2 Reasons the Warriors shouldnt draft John Wall
by J-RIDAH on Feb 7, 2010 5:52 PM PST
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PrintHe is not a better Passer or Scorer than Stephen Curry and he is not a better defender than Monta.Nor can he score better than monta.He may be a better passer than Monta but what good is having a Shooting guard that can pass good?Since its starting to look like the Dubs will have a good shot at winning the Lottery and getting that number 1 spot I hope Larry Riley dont listen to what everyone is saying with Wall being the guaranteed 1st pick for any team.Wall is not the best player in the nation.That title goes to Evan Turner.Turner is a better scorer than Wall.A better defender than wall.A better Passer than wall.Only thing he does not have that wall has is hype.A few writers around the country are starting to agree with me.
http://espn.go.com/blog/collegebasketballnation/post/_/id/2218/john-wall-is-your-pretend-player-of-the-year
http://www.annarbor.com/sports/um-basketball/evan-turners-back-gains-ground-on-john-wall-in-player-of-year-voting/
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Krazy max and you are really putting a permanent dent in your reputation around here with your trolling.
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At least they have some left :/
You’ve been trolling 24/7 for the last month or so
by A2mm2o on Feb 7, 2010 6:07 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Who? You?
You’re kinda angry every time i say Kobe isn’t the best player, and that Gasol/ Shaq are better. Then someone like Sleepy shows you the stats and a well thought out argument, and then you say, " No!"
So yeah.
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by monta.da.boss on Feb 7, 2010 6:11 PM PST up reply actions
LOL
soooo true.
But Krazy has been trolling the most it seems…this anti-wall first pick talk is just rediculous
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If you look at the college numbers (not a be-all measure, but an underrated one) the idea that Evan Turner might end up a better pro than John Wall at least seems like a subject on which reasonable people can disagree. The same can’t really be said for Krazee’s “Monta is better than Kobe” trolling or Ammo’s “Kobe is better than LeBron” trolling. I’m not sure which of the two campaigns is nuttier …. I mean, Ammo trolls his line on a more regular basis, but Krazee trolls his with more conviction, more wasted words, and more tortured use of statistics. And while Ammo more or less stays on the anti-LeBron point, Krazee stretches his point ever deeper into madness by seriously comparing Monta to Jordan. Plus Ammo’s anti-LeBron posts generally bear the obvious marks of trolling (brief snarky swipes at anyone who disagrees with him, poor command of English, knee-jerk disparaging of stat nerds, etc.) while Krazee’s posts, on the face of them, almost appear well-reasoned … till you get into the actual crazy substance of what he’s saying.
Verdict: Krazee’s campaign is probably crazier, by a nose. But I think by now most GSoM regulars are aware that anything Ammo writes involving the word “LeBron” and anything Krazee writes involving the word “Monta” should be marked “for entertainment purposes only.”
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by Sleepy Freud on Feb 7, 2010 8:04 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Is'nt Turner 2 years older than Wall?
I think that factors heavily. Wall and Turner may be close equals now, but Wall is younger and probably the best freak athlete to come out since Lebron.
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Yea, but still Turner is just 21 in his own right.
Not like the development curve drops after that.
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I told Randolph that Bill Russell would tell him to keep that ball in play and start the break.
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Yeah, from what I’ve read and seen, I would definitely take Wall over Turner, Cousins, et al. with the #1. But I do think college production tends to be underrated in the draft relative to “potential.” Turner’s numbers when he went down to injury were tantalizingly awesome, where Wall’s, while very solid for a Freshman, don’t immediately yell “franchise” to me (the rebounding numbers, for a guy with his crazy hops and physique and long arms, are especially uninspiring to date).
In any case, since what we’re doing in projecting the two is making educated guesses about them based on a combo of numbers and scouting, a reasonable discussion on the subject can be had. On the other hand: saying that Monta is a modern-day Jordan or that Lebron is only good ’cos the refs love him is not remotely conducive to reasonable discussion. And saying it repeatedly is just textbook trolling.
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I’m glad i wasn’t included here, like Losthawk thinks i should.
On to the point. It seemed like today, a bunch of random posters just came on here and had a trolling campaign.
Freerandolph’s nice post was completely demolished by posters with different agenda’s. The main comments on there is about John Wall sucks and that Monta is a superstar. The post was about Speedy’s contract going to waste…. i sense a problem there.
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by monta.da.boss on Feb 7, 2010 8:14 PM PST up reply actions
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by Dubs fan in Boston on Feb 8, 2010 9:56 AM PST up reply actions
We're not lucky enough to get the #1 pick anyway..
Anywhere from 3rd-6th pick will be the usual Warriors luck.
If we somehow do get the number 1 pick, then we’ll worry about these sort of threads.. But for now, there’s simply no need for them.
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Regardless of what you guys think of Wall
Pros:
He is one of the best PG defenders that has come out of the draft in a LONG time.
He is one of the best ATHLETES to come out of the draft in a LONG time.
He has AMAZING vision.
He is as fast as Monta Ellis.
He is big for a point.
He is VERY clutch.
Cons:
He can be lazy and go too fast and cause a turnover….seems he hasn’t totally learned to control his speed yet.
If you have the first pick, he’s the only choice.
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If we don't get the first pick...which is more than likely
We should be arguing over who we pick with the #2-6 picks, NOT the first…the first pick is automatically Wall, simple as that.
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Not so sure.
I’m not saying don’t pick Wall #1. IF he is the consensus #1 come draft time, and we hold the first selection, we take him no matter what. Then we’d have to figure out what to do with 3 lead guards. I’m not so sure the Warriors would know what to do that’s best for the team.
I’d advocate a trade down and gain another asset while picking up Turner or Cousins. I think Wall has become a little too overrated right now. He’s not the best prospect since LeBron. I think Durant was way better as a prospect. Cousins has had just as much of an impact as Wall has now. His statistical production cannot be argued. Neither can Turner’s resume. He is just a beast this year.
Honestly, my feeling right now is that as long as we’re picking top 3, we should get a really good player that could contribute right away (I think Wall, Turner, Cousins are all Top-3 interchangeable).
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1 reason to pick john wall
He’s the best overall talent, and when you have the first pick, you pick the best player
by scraider3 on Feb 7, 2010 7:03 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
This is one post is very asinine
Think about it
You would rather have Monta than John Wall who is like a better Derrick Rose
If the Warriors got wall, they could trade Monta for Luol Deng
but no you would rather keep Monta.
