Highly Radical Rebuilding Plan
*Please note that Chris Cohan does not have the competence to do anything close to anything I am suggesting. Do not write about how the warriors will never do this, because stating the obvious is unnecessary. But with all means, please feel free to comment on if it is realistic if we had an owner with a brain, as well as if you support it. Thank you
Objectively observing the past 40 years of the nba, there truly are only two ways to win a championship:
a. find a "once in a decade" player, get an all-star #2, and solid role players
b. formulate a team filled with high quality intelligent players
While formula a is typically more common, the chances of finding a guy that can impact a franchise like Larry Bird or Tim Duncan, who both increase their teams win totals by over 30 games in their rookie seasons, is extremely slim. More realistically is to target players in this league that follow the three characteristics of a champion
1. intelligence
2. selflessness
3. defense
Watching the warriors for the last two years, it is so clear this team lacks all three of these attributes. However, with a few trades, signings, and friendly drops from the ping pong balls, the Warriors have the potential to revolutionize this franchise.
Step #1: Fire Nellie and hire Keith Smart
Don Nelson is so checked out at this point. Against the Mavericks, Anthony Morrow made a lane violation from the 3 point line during a free throw (didn't even know that was possible) and Nellie didn't even glace at him when Morrow marched to the bench. He clearly is not committed to playing any defense whatsoever, nevertheless managing players minutes and winning games. Keith Smart is far more defensive minded and is a players coach. Even an outside hire is acceptable, just get rid of Nelson. Until it happens, no other move really makes a difference
Step #2: Monta-Mags to Chicago Blockbuster Deal
Monta Ellis and Corey Maggette are two of the high points of a grim season. Monta is putting up all-star numbers, at 26.2 a night, complementing that with 5.4 assists, 4.2 rebounds, and 2.2 steals. Maggette is having his most efficient and arguably his best overall year in his career, scoring 20.8 ppg while shooting 52% from the field. Unfortunately, neither of them truly fit what is sought after in a championship team. For starters, both players take a lot of shots, and make sure they get their numbers, often at the expense of teammates. In addition, the defensive play of these two individuals falls well below what should be expected from an elite team. Meanwhile, Kirk Henrich and Luol Deng both play absolutely superb defense. Deng is also a potent scorer as well, and an excellent rebounder for a small forward.
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ygsybbl
Step #3: Andrew Bogut Blockbuster Deal
Andrew Bogut is one of the most underrated players in the league. Currently averaging 16 points, 10 rebounds, and 2 blocks, he has the size to match anyone and the skill to keep up with the leagues best bigmen. To join Bogut in this deal is Charlie Bell, who is a defensive minded combo guard, similar to Kirk Henrich. For the Warriors Andris Biendris has shown a total lack of focus and toughness. Since his brief double-double streak of last year, he has been one of the biggest disappointments for the warriors. Essentially, he is a very poor mans Joe Barry Carroll. Anthony Randolph, while high on potential, just completely lacks basic basketball fundamentals and IQ. It's one thing to lack skill, but too play as sloppy of a game as he does just won't work in this league. He is only 20, but it just looks like he simply doesn't get it.
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ykgvu6h
Step #4: Draft Evan Turner, SG, Ohio State
John Wall is a nice thought, but Turner is a player who could be drafted anywhere from #2-4. He is the most NBA ready of all elite prospects, and has a high basketball IQ. At 6'7", he fills out the stat sheet well, averaging 19.7 points, 9.4 rebounds, 5.7 assists, 2 steals, and one block per game, all on 56% shooting from the field. He has a ton of skill, is an above average athlete, and plays very hard. He draws a lot of comparison to Brandon Roy. He and Wall could be next years versions of Stephen Curry and Tyreke Evans.
Step #5: Sign Udonis Haslem and Re-sign Keleana Azibuike
Udonis Haslem is a glue guy that every championship team needs. He plays harder than almost anyone else and never complains about his role. His 10 points and 7 rebounds a game are only a fragment of his true value. The Heat are looking to go for some big names this off seasons, such as Amare Stoudemire and Chris Bosh. Even if they fail to sign either of them, Michael Beasley might have something to say about resigning the player who takes the most minutes from him. Kelena will be a FA this off-season and it will be vital to resign him. For one, his toughness and 3 point shooting ability is tough to replace. In addition, the chemistry he brings to the lockroomer cannot be replaced by just another small forward.
Potential 2010-2011 Lineup:
PG: Stephen Curry / Kirk Henrich / Coby Karl (2011 MVP!)
