Warriors Cut Speedy Claxton and Lose $5.2 Million Trade Chip 12 Days Before Deadline
by Atma Brother ONE on Feb 6, 2010 3:47 PM PST
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PrintUpdate (2/7/10 8:48am): Make sure to check out Larry Riley Explains/Defends His Decision [Inside the Warriors] as well as Riley's video interview on CSN Bay Area in the Warriors Game Day Links.
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GSoM friend Marcus Thompson has the details over at Inside the Warriors in Warriors Inexplicably Give Up $5.2M Expiring Contract:
The Warriors made room for forward Anthony Tolliver on the roster by waiving point guard Speedy Claxton, who is injured and hasn't played all season. Yes, they did. Giving up Claxton's $5.2 million expiring contract, a valuable bartering tool, 12 days before the trade deadline for an NBA Development League call-up is just bad.
Bad.
Bad.
I don't get the logic behind it. The contracts of Claxton and Raja Bell ($5.25) gave the Warriors $10 million worth of expiring contracts to use on the trade market. Throw in Devean George ($1.6), and the Warriors had $12 million to trade with.
You know I thought the moniker "Golden State D-Leaguers" was a joke, but I guess not:
The Warriors have now given up $6.5 million in expiring contracts to keep NBA Development League call-ups. Don't forget, they gave up Mikki Moore's $1.3 million expiring contact to keep Hunter.
I'm sorry, but this franchise is just hopeless. This move reeks of the worst owner in all of sports Chris Cohan's continued incompetence. Given Larry Riley's past eloquence and reasonable logic, I have a hard time believing this was his move. Again this just wreaks of Cohan. It's a pure financial, cost-cutting move. It has nothing to do with basketball. It's cheap and...
Dumb.
Dumb.
and...
DUMB.
Who seriously cuts a potentially valuable $5.2 million dollar expiring contract 12 days before the annual NBA Trading Deadline?
Chris Cohan's Warriors.
That's who.
Also see Tim Kawakami's take Warriors throw away Claxton's $5.2M expiring contract
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unbelievable
but i guess it doesnt matter when your close to selling the team
It's just a plant, it grows in the earth, and if you happen to set it on fire there are some effects...
voted other:
I meant a bunch of words I would be banned for saying on this blog
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Really Dumb
It’s, quite frankly, that simple.
This is something that competent organizations don’t do.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Feb 6, 2010 4:01 PM PST reply actions
this just wreaks of Cohan?
Wouldn’t Nellie have some input into this?
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by Skeptic con Urquell on Feb 6, 2010 4:06 PM PST reply actions
I don't get the reasoning behind this?
What Tolliver is a healthy body? Cmon.
Rookie: "Why did you bench me?"
Nellie: "You're a rookie"
El. Oh. El.
It’s easy to overstate the primacy of an expiring contract. We weren’t likely to make a move, and we still have Raja’s contract to play with… I don’t think this will actually preclude anything from happening that should’ve happened. Still and all, if your calculus is that it’s worth punting on an expiring deal to help a crippled team, why the hell would you dump Speedy in February, instead of dumping Devean in December?
Incomprehensibly stupid. And no, Larry Riley’s hands are not clean here… the financial difference between dropping Speedy instead of Devean, when the other can just be dropped twelve days from now, is almost zero This was a basketball move, not a cost-cutting move. And it was asinine.
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How can you keep defending Riley and Nelson Atma. They have as much blame as anyone here. Afterall, Riley is the GM.
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Good question
In the past 23 years there is only ONE coach who has taken the Warriors to the playoffs. This same man has rebuilt the Warriors twice and both the Mavs and Bucks. (If you think the Warriors are horrible now- which they are- think even lower and you have the Mavs that Nellie rebuilt)
His eye for talent in the NBA is unmatched. Don’t let critics/ former GMs who demand he play the likes of Patrick O’Bryant, Kosta Perovic, or Marco Belinelli tell you otherwise.
Hint: He’s about to have the most wins all time for an NBA coach.
Riley is 1 for 1 in draft picks and honestly what is he supposed to do when the team’s “Captain” turns out to be a fraud and the team’s owner mandates cost-cutting? At least he doesn’t handcuff the team with silly signings/ extensions a la Chris Mullin. The jury is still out on Riley- he isn’t exactly working with a lot of resources here and you usually don’t evaluate/ fire GMs after less than a year on the job. Mullin got 4 years on the job even though it started out as a publicity stunt with a plethora of incredibly idiotic moves. I don’t get why so many people want to oust Riley so quickly.
Nellie and Riley aren’t perfect, but let’s be honest here. The problem is Chris Cohan.
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by Atma Brother ONE on Feb 6, 2010 4:32 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Nellie and Riley aren’t perfect, but let’s be honest here. The problem is Chris Cohan.
They’re all the problem, probably Riley the least.