John Wall is 19 and already better than Monta. He also is bigger than Monta and adds size to our frontcourt. He will grow taller too to 6’5 and will gain wait. He is a better athlete than Monta. He also is 15-20lbs heavier and 1-2 inches taller
I call BS.
Wall isn’t that big. In fact he looks just as skinny and slightly less lanky than Monta. I’ve heard reports saying he’s only 6’2’’, but maybe we should wait till the draft measurements are done.
Not sure why you think he’s going to be 6’5’’ yet.
Not sure why you’d also want to trade Monta for JUST Luol Deng. Chicago would have to be adding some value for me to make a move there. I just don’t see a need on the Chicago side as well.
I’m not so sure it’s just as simple as equating Wall > Monta. We already know what we have with Monta, who is only 23 in his own right. Curry has also shown some very nice development the last couple of months. I’m fine with letting them develop and also to gain some consistency at the guard position. If you watch Turner, you could easily see how slotting him in at the 3 spot is like a match made in heaven.
I’m currently favoring a potential lineup of Curry/Monta/Turner/AR/Beans rather than a Wall/Curry/Monta/AR/Beans small ball lineup.
Playing Turner could allow us to play the top wing scorer with a + defender. This would allow Monta to focus on scoring. The thing he does best. Turner is also a facilitator from the wing position which would be great on a team without a true point. Could take the burden off Curry as well. Turner is also a monster rebounder right now. That’s always a plus for me.
Cousins on the other hand is a true beast right now. He’s easily ahead of Favors, Aldrich, and Davis as the best frontcourt player in the NCAA. He’s the low post threat we could use that also rebounds. I’d love a Beans/Cousins center tandem. Easily one of the better duos in the league. The only true problem exists with Nellie. He’s not the type of coach that would coddle Cousins like Cal is doing. Cal pushes him, but does it gently. He tries to get him involved early to get him motivated it seems.
Either way, with Cousins’ skillset and NBA size, he shouldn’t wait in the green room very long.
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I told Randolph that Bill Russell would tell him to keep that ball in play and start the break.
RANDOLPH: "I know. But sometimes, you gotta let ‘em know."
(MT)
He is listed as 6'4 and 195
so thats why I believe he will be 6’5. He is only 19 and he is still growing so its definitely possible he could grow a couple inches and gain 5 lbs
by MJ5 on Feb 7, 2010 7:57 PM PST up reply actions
else do you think we could get for Monta better than Deng
by MJ5 on Feb 7, 2010 7:58 PM PST up reply actions
I'd rather have Iggy than Deng. If we're going for overpriced players that is.
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I told Randolph that Bill Russell would tell him to keep that ball in play and start the break.
RANDOLPH: "I know. But sometimes, you gotta let ‘em know."
(MT)
The more I think about it the more I realize that the 76 ers will not trade Iguodala for Monta
First they won’t take on another long contract they want expirings.
Also Can you imagine how horrible a Monta/ Lou Williams backourt would be. I cannot begin to imagine how horrible the defense would be
by MJ5 on Feb 7, 2010 8:41 PM PST up reply actions
Monta is 6’2 with a 6’2 wingspan.
Wall is probably 6’3.5 with a 6’6 wingspan. They always list guys about a half inch to an inch more than what they are.
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by monta.da.boss on Feb 7, 2010 7:59 PM PST up reply actions
Yes, well Wall definitely has Monta beat in wingspan and vertical jumping.
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I told Randolph that Bill Russell would tell him to keep that ball in play and start the break.
RANDOLPH: "I know. But sometimes, you gotta let ‘em know."
(MT)
We’ll see when the draft combine measurements come out, but I would bet Wall has a bigger wingspan than that. Rose was 6’2.5 in shoes with a 6’8 wingspan, and Wade was 6’4.75 in shoes with a 6’10.75 wingspan. To be fair to Ellis he came in at 6’3.25 in shoes at the combine, so his 6’3 is legit, but he only had a 6’2.75 wingspan, which is awful…
by Missing Barry on Feb 8, 2010 7:27 AM PST up reply actions
LOL john wall is already better than monta?? lol what a tool. Sorry I dont think any college freshmen is better than a 26 ppg scorer in the nba.
maybe they will end up be not now. clown.
Then quite possibly, you could be wrong.
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Then quite possibly, you could be wrong.
and it don’t matter if Wall is as good as today’s Montay , it matters that he’s better than the rookie Montay which is about a comparable age.
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by Skeptic con Urquell on Feb 7, 2010 10:18 PM PST up reply actions
I dare you any of you who support not picking John Wall
tell people on our other sites that you would rather have Monta than John Wall and watch their reaction.
I’ve told ppl on other sites this and about 65% of them disagree with me.I dont give a damn tho.Yesterday John Wall couldnt help us beat OKC.But Evan Turner or Demarcus Cousins could have.Especially Evan Turner because he has the speed and reach to defend Kevin Durant.He could also defend Carmelo Anthony and Most of the 3’s in the league besides Lebron.When its time to Play the Lakers 4 times a season who will we have guarding Kobe?Wall?
Turner is 2 years older than Wall
and yet they are very close to equal right now. Wall is much more of a freak athlete, and just learning how to control his speed.
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Thats my main thing. Turner could be a Brandon Roy type of player, which is great, but it’s more likely Wall’s talent will translate to the pro’s better.
It’s not a given that Turner’s production will remain similar in the pro’s. It’s odd to see someones production increase so much in one year. His rebounding and passing came out of nowhere. Was it because of team need and an increased role, or was it a legitimate improvement by the player… Probably both.
Athleticism in the NBA is a very important skill to have. It seperates players like Morrow and Curry with much better players. John Wall has great athleticism, and a nice skill set to go with it. He isn’t like a Derozan, he is talented in shooting and passing. Maybe not a great 3 point shooter, but much better than a Rose/ Rondo. Is he a good passer? It seems so. Good scorer? Probably.
Wall is also 2 years younger than Turner. Not that Turner can’t improve ( he’s 21), but if a guy is almost as good as you at 19, its likely he will be the better player when he gets older.
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by monta.da.boss on Feb 7, 2010 8:22 PM PST up reply actions
Tyreke Evans wasn't lauded for his athleticism either.