SG: Evan Turner / Anthony Morrow / Charlie Bell
SF: Luol Deng / Keleana Azibuike / Cartier Martin
PF: Udonis Haslem / Brandon Wright / Vladimire Radmanovic
C: Andrew Bogut / Ronny Turiof / Chris Hunter
While I am not suggesting a lineup like this could produce a championship, or even a 50+ win season next year, it would certainly be a major upgrade from the talent we have now. Down the road, I see Curry and Turner running the show, and potentially an upgrade at power forward. Comments, opinions, thoughts?
This FanPost is a submission from a member of the mighty Golden State of Mind community. While we're all here to throw up that W, these words do not necessarily reflect the views of the GSoM Crew. Still, chances are the preceding post is Unstoppable Baby!
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we should trade Keleana, Brandon, and Turiof!
Those bums suck!
Warriors, Stupidest franchise in the league.
I told Randolph that Bill Russell would tell him to keep that ball in play and start the break.
RANDOLPH: "I know. But sometimes, you gotta let ‘em know."
(MT)
Word
Let’s acquire “Henrich” for them.
The Ultimate Opportunist
by Rated-R Superstar on Feb 10, 2010 6:38 AM PST up reply actions
Keleana Azibuike rocks.
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on Feb 10, 2010 8:08 AM PST up reply actions
we should trade Keleana, Brandon, and Turiof!
Those bums suck!
Why do they suck ? You realize that they are just role players ! And fulfill their roles entirely … We just lack star players and veteran leadership and defense and …. and …
By the way, Haslem + Bogut in no way will get you anywhere in the west ! A little more toughness at the best but still very limited players.
by NIC26WARRIORS on Feb 10, 2010 9:25 AM PST up reply actions
Haha, sarcasm alert. If you hang around on GSoM a bit you’l realize there are at least three cardinal sins here: (1) writing in all caps; (2) confusing “complement” and “compliment;” and (3) egregiously misspelling names of Warrior players. Commit any of these sins (in this case, sin #3) and you’re more likely to get chided for the sin than the substance of your post. This is made even more likely when the substance of the post involves elaborate fantasy trades featuring names like Kirk Hinrich, Charlie Bell, and Udonis Haslem…
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on Feb 10, 2010 10:13 AM PST up reply actions
I like some of your ideas
but trading Monta and Maggs for Deng and Hinrich is not very sensible. Deng is a solid player who will hover around 20 and 7 every game and always give great effort, and Hinrich as a starter will give you about 15 and 6 as a starter. But I would not trade Ellis in a deal for them. If they were to trade Ellis, they would make sure that they would be getting a star in return. I would be good with Maggette and somebody else (besides Ellis, Curry, and Randolph) for those two guys, but Monta would be too much. Although I do like Bogut, I think the Warriors can get a guy just as good in the draft without having to give up valuable assets, and that guy is Cousins (who is only 19 with major skills). I agree that they should definitely resign Azubuike, but I don’t even think they have to resign him because he has a termination option, which he almost definitely won’t flex. Haslem would be an awesome pick up in free agency, and would give the team a bruiser type rebounder. Smart could be a good option, but they should explorre a little bit before hiring him, if Nellie retires. So I would say no to the first trade, no to the Bogut deal (they can get Cousins in the draft and try and trade Andris in a deal for a small forward like Butler for ex., since I don’t think Iguodala is coming here. Even if they don’t get another small forward, they are good with Azubuike and Maggs at that position). I think they should take Cousins over Turner if given the option.
I would consider trading Monta for Deng
but only if we had a legit first option on offense.
by Reverend_Randy on Feb 10, 2010 12:32 AM PST up reply actions
we could call our wing players the british bangers...
buike + deng. WArrior fanbase in london will double
I have a better idea
Trade our whole team for the whole USA squad. I guarantee an NBA title. But really, some ideas decent some….well horrible
Rookie: "Why did you bench me?"
Nellie: "You're a rookie"
Your Right!
Randolph is only 20 and we need to show some patience and let him develop. Randolph has shown flashes of what he can do and if we can bring in a coach that can properly mentor him, we might have something better than what we would be getting back from Milwaukee.
You are actually right when it comes to nellie of course. He needs to be sent on the first plane to Maui.
I feel like we could do better than Keith Smart. He’s the defensive coordinator. I don’t get why every rebuilding plan has him in it.
go rowand
by lincypoo i wuv u on Feb 10, 2010 1:31 AM PST reply actions
Definitely radical ideas. Most of them are too radical for any team on either side of the trades to consider. Also, there is almost zero chance that Haslem plays for any team that is not the Heat.
by samuraaaaiiiiiii on Feb 10, 2010 1:54 AM PST reply actions
Not just radical. Highly radical.
