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Interesting?
yeah, in that he kinda debates himself and comes up with no real answer?
I’d definitely keep wall if we get the #1 spot then trade either Montay or Curr-bury for a SF, they are both less athletic than wall and more likely to have maxed out their potential.
Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Mar 10, 2010 10:33 PM PST reply actions
Agreed
Honestly I think a Wall/Ellis back court is better than a Curry/Wall back court. Wall and Curry would be strange seeing as though it’s two PG’s and both need the ball to live up to there potential. Also Wall is pretty big for a point and is pretty strong.
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I don't agree
The problem with a Wall/Ellis back court is that they’re both slashers and neither are very good shooters.
by Reverend_Randy on Mar 10, 2010 11:02 PM PST up reply actions
We have enough shooters to compliment them
Ammo, Buike, maybe CJ stays, and I can see Wall developing a shot. He has a good mid range jumper but his NBA 3 is still developing. But I can definitely see him developing a 3 point shot
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Well
Let’s look at our starting line up.
Wall
Ellis
Buike
Randolph
Biedrins
That’s only one reasonably good three point shooter.
Curry
Wall
Buike
Randolph
Biedrins
I like the way this looks better. I could also see Wall developing into a pretty good shooter, but it’s practically guaranteed that he won’t be as good a shooter as Curry.
by Reverend_Randy on Mar 11, 2010 12:39 AM PST up reply actions
But how does a Wall/ Curry back court work?
That’s two guys who need the ball in there hands and both are pure points. Wall can score like a 2 but by no means is one. Wall and Ellis seem to be a better fit together size and need wise than Wall/Curry
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Let’s look at our starting line up. Wall Ellis Buike Randolph Biedrins?
But you are leaving out the player we could trade Curr-bury plus other players for?
Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Mar 11, 2010 10:45 AM PST up reply actions
Wall and Curry would be strange seeing as though it’s two PG’s and both need the ball to live up to there potential.
Wall has the size, talent and athleticism to play SG. There’s no problems with Wall/Curry, even if Wall had the ball in his hands a lot (think Wade), he’s still gonna create a lot for others, including Curry, and given how good a shooter Curry is….well, he can be really effective without the ball in his hands.
by Missing Barry on Mar 11, 2010 7:25 AM PST up reply actions
Not nearly as good as he is with the ball
We saw that early in the year this year. Curry off the ball is purely a shooter, he’s not a good enough cutter or slasher to be a full time 2. Also Wall is a court general, he can score like a 2 but is not a 2.
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There’s enough time to go around for two guys, especially when they both know how to create for others. In general, there’s just not a very good reason a PG can’t play wing – if they have skills to be effective at PG, well….those skills translate to the wing. The problem only comes when a wing tries to play PG and doesn’t have the ballhandling and/or passing skills to do it. Lebron is essentially a PG in a PF’s body, so he plays SF, and is the best player in the NBA by far. It really isn’t a problem.
by Missing Barry on Mar 11, 2010 9:25 AM PST up reply actions
Lebron is a completely different case all together
You can’t compare anyone to him. Yes they may be able to play the 2 but it wouldn’t be using either to there full effectiveness. We’d be holding them back
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Yes they may be able to play the 2 but it wouldn’t be using either to there full effectiveness. We’d be holding them back
Holding them back from what? It’s not just Lebron – Wade creates for his teammates at a PG rate, Jordan did it….there’s nothing wrong with having too many guys that can create for their teammates. The problem is only when you have too few who can. A couple more examples – Stockton/Hornacek, Thomas/Dumars – if you’ve got the skills to play PG, you can use those same skills to be effective off the ball. PG’s are special because they can play the other positions, while the other positions can’t play theirs. :)
(Yes, I was a PG)
by Missing Barry on Mar 11, 2010 9:49 AM PST up reply actions
Your using examples of all time greats
Who knows if Steph or Wall do that. And we saw Curry off the ball and it did hold him back, as for Wall he may be a good 2 but he’d be a great point guard. You’d be holding back there full potential as players.
