Have a little more patience with Randolph
by duballers23 on Mar 19, 2010 1:23 PM PDT
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PrintWhy are people so quick to put Randolph on the trade block, just because he didn't average a double-double in 22 minutes a game this year? People are expecting too much from Randolph too soon in his career. Not all guys come into the league and show consistency right away. The guy is ONLY 20 years old. He's still a KID. Curry is also still a kid, but he is more mature and played college ball for 3 years and got to learn a lot in those 3 years. Randolph on the other hand only stayed in college for one year (he should have stayed longer), and is still learning a lot.
Why do so many act as if he had a dissappointing second year in terms of his play? He actually had a solid second year in my opinion. 11.6 ppg, 6.5 rpg, and 1.5 bpg in 22.7 mpg is pretty good for a second year power forward who is ONLY 20. I think many people on here are really underestimating his performance in the 33 games he played in this year. A lot of people thought he would be a 15 and 10 guy in his second year, and anything short of that is considered a down year.
If you take a look at some guys who are good now at the power forward spot, they didn't play great right away. Some examples are Jermaine O'Neal (took him about 5 years to become good, and when he did, he was an all star), Josh Smith (had very similar stats to AR in his second year, but played 10 more minutes per game), David West (he didn't blossom until he got 30 plus minutes per game in his third year), Al Jefferson (Same deal as West), and Andray Blatche (Once he started playing 30 plus minutes per game when Jamison was traded, he became a major threat at the 4). Randolph is younger than those guys were when they broke out by a few years, which means he is ahead of most of them in terms of production at the beginning of their careers. Just because Randolph didn't go crazy and explode right away like KG, Duncan, Bosh, and Stoudemire did, doesn't mean he isn't going to be a star player.
Randolph only played 33 games this year, so his production was more than likely going to go up as the year went on and his minutes would have gone up. Next year he is probably going to get the chance to play 30 plus minutes a game, he'll probably get bigger and stronger, and it may be the year he breaks out. Even if it isn't, it doesn't mean that he won't break out and become the player that many people expect him to be. Don't worry about Randolph because he is right on track in where he is supposed to be in his development.
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Rec'd, Agreed. One minute so many proclaim AR the second coming then next minute they are ready to give him away.
We are in rebuild mode and blowing up the team is not the answer I feel. It is going to take a couple of years(without this crazy % of injurys that we have had the past 2 years) more with this young team and high draft picks to see what we really have. No one is exempt from a trade but where we are now it does not look like we will get the right value anyway.
I would vote to give him time and patience,and Wright as well.
by Only In Fairfax on Mar 19, 2010 1:43 PM PDT reply actions
I am in enthusiastic agreement. Rec'd
Lets let Randolph, Curry, Monta, and our other young players that we like play together for a while. Give them a chance to develop or at least wait until they play together for a while when none of them are rookies and none of them are injured…
How dare you ask me to have patience. I’ve been waiting for 15 years net 1 year of We Believe.
Confident Marco Belinelli supporter
This is the kind of attitute that pisses me off!
We all know that we’ve sucked for a long time and we all want the team to get good sooner than later. Its just that those of us that are saying to be patient think that being patient is going to be the best way to build a good team quickly. Unless we can trade for Bosh or Wade or some other player that we cannot trade for, what other good option do we have except to be patient?
by freerandolph on Mar 19, 2010 5:24 PM PDT up reply actions
Its just that those of us that are saying to be patient think that being patient is going to be the best way to build a good team quickly
Haha, hasn’t worked yet has it?
Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Mar 19, 2010 10:48 PM PDT up reply actions
We haven't been patient yet...
When did we ever draft players and build patiently trying to get a good team. Never… Our team changes so every few years none of the same players are on the team.
by freerandolph on Mar 20, 2010 10:21 PM PDT up reply actions
When did we ever draft players and build patiently trying to get a good team.
That’s all they ever do , draft, draft, draft. Then they say be patient till these guys grow up, they got potential. Other than Boom they haven’t brought in a top player in years.
Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Mar 20, 2010 10:35 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah like how we kept C-Web his whole career.
And Jamison and J-Rich. And B didy. And S Jax. Arenas too. We keep all the good players we get and patiently build around them.
Granted, we haven’t had that many good players over the past 15 years, but we definitely have not kept players and built up our team. Now has it been a bad thing that we haven’t kept our decent players? Not necessarily. I’m sure glad we didn’t lock up Arenas, for one! But now is the time to be patient and see if our young players can develop into anything.
Obviously if we could trade Randolph and Ellis, or Randolph and Wright for Bosh I would do it in a heart beat. But a trade like that is utterly unrealistic. If we traded Randolph it would probably be for some second, or third tier, player like J-Rich or someone like that. I would rather take my chances with Randolph personally.
by freerandolph on Mar 21, 2010 8:30 AM PDT up reply actions
This is the kind of attitute that pisses me off!
Well screw you for not reading between the lines LOL. I was being facetious.
Confident Marco Belinelli supporter
by Doctor Kajita on Mar 22, 2010 3:12 PM PDT up reply actions
Why are people so quick to put Randolph on the trade block
Because this team needs to make changes and it’s unlikely that another team is going to give us anything of value for the overpaid broken toasters most mock trades seem to propose we use to acquire perennial all-stars. Randolph has real value as potential, value that other teams may pay for.
Outside of the free agents (who won’t sign here or agree to a sign and trade to come here) who do you think would even be available that would make a trade of Randolph advantagous?
Clearly you value known quantities over potential so let’s just focus on what Ranolph does well consistently. Then add the potential as a tie-breaker between him and someone of equal proven production.
He rebounds very well and hits his FTs. Who can we get who is an improvement on what he does?
