brooks and Presti give their high lottery picks the opportunity to play and work through their struggles. Portland is very similar. I can only imagine that if we had fully ever embraced a youth movement without the Salesmen (I.E. RoHell) and sans the Don. If we had a younger, fresher mind coaching our young team I could envision a resurgence similar to the 08-09’ Trailblazers and now the 09-10’ Thunder.
Maybe it’s wild homerism on my part, but taking the optimistic route eases the pain of 14 out of 16 years. That and beer.
Warriors, Stupidest franchise in the league.
I told Randolph that Bill Russell would tell him to keep that ball in play and start the break.
RANDOLPH: "I know. But sometimes, you gotta let ‘em know."
(MT)
I lamented about this all year last year in regards to Randolph's playing time
But the majority of fans on this site, for whatever reason, didn’t want to hear it. “He makes too many mistakes! He deserves to sit!”. Such a complete joke. This team had no chance of making the playoffs either last year or this year, and still Nelson was willing to sacrifice the development of our youngsters so that Moore and Kurz could “teach Randolph a lesson.” Only one problem with that philosophy: whenever Randolph gets 30+ minutes, he puts up numbers. When did he play his best basketball of the season last year? When all the big men were hurt and Nellie had no choice but to play him through his mistakes.
It makes me sick to my stomach to hear people talk about how Nellie really helped this kid develop as a player. No, Randolph developed in spite of him.
by randolphforpresident on Feb 5, 2010 6:58 PM PST up reply actions
the majority of fans on this site, for whatever reason, didn’t want to hear it.
cause we wanted him to learn to play without hurting other players or himself which he obviously hasn’t done yet. Maybe the tweaked ankle will do the job?
Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Feb 5, 2010 7:08 PM PST up reply actions
Yeh Skeptic...
What is the lesson here? Don’t jump?
by randolphforpresident on Feb 5, 2010 10:39 PM PST up reply actions
What is the lesson here? Don’t jump?
No, play under control in a manner that will give the most production over a career not over a 5 minute span. Watch what some of the vets do and respect their game by understanding why they play that way.
Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Feb 7, 2010 9:46 AM PST up reply actions
On a matter of principle, the front office shouldnt care about Don Nelson and his record. They should only care if he is the best coach available and the best coach for the job. That isnt the case here.
I dont think the record is important because of some mythical ‘pr bonanza’. I would be suprised if ticket sales spiked upward because Nelson had close in on the record. The reason Nelson will be back next year, is that ownership isnt in this for the long run. Nellie can probably milk just as many wins from this team as the next guy, player development isnt a priority here. Nellie is signed for next season at 5+million, I have a hard time believing that ownership will fire him (meaning they still have to pay him) and go pay another coach. The record wont determine wether Nellie is back or not next season, money will.
Thing B
by warriorsscore110 on Feb 5, 2010 2:47 PM PST reply actions
The record...
talk about limping to the finish line. I could see how it would make for a good story if the team were doing ok, but as it stands nobody should care if he gets the record or not with how many losses are piling up.
"I could be chasing an untamed ornithoid without cause."
rightfully, the record should belong to me next year
But I am getting screwed by the league. However, EVERYONE knows I am the better coach, by far.
by larrybrownisnelliesmaster on Feb 8, 2010 10:46 PM PST reply actions
it's pretty obvious
no record this year – we’ll be seeing Nellie again next year. let’s face it, nellie has spent his entire career in the NBA and he doesn’t have a whole lot to show for it. No championships, a record of ugly disputes with players who demanded to be traded, each coaching job he’s had has ended with him getting fired, and a continual snub at getting into the Hall of Fame. The only snowball chance in hell that Nellie has of getting in the Hall of Fame is if he gets his ‘winningest coach’ record — and then, it’s still debateable. But Nellie isn’t going to retire until he has something to show for all these years of coaching — it’s not going to be a championship, so he’s going to hold out for however long it takes to get the winningest coach. Meanwhile, the Warriors will never be any better than they were last season as long as Nellie is in charge.
Nellie isn’t going to retire until he has something to show for all these years of coaching —
and he shouldn’t. It’s only about 11 more wins needed so no big deal. If we play out the season and get a top three draft position it will be a positive year. Look at how well that worked out for Okla? Next year Nellie gets his record and then he’s off to Maui and everyone’s happy.
Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Feb 9, 2010 9:33 AM PST up reply actions
A lot depends on if Cohan sells to Ellison.
Cohan appears to have money troubles, so it’s hard for him to take the $6m bite (well, really the $2-3m bite that a new coach would cost him). So it’s really hard to imagine Cohan firing Nellie.
But if Ellison takes over early in the offseason, Nellie is gone. No question. Record or no record.
The record has been totally devalued by the way in which Nellie is trying to win it.
if Ellison takes over early in the offseason, Nellie is gone. No question. Record or no record.
then Ellison would prove he’s a jerk and we could start looking for another new owner.
just let nellie finish off his career and give him a gold watch and a plane ticket home.
Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Feb 9, 2010 1:53 PM PST up reply actions
why should he?
if you bought the team wouldn’t you wanna run it YOUR way…..
I like nellie, riley and all personally. But we can do better. Correction: a new owner rejuvenating a franchise can do better. Coming in, and claiming a new day in golden state then KEEPING nellie would be a PR nightmare and kill all the momentum a new ownership would have. It’s a chance to start a new. No longer be the team no players want to go to. You can’t throw that away to get Nellie his record
why should he?
Because he’ be an outsider coming into the NBA with zero credentials and disrespecting the second winning coach in the league. Money can buy teams but it can’t buy class or respect for the game.
Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Feb 9, 2010 9:35 PM PST up reply actions
no way
thats the nature. You buy a company, all the exec’s will be out. You will bring your own people in. End of story….
thats the nature.
Well if that’s the case then we can hope Cohan doesn’t sell till history is made then he can reap the benefits instead of oracle man
but I kinda think a guy who can make that much money is a little smarter than that and would want to get off on the right foot in his NBA relations with players and fans?
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Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Feb 9, 2010 10:33 PM PST up reply actions
in theory i agree with what you're saying
BUT it’s not like Nellie is revered by fans. I like Nellie a lot, but considering what he did to Warriors with Webber (my first warriors jersey ever was a CWebb jersey… my second- sprewell, purchased the choke year.. but i digress) along w/ harrington, baron and others he’ll never be a Warrior legend. He’s a guy I love and hate. I’d like to see him get the record with the Warriors but, you gotta realize if he doesn’t get it, that means we’ve lost 60 games making us even less attractive than usual to players around the league. Alot of that unattractiveness is ownership.
Ellison coming in and not changing coach/management would send message “same old warriors” instead of saying “it’s a new day, a new organization, things will change”. I don’t think it’s feasible for any new ownership group to keep any of present management because of this. I know it’s harsh but thats business. All new owners tend to clean house particularly if they are taking over a bad organization. If you are in management and your company gets bought out, you just assume you’re going to be gone. Nellie, Riley, Rowell others are big boys, they’ll live

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