Curry and Ellis can coexist, and thrive, provided they are surrounded by big athletic wings who can defend and rebound. A Gerald Wallace, Shane Battier, Tayshaun Prince, Andrei Kirilenko-type would be ideal.

In the offseason I proposed a Maggs for Tayshaun trade that most on this site thought was a good idea but that Detroit would not go for. Given the year that Maggette had, and the Pistons desperate need for some offense, I wonder if this might be revisited? Detroit might be reluctant because Maggs has 3 more years under contract, but it seems not so far-fetched.

A million things are wrong with the warriors!!! Where do you want me to begin….Let me see….No chemistry, dumb ownership, horrible GM, nobody knows how to evaluate talent and blend that with a player who has character as well. And its not that the players aren’t developing, it’s that we’re not developing them. Don Nelson can not coach up a young kid, all Don knows how to do is teach a kid to run, outscore the opponent, don’t worry about D! That’s the Don nelson philosophy. I said it two years ago after the Warriors beat the Mavericks and then got whooped by Utah….need to get rid of nelson because he can only create a one upset and done scenario. His style has never won a championship, and never will win a championship because he doesn’t know how to teach his players how to play defense. So the #1 problem, DON NELSON!!

Second, yes we have two good guards in curry and ellis, and two solid offesnive backups in watson and morrow. But we can’t have a curry and ellis back court if we want to succeed. I’ll say it again and again, even though know warrior fan buys it, WE WILL NEVER WIN WITH MONTA ELLIS AS A STARTER!!! PERIOD! he’s not ever going to be a dominating 2 guard fora championship team, he could be a GREAT guy to come off the bench or to compliment other players, but he just does to many dumb things, doesn’t have a high enough basketball IQ, and makes too many turnovers to ever be a focal point for a championship team. Keep Curry, trade Ellis. Could get a TON for a guy like ellis from a dumb GM who thinks guys like Ellis win championships, but guys like Ellis don’t win championships. Guys like Ellis are just pieces to the championship. Carl Crawford lets take for example, same type of player as ellis except for the fact he can’t jump out of the gym. But that guy is as pure a scorer as there is in this league, No questions. He gets traded from the warriors to a back up position on the hawks, and now he’s considered for the 6th man award. There’s certain guys franchises need to recognize can’t be focal points to championships, Curry is one, Ellis is not. And considering the amount of money we are paying Ellis, he is never going to see himself in a complimentary role on this team, so the only thing to do is to trade him.

Breaking it down, the #1 reason this team is bad is because they (meaning former GM Chris Mullin, Robert Rowell, and Chris Cohan) foolishly thought it was a bright idea to build around these two good, but deeply flawed players, who barely hold their opposing matchups from getting career nights every night.

We are bad because we don’t have top talent. GameSix said the only player that can make us a contender is Dwight Howard, but that just isn’t true. We could easily surround Lebron with as much talent as the Cavs can. Duncan would make us a good team. Any superstar would, really. The problem is having a superstar really is the difference between one of the best teams in the league and one of the worst – top talent has that big of an effect in the NBA. We didn’t build around Biedrins and Monta – we gave two young, solid players contracts fairly in line with their production at the time, and neither are paid like superstars, they’re paid for what they are. We aren’t building around them as much as keeping them in our future plans. We’re still searching for that superstar.

The problem is of course defense. It’s not only Monta and Curry but the whole team. Even without Monta the Warriors can score 130 points easy. At some point the Warriors need to make a decision to trade some offensive players for more defensively sound ones. Some people still want to defend it but it won’t work.

I’m sure in 2002; Nash, Iverson, Ray Allen on the perimeter would have been an offensive nightmare but still would have struggled to reach .500 because of how easily they could be killed defensively. And I’m almost positive Curry, Monta, Morrow will never reach levels of those 3

Summing up: I’m not saying become the spurs. But would it be so bad to have someone like Iguodala instead of Monta, or if you wanted to trade Curry, have someone like Russel Westbrook. Someone who can defend, has good but limited offensive skill but makes the team overall much better. The same can be said at other positions too.