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Curry’s production did suffer when he was off the ball. But I think the reason is because once Curry gave up the ball or never had the ball to begin with he would never get it back (usually giving the ball to Monta). I think if it was Wall and Curry we would be seeing some awesome ball movement and basketball would be fun to watch again.
by SuperStarAR on Mar 11, 2010 11:09 AM PST up reply actions
Yep – this. Curry wasn’t effective off the ball because our guys who had the ball aren’t good at creating for others (mostly Monta + Maggette) or getting others involved. Basically, Curry was off the ball while a non-PG was basically playing PG instead. Bad situation. Wings can’t play PG, but PG’s can play wing. :)
by Missing Barry on Mar 11, 2010 11:15 AM PST up reply actions
Still he'd be a limited catch and shoot guy
And his overall effectiveness would drop. Same as Wall. I’d want the ball in there hands as much as possible but them going 50/50 id not enough for either
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It seems to me your biggest issue is the fact that there’s two players and only one ball. As a Warriors fan, of course we’re all new to that concept as we have a hard enough time finding ONE good player, much less two….but it works, it’s a good thing, I promise! The Lakers run through Kobe at times, and through Pau other times. Parker gets his possessions for the Spurs, but so does Duncan. Rondo/Allen/Pierce make it work in Boston, plus they have KG. Chauncey and Melo get it done. It’s a problem I want to have!
Plus, given their ability to create for each other, they’ll benefit by receiving the ball in a favorable position at times – with the defense off balance and rotating, nobody available to help, and just a one on one situation for Curry and Wall with their man (or even someone else that can’t guard them who’s rotated over) closing out on them. That’s the kind of situation a good offense looks to take advantage of.
by Missing Barry on Mar 11, 2010 11:34 AM PST up reply actions
i agree partially
Ultimately you have to find a 5 that WORKS defensively. You can then figure out an offense which works. It’s a lot easier to change systems offensively. Jordan/Pippen weren’t point guards but triangle was hugely success for them cause of ball movement philsophies and lack of need of a primary ball handler? Why couldnt that work for a Curry/Wall backcourt?
Difference with Curry/Wall and Curry/Monta is Wall has real potential to guard SGs VERY well.
Anyone know Wall’s wingspan. That + putting strength on will be the key. He’s same weight as wade. Difference is wade has gigantic wingspan is is stronger than most SG.
Also good defensive fundamentlas and desire a la joe dumars
Bets case scenario
We get the #1 pick. We trade the pick for the #2 pick and a big man, and then we draft Turner. We end up with a very good normal sized lineup. Curry, Morrow/Azubuike, Turner, Randolph, Big man from trade. It’s a lot better than keeping an undersized lineup like we have now, or going with Wall and Ellis, which will only prolong the backcourt smallnes that this team has.
Wall actually isn't that small
6’4 and 200 lbs. and in the NBA he’s bound to get stronger. Just throwing that out there
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Yep, Wall/Ellis actually gives us a legitimately sized backcourt. Wall is big enough to legitimately match up with SG’s, and Monta is big for his matchup with PG’s.
by Missing Barry on Mar 11, 2010 7:28 AM PST up reply actions
We trade the pick for the #2 pick
Why would the #2 team trade for the #1 pick? What leverage do we possibly have to get them to do that? Trading back and ending up with neither Wall or Turner is monumentally stupid, so it’s not like we have the threat of letting another team trade into that spot. Plus, the team with the #2 team is probably gonna suck and not have anyone worth trading for or that we can make a trade for work. What kind of big man are you expecting, exactly? We already have Biedrins/Turiaf and Randolph/Wright – they’re all legtiimate bigs, are you expecting someone that’s actually an improvement on them?
by Missing Barry on Mar 11, 2010 7:27 AM PST up reply actions
well,
this is just speculation until the lotto plays itself out, but…
should the warriors end up with the 1 spot, and the nets with the 2 spot, i’d swap our pick with theirs and trade them either curry or ellis for brook lopez.
ellis/watson
turner/morrow
azubuike/maggette
randolph/wright
lopez/biedrins
curry/watson
turner/morrow
azubuike/maggette
randolph/wright
lopez/biedrins
bench depth:
bell, radmanovich, turiaf,
by fuller over bryant on Mar 12, 2010 11:46 AM PST up reply actions
What about this scenario:
GSW gets the first pick.