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by monta.da.boss on Feb 6, 2010 4:48 PM PST up reply actions
Agreed that the main problem is Cohan.
I only fear that we’ll still suck once he’s gone. Then who will the Warrior faithful scapegoat?
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This same man has rebuilt the Warriors twice
and torn them up twice too so he’s back to even on the books. The problem with nellie is he’s only good at one part of the job and it’s not enough to deserve the benefit of the doubt. Montgomery has a better winning record as a coach and he wasn’t cut any slack so why for Nelson? Don’t confuse longevity with greatness, it might just mean he don’t know when to call it quits?
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by Skeptic con Urquell on Feb 6, 2010 7:26 PM PST up reply actions
Come on now
Look at how many coaches tried to bring the Warriors back to the Playoffs before the We Believe team. If you look back at recent seasons it doesn’t really look that bad on Nellie.
06-07 Season: We Believe. 42 Wins. Amazing Playoff run.
07-08 Season: Continuing the amazing play. 48 wins. Barely missed the playoffs.
08-09 Season: Baron opts out, Monta hurts himself on the moped. Bad year.
09-10 Season: The whole Warriors team is injured. Bad year.
That’s really not that bad of a comeback for Nellie. The first two seasons were amazing, the only complaint I have with Nellie in those two seasons was to let Foyle play a bit during the Jazz series, and for Nellie to play the bench more often in the 07-08 season. There’s not that many coaches out there who would have got Baron to play as good as he did during that time, though.
For the last two seasons, it’s debatable on whether or not it’s Nellie’s fault for Baron’s departure. Also, you can’t really blame Nellie for Monta’s moped accident; sure, Nellie could have prevented it by telling Monta not to do anything stupid, but Monta should have already had the common sense not to hurt himself like that. Some people might even say that Monta’s injury caused the Warriors to have such a bad season that year.
For the 09-10 season, I can understand why people are hating on Nellie. He caused us to lose a ton of winnable games. The thing is that we haven’t played enough games with a healthy team to fully evaluate how good we could be.
If we have been healthy this whole season, I have a feeling that there would have been a point where the team just “clicked” and got a ton of chemistry to get real hot just like the We Believe Warriors. Morrow’s stroke would have came back, Kelenna Azubuike would have improved his scoring, Anthony Randolph and Brandan Wright would have found their niche in the offense, Biedrins and Turiaf would have gone much harder on defense etc. etc. etc.
The past two seasons show that Nellie just has a hard time with injured teams.
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by Precise Films Productions on Feb 6, 2010 11:14 PM PST up reply actions
You must like losing
Or you haven’t watched the Warriors long enough.
by A'Seahawks_Warriors on Feb 6, 2010 11:35 PM PST up reply actions
The past two seasons show that Nellie just has a hard time with injured teams.
and they also show that nellie’s “system” causes a lot of injuries due to the pace and style of play needed to be competitive. As long as our boys are at a size dis-advantage and are required to go all out against better coached players they are gonna get hurt.
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by Skeptic con Urquell on Feb 7, 2010 12:35 PM PST up reply actions
"The past two seasons show that Nellie just has a hard time with injured teams."
No.
I’ve gone into this before, about how you can tell if a team is well-coached regardless of the talent level. It’s not about losing.
If the Warriors were losing just as badly as they are now, and playign with consistent energy and fire, that would excuse the coaching.
If the players seemed to understand and embrace their roles, as they do on well-coached teams, that would excuse the coaching.
If players were consistently being put in positions to utilize their skills to the maximum, regardless of whether or not that actually resulted in victories, that would excuse the coaching.
But no – even when he’s had the healthy pieces this year, Nelson has run Monta out there too much, run Maggette at the 4 (where he’s a liability) instead of the 3 (where he’s a strength). He’s left productive players on the bench and left other guys on the floor too long.
This is a badly coached team for reasons that having nothing to do with Ws and Ls.
It seems to me that getting the all-time victories record ...
Without ever winning a championship, and getting the record by limping home on two (at least, assuming he gets it this year) years of very bad teams where 90% of the fans want you fired, takes quite a bit of gloss off the record.
I don't think he's terrible.
He’s just not good. Not to mention, we won’t win any games with Don Nelson as coach. I thought he did a good job with the S-Jack trade. Terrible on Belinelli. Good on Crawford. Terrible waiving right here. I can’t get a grasp. He makes good moves, then really bad ones.
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by monta.da.boss on Feb 6, 2010 4:27 PM PST up reply actions
This is plain dumb move
Such moves are expected from this organization. They traded J-Rich for an injury prone player, they let Baron instead of extending him, they over payed for Maggette a money that could have been given to Baron, they signed two restricted free agents to for 11 and 9 mill a year rather then wait and match their salaries, they traded AL for Crawford only to trade him away for two bum players. They also traded Rocky for another injury prone player. And finally, they cut Speedy meaning “We are losers and will remain losers.”