He went 4th when a lot of “experts” thought he was a 8-14 talent for a long time there. Now Tyreke projects to have a very bright future as a star. Turner has similar elusiveness and a lot of moves to perform off the dribble. He used to be a PG in HS, so maybe that’s where his passing and vision came from.
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I told Randolph that Bill Russell would tell him to keep that ball in play and start the break.
RANDOLPH: "I know. But sometimes, you gotta let ‘em know."
(MT)
Tyreke Evans wasn’t lauded for his athleticism either.
I mean, he was always seen as being a good athlete, just not a great one I guess. For instance, his draft express profile includes some of the following as “strengths”:
Lateral quickness
Athleticism
Body control
NBA body
Strength
Windspan
by Missing Barry on Feb 8, 2010 7:34 AM PST up reply actions
Yea, but not many people can guard Durant right now though.
Wall is the media darling, so it’s natural that people know him through name recognition alone. Watching the LSU game I was much more impressed with Cousins than Wall. But it’s just one game.
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I told Randolph that Bill Russell would tell him to keep that ball in play and start the break.
RANDOLPH: "I know. But sometimes, you gotta let ‘em know."
(MT)
Wall had a horrible game that game
I’ve watched all their games, Wall is a beast. Cousins is too though, I really think they could end up going 1, 2.
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I think Wall will be good.
His speed, first step, body control and in game athleticism aren’t matched in the NCAA. Plus his game translates to the next level as well. He’d make one helluva trade chip.
I just don’t see that big of a drop from Wall to Turner I guess. Plus we already have two very decent players that play a similar position as Wall. We could easily take Wall to trade him, or take Turner or Cousins and I’d be happy. If we gain an asset or a pick, that’d be icing on the cake.
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I told Randolph that Bill Russell would tell him to keep that ball in play and start the break.
RANDOLPH: "I know. But sometimes, you gotta let ‘em know."
(MT)
There is no one in the league similar to Wall
He is a very unique point guard…he is like Rose x10
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Maybe not a 10x Rose, but he is much better than Rose in shooting, passing, and defending, which happen to be Rose’s weaknesses.
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by monta.da.boss on Feb 7, 2010 8:38 PM PST up reply actions
Maybe not a 10x Rose,
I don’t watch college ball but it only took about 5 minutes of watching film on U-tube to see that Wall is at least as good as Dwayne Wade. We gotta do everything possible to get this kid, if this is why nellie’s losing then I applaud him.
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by Skeptic con Urquell on Feb 7, 2010 9:26 PM PST up reply actions
Well, i doubt he will have the scoring of a D-Wade but thats a good comparison.
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by monta.da.boss on Feb 7, 2010 9:40 PM PST up reply actions
D-Wade didn’t have the scoring of D-Wade when he first came into the league. I wasn’t on the Wall band wagon until recently but now all I got to say is give the kid a chance, with that athleticism, anythings possible.
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Right
D-Wade didn’t have the scoring of D-Wade when he first came into the league.
Dwyane Wade isn’t a point guard, though, and John Wall is. Wall’s scoring potential is that of a Derrick Rose, not a Wade.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Feb 8, 2010 3:23 PM PST up reply actions
If we gain an asset or a pick, that’d be icing on the cake.
What, exactly, are you expecting someone will be able to trade us? We’d be talking bad teams here so we can still stay high enough to get the players you’re targeting, picks after the first ~10-15 aren’t worth very much….realistically, I don’t see many potential options for picking anything worthwhile up…
by Missing Barry on Feb 8, 2010 7:30 AM PST up reply actions
assets whether they be minimal or not.
If the lotto falls
Warriors
Nets
Wolves
Why wouldn’t we explore a trade down scenario to gain an extra pick or two. Now this would only work if the Warriors believed they’re set at guard with Steph and Monta and don’t see the drop off from Wall to Turner/Cousins as that much. I’d be just as happy with Turner/Cousins + 1st/2nd or another young player on a rookie contract.
I’m not expecting the moon with a trade down scenario.
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I told Randolph that Bill Russell would tell him to keep that ball in play and start the break.
RANDOLPH: "I know. But sometimes, you gotta let ‘em know."
(MT)
Trading down is reasonably good strategy in football drafts where you field big teams and the relationship between pick and future quality isn’t nearly as strong as it is in basketball. In basketball, a single fantastic player can be worth more than two pretty good ones in terms of wins and the relationship between draft position and quality, while not perfect, is rather strong.
I've been hoping the Raiders do that for years.
As you can see I’m not sold on Wall yet, but probably because I haven’t watched too much yet. Especially since our best players play the same positions. But if he’s as guaranteed to be a superstar as all the “hypesters” say, then I’m fine taking him and sorting it out later.
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I told Randolph that Bill Russell would tell him to keep that ball in play and start the break.
RANDOLPH: "I know. But sometimes, you gotta let ‘em know."
(MT)
who will we have guarding Kobe?Wall?
Sure, with his size, length and athleticism, why is this a bad thing? If Wall really is 6’3-6’4 (and might even grow a bit more given his age), really long and athletic, why wouldn’t he be able to match up well with Kobe?
by Missing Barry on Feb 8, 2010 7:36 AM PST up reply actions
You’re making it sound like Monta guards players pretty well. Unless i’m crazy, didn’t Kobe score 44 on us. Not that Kobe can’t do it, but he’s not helping his case. Monta can guard players decently well. I’m impressed how he went from albatross defender to a helpful defender. He’s not a superstar lock-down defender but i’ll take what he is. Curry however hasn’t really done too well besides that game against CP3 in december.
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1 reason why we should draft John Wall...
well,because of the hype.
I know nothing about this guy,the only time I’ve seen him play is on Youtube.
by Cpt. Jack in the Box on Feb 7, 2010 9:37 PM PST reply actions
Hey that's what Kahn did last year!
JK
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I told Randolph that Bill Russell would tell him to keep that ball in play and start the break.
RANDOLPH: "I know. But sometimes, you gotta let ‘em know."
(MT)
Evan Turner Scored 33 points his last game.Dude was double sometimes even triple teamed.He is the only player ohio state has thats goin pro and yet he still carries that team.Kentucky’s starting 5 is going pro and wall is never Double teamed because of the Talent around him.He is not better than Turner now or will he ever be.If u ask the question who can help the warriors right now the answer should not be John Wall.Look at the numbers ppl.Dont look at the highlight film.Highlight films are the reason Darius Heyward Bey is a raider.Evan Turner is the best player in college basketball.