NYK gets the second pick.
NYK pick up lebron and bosh. (thus needing a PG and SG that are legit…and Lee wants to move to PF)
We trade:
Wall + Ellis + Andris for Bosh + Turner
NYK:
PG: Wall
SG: Ellis
SF: Lebron
PF: Lee
C: Andris
GSW:
PG: Curry
SG: Turner
SF: Buki
PF: AR
C: Bosh
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Would he have a choice once they sign him?
Also, I don’t think he’d mind playing with Lee, Ellis, Wall…
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by LostHawkGSW on Mar 10, 2010 11:33 PM PST up reply actions
NYK doesn't have a lottery pick
Utah owns it, also I doubt Lee stays in NYK, they will probably keep Tmac, get Bosh or Amare and some role player.
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Oh...woops
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by LostHawkGSW on Mar 10, 2010 11:43 PM PST up reply actions
NYK: PG: Wall SG: Ellis SF: Lebron PF: Lee C: Andris
So your goal is to make the NYK league champions?
Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Mar 10, 2010 11:44 PM PST up reply actions
Well
Any team that gets Lebron this off season can be a champ, at least in the east.
So at least this trade would make us legit contenders for the west.
But it doesn’t matter, I was wrong, NYK don’t have their pick this draft…
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by LostHawkGSW on Mar 11, 2010 12:00 AM PST up reply actions
Wall Ellis LeBron Lee Andris
is a championship caliber starting line up. They could go all the way in East or West.
Also- how would they get Lee if they sign Bosh and LeBron? They don’t have the cap to sign all three.
by Reverend_Randy on Mar 11, 2010 12:41 AM PST up reply actions
Lebron said he’d sign for less if it means winning.
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by LostHawkGSW on Mar 11, 2010 12:52 AM PST up reply actions
It would be a lot less to get Lee
unless both Lee and Bosh would be willing to sign for way less.
Also- the only guy that has actually gone on record to say that he would absolutely sacrifice to play with top tier talent is Joe Johnson. The rest kinda talk about it, but none have been as ballsy as JJ.
by Reverend_Randy on Mar 11, 2010 1:02 AM PST up reply actions
do you think the nets would go for
wall+ellis+andris for second pick (turner) + brook + cdr, if they got real desperate and wanted to blow up there lineup build around wall, maybe move harris and ellis for some bigs or something, amare, boozer, lee , maybe joe johnson? i don’t really think it has chance of working/ don’t really know if the money would work out but think of our line up
curry,cj?
turner,marrow, bell?
cdr,az
ar, wright, tolliver
brook, turiaf
thats a solid young core that would grow together kinda like okc, with star potential in curry, turner,ar, and brook. i think we would be better off then we are now…
Brook is soft and CDR is at best a 6th man
I’d never ever do that
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Brook is soft?
I’d take brook over andris any day.
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by LostHawkGSW on Mar 11, 2010 12:27 PM PST up reply actions
If Wall is there...
you take Wall and trade him…Steph is not have the athlete that Jon Wall is but his understanding of the game supersedes Wall’s athletic ability. Steph’s knowledge of the game isnt something you can teach, nor his lights out shooting. When you watch Wall, he gets his numbers but he’s working extremly hard. Steph Curry is a fluid point gaurd that makes others better, by just making the right play, easily. Evan Turner would go great with Steph and you could still keep Monta and play him off the ball. Curry and Turner are both very good passers and would take pressure off Monta
his understanding of the game supersedes Wall’s athletic ability
Let me know when Curry is as good as Chris Paul, or Dwight Howard, or Lebron or Wade. That kind of special athletic ability makes Wall a potential superstar. I like Curry, don’t get me wrong, but he doesn’t have the same ceiling as Wall. I’d rather gamble on the bigger ceiling, because if you hit, the reward is huge. Superstars win games.
by Missing Barry on Mar 11, 2010 7:49 AM PST up reply actions
Why the hate hate hate on Curry?