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Did anyone know that Brandan Wright was injury prone when they made that trade?
by Reverend_Randy on Feb 6, 2010 5:10 PM PST up reply actions
What should have been said was.....
They traded J-Rich, the franchise’s cornerstone player (not to be confused with franchise player), for an unproven, inexperienced (even by rookie standards) draft pick. Which probably wasn’t the best move either.
I'd say the only thing wrong with that trade was the timing.
In hindsight maybe we should’ve just let the core stay together.
But lets not fool ourselves into thinking Jrich is a great player here. He was a shiny nickel on a pile of crap team.
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I'm not saying he was or is a great player
Though I always thought he was pretty underrated by non-Warrior fans. I’m just saying that at the time of the trade, he was the face of the franchise. And faces of a franchise aren’t normally traded for rookies on draft day.
Baron Davis has something to say about your "face of the franchise" bit..
by JimBarnett2KevinGarnett on Feb 6, 2010 8:25 PM PST up reply actions
Baron Davis has something to say about your "face of the franchise" bit..
Boom came in here respecting Jason’s place on the team and didn’t want him traded, they got along fine.
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by Skeptic con Urquell on Feb 6, 2010 11:02 PM PST up reply actions
The J-Rich trade wasn't really that bad
It could have set us up to land a great player since we already had a ton of guards. The problem is that after the J-Rich trade, we didn’t follow it up with another good move to utilize it’s potential.
The lack of a good move after the J-Rich trade makes it a bad trade. But if we used that 10 million TPE to land someone who could have helped us out, then the J-Rich trade would have been good.
Kind of like the Celtics trading for Ray Allen. It looked stupid at first, but when they got KG it made the Celtics look smart for getting Ray Allen beforehand since they ended up forming a deadly trio.
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by Precise Films Productions on Feb 6, 2010 11:20 PM PST up reply actions
But if we used that 10 million TPE to land someone who could have helped us out, then the J-Rich trade would have been good.
But the smart move would have been to keep Jason and let the playoff team play a full season together while looking for the big guy we needed at that time. Another second round playoff series would have done more to attract quality players and wins to the warriors than all the rookies we got.
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by Skeptic con Urquell on Feb 7, 2010 12:40 PM PST up reply actions
It today's economic climate, is it surprising that the Warriors don't want to add salary?
Yes, this is a short-sited move, but let’s be realistic about what Speedy’s contract was going to get us.
Not much. I doubt any of the major difference-makers is going to change teams.
All this move does is indicate that the Warriors aren’t interested in adding salary …
which shouldn’t surprise anyone, since we’ve got lots committed next year already.
Claxton
His contract was worth $5.2 million and if you combine that with Bell’s expiring contract which is worth $5.2 million as well, that’s over $10 million. Claxton’s contract was valuable if you ask me.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Feb 6, 2010 4:30 PM PST up reply actions
His contract was valuable but not surprising in warrior land … Wasn’t Riley the one saying that something big was going to happen ? That was probably it ! lol
by NIC26WARRIORS on Feb 6, 2010 4:32 PM PST up reply actions
Hear the lie
Riley approached the league about allowing the team to keep 16 guaranteed contracts because of their injury woes, but they couldn’t find an exception. The Warriors had to waive Claxton, whose $5.2 million contract was considered one of the team’s most attractive trade pieces.
“In looking at all of the conversations we have had, we decided that we have all of the right chips to get to the right salary if we need to make a deal,” Riley said. “We’re looking to acquire a quality player, and if that would require us giving up expiring contracts and taking on some salary, we’ll do that. We have to improve the quality of our team, and that’s going to take some expense at some point.”
Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/warriors/detail?blogid=39&entry_id=56784#ixzz0eo0KP5G0
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Nellie's comment of the year
Don Nelson loves D-Leaguers, and continuously tells the front office that his coaching can turn $660k players into players worth $4M.
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Well truth be told that DID happen with Kelenna Azubuike.
If you want to stretch that definition that did happen (somewhat) with Matt Barnes and probably with Anthony Morrow someday.
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by Atma Brother ONE on Feb 6, 2010 4:38 PM PST up reply actions
That really didn’t happen, with Kelenna Azubuike or anyone else. Nellie, Mullin, and the lot deserve a lot of credit for guys like Azubuike, CJ and Morrow, but it’s not because they were crap players that Nellie’s coaching magically turned useful… it’s that they were useful players that the team was smart enough to find. Nellie’s coaching didn’t turn DeMarcus Nelson or Rob Kurz or Cartier Martin or Jermareo Davidson or Coby Karl into anyone special, because those guys just aren’t as good. Matt Barnes was more useful in ‘06-’07 than in any other season of his career, but that’s mainly because he was fluky-hot from behind the arc. He sucked for Nellie in ‘07-’08, so it’s not like Nellie waved some wand that made him useful.