Curry had huge numbers
and was double and triple teamed…doesn’t mean he should be a pick ahead of Wall.
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Evan Turner Scored 33 points his last game.
I’ve only watched a few minutes of film on Turner but my impression is more of a Boris Diaw quality player while Wall is more in the Dwayne Wade category? Now I need to go find some film of Cousins and see what he’s all about. This losing season has turned out to quite a good thing for the Dubs it appears?
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by Skeptic con Urquell on Feb 7, 2010 10:23 PM PST up reply actions
Cousins is VERY freakish. He is getting better and better as the season progresses and possess insane athleticism and speed for his size. Think a healthy younger Amare with amazing rebounding skill.
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Think:
Rasheed/Webber without as much athleticism but with a pudgier body.
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I told Randolph that Bill Russell would tell him to keep that ball in play and start the break.
RANDOLPH: "I know. But sometimes, you gotta let ‘em know."
(MT)
Does he have anything like Sheed’s touch from deep or Webber’s passing skills?
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I was thinking more of Sheed’s inside/outside game and C-Webb’s post game. While I’ve heard Cousins is a decent passer, not like C-Webb was. I’m not sure if Sheed was stroking the 3ball in college (can’t remember), but Cousins has range out to 20 feet.
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I told Randolph that Bill Russell would tell him to keep that ball in play and start the break.
RANDOLPH: "I know. But sometimes, you gotta let ‘em know."
(MT)
Highlight films are the reason Darius Heyward Bey is a raider
Highlight films are the reason Dwight Howard is on the Magic? Or the reason Lebron James is on the Cavs? Or maybe people should have watched Deseans highlight films a bit more so he didn’t fall to the Eagles at the end of the second round? Just because you can find an example that points one way doesn’t make it a legitimate argument. There’s a reason people are so high on John Wall. He’s special. Everyone can see it (except you, apparently). He has the kind of “special” combination of athleticism and talent that you see out of the truly great players. Does it guarantee he’s going to be great? Of course not, but it’s a smart gamble to take, because if he does turn out to be great, he’s the type of player that turns your franchise into a perennial championship contender.
by Missing Barry on Feb 8, 2010 7:40 AM PST up reply actions
You said it yourself.
“Evan Turner is the best player in COLLEGE basketball.” He’ll be a very good pro, but there is a big difference between the NBA and the NCAA. Players in the NBA are faster, more quick, bigger, stronger, basically more athletic, than players in college. Athleticism is much more important in the NBA than it is in college. Tyler Hansboro was the best player in college for the past couple years, but he’s still only an average player in the NBA.
I have watched just about every Kentucky game this year and Wall does get doubled quite often.
As in the Bama game last night…as well he does seem to speed down the court right into a double T without looking and gets a turnerover…part of his problem is that he is so fast that he gets out of control but he will fix that….he is definitely a freak athlete…..I cannot seem to find any Ohio State games on to check out Turner…any suggestions ?……..Note Cousins has the better per min. stats than Turner or anyone else……
by Only In Fairfax on Feb 10, 2010 9:20 AM PST up reply actions
he is not a better defender than Monta
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today he is not a better defender than monta
I MIGHT agree w/ that.
But for next decade, i’ll say 8 out of 10 years he’ll be much better.
anyway idea of a monta,Wall backcourt is too enticing. Monta is showing commitment to defense. Wall has it already with 10 times the physical gifts of monta (Wall has every tool to be a lock down defender at a number of positions). Curry will NEVER be what Wall is defensively
Curry will NEVER be what Wall is defensively
People have been riding Curry on the defensive end from day 1. Yet, all he’s done is get better every day and show flashes of excellently moving his feet to stay in front of his man, including the 6’7" Kevin Martin. Sure, he may never be a shut down defender, but he really, really seems like the kind of guy who will tirelessly work on his game to become the best player he can. Just because he will never be what Wall is defensively doesn’t mean he doesn’t bring other things to the table. It’s not like his defense is Nash-tastic. For a rookie, he looks pretty good defensively to me.
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by Dubs fan in Boston on Feb 8, 2010 10:06 AM PST up reply actions
Curry could be an adequate defender
but John Wall has the physical tools to be one of the best defenders at his position.
by Reverend_Randy on Feb 9, 2010 4:07 PM PST up reply actions
NOBODY in the NBA draft is a sure thing. If we got the #1 pick, why would we even consider trading down and significantly lowering our chances of picking up a good NBA player? For a franchise like ours (with no bonafide superstar, no longterm vision, and no template for success), we need to keep whatever high pick we luck into, draft the best possible player, and pray that he has all the tools to become a Lebron/CP3/Wade type player that we can actually build on.
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And in a few years we could be like OCT with a few top 10 picks that jell as a good team. Of course that would mean a FO and coaching staff with a vision so only time will tell (an hopefully not that much time).
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He is not a better Passer or Scorer than Stephen Curry
Well, he DOES average more assists than Curry ever did in college, so yeah, I think it might be fair to say he’s a better passer at this point. Scorer? Well, Curry scored more, but against weaker competition….so not sure. He will be better than Curry in the NBA at both of these things, though.
he is not a better defender than Monta
With his size, length, and athleticism, the only thing that can make this true is a lack of effort. If he tries, he will be a better defender than Monta. It’s that simple.
He may be a better passer than Monta but what good is having a Shooting guard that can pass good?
How does this even make sense? Why would having a good passer ever not be a good thing? Good passing = more efficient offense for everyone.
Wall is not the best player in the nation.That title goes to Evan Turner.
Doesn’t matter if this is true or not. Nobody cares who the best player in the nation is when they’re drafting players in the NBA. The point is who’s going to be better in the NBA? John Wall is a freshman – that’s where all the hype is coming. Even if Turner is better than him right now, you’re comparing a college junior to a college freshman – Wall likely has a lot more development left than Turner does. There’s a reason there’s a correlation between entering the NBA at a younger age and NBA success. Just think about it.
So…..yeah, maybe you should give it some more thought and reflect on what characteristics make an NBA player good, and what the evidence we has says about the various prospects, in terms of who will be the better NBA player down the road.