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on Feb 10, 2010 4:49 AM PST up reply actions
I had difficulty reading past your first point....
Smart is supposedly our ‘defensive’ coach….. Hmmmmm considering the Warriors play next to ZERO defense…. that responsibility MUST be aimed at his door…..
Secondly…. did you watch the games he coached in Nellies absence? GOD AWFUL comes to mind… with no tactical brain to beat his coaching opponent when that opposing coach suddenly changes tactics…
Smart is a very nice guy, but his ability to react to counter the other team was proven on many occasions to be non-existent.
Tom Thibodeau is the guy I would like to see offered the Head Coach role…
"LOVE WARRIORS - HATE COHAN" - Sell The Team!
Thibodeau would be an interesting pick, but without a healthy Garnett, his defense is less impressive and it’s not like the warriors are overwhelmed with defensive talent !
Byron Scott ? Avery Johnson ? M.Cheeks ? R.Theus ? Coaches deserving a second chance …
Definitely get rid of the current coaches ! they are all part of the same losing coaching staff surviving on a one year miracle !
by NIC26WARRIORS on Feb 10, 2010 9:30 AM PST up reply actions
If Monta were to vanish then yes we would need Turner,otherwise Cousins would be the best pick for us.
If Turner turns into Kobe then I will be forever wrong but I doubt that.
by Only In Fairfax on Feb 10, 2010 8:54 AM PST reply actions
I would be willing to risk losing Monta for Turner
We need to grab a guy like Turner who looks like he will be a big scoring SG to put next to Curry.
Whatever needs to occur to make that happen is fine with me. We arent going anywhere now, so a little educated experimentation is worth it.
This is the dumbest post I've ever read on GSOM
I don’t know where to begin.
please elaborate, I spent a good hour constructing it, the least you can do is tell me what is so dumb about it.
It is said that Patrick Willis was genetically engineered from the DNA of Chuck Norris and Black Jesus.
Aright, sorry for sounding like an ass in the previous post
Don Nelson, hate on him all you guys want, but he is a good coach. He took the Warriors to the playoff in 07 and was the last to do it in the early 90s. He will soon be the most winningest coach. Sure, you can say he’s been in the league forever, but even with numerous bad teams he still has a winning percentage. I’m not saying he’s perfect for the team but again, he is a good coach. For one, he uses strategies that others wouldn’t even think of, i.e. Jackson on Nowitzski. Without Jackson guarding Nowitzski there was no way the Warriors would’ve have won that series.
Monta Ellis and Maggette for Kirk who and Deng? I also think we should trade Maggette but Ellis too? And for those two guys? You say our two guys take too many shots, will its pretty simple. They have to. Ellis didn’t take this many shots when Jrich, Jackson, and Davis were on the team. Who else is gonna put some points up- Hunter, Radman, or one of many D-leaguers?
Now I see one of your main points for ousting Nelson and Ellis and Maggette is defense. Yes, our team isn’t great on defense but that comes with their style of play. Running up and down the court and playing small is exciting as hell but you’ll suffer on the defensive end. Look at the Suns and other high scoring teams. If someones want their team to focus on defense than they should go become a fan of the Spurs. I’m sure you know how fun they are to watch.
Now the issue with the warriors is that they have to find the right balance. Play uptempo and decent defense. We all can agree that in today’s NBA it is almost impossible to play stellar defense and lead the league in points.
Your Milwaukee blockbuster, again same thing. Defense. You’re giving away Randolph and Biedrins for Bogut. The guy can’t run like either. Think Shaq on Phoenix. Bogut is a good player but not right for the Warriors.
And, Haslem. He is old as hell and nothing spectacular about him. He is a decent player but I think we have bigger priorities like spending our money on Morrow and Bell.
Again, our team and coach aren’t perfect and we definitely need some changes but I don’t see this radical rebuilding plan as a solution. All the things you want other teams seem to have already. And they’re boring teams.
I won’t hate on Nelson’s coaching career, but at this point, he’s not doing a good coaching job for the Warriors. You can recognize that without criticizing his coaching career…
by Missing Barry on Feb 10, 2010 6:00 PM PST up reply actions
Well its hard to do a good job when half your team is injured and you got a bunch of D-Leaguers. And even with those D-Leaguers you don’t have at least 10 guys for a full practice.
I’m just saying that you can’t assess your team and coaches when you don’t even know what your coaches and players together are capable of.