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Oh agreed. It’s an exaggeration just like Tim K’s quote, but Nellie/ Riley have been on record saying that the D-League can be mined for useful pieces. Compared to some of the former 1st/ 2nd rounders who are just hanging around because the GMs who drafted them are trying to not look dumb or their mythical upside, I’d have to agree. I’d saying they’ve gotten decent value.
I don’t think it’s so much about “coaching”, but rather giving them a chance and spotting some talent. That’s something that Nellie/ Riley/ Mullin have proven they’re willing to do. I can respect that.
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by Atma Brother ONE on Feb 7, 2010 11:58 AM PST up reply actions
I don’t think it’s so much about "coaching", but rather giving them a chance and spotting some talent. That’s something that Nellie/ Riley/ Mullin have proven they’re willing to do. I can respect that.
Its like shopping at goodwill for your wardrobe, your never going to build a solid playoff team by trying to find rejects that other teams somehow looked over…its being proven right here that it don’t work…
You have to be able to put together a trade that benefits the team not just lightens the payroll…
If that trade is not out there then you need to keep all your chips and go for it in the summer….to trade away your chips saying were not looking for a 20 mil a year man is idiotic, Riley looks like he belongs on the train tracks with the rest of the drunks as far as I can see….
I don’t see any plan at all, the reason they hide in secrecy is because there clueless, this last interview with Riley showed how inept this man is, I think he’s Don’s drinking buddy and little more…
I said it before, this is the Ship of Foo’s…..and until we get a new owner not much is going to change, all the goodwill for Riley is now gone, he is at his end and is talking like a defeated loser…it’s a shame because we have some good young players that could be built around if they would have went after a solid player last summer….I knew they weren’t. they have been conning us all along…
When Riley told us he was going for a solid big guy in the summer and then passed on everyone including Gooden and got Mikie Moore I knew we were doomed..
Thinking they could build the team was low paroll D-leagues players is ridiculous, we have Elmer Fudd for an owner and the three stooges RR,Riley and Nelson running the team..pathetic… ,my patience has run out..
I hate this deal sooo much...
does the amount of money waived count against our cap space or does it come off the cap space? Would be interesting if we were doing this to make room to acquire a player from a team that didn’t want speedy’s contract or didn’t have space for it.
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It still counts
That’s the killer part of this: IT COSTS THE WARRIORS MONEY. They still have to play Claxton because there is zero chance he gets picked up, at least for more than the minimum.
I understand we still have to pay him
But once we pay, is that money off of our cap space?
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No, but it doesn’t matter. He was insured for the season, we were not paying him any money, or at least not 80% of it. I don’t think this was a money move, i just think it was an incredibly stupid basketball decision.
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by monta.da.boss on Feb 6, 2010 5:47 PM PST up reply actions
My question
Why is Chris Hunter still in this team? He was an insurance policy for Turiaf and Biedrins. Now that both Centers are back, wouldnt it made sense to cut Hunter and keep Tolliver?
Am I missing something?
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Their arguement is
he is a healthy body….
But this is a lost season anyways…so dumb to throw away a valuable trade chip right before the deadline…
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I voted Other
And I feel bad for you all, but it is good for the D-League.
If it were me, like many of you, I would’ve just cut Chris Hunter.
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Most wanted to keep Toliver, we are just angry that we waived an excellent trade piece two weeks before the trade deadline when we could have waived George or Hunter.
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Auction to be held
Riley: For all the NBA GMs, fire sale will begin today until trading deadline. We are accepting two for one deals only. We only want expiring contracts or low payed player.
Ellis and Biedrins
Maggette and Randolph
Radmanovic and Morrow
Only player not available is Curry (our fans will kill us)
Cohen: Call Ellison, we plan on selling this team after the auction for 350 million.
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If this happens
I’ll forgive the dubs for making dumb moves.
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We cut speedy
So we can trade Maggs for 2 players.
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We just threw away $6.5M expirings contracts (Claxton and Mikki) to keep D-Leaguers, if we trade Maggette, we need to include someone like AR cause we dont have anymore trading chips. I predict a fire sale.
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Bell
He’s a trade chip.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Feb 6, 2010 4:53 PM PST up reply actions
So they'll trade Randolph instead of Bell, the player they primarily got as a trading chip?
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by Reverend_Randy on Feb 6, 2010 5:13 PM PST up reply actions
Was Tolliver Worth it?
I didn’t think he was that good. I haven’t watched the last 2 Warrior games because I’ve been disappointed with how the team was playing, but I remember Tolliver just taking a bunch of shots (especially 3’s) and missing. I think it’s REALLY dumb especially for a 5.2 million expiring contract that could be a great trade bait.