Compare CP3’s rookie season and Curry’s current season:
CP3 vs Curry
MPG: 36 vs 35.9
FG: 43% vs 45.5%
3PT: 28% vs 41%
Reb: 5 vs 4
Assists Per Game: 7.8 versus 5.4
PPG: 16.1 versus 16
Some bare bones stats to be sure, but…
Let me know when Curry is as good as Chris Paul
Consider yourself on notice! Comparing their rookie seasons, at the same point in their development Curry is as good as CP3. Yeah- that’s quite a leap in assists per game, but he has been forced to play second fiddle to Monta. FWIW, in February and March his assists per game have risen to 7. Obviously these aren’t as good as the other stats available, but I’d imagine they shed the same light.
I don’t know enough about college bball nor John Wall, but Curry is a keeper by every measure.
Why does an attempt to analyze one of our players have to be hate, especially since all I did was call him not as good as a guy who’s on pace to be the 2nd greatest PG of all time? I even say I like Curry in the same paragraph!
Ok, getting down to some real discussion, that’s one thing to look at. So….how did Chris Paul become as good as he did? Was the improvement he showed from his rookie year to his 4th season (when he was unbelievably good) typical, and can Curry follow his path? One point – aging curves, supposedly they tend to work on age as opposed to number of years in the NBA, so it seems it might be more appropriate to compare their age 21 seasons as opposed to their rookie seasons. Next, given how good Chris Paul is, he probably improved substantially more than most NBA players tend to do. I don’t know this to be true, I don’t know a ton on the subject, but that’s the line of thinking I’m going with. How likely is it that Curry improves as substantially as Paul did? Next point – more specific to the player, what skills do they/don’t they have that they can or can’t improve upon? Paul is a very good athlete for a PG, Curry is not – that’s something Curry can’t necessarily improve upon in any substantial way. On the other hand, something like shooting can be improved upon, and Paul has done just that – he’s shooting 42% from 3 this season (and has a general upward trend for his career) – what can Curry do to match that to keep pace with Paul’s improvement? One thing I see for Curry that I expect improvement on is TO’s, so he has that going for him (Paul was always good at taking care of the ball). Paul also saw a big improvement in his overall scoring efficiency – Curry is already a good shooter, where is that improvement going to come from? As for assists, I do expect Curry to improve as a playmaker, we’ve already seen it this year, but can he lead the league in assists? Does he have the ability to create enough to do that? He needs to improve a lot to get to that level even on what he’s been donig so far this year – is he going to show that improvement? Finally….defense. Paul is a good defender who creates tons of turnovers. Curry creates turnovers, but probably doesn’t have the athleticism to ever match Paul defensively.
In the end, a lot of my opinion is simply based on odds – why assume someone is the outlier when it’s more likely that they’re normal?
by Missing Barry on Mar 11, 2010 10:20 AM PST up reply actions
H8R
Sorry, I was using the word “hate” loosely, as in Time Haters “hate hate hate.” Don’t take the word so seriously my man.
Nothing about what I said answers any of your many, many wonderful questions. I said, at this point in time, it’s not a stretch to call him as good as CP3 at the same point in time. If you want to adjust for age and time in the NBA, they’re separated by, what, a year at most? Not particularly useful imo, but your results may vary. It’s just a very quick glance at two players, and I cannot predict what they’ll do in the future. It seems that you see a guy who is closer to “normal,” and I see a guy closer to “outlier.”
Channeling BSabean, at the end of the day this has more to do with my own unfamiliarity with John Wall than it is a cp3 v Curry argument. I’m not ready to abandon Curry for college bball’s “next big thing,” which you seem ready willing and able to do.