My biggest problem with Nelson is his lineups. He’s often played worse players in favor of better ones, and I think it’s completely fair to criticize that.
by Missing Barry on Feb 10, 2010 6:27 PM PST up reply actions
Ok, but here is my mind set
1. Looking back, I think we could probably do a lot better than Deng-Henrich, so your right there.
2. Nellie is a decent coach at best. He is the reason the warriors were not a dominate team in the 1990s. We could have had Tim Hardaway-Mitch Richmond-Chris Mullins-Chris Webber on our team, but his ego broke it all up. We certainly would have had the talent to face Houston, Seattle, Phoenix, and Utah.
3. Say what you want about SA, but I find them to be one of the most entertaining teams in basketball (I know no need to say anything). I just love fundamentally sound, high IQ, defensive minded team basketball. While you might not feel the same way, I’m sure you would feel the same way about winning. It’s fun to win. And it’s even better to win titles.
4. If you didn’t notice, I’m suggesting a complete change in philosophy for the warriors. I basically modeled this team from Portland.
5. Haslem is 29. He’s sort of like Jeff Green or Chancey Bulliups (to a way lesser degree). He makes everyone better, a glue guy, and his value is far greater than what shows on the stats.
It is said that Patrick Willis was genetically engineered from the DNA of Chuck Norris and Black Jesus.
Are you sure you would like the complete change in philosophy? No offense but why don’t you make another team your primary team. WIth league pass today you can be a diehard fan of any team.
If it wasn’t so hard for me to switch I would. After last season and this one, I wish I could but I’m too used to and enjoy the Warriors style. I loved Run TMC and the We Believe Warriors. I mean most people I know like the Warriors for their style of play, which I mentioned earlier is also one of their weaknesses. Changing the complete team’s philosophy would leave you with nothing “Warriors.”
My main problem with the Warriors in the owner. Too many cost cutting moves. I can’t believe we used to have J-Rich, Davis, Jamison, Jackson, and Arenas, to name a few.
No Hinrich!
Why do W’s fans continue to throw around trade proposals involving Kirk Hinrich? Has anyone actually watched him play? Let’s make this very, very clear: His is NOT, nor has ever been, a good defender. He is not going to turn into a good defender either. And his offensive numbers stink.
Some of the other ideas, involving Deng or Bogut, do carry some merit.
With regard to coaching, this team would better off doing a full search for a defensive-minded coach rather than just promoting Smart and “hoping” he does a good job.
Thank you UncleCliffy
I don’t know what it is either with fellow Warrior fans and Hinrich. Or Warrior – Bulls trades.
Chicago isn't interested in Monta and Maggette right now -
- because they feel they have a good shot in the LeBron/Bosh sweepstakes. If they can clear Deng and Heinrich for cap room, they may have space to land BOTH of ’em.
You don’t pass that up for Monta and Maggs.
While i like your idea of a selfless team playing smart ball....
like say houston rockets this year. A playoff birth is about as far as you’ll get.
There is simply no example to stand up for a team winning a championship w/o franchise cornerstone peices.
Before you say detroit pistons explain to me how: Chauncey, Rip, Tayshaun. Rasheed, Ben Wallace all IN THERE PRIME are equal to curry, turner, deng, udonis, bogut??? Oh and smart, larry brown?
A better example for the type of team you want....
-Trade Monta 4 Mark Gasol + expiring.
-Trade Randolph + Beans 4 J-Smoov.
-Trade Maggette 4 Howard (expiring)
-Draft Turner
Be about 15mil under the cap (we’d have 36.7mil tied up before signing draft pick + morrow)
-find best chef in argentina, fund him to open a 5 star restuarant in san francisco
-sign ginobili and scola
BOOM!
-curry/ don’t care he’ll play 48 minutes
-ginobili/Turner
-Morrow/Buike
-JSmoov/Scola/Wright
-Gasol/Turiaf/Tolliver
Wow this is fun! Now someone quickly fax this to riley
I like all of these trades
But even if we someone got all of these trades to go through, we are not even a team that gets home court in the first round of the playoffs
Everyone trying to trade Randolph...especially for...
Andrew freaking Bogut is going to look like an idiot in a couple years. Randolph, Curry, Wright, and our lotto pick are the only reasons to have any hope as a Warrior fan these days and you want to trade him for a kangaroo and can of fosters. Absolute joke. Out of the previous four mentioned assets, Anthony Randolph is the most important and has the best chance of pulling our putrid franchise out of the piss hole we are in.
And I second the Heinrich is a turd sandwich notion. He’s god awful and, by the way, makes 9 freaking million dollars a year and is not coming off the books any time soon.
The only move I like that you suggested, (I can’t say I like your ditching Nelly proposal because you want Keith “more of the same thomas foolery” Smart to take over), is trading maggette for a giant douche.
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