Riley might have a plan
Read this:
Riley approached the league about allowing the team to keep 16 guaranteed contracts because of their injury woes, but they couldn’t find an exception. The Warriors had to waive Claxton, whose $5.2 million contract was considered one of the team’s most attractive trade pieces.
“In looking at all of the conversations we have had, we decided that we have all of the right chips to get to the right salary if we need to make a deal,” Riley said. “We’re looking to acquire a quality player, and if that would require us giving up expiring contracts and taking on some salary, we’ll do that. We have to improve the quality of our team, and that’s going to take some expense at some point.”
Riley said the team is not looking at players in the $20 million range, instead those between $10-14 million. Though he didn’t discuss names, that points to Caron Butler, Luol Deng, Andre Iguodala, Al Jefferson and Tayshaun Prince — all of whom are being shopped.
Riley said he has talked to all but two teams in the last week, and he plans to meet with many general managers during the All-Star break in Dallas.
Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/warriors/detail?blogid=39&entry_id=56784#ixzz0eo76tBiU
If he’s trying to get a guy in the 10-14 million dollar range, then he may not need Speedy’s contract. Although I still don’t think they should have gotten rid of Speedy’s contract, it might not have been needed anyway. I still think a deal involving Maggette/Biedrins/Turiaf (maybe they kept Hunter because they are getting ready to trade one of their bigs), Bell, and CJ for one of the players in the article is possible.
How is that?
This is what Tim Kawakami had to say about Riley.
“Riley told reporters that he gave up Claxton’s $5.2M because the Warriors weren’t looking to add a $20M a year player and still had other pieces to trade.
Uhh, Larry? Your total expirings added up to $12M WITH Claxton, which is significantly less than $20M.
Without Claxton, the expirings total $7.8M. I don’t understand what you’re saying, unless you’re subconsciously including Ellis, Biedrins and/or Maggette in the trade conversation.
Are you?
- Let’s see what the GSWs do with Raja Bell’s $5.2M and Devean George’s $1.6M expirings.
But if they can’t even hold onto Claxton’s deal for another 12 days to see what’s available, it’s hard to imagine Riley can get something good done with Bell and George.
I’ll repeat: Two NBA executives have told me that the Warriors are not having serious discussions about deals involving any of their major expiring contracts."
Now explain this to me duballers23
What makes you think the Warriors want to add any salary especially 14 mill range?
My guess this team will start fire sale either now or in the off season
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No one was going to trade talent for $12 M in expiring, subpar players
by Reverend_Randy on Feb 6, 2010 5:14 PM PST up reply actions
I suspect that’s true. I would also suspect the Dubs are taking a middle-ground, as in, we’ll give up only one big expiring, because giving up two is too expensive. I think this was probably an attempt at a happy medium. If we can pick up Caron Butler, we’ll be in great shape. Who could complain about letting Speedy go for him? With a healthy team with him at the 3, we’ll be solid, without the Stephen Jackson drama.
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Your making stupid excuses for moves that will never happen, wake up and smell the coffee !!!
There is no rhyme or reason that makes much sense for the moves they have made this last year unless there trying to sell the team…..they have been downgrading not upgrading…that’s why Jack wanted out….he smelled the coffee….
The goodwill of the people has run out….It’s time to hold them accountable for what there doing….
They have gone bankrupt when it comes to trusting there motives, they have not followed through on anything…so they deserve no optimism, they need to speak to the fans and appease there fears, but there to inconsiderate to do so…..it’s a shamful way to run a team…
Your [sic] making stupid excuses…
I think it’s an irrelevant move, if they’re not looking for a 15 million+ salary guy. If they’re going for an 11 million type guy, Bell is worth more and has about the same contract.
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I think it’s an irrelevant move, if they’re not looking for a 15 million+ salary gu
They have several 11 mil type of guys right now and how good are they? that is nothing more than an admission they don’t want a playoff type team, every good team has a 15 mil dollar guy,,,,
All there doing is milking the fans fo all its worth…they don’t have a real plan at all…….that last interview with Riley showed how ship wrecked they actually are…
As Riley said, we simply can’t get that guy… well, maybe a 15 mil. guy but not better than that. Riley specifically said that it’s going to be at most 15 million. Who are we going to get anyway? Name the guy that we’re going to get that could change us? The guys on the trading block right now are not going to turn us around. Period. We can get better.. maybe much better. I’ve love to have Iguadala, for example. But I don’t think Claxton is the difference in that trade, do you?
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Who could complain about letting Speedy go for him?
But they didn’t need to let him go right now just to keep hunter on the bench? If Dre or Rony went down again they could always get another emergency big. There must be something rotten in the state of Golden?
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by Skeptic con Urquell on Feb 6, 2010 7:36 PM PST up reply actions
I don’t think so. George is healthy enough to play, while Claxton is not. I think they’ve been planning on letting at least one expiring expire. If that’s the case, then this has no effect on any trade they intend to make. Yeah, maybe it’s cheap, but then again, can you name a 15 mil.+ guy the Warriors could get? This move is irrelevant, other than the fact that it allows us to keep Toliver, which is a good thing.