I give pressure the reach-around.
by bloodsweatndonuts on Mar 19, 2010 3:06 PM PDT up reply actions
Agreed in principle about the concept of giving to get. Problem for me is, when I look around the league, outside of 7 or 8 vets in their prime (LeBron, Howard, Paul, Wade, Roy, Deron, Gasol, maybe Josh Smith, maybe Bosh) and 4 or 5 young studs still on their rookie contracts (Oden, Durant, Horford, Griffin, maybe Bynum, maybe Love), there’s not really anyone in the NBA I think is clearly worth moving Randolph for. And all those guys are either totally untouchable or about to sign max deals with a team of their choosing. So we’re left with the option of either (a) holding onto Randolph and his uncertain-but-not-at-all-unimaginable chance of blossoming like JSmooth; or (b) shipping Randolph (and some salary ballast) for a flawed second-or-third tier star. I dunno … kinda seems like a no-brainer to me.
Edit: what BSD said.
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by Sleepy Freud on Mar 19, 2010 3:17 PM PDT up reply actions
Why do we need to make changes?
Our team is really young and really injured. You don’t know how good we could be if our young players stop getting injured, we get a good play or two in the draft, and let our young guys develop…
by freerandolph on Mar 19, 2010 5:25 PM PDT up reply actions
Why do we need to make changes?
cause we are too small and too soft
Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Mar 19, 2010 10:55 PM PDT up reply actions
We also haven't played one game with all of out players yet...
by freerandolph on Mar 20, 2010 10:21 PM PDT up reply actions
We also haven't played one game with all of out players yet...
One game with all them is not gonna make them magically bigger or tougher
Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Mar 20, 2010 10:37 PM PDT up reply actions
Well evidently
before he got injured, Wright bulked up some. Randolph still can. And if we get a little bigger at Center I think we’ll be doing fine size wise.
by freerandolph on Mar 21, 2010 8:32 AM PDT up reply actions
Randolph has real value as potential, value that other teams may pay for.
But he could have lots more value if he turns that potential into proven.
I think his trade value is depressed right now due to his injury shortened season. To me he has more upside value here next season than any players other teams might wanna give us for him in his present questionable status?
Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Mar 19, 2010 10:54 PM PDT up reply actions
That’s a big if. He may or may not pan out. We’ll see. But if a good opportunity did arise (which is really unlikely) to get a great player for him, we should take it. I predict that opportunity will not arise, though. We’re probably best off gambling on Randolph.
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Just because Randolph didn’t go crazy and explode right away like KG, Duncan, Bosh, and Stoudemire did, doesn’t mean he isn’t going to be a star player.
No, it doesn’t, but there are some reasonable signs of what a player can do that in almost all cases are apparent from very, very early. The true stars (not the guys who put up superficially good numbers who are merely around average or lower contributors like David West) usually show that they do the important things well very early in their career. The Josh Smiths who explode and go from the superficial to the truly super are rare and it’s bad to bank on that happening. In Randolph’s favor, one of those early indicators is being able to rebound well, so he may have shown enough. But in general, banking on ‘potential’ developing if it doesn’t do so rather early in a career is a losing proposition.
He's only 20
Give him a break!
-Mike Fox
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I give pressure the reach-around.
by bloodsweatndonuts on Mar 19, 2010 3:07 PM PDT up reply actions
He’s only 20!!!!!
and a very freakishly for a big guy athletic 20 at that
Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Mar 19, 2010 10:57 PM PDT up reply actions
jae, I would like to see your breakdown on years it takes to see what a player can give you and why.
I know a lot of factors would have to go into this which is why it’s interesting. The age of the player when entering the league, how much college or overseas pro years under that player’s belt etc.
And what kinds of improvement do you expect to see a year or two in when comparing the exceptional players vs 2nd tier players?
"If God made us in his image then he must be dumb too, and a little ugly on the side."
Frank Zappa
The first key is that while they’re not perfect, per-minute extrapolation is actually reasonably good for showing what a player can and cannot do.
If a player isn’t rebounding well per minute in year one, it’s real, real rare that he ever will. The couple of exceptions have turned out real well, but they’re exceptions. It’s something you can determine rather early on. Similarly guys who don’t get many assists early on rarely ever become solid playmakers at any position. Averaging 2 assists per 36? Probably never going to be your ‘point forward’.
Players who draw fouls well show this ability early on too. This seems to change rarely (save for guys who fall in love with their jumpers and stop getting to the line). If there’s no ability to do this by year two, it ain’t gonna happen.
It’s easier to wait on someone’s scoring and hope it comes around. But if a player doesn’t start to improve his scoring efficiency by year 3, it’s real rare that he will ever become competent. Those are things that improve, but rarely does it stay stagnant and then all of a sudden jump. There are exceptions, but they’re rare.
Cutting down on foul rates often happens. Cutting down on turnovers less so, but it happens as well.
The age at which a player enters the league seems to have less influence on when they reach their peak than most would think. For all players, it’s around 24 or 25.
Randolphs rebounding has been good. Scoring has been off and on. Ability to put the ball on the floor is good for a PF.
Turns it over too much, but seems like that can be a maturation thing. Defense leaves a lot to be desired, but has shown ability to get some blocks, and his good rebounding can help the defense by not giving the other team 2nd chance points. Overall, it seems to be that Randolph has been pretty decent. Very raw and not under control. Very off and on. But overall it seems to me that he has done a decent job. If he can learn how to play under control, and beef up a little I don’t see why he couldn’t be really good. Those are big “ifs” I know, but every player except for the Lebrons have somethings that they have to improve on to be a really good player.
by freerandolph on Mar 19, 2010 5:32 PM PDT up reply actions
We know Randolph rebounds well, which is a good indication right?
How has his ability to draw fouls been this year? Observationally, he seems to get fouled more often than his offensive skill would intuitively dictate, but does he get fouled at an encouraging rate for a PF or C? Are you talking about all defensive fouls or just those resulting in FTs?