Nah, I’m a strong proponent of a Curry/Wall backcourt, don’t worry.
by Missing Barry on Mar 11, 2010 11:30 AM PST up reply actions
I’ll tell you that my first reaction is a ::sigh:: of disappointment. The Warriors finally do the right thing and stink up the joint, but the BPA is yet another small guy. The dubs don’t compete in a vacuum, ya know? It’s part of the reason I loved Sjax so much; who is going to guard the Kobes, LBJs, DWades of the world? More small guys, more being mediocre, more of the same until the end of time. Boo
Well, we’ll have to wait for some official John Wall measurements to come out, but I don’t think he’s small at all. He seemingly has great length, he’s listed at 6’4, and he has the frame to fill out nicely, plus he’s 19 and may grow a bit more, and even if he doesn’t, his body will mature more……we could be looking at essentially a PG version of Wade in the future, from a size/athleticism standpoint. I’m pretty confident he’ll have pretty ideal size to guard SG’s. LBJ is a different problem…..but, everyone has that problem – he’s too quick for anyone his size and too big and strong for anyone as quick as him. At least we only have to play them twice. :)
by Missing Barry on Mar 11, 2010 12:25 PM PST up reply actions
um
Regarding LBJ:
At least we only have to play them twice. :)
In my scenario the Warriors are perennial finals contenders who routinely meet up with the Knicks for classic finals series throughout the 20tens. So um we’ll have to face him a LOT more than that!
Why the hate hate hate on Curry?
It didn’t sound like hate, more like the physics of athleticism. Curr-bury can learn all he wants but he can’t get a body transplant, while Wall might surprise you with his learning ability?
Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Mar 11, 2010 10:53 AM PST up reply actions
t didn’t sound like hate, more like the physics of athleticism. Curr-bury can learn all he wants but he can’t get a body transplant,
This is a riot !! listen close, Curry don’t need another body because the one he’s in right now is doing just fine…he’s so much better than John Wall right now it’s not even funny…
You guys remind me of the old adage “The grass is always greener on the other side” We have the guy that we have been looking for to build around…..if we have a chance to get Wall fine but he will have to prove on the court he’s the better man and I don’t see that happening for several years if at all..
Curry don’t need another body because the one he’s in right now is doing just fine…
well “just fine” is not the same as NBA supastah. Without dopin there’s only so much he can do with that body. Look at lebron, you think his brains are what makes him better than everyone else? Curry could possibly be another Nash or Iverson but there’s no way he can be another Magic Johnson. Get it?
Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Mar 12, 2010 12:21 PM PST up reply actions
yes brilliant minds think alike!
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by StinkyFingers on Mar 11, 2010 8:40 AM PST up reply actions
I agree with everything you say but trade Wall?
No, not at all. And his knowledge as a PG is very good. He’s not just athletic, he’s the whole package
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funny the experts are of the opinion
that Curry has superstar written all over him. This whole athletic thing is bogus. Like a Q back in the NFL. The biggest asset a point guard has is between is ears not his hops. Who gives a rats ars if a PG can dunk. Steve Nash can barely touch the net. Magic Johnson had a 12 inch vertical. He was brilliant upstairs, had court vision and Baskeball smarts. These are the attributes Curry has. DO NOT TRADE CURRY!!!
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i agree
for a point guard, it’s about the smarts more than athleticism. But Magic had a vertical of 30" not to mention he had the size of a 4/5.
Ohhhhhh I forgot how PG’s stand in a pocket where they don’t have to move more than a couple of steps, just like QB’s. What was I thinking. It’s not like they have to run up and down the floor and beat their man and play defense and everything else all basketabll players have to do! :)
(Also, if you’re making a point, I wouldn’t use someone like Magic who had very good physical attributes as your example to make the point that they don’t help)
But seriously, anytime you want to have a serious discussion, you could put some thought into your argument like I did in the Deron Williams dunk fanshot. Just making blanket statements like “the experts are of the opinion that Curry has superstar written all over him” doesn’t really add much. What experts? Do they actually know what they’re talking about? Are they even saying these things to begin with? As I said in the other post, it seems (based on what you’re said so far) that your entire opinion is based on seeing Steve Nash, and assuming Curry will become Steve Nash just because he’s a similar style player (and ignoring all the other similar style players that never become nearly as good as Steve Nash). That’s a pretty crappy and meaningless way of evaluating a player. If you want more details, I go into it more here.