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maybe it’s cheap, but then again, can you name a 15 mil.+ guy the Warriors could get? This move is irrelevant, other than the fact that it allows us to keep Toliver, which is a good thing.
Wouldn’t it make more sense to keep the option open till after the trading deadline and just get rid of hunter or KobeCarl to keep toliver?
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by Skeptic con Urquell on Feb 6, 2010 11:05 PM PST up reply actions
Not really. Keeping Carl and Hunter, they are paying people to play or at least be on the bench in case of more injuries. They are free to sit semi-healthy players, getting them rest, whenever they choose. I think it’s partly to keep everyone healthy and keep options open. Keeping Claxton, they are not paying him to play. They’re getting nothing out of him on the court. As far as efficiently spending money goes, Claxton made sense.
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They’re getting nothing out of him on the court. As far as efficiently spending money goes, Claxton made sense.
maybe after the trading deadline but for now I don’t see it. All we’re getting from KobeCarl or Hunter are bricks and benchwarming?
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by Skeptic con Urquell on Feb 7, 2010 12:43 PM PST up reply actions
At least have some to play, with them. Riley tried to work with the league to have 16 players on the team. The NBA wouldn’t budge on it, as the rules are rules. Ideally, they would have kept Claxton, but the injury situation with Randolph being gone long-term, demanded that they keep big guys. What if Biedrins or Turiaf need to sit more? Who will they put in? Maggette hasn’t been too healthy, either. He could use some rest. Even Nellie admits he’s been playing too much. We have the option to put in George, Hunter and Toliver, because of this decision. It’s not illogical to me.
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We have the option to put in George, Hunter and Toliver, because of this decision. It’s not illogical to me.
But they don’t play hunter much and KobeCarl seems redundant with Curry, Montay, and CJ all healthy. What if someone was looking around and woulda given us a Gasol type deal but we don’t have the expiring contract anymore? Why would it have hurt to keep it for a couple more weeks?
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by Skeptic con Urquell on Feb 8, 2010 10:47 AM PST up reply actions
Dude
You need to read the whole thing. I put Maggette, Biedrins, Turiafs name in their as guys who could be included in a deal with Bell. You could throw in Wright as well. And going by what Riley said, "We’re looking to acquire a quality player, and if that would require us giving up expiring contracts and taking on some salary, we’ll do that. We have to improve the quality of our team, and that’s going to take some expense at some point.", I think that they would be willing to take on some extra salary. Like I said, just wait and see what happens at the trade deadline, then you can be mad or not.
Bro
Lets not pretend as the sign is very clear after dumping Claxton contract. No team would ever dump $5.2 mill two weeks before trading deadline. Most team would start dumping after the trading deadline, thats when buyouts and cuts are made. By cutting Claxton now, GSW is telling the whole NBA that we are not trading away our expiring contract, matter fact it reveals that they would only trade guys like Maggette, Ellis and Biedrins for another expiring contracts. If we are mad now, wait two weeks and most probably we will see the fire sale begin. Nelson loves D Leaguers and expect some more to come, maybe we bring back Martin after we cut Bell after the trading deadline.
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I disagree. We desperately need personnel and were on a deadline to trade Tolliver. Tolliver seems significantly better than Hunter so far and seems to have potential. If Nellie can turn Tolliver into a solid backup 4, that’s worth much more than Speedy’s contract, as a trade piece or as a keeper.
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Our 12mill in expirings
would not bring one of those 10-14 mill players to us because the teams looking to make deals aren’t looking for absolutely nothing in return. It’s gonna take a player like Beans, Ronny, Maggs or AR4 along with expirings to get a deal done. Riley either has a plan in place or Cohan is trying to dump salary to get the team sold. Either way it’s fine.
Most pathetic
So they traded Capt Jack for Bell who we all knew that he is injured and Radmanovic. Riley said that he would use claxton and Bell as trading chip. We cut Claxton meaning we gave up Crawford for free as cost cutting, now if we dont trade Bell, that means we traded Jackson for nothing. We would save over the next year but really what we gained is Radmanovic and his 6.5 player option.
Look at what we could have had if we traded Capt Jack to Cleveland. We could have had knucklehead Delonte West and Wally’s expiring contract. At least I know West can play defense and score rather then Radmanovic. This organization have no clue and the best thing is for Cohan to sell this team.
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The Dubs didn’t want to deal with West’s personal problems. You know he’s still scheduled for a court hearing for carrying multiple weapons? Just what we need, a guy with serious emotional problems who likes to carry weapons and is in trouble with the law. Playing for a bad team could send the guy over the edge. He’s already missed games due to his personal problems, and that’s on a good team with good morale.