I give pressure the reach-around.
by bloodsweatndonuts on Mar 19, 2010 8:17 PM PDT up reply actions
Overall, I’m positive on Randolph. The trips to the line, the rebounding both suggest he can be a contributor at the very least. But getting from their to “Bosh2.0” or whatever superlative gets tossed his way is a big step. He’s been best when he sticks to shots in the paint, only ever so rarely taking the elbow (and more often than not the right elbow) jumper when it’s just given to him. I don’t think he should waste time trying to develop the ball handling or outside shooting until he’s shown so much dominance in areas he’s strong in that other teams start having to try to take away his strengths.
It seems though that when you say "year 1" in the NBA stats wise there must be a difference between players coming out of college as juniors or seniors like Turner verses freshmen.
How do the stats referred to distinguish between this age and experience disparity?
by Only In Fairfax on Apr 2, 2010 11:40 AM PDT up reply actions
There’s a difference, but it seems like it has less to do with experience and more to do with chronological age. Both groups tend to peak at about the same age and show a similar improvement curve.
e.g. if there are two 22 year old players who are roughly equal in production, one of whom is in his first year right out of college, the other in his 3rd year, having left for the NBA after a year of college, both can be expected to improve about the same amount in the future. On average, there’s no set effect that gives the player with more NBA experience an advantage in how much he’ll continue to learn vs. already learned nor does it seem that there is a detriment to his ability to improve vs the player who went to college.
Of course, the players who enter the league after a single year of college tend to be more talented to begin and tend to have higher peaks as a result and this makes for a noisier dataset with exceptions, but they tend to go in both directions. Making a prediction on how much a player will improve based on his years in the league alone and not based on age is not easy to do. Making a prediction based on age exclusive of NBA experience has a better chance of being a good prediction.
The biggest problem with the sort of predictions drawn from it though come from the fact that guys who are in the league 4 years without improving, regardless of when they got to the league, very often don’t stick around to see a 5th season, so the “curve” stops.
Because this team needs to make changes and it’s unlikely that another team is going to give us anything of value for the overpaid broken toasters most mock trades seem to propose we use to acquire perennial all-stars. Randolph has real value as potential, value that other teams may pay for.
So we give away our value for another broken down toaster? that’s all we will get, AR has not played enough to make his value known…the big P word is not enough to get a true value back.
We have to give AR another year before we know what we have…he’s a big and they take more time to develop…Have you ever heard of a player by the name of Robert Parish? we traded him before we gave him enough time and look what happened…
This is crazy talk, it’s not time to get rid of your best pieces it’s time to build around them….I can see Curry and AR working very well together next year…and if we get DC we will be plenty strong in the middle…
He was the youngest player to even come into the NBA and he has not had enough time to develop, we don’t need another Joe Berry right now…we need a star and AR has the ability to be one alongside of Curry..
Have you ever heard of a player by the name of Robert Parish? we traded him before we gave him enough time and look what happened.
Yawn. The parallel of Parish to Randolph is poor, real, real, real poor. Parish had demonstrated that he was a very, very good player already. He wasn’t well liked in Oakland for a number of reasons, but if you actually look at what he did when he was here, it wasn’t that he didn’t produce as a Warrior. We traded him after we’d given him enough time. We traded hi after we should have known he was a good player.
The parallel of Parish to Randolph is poor, real, real, real poor.
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Not sure if you were you were around as a W’s fan back then but I was, he played real well against Kareem but had a hard time being consistent, his foot work was not very good and although he looked like a world of talent he couldn’t get to that next level, he was a tall thin player with a lot of athleticism like AR… so please give your ego a rest and keep your yawning for bed time;)
Sometimes it’s a very simple thing that unlocks a players potential, with Parish it was his shoes, he had huge feet and was cutting off his circulation, so they changed his shoes in Boston and the rest is history, one of the greatest front lines of all times…
AR has not even had the chance to blossom, he came into the league much young that Parish, he needs another full year to see who he is, as I recall you weren’t too high on Curry after summer league either were you? If given the chance here AR will prove you wrong..his has a huge upside..you don’t trade out a player like that until you know what you have, or what you don’t have
Live and learn Jae ;;))
But Randolph has done very good in aspects of the game David West will never do and that's
rebounds, blocks. Scoring will come I am totally sure because Randolph just needs to find his ways and moves he is comfortable with. He started to make midway jumpers regulary before injury and that’s a good sign of making progress.
I'm on the Randolph bandwagon
I think this young guy is going to turn into a great player – one who’s got a unique skill set for his size and is a very challenging guy to guard, especially in the open court. He clearly needs to work on a few pieces of his game, such as his jumpshot, his composure, blocking out and passing. BUT, he’s already a good rebounder, shot blocker, has good ball skills, and showed improvement on his jump shot from last year.
The biggest reason I love Randolph is his passion. Guys who are a little more reserved with their emotions are key b/c they’re steady. But a team has to have some fire as well. Randolph wears his heart on his sleeve and I think it fires up his teammates and the fans. I’m hoping we can develop him b/c even in a Warriors world where all we’re sold is hope and potential Randolph, in my mind, shines brightest.
I’m not sure Randolph’s emotions are his strength so far. He gets down to easily… but he’s young. I’m not terribly worried about that.
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Myth:
Some examples are Jermaine O’Neal (took him about 5 years to become good, and when he did, he was an all star),
Was Jermaine ever good?
Looking at his numbers throughout his career he was a good defensive player, while being a bad rebounding, low efficiency chucker.
He was never that great. This year has actually been a career year in terms of efficiency for him. Tim Grover has done wonders for his body, much like he has done for Wade, and Kobe.
Nellie needs to go! but while we suffer....John Wall or Evan Turner please!