So he can’t create for teammates because he isn’t a PG? He had the ball in his hands almost every single possession. If he was really that great a passer, he would have found a way to rack up assists.
by Missing Barry on Feb 8, 2010 8:15 AM PST up reply actions
Curry played the point for one season at Davidson, largely because there was so much talk that “he has to be a point guard to make it in the pros”. He was the point guard his Jr. year in the sense that he was tasked with being the primary ball handler and to look for a teammate as he was bringing it up. His passing numbers improved significantly, not to the point of being phenomenal, but he seemed to answer many of the critics who said he wasn’t able to handle/pass the ball well enough to make it in the pros. He did this without seeing his own offensive numbers dwindle significantly.
by jae on Feb 8, 2010 9:24 AM PST up reply actions
His passing numbers improved significantly, not to the point of being phenomenal, but he seemed to answer many of the critics who said he wasn’t able to handle/pass the ball well enough to make it in the pros.
This is something I’m curious about, as I haven’t followed the college game closely in recent years: how good were Curry’s college passing numbers in context? 5.6 assists against 3.7 turnovers isn’t great… obviously the turnover numbers have a lot to do with the attention he drew offensively, and I know his teammates weren’t the best, but often his opponents weren’t top-shelf, either. And considering that he played the point in high school, his passing numbers as a shooting guard (1.06 A/TO in his first two season) really weren’t much to look at. Curry answered his critics in the sense that he made plays more effectively as a junior than he had as a freshman or sophomore, but I don’t know that his junior year performance really demonstrated that he could play the point in the NBA. I’d love to be proven wrong on that, however.
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Turner fractured two vertebrate in back earlier this season. Before dubbing him the next Dub wait to see how his evaluations at the combine are. Obviously Ohio State thinks Turner is healthy enough to play, but they also let Oden play with a broke hand and a bad knee which ended up need surgery when he got to the NBA. That does speak well for the care that OSU take of it’s players.
I think Wall’s celling is CP3 caliber player player, where as Turner might be more of Battier/Roy type player (if he’s a prolific score in the NBA he’s Roy, if he’s not then he’s more likely a Battier type). Don’t get me wrong I think Turner is an excellent fit for the Dubs, but I’d want some more assurance on his back before putting all my seeds in his basket.
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I don't think Wall has CP3's vision.
I think he’s also much more of a scorer than Paul is.
I personally believe Turner’s floor is higher than Battier’s. Battier was a jumpshooter in college, and not much of a ballhandler/slasher. Turner is much the opposite. He has a bunch of moves off the dribble to fake his man. He hesitates, performs cross-overs, spin-moves and pump fakes that are far beyond the college level norm. With the NBA rules these days, I could definitely see Turner succeeding in the NBA at this. His long jumper is the only thing he’ll have to work on as that is his biggest weakness.
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I told Randolph that Bill Russell would tell him to keep that ball in play and start the break.
RANDOLPH: "I know. But sometimes, you gotta let ‘em know."
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Since its starting to look like the Dubs will have a good shot at winning the Lottery and getting that number 1 spot
I also meant to address this – there’s no chance we finish with the worst record in the league. The Nets are awful. We’re also better than Minnesota (while our records are almost the same, our point differential is much, much better suggesting we’re much, much better). There’s almost no chance we finish as the worst or second worst teams, and even if we do, the worst team still only has a 25% chance of the #1 pick, the second worst only a 19.9% chance, third worst a 15.6% chance, 4th worst a 11.9% chance….so yeah, in my book, that’s a “bad” chance rather than a “good” one…
that’s a "bad" chance rather than a "good" one…
We’ll just have to play worse to increase our odds then? Now we’ll find out how smart the FO really is.
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by Skeptic con Urquell on Feb 8, 2010 9:06 AM PST up reply actions
There is an asterisk with that point differential since the Twolves most efficient player, Kevin Love was out 18 games at the start of the year and they went 2-16 with a -12.8 point differential during that span (-5.96 with him, though he missed 2 more games during that span).
Al Jefferson hasn’t been himself since the injury, but has been getting better as the season has progressed. and whatever you think of him, he’s still one of the better players on that team.
by homer simpson on Feb 8, 2010 10:29 AM PST up reply actions
Well, injuries happen, we’ve had our share, too….
by Missing Barry on Feb 8, 2010 10:32 AM PST up reply actions
The team with the Worst record rarely wins the Lottery.I think its only happened 3 or 4 times since the lottery started so the 2nd worst team has a good shot at winning it.
I just listed out the percentages for you.
the worst team still only has a 25% chance of the #1 pick, the second worst only a 19.9% chance, third worst a 15.6% chance, 4th worst a 11.9% chance
by Missing Barry on Feb 8, 2010 10:06 AM PST up reply actions
And he just explained to you that the worst team “rarely wins” it, whereas the second-worst team has a “good shot” at winning it. So pack up your numbers and go back to your mommy’s basement, stat nerd.
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by Sleepy Freud on Feb 8, 2010 11:08 AM PST up reply actions
so the 2nd worst team has a good shot at winning it.
Well , how much better odds is 19.9% chance of getting first pick over 25% ? Not much is it??
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by Skeptic con Urquell on Feb 8, 2010 2:11 PM PST up reply actions
Why not take Wall and the next good point guard next year?
Since we took a point guard in the 09 draft and u guys want to take another point guard in the 2010 draft whats stopping us from taking another 1 in next years draft? What if its a kid in high school like Josh Selby who scouts are saying is the next big star to go 2 Kentucky.What if he has a great season and dominates like Wall did do we Draft him and sit wall because he is the best player available? That would be 3 straight years drafting the same position.There are alot of things this team needs but a point guard aint it.If u guys want a PG so bad why arent there any Posts saying we should try to trade Monta and Steph for 1? Why aint yall demanding a trade for Deron Williams or Another Elite Guard? Why are u guys not talking about packaging A.Randolph and Monta for a Allstar Guard? Because u know we dont need a guard we need a 3 or 4 or 5.Dont let the Highlight films and the hype fool u.John Wall has done nothing this season that shows me he is the next Chris Paul.U guys woulda drafted Kwame Brown outta high school if given the chance.
John Wall has done nothing this season that shows me he is the next Chris Paul
With all due respect, you’re one annonymous internet poster who may or may not know a thing about basketball. The people that have actual credibility are all saying things about Wall like “he’s the best prospect since Lebron”, and they’re pretty much in consensus that he’s the best player in the draft. And it’s not just that he’s the best player in the draft, it’s that he’s a super prospect, the type that only comes around every few years. There’s a reason they say those things. It’s not like Wall has to play PG, anyways. Why couldn’t we play Wall and Curry together? It’s not about loading up on PG’s – it’s about finding a superstar, because every good team has at least one of them. We don’t. You take John Wall because he’s as good of a bet to become a superstar as you’ll get. Once you find that star, then you can worry about filling the team around him. Don’t try to make this into an argument that it’s not (draft PG’S!). The argument is very clearly that Wall is a super prospect, and we’re in desperate need of top flight talent.
by Missing Barry on Feb 8, 2010 10:21 AM PST up reply actions
+1
I would be very happy to solve the dilemna of wall, monta and curry.