I’m legitimately interested in other people’s opinions, but only if there’s some thought and real analysis behind them. If you have something worthwhile to add, I would very much like to hear it, but if your thought process doesn’t go beyond “he’s kinda like [best player possible that plays a similar style, in this case Steve Nash] so he’s gonna have a similar career”….well, then we won’t be having anymore discussions on the topic.
by Missing Barry on Mar 11, 2010 9:14 AM PST up reply actions
In search of a "super star"
Can we all agree that elite athleticism in Super stars is the norm. Sure their are a few freaks like Nash who aren’t that big and can’t jump high (althouh even his athleticism can be argued. he’s more coordinated, quick, etc played soccer blah blah blah) point being that the super start that doesn’t exihibit elite athleticism is the exception to the rule. This is why so many people place Wall above Turner even though turner has the better COLLEGE stats. Again, we sometimes get to absorbed in them. Wall is also much younger in his development. To most, Wall has a much higher Super Star potential than turner who in my opinion may have maxed out. That still makes him a good NBA player and great team-mate but does not have the same value as Wall in the NBA draft.
I would echo that theory with D.Cousins. A lot of what he can do in college may be mitigated in the NBA. His size get’s him a lot of those rebounds, blocks, etc. His size will not be as dominate in the NBA and his lack of quickness will be more evident. (I’m interested to see where his vertical comes in at)
I see Wall and W.Johnson as the guys with the most potential in the top 10. Aminu…..ew,….boring and we alredy have Randolph who is taller, and faster.
Let’s keep in mind parring Wall with Curry isn’t all that much different that Ellis with Curry except that Wall is a lot cheaper for the next 4 years. It’s also interesting to hear people say that Curry is a shooter and Wall is a slasher so it’s a good fit but we already have that fit with Ellis (slasher…actually one of the best in the entire NBA as far as points in the paint are concerned). Again, trading Mayo for Ellis would’ve decreased our points in the paint. We should not trade Ellis.
you could put some thought into your argument like I did in the Deron Williams dunk fanshot
My friend “Missing Barry Bonds” your still doubting the credibility of Steph Curry as he is running down TEvans for the ROY award? and your pretending that all the sports writters and those who follow the game don’t know what there talking about when they all agree they are starting to see greatness in his game?
The truth is no one needs to break down how athletic they think he is, or how fast they think he is, or how strong they think he is…..all they need to do is watch him play…his game speaks for itself……You can take his numbers and draw the picture…
It seems to me that you have been trying to prove some point you made back in the beginning of the year that Curry could not be mentioned even in the same breath with Steve Nash….and that Bobby Knight was talking out of his head…=) But you have been proven wrong on both counts =) It’s time give it a rest…the Kid has proven you wrong =) don’t you luv it !!
….so basically you don’t want to have an in depth conversation on the subject. Good to know.
by Missing Barry on Mar 11, 2010 9:32 PM PST up reply actions
I tend to think both Wall and Turner will be great players
If you have a potential superstar like Wall, you want to groom him to be the more specialized position. ( that is PG ) If you can’t get some value in trade and get the #1 pick, you defintely get Wall.
I think Curry and Turner could be the best possible back court. Though I wouldn’t be opposed to keeping Monta and making Turner a 3.
If we were to get the first pick and get Wall, the question then becomes what potential draft pick number 2 team is motivated to trade up for a PG superstar?.
New Jersey—— has Devin Harris, defintely not a Wall, but they have a number of more pressing holes to fill. Turner would look good.
Minnesoita already has a logjam of potential point guards with a combo guard like Flynn, Sessions and the expectation of Rubio.Turner would fit in well there too.