I remember him being pretty dominant in the playoffs for Indiana for a couple years before he started having injury problems.
by freerandolph on Mar 19, 2010 5:35 PM PDT up reply actions
Define dominant. He took tons of shots, and played tons of minutes. The only reason he isn’t Al Jeff like is his ability to pass, and play good defense.
Nellie needs to go! but while we suffer....John Wall or Evan Turner please!
So basically
He was an all star who can hit a jumper, grab boards, block some shots, play defense, post moves, key part of a solid team, and was a good passer. Sounds a pretty dominant player and before his injuries just watching him was great with his athletic ability
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He missed a lot of shots.
His teams might have been better off is he hadn’t taken so many jumpers. His shooting percentage was never particularly impressive, nor his rebounding rate.
He shot a lot, so he scored a lot. His teams might have done better if he shot less.
Yeah, his career 515% TS. Thats very bad for a guy taking around 15 shots a game for your team.
He was a great defensive player, but a bad offensive player. He was an average player.
Nellie needs to go! but while we suffer....John Wall or Evan Turner please!
I don't know
if you’re a great defensive player, you have to be at least good. Having a very good defensive big is a great thing.
by Reverend_Randy on Mar 20, 2010 12:27 AM PDT up reply actions
What were his TS numbers during his prime years...
The career stat for him will obviously be dragged way down by his first bunch of years and his most recent, but I bet they were pretty good in his prime.
by freerandolph on Mar 20, 2010 10:24 PM PDT up reply actions
Definately agree
In addition to wanting to see Randolph get some extended run, I want to see him play WITH CURRY. Curry will make AR so much better, because he can get him the ball on the pick and roll, and he attracts 2+ defenders when he gets into the lane. Let’s see these guys together before we make any drastic moves. I think of all the guys that are injured right now, Randolph and Brandan Wright will benefit the most from Curry’s play. We forget that BW hasn’t even played with him yet, and that AR only got a few games, but that it was before Steph hit his stride.
+1 Curry and Randolph can create hawoc on pick and rool like Nash & Stoudamire
and on the three point line Morrow/Bell is waiting for an open shot. Add Turner/Azubuike and Biedrins(hopefully his old self) and we have a TEAM to respect.
Yeah
I still believe Anthony Randolph can be a top player in this league. His skill set as a PF is unlike many at 6’11, 7 foot. I think although i was kinda dissapointed in him this season, he still showed improvement in his free throws and jumpshot, while also showing he can pass. At 20 years old he still has alot of improvement, and I hope he can develop into that player in Golden State.
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Trade Randolph....
So he can dunk on the Warriors all day when he plays against us… Your right DuBallers, guy is only 20… Give him a year or so and all the naysayers will say how right they were for keeping him… bandwagons… Warriors were bad for 15 years now and finally when we get a group of young players everyone wants to trade them for old geezers or people who would rather play for the Nets… Name one all star or soon to be free agent that gave a hint that said that they want to play for the Warriors?
AR
Here is the problem with AR, he plays for the Warriors. If he played in Cleveland with Lebron, you would see him being a better player then JJ Hickson. Meaning, AR with a center like Biedrins is a waste of talent and time. AR with a guy like Shaq, Howard, Big Z, Nene and all big tall beefy centers would help him offensively and defensively. He is too skinny to play PF and definitely needs to add substantial weight. Now, I like AR, I think he will become a good contributor but I see him as Tyrus Thomas kind of player not a Kevin Garnett. I am with Jae, if we ever gonna get rid of Maggette and Beidrins contracts, we need to package it with AR.
I hope next year we can package a trade involving Ellis, Biedrins, Maggette and AR to Minnesota for Al Jefferson, Ryan Gomes and their first or second round pick. They would still have cap space and it would also free us some cap space. I don’t mind also them keeping their first round pick or second to make this trade happen. Jefferson would be the big body we need to fight against Gasol, Nene, Amare, Oden, Boozer, Scola, Duncan and list goes on.
Our front court needs help and we need size in the middle. I am tired of us being out rebounded and zero productivity from the low post.
Waaaarriors
Al Jefferson
Again, you seem to have missed the memos detailing how Jefferson is bad on offense, bad on defense, and very good at making every team he’s ever played for suck.
I am tired of us being out rebounded
Trading our two best rebounders (indeed, two of the league’s best rebounders) is probably not the best way to remedy this.
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on Mar 19, 2010 6:58 PM PDT up reply actions
I would consider moving AR for Kevin Love, though.
but I love Kevin Love.
by Reverend_Randy on Mar 20, 2010 12:29 AM PDT up reply actions
I refuse to trade AR unless a got a big time star
Not Amare, not Al, but someone like Bosh + a long term deal. Look at J smoove, it took him a while to get where he is but Atlanta recognized his talent , developed, showed patience and are getting the benefits and now have a all star caliber player on there hands and AR’s ceiling is even higher than his. No way I trade him
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AR is barely 210
In the offseason he put on around 10 lbs and this year was probably around 220. Also I wasn’t comparing the 2 as similar players as much as a similar situation. High potential, raw, trade block possibilities, patience is needed. Also I’d bet AR is around 225-230 currently and you don’t need to be the huge buff guy to be a good big. Look at KG, younger Odom etc
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. Also I’d bet AR is around 225-230 currently and you don’t need to be the huge buff guy to be a good big. Look at KG, younger Odom etc
I agree that you can be a good player without weighing much. However, if you can get a guy who is stronger, and better its a no brainer.
AR’s ceiling is probably around J-Smooth, which is a great thing. I think we would all be enthused if he became that type of player.
Nellie needs to go! but while we suffer....John Wall or Evan Turner please!