All of what Altima say is true — but he missed a big reason for thi team’s problems. The team refuses to play defense. Night in, night out we watch oppopsing teams run past W’s players as they jog back up the floor for open jumpers, cuts to basket for dunks, or layups. This was true before all these supposedly first string players got injured and its’ true now. No team has ever won a championship — much less made it to a conference finals — without playing defense. Hmm.. you say the W’s haven’t made it to a conference finals in how long?

Curry is a nice player, but he gets taken to the cleaners routinely by bigger, more physical guards. This limitation in his game – unlikely to ever change — could be addressed if the team played “team” defense and helped out. But they don’t. Nobody on the team takes it seriously. Curry gets backed in down low, gives ground and nobody appears to help out. One presumes their on-court action reflects the priorities of the coaching staff, which is also apparently uninterested in defense.

Truth is that it does deeper — the organization does not insist upon and demand excellence at all times from its players and has not attracted players that can live up to this standard. The other “truth” to this is that there are few NBA teams that do seem to demand excellence night in/night out. Many teams — more than half of which appear only semi-competently run — also just have their guys run up and down the court with no real grit and determination. It’s what sets players like Ginobli, Bryant, Nash and others apart from the Baron Davis’s of the league.

I got off on a bit of a tangent — the point is that on-court failure reflects organizational failure. The W’s have obvious organizational problems that, like the Clippers and a few other teams, go way back. Winning and success are the exception, not the rule. This season is just like many of the seasons of the past decade. The we believe team was an aberration — albeit a nice one.

Until the organization starts trying to changes its organizational culture, get serious, and build players that can exemplify a more professional approach it will fail.

1) Injuries hold a young and developing team back in as severe way. We also have a coaching staff that would thrive with quality veteran players (for reference look up Warriors 2006-2008). The problem is our only quality veteran than has been healthy enough to play is Maggette. Granted, Corey has had one of his better seasons as a pro.

As much as I would like Ellison to buy our club, the front office of this team has actually assembled a decent roster that will only improve as the years go on. Unfortunately, we’ve now had 2 years in which injuries have crippled us from seeing what this lineup can do.

Just once can I see a regular season game that has Monta Curry Azubuike Wright and Biedrins starting, with Watson Morrow Maggette Randolph and Ronny off the bench, and all of them be at least 80% healthy. Before any trades that’s what I want to see.

2) Steph’s rookie season has obvioulsy been tremendous, if it wasn’t for Tyreke he would win R.O.Y. hands down. T.O’s should come down a little bit, but other than that he has impressed. YES!!!!!! Monta and Steph can work. If Monta from 2 years ago and Baron Davis can work, these two can certainly work. Offensively its a no brainer, with Monta rarely being at 100% this season, they are the heighest scoring backcourt in the league. Now that Monta knows he is the offguard, my hope is that he focuses in on the defensive end. We’ve already seen it this year that he’s learned how his quickness, athleticism and speed can make up for size and strength. He had very good man on man games guarding people like Melo, Roy, and Joe J. Having Azubuike healthy to guard the best wing players is also something that will benefit the two of them.

Obviously turnover’s are a small cause for concern. Monta just needs to trust Steph more and realize his growth as a player will make him that much more efffective transitioning back into the role he fulfilled as B.D.‘s sidekick. Part of me thinks he’s just giving Steph a hard time because he’s a rook with a lot of confidence and he wants to keep him humble, I remember him saying something about how Baron and Fisher did that to him when he first came in. If this team can just learn to use it’s quickness in tandum on the defensive end, we can hold our own. Or at least hold opponents to -110ppg.

When healthy 111 points for to 107 points against seems reasonable for this team. Those would be better numbers than our 48 win team had in 07-08, health is the key. No international ball this summer Beans. AND NO MOPED’S!!!!!!

3)Shoot 70% from the field.

Am I the only one who looked at Stephen Curry’s stats in March so far, and said, “Shooting percentage down to 40% and TO up over 4!”