My solution would be trade Curry + someone + expiring 4 a viable post player or other budding star. But thats just me….
Curry for Marc Gasol. Curry + Beans 4 something spicey, I dunno. I would love to have that situation though…
like you said, Wall is superstar potential and you simple DON’T pass on that regardless of who you have. Chicago 2 years ago had hinrich and Ben gordon and drafted Derrick Rose. One could easily argue those 2 had proven more than Monta/Curry. And Rose isn’t as good as wall…
I'd trade Curry to land Cousins.
Have a Kentucky reunion with Wall, Cousins…and oh what the heck, Kelenna can join the party too!
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I told Randolph that Bill Russell would tell him to keep that ball in play and start the break.
RANDOLPH: "I know. But sometimes, you gotta let ‘em know."
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Or even the Nets
who have Brooks at center, and supposedly they really like Yi. Plus, Harris could play the 2 if they didn’t trade him, and LeBron would love to play with Curry.
whats stopping us from taking another 1 in next years draft? What if its a kid in high school like Josh Selby who scouts are saying is the next big star to go 2 Kentucky.What if he has a great season and dominates like Wall did
If he was the best player in that draft we’d still be smart to take him even if we’d drafted guards 3 years in a row. It’s about getting the most valuable piece for free then using it or trading it for something we need. more. The only time it’s smart to draft for position is if all the players are similiar talent, value and potential.
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by Skeptic con Urquell on Feb 8, 2010 10:26 AM PST up reply actions
GM’s will not give u much when they know u are dealing from a weak place.Thats why we didnt get much for Stephen Jackson.If we was to draft another point guard teams wouldnt give us much for Monta because they would know we had to move him so they would just wait it out until he became unbearable.
Except there are enough minutes to go around for Curry, Monta, AND Wall, so it’s really not a problem for us. Plus, while that’s true to a point, GM’s are still competing with other GM’s to try to get the player we’d trade, so it can’t depress the market value that much.
by Missing Barry on Feb 8, 2010 10:35 AM PST up reply actions
I'm still not sure how effective a 3PG lineup would be though...
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I told Randolph that Bill Russell would tell him to keep that ball in play and start the break.
RANDOLPH: "I know. But sometimes, you gotta let ‘em know."
(MT)
Well, I think right now it’s a bit of a stretch to call any of them PG’s, really….
35 minutes for Wall/Monta still leaves 26 minutes a game for Curry (without more than 2 of them being on the floor at any point)…..
by Missing Barry on Feb 8, 2010 12:14 PM PST up reply actions
Okay, 3 Guard lineup.
I’d love to see that lineup, but like Monta thought before this season, I just can’t see it working well. I think we’d come to the realization that someone is getting their time and effectiveness pinched here. All three guys need the ball to be effective. Wall and Monta are very similar offensive players.
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I told Randolph that Bill Russell would tell him to keep that ball in play and start the break.
RANDOLPH: "I know. But sometimes, you gotta let ‘em know."
(MT)
All three guys need the ball to be effective
Curry is a very good shooter, yet struggles to create for himself and others. Seems to me right now he’s most effective without the ball. Monta’s best season came when he played off the ball almost exclusively – he’s a fantastic off ball player and most of his struggles this year (low efficiency, high turnovers) seem to come from having the ball. So I really don’t know where this comes from. They don’t need the ball to be effective. Wall might, but he’s the one of those 3 I want with the ball anyways.
Like I said, it’d only be 2 guys at a time – and yeah, someone might get some minutes pinched, but I just laid out a scenario where all 3 of them get plenty of minutes. We’d probably eventually trade one of them, but the point is, there’d be no rush to make a deal because the situation works well enough for the time being so you don’t have to take whatever bad deal is initially offered. Wait for someone to give you actual value.
Wall and Monta are very similar offensive players.
I disagree strongly. Wall is a good ballhandler who creates for his teammates, Monta’s two biggest weaknesses. Monta is best off the ball as a complementary scorer, Wall seems to be best as the focal point of the offense. Completely different, and they could be fantastic together. Imagine them in transition together. Wall absolutely flies down the court.
by Missing Barry on Feb 8, 2010 12:27 PM PST up reply actions
Still not buying what you're selling.
Monta played off the ball when BD was here. How well would Monta take playing off of Wall? His latest role has him splitting the PG duties with Curry. They both play PG interchangeably imo. Curry is our best passer, hands down so I’m not sure why you said he can’t create for others. He’s also a very crafty finisher when he wants to get to the rim. He used to settle for the floaters, but lately he’s tried to get all the way to the rim.
From the amount that I’ve seen from Wall, he doesn’t remind me of a natural PG. He’s a scoring PG like Rose. He doesn’t have the same vision that CP3 has. While this likely makes him a better distributor than Monta, outside of that their games are generally similar. They both are good at getting to the rim. They both excel in transition. Monta’s mid-range and 3-ball are better right now.
I could see a much better pairing of Curry and Wall than Wall and Monta. Honestly, If Wall is the guy all claim he is, I would gladly take him still. It’ll create a problem we actually might come out ahead in. So long as we don’t play it like David Kahn of last year.
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I told Randolph that Bill Russell would tell him to keep that ball in play and start the break.
RANDOLPH: "I know. But sometimes, you gotta let ‘em know."
(MT)
How well would Monta take playing off of Wall?
No idea, but unless Monta gets a lot better, we aren’t going to be a good team until he’s not our primary ballhandler….so it’s an issue we have to deal with eventually.
Curry is our best passer, hands down so I’m not sure why you said he can’t create for others. He’s also a very crafty finisher when he wants to get to the rim.