He’s a pretty different player. Smith is a versatile 3-4 who can handle the ball, score and create (as well as defend like a madman, both at the the rim and on the perimeter), where Randolph’s strengths are pretty clearly on the interior, as an offensive and defensive rebounder and rim defender. Given the Warriors’ plethora of talented perimeter players, I for one wouldn’t be that enthused to see Randolph’s rebounding rate plummet in favor of increased “versatility.”
The main grounds for comparison seems to be that like Randolph now, Smith was always considered a physical freak who might never be mature or disciplined enough mentally to make good on his potential. Lo and behold, at age 25, Smith is finally beginning to “get it.” Given the dearth of good young big men in the league, I’m happy to give Randolph another year or three to do the same.
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on Mar 19, 2010 9:00 PM PDT up reply actions
So you wouldn’t trade Randolph for Josh Smith?
Nellie needs to go! but while we suffer....John Wall or Evan Turner please!
So you wouldn’t trade Randolph for Josh Smith?
Sold
Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Mar 19, 2010 11:06 PM PDT up reply actions
Josh Smith is as physical player as it gets, AR can't even post up any legit big man in this league
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Randolph’s a much better rebounder than Smith, despite Smith’s “physicality.” And as others have pointed out, he’s 20. He’ll fill out naturally. You don’t get points in the NBA for bulk. If anything, JSmooth, great as he’s playing right now, is the one who needs to worry about chunking up too much as he ages.
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on Mar 19, 2010 7:04 PM PDT up reply actions
I think trading AR for Smith would be a very good deal for us. I don’t see why that would be bad to do.
Nellie needs to go! but while we suffer....John Wall or Evan Turner please!
I’m pretty sure that’s not what was being discussed.
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on Mar 19, 2010 8:33 PM PDT up reply actions
AR
you guys keep mentioning that he is only 20, true that. However, he needs to bulk up thats a must. And he also needs to play along a stronger, taller and post up center for him to become more effective. Having Biedrins and AR starting in 5-4 positions would only make us weaker against other Western conference teams. If we having a weak perimeter defenders, then we need bulk in the middle.
Btw, I don’t see AR being similar like J Smith, Anthony Randolph at best is a lamar Odom and at worst Tyrus Thomas.
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That sounds about right. Absolute best case, I still think KG, but Odom’s probably a more realistic ceiling. Even if it’s a 5% shot a KG-level, 45% shot at Odom-level, and 50% shot at Ty Thomas-level, I still want to roll the dice.
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on Mar 19, 2010 9:26 PM PDT up reply actions
No matter what, Randolph is going to be a better rebounder than Josh Smith
He averages 8.7 rpg in 35 mpg, while Randolph averages 6.5rpg in 22.7 mpg. I’ll take Randolph’s ceiling over Smith’s ceiling anyday, because Randolph is more of a pure 4, while Smith is mor of a hybrid forward.
However, he needs to bulk up thats a must.
Please name a player who had problems being effective who became significantly more effective through bulking up. One example of this working would be nice. It must be easy to find the examples. I hear people saying that many players need to ‘bulk up’. It must be a great strategy that often leads to success!
Cool
From my top of my head, Laker center Baynum, Bosh, Wade, Oden (even though he is injured, Rashard Lewis when he got drafted compared to his second year.
Matter fact, Dwayne Wade came into the league weighting 175, now he is 205. Bulking up is part of off season workout in any contact sport, for basketball players its essential. If i am not mistaken, Brandon Wright also bulked up along with Azbuike and Maggette who came in this year stronger. Its really not about your weight but more about your lean body mass. Meaning, you could be 200 lbs but 15 % bodyfat, but if you remain 200 lbs and drop down your bodyfat to 10%, you added more muscles, which makes a player stronger. Are you suggesting bulking up doesn’t help a player especially a big man?
Waaaarriors
Are you suggesting bulking up doesn’t help a player especially a big man?
I think it depends on their game? Is is post up and power or spread the floor and speed? Weight is handy on a steam roller but not on a sports car.
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by Skeptic con Urquell on Mar 19, 2010 11:10 PM PDT up reply actions
Greg Oden was already pretty big when he was drafted.
I think the legitimate best example on that list is Bosh, but his increased production this season could be because of his contract.
Andrew Bynum was like 17 when he came into the league. It wasn’t his increased bulk so much that made him effective, it was his increased skill and ability to play.
Shard’s game is perimeter oriented. He could probably weigh 30 lbs less and still be effective.
by Reverend_Randy on Mar 20, 2010 12:33 AM PDT up reply actions
Bosh was effective before. Please read what I wrote. A response to what I wrote is more useful than responses to what you think I wrote or would prefer that I wrote. Listing players who were effective prior to “bulking up” isn’t what I was asking for, but it seems to be what people are providing.
I was responding to puffy love
but yes, that is a good point about Bosh. He is more effective this year, but he didn’t go from bad to good, he just went from great to greater.
by Reverend_Randy on Mar 20, 2010 2:06 AM PDT up reply actions
Are you suggesting bulking up doesn’t help a player especially a big man?
I am suggesting you didn’t read what I wrote.
Andray Blatche
He went from weighting 248 lbs to now being 260 lbs, does he fit the kind of player who had problems being effective and became more effective through bulking up?
Waaaarriors
If you consider adding twelve pounds between your late teens and mid 20s “bulking up”, then I guess almost every player “bulks up”. Was Blatche pushed around before? Did he start doing the pushing afterwards? Is he really effective? His rebounding hasn’t improved since his second year in the league (in fact it’s regressed some, though it may be that he looked better than he was by sample size). His scoring efficiency is mildly up to being substandard, where previously it was really horrid. Still, that’s something that seems to happen for a bunch of players, a bit of improvement over their first few years in the league. If 12 pounds of “bulk” allowed him to see no improvement in his rebounding and perhaps a decline accompanied by the sort of improvement on offense almost all players experience, I’m having a hard time seeing this as an example of going from ineffective to effective via “bulking up”.