Isn’t that the rookie wall right there?

Ellis is averaging over 4 TO when he has the bulk of the minutes at the point. In the last couple of months, Curry has also turned the ball over much more (3.8 in Feb, 4.4 in Mar!), since he has assumed the bulk of the point responsibilities. Ellis is a very young player still who was basically forced to play out of his natural position. If he goes back to SG, there’s no reason to worry about TO, because he won’t handle the ball as much. Curry is the one that we need to be concerned with. He is also a very young player, and is also learning to play a new position. The reasons Ellis had a lot of TO are the very same reasons Curry is and may continue to have in the near future.

Just seems like everyone is so amped to take Ellis down, and prop Curry up. This is really counter-productive. Ellis is by far the most talented scorer (RIGHT NOW) on the W’s. He’s 6th in the entire NBA, if one needs reminding. Curry has potential. Let them play together. Ellis will still get his point, and his TO will go down. Curry can focus on playmaking and taking smart shots. Get everyone else healthy, and we will have a shot at winning games.

J-Rich was the start of this teams destruction – what has Brandon Wright done for this team other than get injured every year? NOTHING

1. Just what has happened to the Warriors this year? On paper this team has some good talent yet they have been unable to piece things together. Biedrins has been AWOL, injuries have piled up and unless they are at home they have little chance to win. This can’t be all ownership’s fault can it?

It’s not all anyone’s fault… there’s plenty of blame to go around. The biggest reasons we’re 17-46, in no particular order:

Injuries. Bad luck is largely to blame, but not entirely. The front office should take some flak for signing an injury risk like Maggette and burning so many roster spots on middling cap commodities. Nellie should take some flak for overplaying Monta to the point of making issues more likely. Everybody’s to blame for forcing Ronny out there on such a bum knee and ankle. And at this point, you have to point fingers at Tom Abdenour. When guys are repeatedly going down with injuries in the same areas, the trainer is probably not doing a very good job.

Lack of talent, at the top of the roster and on the defensive end. One could blame bad luck for the lack of a superstar… it’s not like the Warriors have passed one up in the draft or let one slip away. But Riley, Nellie et al are to blame for the utter lack of defensive talent. The pieces also fit together pretty poorly, much of which is the fault of the current regime, some of which may be on Mullin’s head.

Monta’s playing losing basketball, dominating the ball in a way that stifles the offense and sinks the team’s chances. This is largely on Monta, but Nellie certainly hasn’t done anything to address the situation, and in fact exacerbated it by giving Monta such an ungodly number of minutes early on.

Biedrins is out of sync, due largely to his fear of the free throw line, and partly to the guards’ refusal to involve him in the offense. Mostly on Beans, but again, Nellie did nothing to help the situation. Which leads us to…

Terrible coaching, both from Nellie and Keith Smart. Lazy and misguided decision-making has made a bad situation much, much worse. These guys have used the wrong players (Mikki, Vlad), overused smallball, screwed up end-game situations repeatedly, and let big, basic problems go unaddressed for weeks at a time. Awful, awful stuff.

2. Talk about Steph Curry and the season he has had. Can he and Ellis co-exist?

He’s had an excellent rookie season. Not perfect — his defense and playmaking could both use some work — but given that he was a small-conference shooting guard just a year ago, you’ve got to give him a big thumbs-up. It’s not yet clear if he and Monta can co-exist, but as I see it, that’s more an issue of Monta’s game this season being dysfunctional in general, not just with respect to Curry.

3. What are the keys to the game for the Warriors to get a win against the Raps?

Shoot well from distance and stay out of foul trouble, so the Raptors can’t live at the line like they normally do.

Watson and Buike! Woooohooooo! best bench in the NBA.