Having passing skills like vision/passing accuracy is different than creating for others. To create for others you have to put the defense at a disadvantage, draw a help guy over forcing rotations and getting teammates open. This is where Curry struggles. He doesn’t do well getting to the rim, he doesn’t do well beating his man and drawing the help defense….so far, he hasn’t shown the athleticism to do this effectively, which is why his assist rate is as low as it is. When you think of the best distributors in the game (Paul, Nash, Rondo, Williams, Kidd), the only one of those guys that’s successful without beating the defense consistently is Kidd, and he’s at least big. Williams to a degree, too, but again – he’s big, and plays in a system that involves a lot of off ball cutting to the hoop.
From the amount that I’ve seen from Wall, he doesn’t remind me of a natural PG. He’s a scoring PG like Rose. He doesn’t have the same vision that CP3 has.
And I don’t think he has elite vision/passing ability either, but I DO think he has the ballhandling/athleticism to constantly get in the lane and create open shots for others. Think Rondo – really not the greatest passer (not that he’s bad, but he’s not Nash/Paul/Kidd or anything), but an extremely effective distributor because of his ability to get in the lane and get teammates open. Even if he’s just a step below Rondo, think of a guy like Wade who averages ~6.5-7 assists per 36 minutes – Wall is a much better distributor already than Wade ever was in college. Passing skills only go so far – creating for teammates is incredibly important and that’s where Wall absolutely excels. Next time you watch Kentucky look for how many easy shots he creates for his teammates, it’s a pretty decent amount (he’s 2nd in NCAA in assists for a reason). Whatever official role Wall is in, I want the ball in his hands. He’s the type of player that can make the whole team go.
by Missing Barry on Feb 8, 2010 2:33 PM PST up reply actions
Paul, Nash, Rondo, Williams, Kidd
Forgot to mention those are just the league leaders in assists per game (and in that order), which is why I chose them.
by Missing Barry on Feb 8, 2010 2:34 PM PST up reply actions
I think Curry could get to that level of PG's.
His improvement from the start of December or so has been very nice to see. PG, as they say is the hardest position to learn. I’m still willing to give him more time.
My main concern with Curry is however his athleticism. He is crafty which helps him out sometimes, but I have the same concerns about not getting all the way to the rim. In the end I think he’ll be a + player, but not the superstar they say Wall will/could be.
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I told Randolph that Bill Russell would tell him to keep that ball in play and start the break.
RANDOLPH: "I know. But sometimes, you gotta let ‘em know."
(MT)
He's the type of player that can make the whole team go.
Barry that is the best one sentence sum up on Wall that I have seen….with all the hype about his skills etc…there is that intangible that nails it…..unfortunately we probably will not have the #1 pick………so…..
by Only In Fairfax on Feb 10, 2010 9:38 AM PST up reply actions
GM’s will not give u much when they know u are dealing from a weak place.
We would be dealing from a strong place, We could do something like Curry-bury to NYK for David Lee for instance if we had Wall? It’s always better to have more options than less.
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by Skeptic con Urquell on Feb 8, 2010 10:59 AM PST up reply actions
When has a Team Every Traded a 24 year Old Allstar Player for a College player?
Monta is Averaging 26 ppg and is Allstar caliber and u wanna trade him for somebody u think can be good as he is 1 day.This makes no sense.Has it ever been done in the history of the NBA? A team trades a Allstar caliber player thats under 25 for a player that has not proven himself at the next level.
When has a Team Every Traded a 24 year Old Allstar Player for a College player?
Last I checked a guy who’s never made an All-star team isn’t an “Allstar Player”….
by Missing Barry on Feb 8, 2010 10:40 AM PST up reply actions
Monta is Averaging 26 ppg and is Allstar caliber
Monta is averaging 26 not terribly efficient points while playing a ton of minutes. Whether he’s “allstar caliber” is debatable, but by advanced metrics related to winning games, he’s not “allstar caliber”. He’s been playing at a “when your best player plays like he does, you’re going to lose 75% of your games” caliber.
When has a Team Every Traded a 24 year Old Allstar Player for a College player?
Lot’s of teams would have traded their “allstar caliber” players for Lebron’s draft rights.
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by Skeptic con Urquell on Feb 8, 2010 10:51 AM PST up reply actions
He wasn't an All-Star
But Elton Brand for Tyson Chandler comes to mind.
Bulls were freakin’ stupid on that one.
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I told Randolph that Bill Russell would tell him to keep that ball in play and start the break.
RANDOLPH: "I know. But sometimes, you gotta let ‘em know."
(MT)
The Credibility Comment
With all due respect ppl with Cred Said Adam Morrison would be a star in the league.They said Beasley would be a allstar in 2 years.They have been wrong time and time again.If u guys believe Wall has done enough this season that u’d bet the Franchise on him im happy u guys dont have larry riley’s job.Evan Turner is not only the best player in College he is the best NBA prospect.
Funny how neither of those guys were drafted #1, so apparently they really weren’t thought of the same way as a guy people say is the best prospect in years? That argument isn’t a real argument. I can just as easily say LEBRON JAMES DWIGHT HOWARD OMG. It’s meaningless. No crap people are going to be wrong. You can’t know the future. The whole point is that Wall is the best prospect in years, meaning he has a good chance of becoming a superstar. Does that mean he will? No, but it means I’d rather have him than someone with a worse chance of becoming a star than him.
by Missing Barry on Feb 8, 2010 10:38 AM PST up reply actions
You can’t know the future.
Except when it comes to Evan Hunter, apparently.
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by Sleepy Freud on Feb 8, 2010 11:01 AM PST up reply actions
And Curry didnt have more assists his last season because he had no talent to work with.He was the teams only scorer.Anybody could get alot of Assists playing with Patrick Patterson and Demarcus Cousins.
…you realize these are college players, right? They can hit open shots. If you get your teamamtes open, you’re going to get assists. Plus you can call his teammates less talented, but his competition is also less talented….
by Missing Barry on Feb 8, 2010 10:39 AM PST up reply actions
i have watched quite a few kentucky games this year. what stands out to me about wall is his play in crunch time. he makes big shots, steals, and has the balls to take risks. he will be a star. watch hime a few times. if we get the first pick, we take wall. i think turner will be solid, but wall comes in and is immediately our franchise. he is already a better defender than monta, and a much better passer. he can jump out of the gym and becomes our alpha-dog. cosuins seems like a headcase to me. as talented as he is, he always seems to be teetering between over-hyped and dis-intereseted. i think he is more of a 10-12 guy than a top 5. we’ll probably end up with aldrich….yikes.
by davidwood'sliver on Feb 8, 2010 10:49 AM PST reply actions
Aldrich = Epic Fail.