Indiana drafting 2- The Pacers have the worst back court situation in the NBA.They’re paying TJ Ford to sit right now. Would they be interested in swapping draft picks and trading Beans and a second round pick for Murphy ( though Murphy doesn’t thrill me,but despite many revisionists claims to the contrary, Murphy is one of the few Warrior castoffs that strong> has improved since being traded from the W’s. Or better ,maybe a Monta for Granger trade and swap of the number one and two picks. That would leave
Curry————-Wall
Turner———-Ellis
Granger——-Dunleavy
Randolph—-Murphy
Beans————Hibbert
Morrow and Az could play and fillin at the 2 and 3. Freeing up Maggs to trade, if possible.
by War Years Legacy on Mar 11, 2010 10:19 AM PST reply actions
If you have a potential superstar like Wall, you want to groom him to be the more specialized position. ( that is PG )
Interesting point…
by Missing Barry on Mar 11, 2010 10:22 AM PST up reply actions
How about Trading for another top 10 pick?
Wasn’t it Minnesota last year that pulled it off? I would love back to back picks.
I’d try to do this. Keep our pick and try to trade Beidrins for another top 10 pick.
This would give us a good shot at Turner or Johnson paired with either; Cousins, Whiteside, Favors, Monroe, Aldridge (had to add him) and we’d have more cap flexibility.
Ultimate Offseason would be...
Drafting Turner
Trade Ellis for Mayo + fillers
Lineup for next season: Curry, Mayo, Turner, Randolph, Biedrins
That team's lack of slashers and inside scoring
Would hurt them badly. Also Turner although is good off the ball is best with the ball in his hands and a point forward. Also OJ is the same way. Off the ball he’s a shooter with little off ball cutting to the inside. Case and point, too soft and too many guys need the ball to be fully affective. Part of the charm of having Monta, Curry and ET together is Monta would be off the ball full time with ET and Curry handling the ball
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That would be a very good passing team too boot. interesting point. However, Monta is a pretty good passer as well (most forget). Not an elite passer like Curry or other PG’s but pretty good for SG. He can also hand the ball pretty good for a SG too. Personally i think we end up with too many “ball handlers”. Don’t forget Randolph. I’d prefer a guy that doesn’t need the ball to produce good numbers. Wes Johnson. I’d also bet once Nellie get’s to see him fly and shoot he’ll be locked in. He’s got good size and a great NBA body. He’s also added a lot of muscle. If he can continue to build on that…..man…..He should be a Warrior.
I’ve been watching Wall and don’t see him dominating at the Collage level yet…he may by next year start to get there but so far he can’t take over games and control the tempo….he’s great in transition but he can’t break down the other team when their defense is set…
He has the talent to be a superior player but is no where near ready to come into the NBA and be dominant..
At this stage of the game, Curry has a much greater BBIQ than Wall, a much better passer, and a much better shooter and much better at the line…Wall has not mastered the screen and role and looks lost at times trying to get other players going…
I think we don’t know how good we have it with Curry right now, he’s almost being taken for granted…he’s 5 years ahead of where Nash was in his rookie year right now…and he’s close to where Rose was last year…Wall will have a long way to go to catch Steph even if we did get him…He’s 19, so I give him a couple of years to feel his way around the NBA, he won’t come into the league and put up the kind of numbers Steph is in his first year…mark my word on that one -) you heard it first from Cryptic !!
The reason why he cant penetrate is:
A lot of college teams try to run zone against Kentucky.
Also, there is a lot of lane cloggage because of the attention Cousins gets inside.
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he won’t come into the league and put up the kind of numbers Steph is in his first year…mark my word on that one -) you heard it first from Cryptic !!
No I already heard it somewhere else long ago. The point is not how Wall’s experience compares to steffy’s right now but how their strength and athleticism will compare in about 3 or 4 years? People can learn but they can’t replace their body?
We might not get the #1 pick you know, so don’t get all worried for nothing :>) If we do get Wall it just gives us more options for team possibilities.
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