Jae
I think the problem here is that you don’t understand how substantial addition is 12 lbs. Again, 12 lbs of lean body mass is huge and cannot easily be obtained by your average Joe. You could probably add 12 lbs in weight from eating big mac everyday but thats not considered bulking up. To decrease your body fat and increase your lean body mass is only done through dedication to the weight room. Andrew Baynum weighted 270 lbs when he entered the draft, his current weight is 286 lbs. Do you think he would be considered a force if he remained 270 lbs? I say no, lean body mass is strength that can help big man to post up weaker PF/C like Beans and AR. Period.
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Puffy, out of curiosity, how old are you?
Your body thickens as you age, whether or not you gain fat. Your hips get wider, your shoulders flatten and thicken.
It happens to everyone.
I’ve got friends who fit everywhere on the athletic spectrum, from computer programers who sit at a computer all day, to fitness trainers and Navy Seals – and it happens to everyone.
Puffy, out of curiosity, how old are you?
apparently old enough to have gotten puffy ?
I haven’t changed too much over the years, I was 6’ , 165 lbs in high school and 6’ 0.5" 175 today, still have a 6’ 6" wingspan so I don’t think I’ve shrunk :>)
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by Skeptic con Urquell on Mar 21, 2010 7:50 PM PDT up reply actions
How many NBA games did Stanley Roberts play prior to becoming morbidly obese? Nuff said.
I give pressure the reach-around.
by bloodsweatndonuts on Mar 19, 2010 11:50 PM PDT up reply actions
I like Randolph a lot and I think we should give him more time to develop. He’s one of the few bright spots on our team (when healthy). However, if a trade proposal came up and was offered a good player, then the Warriors should take it in high consideration. Let’s face it, we’re not a good team. We’re either injured, or from the D-League. Randolph has much potential, which is why he’s one of the guys that other teams might actually want. Only if the price is right, of course.
if a trade proposal came up and was offered a good player
The problem is that the warriors would, likely, only be offered a “good player.” It would be great to have another guy like Corey Maggette, hopefully without the passing-the-rock woes or similar deficiency, that fills some positional need, but do you really want to lose Anthony Randolph’s potential for… well… Corey Maggette?
Doesn’t make too much sense in this team’s current state.
Did Morrow get ejected???
Next year a ton of teams will have cap space to sign max players but we know that
a couple of this teams will have to pay money to second/third tier players since they will fail in Bosh, Lebron, Wade hunt. So maybe we should try to ship Monta+ Wright(or someone else except Curry, Randolph) for a draft pick in 8-14 range and veteran bench player(who plays solid D). Lower our payroll + add some talent(like Patterson). Then when february trade deadline comes we can trade Maggette for expirings. Hopefully Ellison buys the team and brings new management with new coach. let’s face it West is just incredible stacked with good teams and our current team(healthy team not D-league all stars) is just not good enough to make the playoffs so we have to try find the talent trough draft imo because it will be tough to sign very good player in free agency.
The problem of course is that the free agent derby doesn’t start until after the draft. Teams will still be breathing paint fumes with expectations of being able to land a big, big name in free agency. I don’t see a pick-for-Ellis trade being likely accordingly.
Yeah too bad my mistake
But still some GM-s might realize they are not really in the hunt for “big” names and that Ellis + some other young talent might be better then overpaying later. Don’t know at least Riley should try that.
I don’t think AR makes it past the 4th year option on his contract unless he produces in the next two seasons. That’s the limit of patience.
What do you mean by “produce”? This season, despite being 20, still learning how to play the game, and getting unpredictably and inconsistently yanked by his coach, Randolph produced these numbers per 36 minutes:
18.5 pts (.521 TS%)
10.3 reb
2.0 ast
2.5 blk
1.3 stl
2.4 tov
4.4 pf
Given more regular PT, and 1-2 years to mature physically and emotionally, there’s no reason to think he can’t maintain or (more likely) improve on these numbers. I still feel that he’s a bit of an outlier from the standard NBA rules of player projection, given his extreme youth when he came into the league, and off-the-charts physical gifts. The potential for a qualitative leap, to borderline-All-Star, is still there, imo. But the great thing is, even if he never makes any kind of “leap,” he’s still likely a top 10-15 NBA power forward.
In two years, we can look at his production relative to what kind of extension he’s demanding, and what our roster looks like, and see whether he’s worth it. Till then, why not stop worrying, and testing the limits of our patience, and enjoy what we have: the most exciting and explosive young power forward this franchise has had since Webber.
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on Mar 20, 2010 9:39 AM PDT up reply actions
+1
I still feel that he’s a bit of an outlier from the standard NBA rules of player projection, given his extreme youth when he came into the league, and off-the-charts physical gifts. The potential for a qualitative leap, to borderline-All-Star, is still there, imo. But the great thing is, even if he never makes any kind of "leap," he’s still likely a top 10-15 NBA power forward.
I give pressure the reach-around.
by bloodsweatndonuts on Mar 20, 2010 12:07 PM PDT up reply actions
What do you mean by "produce"? This season, despite being 20, still learning how to play the game, and getting unpredictably and inconsistently yanked by his coach, Randolph produced these numbers per 36 minutes:
Astute observation indeed !! I think jae is wanting to pull the trigger to fast here, I am concerned however that his erratic play could be a problem down the road…but that all could be written off to bad coaching..and it could be corrected,,,,…All of the analysis so far hasn’t taken into consideration how much he may be stumped by Nellie….