Option 1: Yes
Option 2: No
Option 3: Haven’t had a good look at the team, can’t say yes or no

Sure when we pose the question in this manner we don’t instantaneously get the ‘juicy’ Monta v Curry battle of words, however we do attack the actual problem, is this team right for Curry. Before I address that issue, I’d like to address the whole Steph and Monta ‘problem’

*Seeing as how this was/is built as ’Monta’s team’ this transition in perception can be a bit tough for players, front office and especially us fans. But what we need to remember is that this is a TEAM game, and that these players have been playing this TEAM game since they were very young, some of them all their lives. Everyone on a team knows that the ultimate goal is to win as much and as often as possible. Sure some ego’s are bruised when the "Supastar’ has to relinquish control to the better player, but that doesn’t mean that the player who was option 1 on the team is upset when the team aquires a better option 1. The team becomes better and has a better chance of winning. Did Melo get pissed when the Nuggets grabbed A.I. or Chauncey? No because he still understands that he is their scorer. His role is to put points on the board in a diverse way, the PG’s role is to throw the offense off guard by being a threat to pass or score.

That’s why when people say “this can’t work” they are being disingenuous. What they should say is “this won’t work because Monta doesn’t want it to work because he doesn’t like or respect Stephen.” To that I say, “show me some proof”. Sure at the beginning of the season he was pissed at the front office for lying and not getting a SupaStar over the offseason. Specifically the Amar’e trade, which lead to Jax wanting out. We of course declined the deal because we drafted Steph, so it would be reasonable for Monta to take the position he did with Steph. “You prevented us from being a playoff team, you made my best friend leave, so you better show me something.” Which Monta expressed by challenging Steph’s ability to run the point alongside Monta. How did Steph respond?

Well if it wasn’t for the LeBron of PG’s, Tyreke Evans, he put on an undisputed R.O.Y campaign. The kid has absolutely shined. Sure he makes mistakes, but for a 21 year old rookie who’s had to deal with all of the injuries this team sustained, the uncertainty of personnel, and just the general BS that was involved with our team this year, he has impressed everyone in the organization. I guess except Monta?

That logic just doesn’t make sense to me. Everyone in the NBA is impressed with, and respects Steph Curry, everyone. So to assume that his backcourt-mate who practices with him everyday and has played tons of games alongside him is the only person in the NBA who doesn’t like Steph as a person and player seems pretty stupid. You’re saying that Monta is pissed at Steph for stealing his role, for being the playmaker. That’s silly, Monta didn’t want to be a PG in the first place! He knows he’s better playing next to a guard who is going to let him get work for open space and then hit him with a sick pass. What seems to be Monta’s favorite offensive play to run? I would say it is the play where he backs down his defender then spins around him to get hoopside position to put home the alley oop. Monta knows Steph is one of the 2 best passers he’s ever played with.
Now a question that needs answering I guess, is Monta actually Pissed?

Hell Yeah!!!!! But he isn’t pissed at Steph or us, he’s pissed at the front office. He hates the same folks we do. The same people who lied to his face, and to Jack, about aquiring an all star big man this offseason. The same folks that dismantled the We Believe squad for him and Andris, even though Monta knows he’s not ready, which is why he wanted Jack and Amar’e with him.

See, there seem to be some people here that think Monta prefers to be the “Supastar” over being a winner. That to me is not only an unsubstantiated lie, it is also an attack on the character of a young man who has devoted his livelyhood to playing a TEAM sport. Doesn’t make sense.

As for the team.
Steph is going to be a pg we haven’t seen before, kind of a more athletic Steve Nash who has a more diverse way of scoring. So he’s going to need some complements. First he needs other scorers, that’s more than taken care of. He needs rebounding and defense as well.

To me we have some of the most athletic players in the league for their positions, we just need to have the right coaches here to teach them to use that speed, quickness, and athleticism on the defensive end as well.

To me we are very comparable to Portland, Steph is BRoy Monta is LMA. I don’t think they have a Maggette, maybe Rudy in terms of being 6th man extraordinaire. We don’t have an Oden, we do have a #3 pick though. Pryzbilla=Ronny or AB. Batum can be compared AR, lots of potential talent, still young, raw, injury trouble, guess BWright works there.

What I’m getting at is that we have the potential to be a good team. Patience is a virtue, unless it’s dealing with Cohan selling.