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Let's just wait until the deadline to see if they make a deal
Then we’ll know whether to be mad or not.
I don't get it
They still have to pay Speedy’s salary, so it’s not saving Cohan any money. So, does that mean it really was a basketball move to keep Tolliver? We have less trade chips now, but were we really expecting anything more then to let them all expire anyway.
It shows that they weren’t planning on trading him for a big contract. In that sense, it shows they’ve officially committed to have at least 5 mil. come off the books at the end of the year. If they took on a new player with a similar contract, they’d have to pay that and pay again and again for every year that player’s contract is for.
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Speedy contract is covered by insurance.
So if they picked up someone else, they would have to pay in this case insurance company is paying..
No Excuse For This:
I find it nothing more than utter incompetence, this was also set up by the idiotic statement of Riley pretending he coulden’t make a move for a star player after he promised it last month..
The time has come for the fans to truly do something to get the attention of the national media..the whole NBA needs to know how the fans of the GSW feel about their team….
The fastest way is to make T-shirts and signs to take to the games that show how the real fans feel about the incompetence of the FO…..
Plaster the net and send memos to all the sports witters, continue to organize a protest and a boycott, you have to reach the casual fan and make them aware that it’s not in the long term best interests of the teams to support this origination….we are demanding Cohen either give up the team or have a gigantic loss at the box office..
The only way to hurt them is in the pocketbook…things are not getting better there getting worse…
your plan has a problem
having fans take tshirts and signs to the games, is still going to the games. fans need to boycott the games. season ticket holders need to not renew for next year.
THAT’s the only way Cohan is hurt in the pocket book.
your plan has a problem
I realize that, but you can’t expect those people that bought season tickets to forfeit them, so the way to make a statement is for those fans to show there protest by bringing signs and makeing there statements, I bet they would not even show the sign on TV, it would have to be a nationally televised game and it would have to be orchestrated very well, maybe to much to ask or get done.
The national media is the only way to put pressure on ownership, to let the whole media know that the GSW fans are sick and tired and there not gonna take it anymore.
If the boycott was organized correctly it would send a powerful message also, when they seen the unity of the fans banding together to boycott the team that would send some shock waves…I’m sure there are bright people on GSOM that could come up with the details, I will support those endeavors fully.
We need a change, it’s heart wrenching to see the team so decimated and the FO so inept that can’t do a thing about it, acting as if the D-league is going to help, letting go of a bargaining chip, this is the most pathetic display of leadership I have ever seen, just one blunder after another….
New Roster after trade deadline
Starters
Curry
Morrow
Martin
Tolliver
Turiaf
Bench
CJ
Karl
George
AR
Hunter
Best SG D Leaguer
Best SF D Leaguer
Injured
Wright
Buike
Fans showing up to the games 10,000 which equals to Cohan selling the team
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The NBA should not allow an owner on his way out to destroy a franchise, there should be safe guards against this type of thing…
This FO is a bunch of liars who are nothing more than puppets for a pay check….You can’t believe anything they say, there worse than the politicians that continually lie to their constituency……
Has anyone noticed how inconsiderate the FO is towards the fans? they do nothing to appease there fan base, they hide and try to deceive us at every turn, there is no honesty or integrity, they have not followed through on any promises, they shroud themselves in secrecy without the lest bit of concern how it afftes the fans….this is just an awful organization from pillar to post…
That is an unbelievably bad trade. Ellis and Biedrins together probably have enough value to extract a really great player. Maggette’s trade value is pretty high now ( as in tradeable) . So we get expirings and a good player in Landry for 3 good players.
I don’t get why you constantly post the same exact things over and over again.
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by monta.da.boss on Feb 6, 2010 5:51 PM PST up reply actions
Dude
There will be a fire sale, all signs point to that, why would GSW cut Claxton, when they could have used his expiring plus Bell and George to get players from teams trying to enter 2010 sweepstake. You have Wizards, Philly, Bulls, Heat, New York, Indiana, Suns, Utah, Houston and more trying to trade high payed players. If GSW wanted to add a salary, they had 12 mill to get someone like Butler, J-Rich, Loul Deng, Ak47 and etc available to them. GSW dont care about wining and Cohan must have financial problems. I wont be suprised if Ellis is traded to Minnesota for Blount and Wilkins. Anything is possible with this organization that cuts an expiring contract two weeks before trading deadline.
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Could we really not make a decent trade that used Claxtoon somehow?
I am just becoming more and more PO’ed with this Front Office….Robert Rowell you are truly full of horse doo doo with your ‘big changes BS comments’ that you made last summer.. I dont actually blame Riley, I think his hands are pretty much tied….
Cohan…. you are, have been and continue to be a destroyer of this team. What an incredible piece of female genitalia you truly are!