A new coach could do wonders for AR…In Nelsons system you either make it or break it without much patience…one the fears now is nelson sticks around and dumps AR by next year…he has no time to wait for him now to develop, he would rather play the D-league guy that’s been around the block a few years rather than wait for AR to come around….his time is up… he needs to go…
I think jae is wanting to pull the trigger to [sic] fast here,
I think you’re reading something that I never, ever, ever wrote. I think you’re pretending I said something I didn’t and haven’t been reading particularly carefully.
Well...
Here’s the thing. Because you don’t want to unequivocally smack down any and all trade suggestions that begin with “Anthony Randolph” and don’t end with “LeBron James,” you “want to pull the trigger.” Bottom line, you’re a hater. Now, stop hating, and start chanting “Anthony Randolph for league MVP!!!!” and everything will be just ducky.
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by Dubs fan in Boston on Mar 22, 2010 10:30 AM PDT up reply actions
I think jae is wanting to pull the trigger to fast here
Yeah, ole cap’n hook
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by Skeptic con Urquell on Mar 20, 2010 8:35 PM PDT up reply actions
you read a whole lot of negativity into my comment, which wasn’t actually there. I mostly agree with you, except I want to see him play more minutes. One thing that will keep his minutes down is foul trouble (4.4/36), especially if he has to guard bigger guys, which I hope is not the case.
Well
he was responding to the “accusation” that Randolph didn’t produce. He kinda did, he just had limited minutes.
by Reverend_Randy on Mar 20, 2010 3:39 PM PDT up reply actions
Where did I say he “didn’t produce”? I said he needs to produce going forward. Only if you disagree with that statement, should you be arguing with my statement.
I don’t think AR makes it past the 4th year option on his contract unless he produces in the next two seasons. That’s the limit of patience.
Yeah … there’s a pretty strong implication here that he hasn’t been producing thus far. You don’t really have to “read in” the negativity. Would you say the same sentence about, for example, Tyreke Evans or Stephen Curry?
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on Mar 21, 2010 10:45 AM PDT up reply actions
No, but I wouldn’t fret about it nearly to the degree you appear to be fretting about Randolph. “I’ve had it, dammit!!! if Curry doesn’t produce these next three seasons, he’s out on his ass!!!…”
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on Mar 21, 2010 11:51 AM PDT up reply actions
again
You’re just reading too much into the statement. I didn’t say anything other than what we both know is true. Players have to produce to make money. True for Randolph or anyone else. No rant needed.
OK, dude.
If you don’t produce some substantive posts within two months, I don’t think you’ll last long on this site. That’s the limit of patience.
No negativity intended, obviously. ;-)
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by Sleepy Freud on Mar 21, 2010 2:31 PM PDT up reply actions
Haha. You’re reading way too much into my statement.
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on Mar 21, 2010 9:53 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Evanz
It really sounds like you were implying that Randolph hasn’t produced. If thats not what you meant, its really not anyone else’s fault.
by freerandolph on Mar 21, 2010 8:04 PM PDT up reply actions
Then why do you get defensive when people address your point that “Randolph hasn’t produced” directly with evidence? Why don’t you refute their points and evidence instead of try to dance around the topic and distract them with comments like:
you read a whole lot of negativity into my comment, which wasn’t actually there.
If you’re suggesting that Randolph isn’t producing, and Sleepy believes that Randolph is indeed producing, then you’re being negative and he’s being positive.
Where did I say he "didn’t produce"?
Ummm… you did. Right here:
I don’t think AR makes it past the 4th year option on his contract unless he produces in the next two seasons. That’s the limit of patience.
and here:
Players have to produce to make money. True for Randolph or anyone else.
I don’t know how well you understand language and communication, but when you make comments like that, you are insinuating that the subject (Randolph) is not currently doing something (producing) and that if they don’t start doing that thing, there will be repercussions. It’s really that simple.
If people disagree with you, either hold your ground on the topic or concede it. Your response of “I didn’t say that” is excessively inane in the context of a blog where all comments are documented and threaded for easy reference. Especially when you’re simultaneously telling other people “I did say that, and that’s what I meant.”
Now, please discuss the Warriors in a sensible manner or you will be ignored. You don’t have to agree with everybody, but you do have to have an opinion in order to not be viewed as a troll.
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by Dubs fan in Boston on Mar 22, 2010 10:42 AM PDT up reply actions
I entirely agree
we need to keep randolph to help us down low, he’ll put on the weight (already been doing that) and become a rebounding and scoring force
y would u wanted Randolph to stay longer in college??
If he did stay, he probably would of been drafted on another team!! I also agree with everybody that we should be patient with him
Fear is the Mind Killer
Like what MDB said
I meant for Randolph personally that it would have been good for his development to stay in college, but I’m glad that he ended up on the Warriors.
He's young and needs to be coached, and apparently isn't getting it from nellie.
So is there any way we could make a phone call to, i dunno say… hakeem olajuwon, and see if he might be interested in polishing a young talented kid who seems pretty eager to learn for the right price? i mean we are getting a new owner right?
Cut.
by Butterknuckles on Mar 22, 2010 10:55 PM PDT reply actions
His bad attitude is apparent to me...
Why is he never on the bench with the other injured Warriors?!
by andrisBthousand on Mar 23, 2010 10:00 AM PDT reply actions
He sits on the second row.
I see him every game.
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by Doctor Kajita on Mar 23, 2010 9:40 PM PDT up reply actions
Oh no
He doesn’t want to sit on the same row as everyone, VOID /sarcasm
So let me get this straight... Maggette is the healthy guy.
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by Badly Browned on Mar 23, 2010 11:05 PM PDT up reply actions
AR at Center in Nellie's system
Nellie played AR at center this year and that is when he actually started to play really well. Even though Randolph might get beat up a bit in the post on D, he can beat most centers off the dribble in a half court and will consistently beat his man down the court and we all know how the Warrior’s love to run. I wanna see Randolph start at center with Biedrins backing him up and Wright as our starting PF with Turiaf backing him up and just run!