If we’re top 3. At 8-14, then okay.
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I told Randolph that Bill Russell would tell him to keep that ball in play and start the break.
RANDOLPH: "I know. But sometimes, you gotta let ‘em know."
(MT)
More wall hype
Plenty of words have already been spent on the athletic gifts of John Wall, both here and otherwise. He’s in a class of his own in college basketball as far as his quickness and explosiveness is concerned, as he’s shown on countless occasions with some incredible highlight reel plays.
After all, how many NCAA teams have a set play in their offense for a backdoor cut and alleyoop lob intended for their point guard? We called Derrick Rose the "most athletic point guard we’ve ever evaluated at the college level," and feel strongly about the fact that Wall is every bit his equal in that category, if not better. – Jonathan Givony – Draftexpress.com
Here’s a full article from DX about Wall posted on December 16th.
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More wall hype?
Would be interesting to read comments from scouts and reporters who were working in the MJ draft days and see how they feel about the probability of Wall being a major star? Guys with a long track record should have the best opinions on it?
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by Skeptic con Urquell on Feb 8, 2010 2:17 PM PST up reply actions
How can you not draft Wall?
Any team would be dumb enough not to think he’s a very valuable asset in the NBA. This is a business dude.
From what I have seen
He looks like he is going to be very similar to Dwyane Wade. The kind of guy that can play the point and get guys involved, score in a variety of ways any time he wants to, and also defend the 2 on defense. The way he drives the lane and handles the ball is very similar to Wade. I could see Wall, Monta, and Curry playing together and setting each other up for easy buckets.
The thing that i dont get is alot of you Guys that are saying you want wall over Curry are the same guys that were saying Curry is gonna be the next steve nash last June.Now the next steve nash isnt good enough because you’d rather have the next Derrick Rose.
We can have 3 guards on the team.
Curry playing 20-25 minutes isn’t too bad. Considering all the injuries we have, would’nt you want some depth? What if Wall or Ellis goes down with injury?
What if Nellie wants Wall to back up Curry at the beginning on the season…. What if Ellis demands a trade…..You have to wait it out, and stockpile good players… worry about minutes later, worry about getting good players now.
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by monta.da.boss on Feb 9, 2010 6:15 PM PST up reply actions
i agree with J-RIDAH
warriors need a SF and evans who is listed at 6’7 could fill that position……..if we draft law we r ganna see law playin PG curry playin SG and monta playin SF and i know we dnt wan that
by SanPabloGiantsFan on Feb 8, 2010 3:10 PM PST reply actions
Evans?
Who are you talking about?
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by Rated-R Superstar on Feb 8, 2010 3:23 PM PST up reply actions
.if we draft law ??
Acie?? Wake up it’s 2010 !!
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by Skeptic con Urquell on Feb 8, 2010 3:25 PM PST up reply actions
Going back in time for two picks???
Acie Law AND Tyreke Evans.
I’ve been flagged so much because of my views about John Wall im starting to think im on a Kentucky Blog right now.But im sticking to my guns in this debate regardless.Evan Turner is the better player now and will be a better pro than wall will ever be.He’ll be the rookie of the year next year regardless of which team drafts him.I only ask that u all do your Homework on Turner before flagging me.
I only ask you use proper grammar, and maybe think a little before your posts. Then you won’t be flagged/warned. You can have an opinion, but you have to represent it well and not just yell, " JAELIKESTATENERDSSUCKSSSS"
Thats the problem.
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by monta.da.boss on Feb 9, 2010 7:31 PM PST up reply actions
Evan Turner is the better player now and will be a better pro than wall will ever be.
Sounds like I’m on the Evan Turner Fan/John Wall Hater blog.
by Reverend_Randy on Feb 9, 2010 7:58 PM PST up reply actions
I am trying to imagine Monta welcoming Wall to our team and not going Jackson on us....
……seems to defy logic….but then again Monta did surprise with his go for it attitude after Jackson left…..however how much of that is because he is the man now/ getting his stats for his future of moving on…..I have always loved his play but wonder how much he dreams of leaving…
by Only In Fairfax on Feb 10, 2010 9:52 AM PST reply actions
Monta
Only cares about talent….With a #1 pick, I think he’d be happy.
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i would pick sherron collins over wall if we were going to draft a guard. aside from setting up one of several big plays to help kansas win the title a couple years ago (he got the ball down the court and made the diving pass to setup chalmers for game tying three in the final seconds). the dude has that baron/paul build. thick/strong, mixed with quick. great leader, passer, finisher and free thrower as well as clutch when it matters. fronting the number 1 team in the country helps too. realistically a guy i think the warriors should try to get though is also on kansas and that’s cole aldrich. dude’s a beast down low. inhales rebounds on both ends, can get up and down, has a jump shot and post moves. still a bit raw around the edges but is one of the top centers going and will probably be a really solid center in the nba.
Yes, let’s take the 23 year-old 5’11 stocky guy who’s a mediocre passer, inefficient shooter and terrible rebounder over the most heralded draft prospect since LeBron James.
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on Feb 10, 2010 4:56 PM PST up reply actions
If u guys think Monta will be happy to see Wall come here I have some oceanfront property in Montana to sell you.After a season like this where the warriors have gotten killed on the boards just about every game and he and Curry have been one of the most productive backcourts in the league it would be crazy to imagine him accepting another guard coming here when this team dont have a Legitimate big or 3 for that matter.He couldnt see him and Curry working but Nellie convinced him it could but there’s no convincing him that Another guard is the answer to our problems.If we had that #1 pick and take Wall we better already have a deal in place to deal Monta because he would go Stack Jack instantly.
If Monta isn't happy with Wall
I think plenty of teams would be happy to have Monta.
by Reverend_Randy on Feb 10, 2010 5:27 PM PST up reply actions
If that’s Monta’s attitude, frankly, who cares? Someone interested in being part of a winning franchise would be happy to add a special talent like Wall – someone that can actually help make the franchise relevant again. Plus, despite our current deficiency on the boards, bring a healthy Randolph and Biedrins into the picture and we’re looking a lot better on that end….
by Missing Barry on Feb 10, 2010 5:34 PM PST up reply actions
it would be crazy to imagine him accepting another guard coming here when this team dont have a Legitimate big
Montay would be very happy to get Wall cause that would mean we could trade Curr-bury for someone Montay would love.
Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Feb 10, 2010 6:23 PM PST up reply actions
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