Sell the team already…. let’s get someone in that can actually take an interest in the Golden State Warriors. Maybe…..just maybe…. some true action will now be taken at games… time to get the media invoved to get this ‘male chicken’ out.
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We could
The least thing we could have done was trade Claxton to the Bulls for Salmons and Bulls would be happy with that trade since they trying to move Salmons, Thomas and Hinrich. They want to get Wade plus Bosh next year.
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Puff Daddy, paying salmons or hinrich 6-8 million a year for a couple more years isn’t smart at all. Letting Speedy’s contract expire is better than trading it for a bad contract.
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by monta.da.boss on Feb 6, 2010 11:18 PM PST up reply actions
I don’t think Riley should be excused at all, he has the choice to walk out if he thinks his moves are hurting the team…he is culpable with Rowell and Cohan:
They are not honest with there fans, they show utter disdain for us by constantly makeing moves that don’t help the team…..I understand that the fans don’t own the team but I also understand without the fans you have no team and good management would have proper relations with the fans to keep them informed the best they can…
These guys are alwayse pretending something is going on that can’t be let out when if the truth be known they have nothing going on period….I know without a doubt I could run this team better then these jokers…
Brandon Roy will miss the All Star game
I guess Ellis will make it.
http://www.blazersedge.com/2010/2/6/1298937/brandon-roy-will-miss-the-all-star?ref=yahoo
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Oh Wow
I think Monta might actually get it. I know I’ve been saying that Westbrook and Brooks might be ahead, but he’s been getting a lot of media attention lately with his circus shots and his 46 points.
Stern better pick Monta because Roy was picked as the backup shooting guard not just one of the last two guys picked who can be from any positon. So he should definitely pick a guard and that would be Monta.
Westbrook and Brooks are good, but they would not be able to perform at a level anywhere near Monta if they had to carry the load every game.
I really hope Monta gets in
But Stern might again be a Warrior-hater and pick Chris Kaman.
by Morrow is wet!!! on Feb 6, 2010 6:50 PM PST reply actions
Here's Larry Riley with the media today
If this link doesn’t work, maybe Atma can embed it in his post. Otherwise, you’ll have to wait until the post game links are up.
The Warriors FO is a Joke
This is a generally horrible deal, as has been often mention here. Clearly, some people are starting to believe me that Larry Riley is a complete puppet GM, and I would guess he only gets a little input on these decisions, so it’s difficult to pin all the blame on him. Most certainly, Cohan is at work here, and this does seem to set the table for a salary dump trade and a sale.
But I’ll try to offer at least a few reasons for this deal:
1. I think the Warriors were embarrassed when they only had 4 eligible players against the Bucks, and they don’t want it to happen again. Bad organizations such as this one often are more concerned about appearances than reality.
2. Cohan must have told Riley and Nellie that he would not sign off on acquiring a big contract at the deadline. Knowing this, Riley felt Claxton was useless and cut him.
3. Most likely, the Warriors will not be adding any salary at the deadline, and they will let the George and Bell contracts expire.
Ok, that’s all I got. Chris Hunter is a stiff and Nellie doesn’t play him anyway, so why keep him? Ugh, this team stinks.
I'm having deja vu
from the J-Rich/B-Wright 10million dollar trade exception they sat on for a year and let expire
by JimBarnett2KevinGarnett on Feb 6, 2010 8:40 PM PST reply actions
Al Harrington for Jamal Crawford
Jamal Crawford for Anthony Tolliver ladies and gentlemen.
That is ridiculous.
by A'Seahawks_Warriors on Feb 6, 2010 11:13 PM PST reply actions
Ooops. Good catch. Thanks.
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by Atma Brother ONE on Feb 7, 2010 9:19 AM PST up reply actions
Monta making the all-star game
will do nothing more than put more money in Cohan’s pockets. He leads the league in turnovers and his team is 13-36 he does not need to be in the ASG. Westbrook is the 2nd best player on the Thunder and they are 29-21. He deserves to be there. Besides there are no all-stars from sub .500 teams, so don’t hold your breath.
Really dumb move.
I voted it over really cheap because getting a player like Andre Iguodala, Antawn Jamison, Al Jefferson or Caron Butler and their contracts do not help us either. We would be over the lux tax and capped out for years to come by getting players like that. Besides, we have those almost-star type of players already. If it was for getting an all-star like Chris Bosh or Brandon Roy, then it would be a different story, but I doubt any all-star players are available right now.
I rather have seen Riley trade Speedy’s contract for someone like Tyrus Thomas. Thomas would be a $6.25 M expiring next year if he did not work out here and a valuable trade chip. With the right coach and situation, he could be a Shawn Marion type player. The other guy I’d like to get would be Channing Frye as center for the Warriors. He can run, shoot and pass and comes with a $2 M price tag, so if PHX is amenable, then Riley should go after him. I didn’t get why the Warriors did not go after Frye during the summer.
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