Curry-(Wall or Turner)-Azubuike-Wright-Randolph is kind of an intriguing future starting 5.
Backup 5: CJ-Morrow-Williams-Turiaf-Biedrins.
Whither Monta and Maggs? I’m not sure…
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by Sleepy Freud on Mar 24, 2010 3:38 PM PDT up reply actions
Biedrins is not a backup with his contract
He either starts or is traded. Same with Maggette and Ellis. Maybe they all will be. I don’t think so, though. My lineup next year would look different:
Curry (Watson)
Ellis (Williams, Morrow)
Biedrins (Hunter)
Maggette (Azabuike)
Randolph (Wright/Favors)
If Randolph and Wright truly develop, they could play on the floor at the same time. Then Biedrins might be trade bait, but neither of those guys is a true center. If we have a chance to draft Turner, we should go for it. I’d put him in Maggette’s spot.
If we don’t want Biedrins’ contract, we can trade him. We can play him as a backup until then, assuming Randolph can earn the starting spot. I don’t think he’s ready to do that and may never be. I still would like to see Randolph play SF more than I would like him at C, in the long run at least.
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Hey
we’re in total agreement! I also would like to play Randolph at SF, with Curry, Ellis, Biedrins, and either Wright (if he bulks up) or a draft pick (e.g. Favors) at PF.
Randolph has shown zero success with those tasks that make for a good SF. He doesn’t show accuracy shooting from outside (no matter how pretty the jumper looks prior to the miss), he turns the ball over too often when he puts it on the floor (no matter how pretty his “handles” look leading up to the turnover) and he shows little court awareness to get the ball to an open shooter (no matter how pretty the rare assists look). In contrast, he shows considerable ability grabbing rebounds and blocking shots and has been at least adequate in terms of FG% when he plays inside. Given what he’s been good at and what he’s been terrible at, it’s perplexing why people still seem to want to force him into a SF role.
Given what he’s been good at and what he’s been terrible at, it’s perplexing why people still seem to want to force him into a SF role.
it’s because of his freakish combination of size and possible skills, if he ever mastered the SF position he’d be more valuable because that would open up the 4 and 5 spots for other bigs, we could then play a 3 bigs alignment with our two itty bitty guards.
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by Skeptic con Urquell on Mar 25, 2010 12:46 PM PDT up reply actions
And if he could develop "distributor" skills along with some Morrow-like 3 point shooting, he'd be an unstoppable PG
These things don’t just happen. He’s athletic, sure, but he hasn’t shown a propensity to defend any SFs, he can’t shoot, he can’t do anything that a SF needs to be able to do to succeed. He’s really athletic for a big man, but that’s it. He can use his athleticism as a strength and an advantage as a big, but once you start putting him at SF, that advantage goes out the window and the rest of his perimeter flaws dominate.
If you put Randolph at SF, the only mismatch he’d be able to use is posting him up offensively. Leave him where he is until he shows he’s capable of doing something else.
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by Dubs fan in Boston on Mar 26, 2010 8:32 AM PDT up reply actions
Actually, he can do some of the things a SF can do. I’ve seen him take the ball up the floor. I’ve seen him make nice interior passes. I’ve seen him hit midrange jumpers. He just needs to keep working on those skills.
The plural of anecdote is not fact. Seeing someone do something on reasonably rare occasions is not a good recommendation that they be placed in a situation where regular success at the same task is a necessity.
Seeing someone do something on reasonably rare occasions is not a good recommendation that they be placed in a situation where regular success at the same task is a necessity.
Rudolf is more likely to develop SF skills than a shorter SF is likely to grow to Rudolf’s size and develop his rebounding skills.
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by Skeptic con Urquell on Mar 28, 2010 1:10 PM PDT up reply actions
Actually, he can do some of the things a SF can do. I’ve seen him take the ball up the floor. I’ve seen him make nice interior passes. I’ve seen him hit midrange jumpers. He just needs to keep working on those skills.
Dude, sounds like a PG to me. All he needs to do is start hitting 3s, and young cats tend to improve on their shooting range as they get more used to the league. Here’s my ideal starting line up:
Randolph
Curry
Morrow
Buike
Biedrins
Randolph defends the 4, but constantly runs the P&R on offense with Biedrins. Since Randolph is going to be the sickest PG evar, it’ll be unstoppable. Plus, you’ve got the 3 best 3 point shooters in the league on the wings ready for the kick out.
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by Dubs fan in Boston on Mar 26, 2010 3:49 PM PDT up reply actions
he needs to get in the gym and work on his jumper
he’s never going to be Carlos Boozer, but he can work hard to improve his jumper
I personally don’t expect him to be able to do it, although I am clinging to a bit of hope. I would still rather see that than him playing center. I am kind of expecting him to play PF mostly, personally. I don’t think he’s big enough to play center and think that would relegate him to mediocrity if he were stuck at that position.
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Randolph can dribble past most centers at the top of the key. Ok. But why the hell would Dwight Howard come out that far to guard Randolph, if he can’t knock down that shot? I’d let him play out there all day.
re: But why the hell would Dwight Howard come out that far
Defensive 3 second rule. If he’s at the top of the key, he has to come out top or go to the side of the key. Either way that opens up the drive. Plus, they only play D Howard twice a year.
I give pressure the reach-around.
by bloodsweatndonuts on Mar 25, 2010 12:29 PM PDT up reply actions
Randolph getting injured was devastating because the team sorely needs a big man presence. They needed him to develop and not miss any games. It’s made everyone panic and forget how important Randolph was to the future.
As the season’s end draws near and draft talks become more abundant, Randolph seemingly becomes more and more irrelevant due to the fact that he needed this season to show us he’s worth waiting for.
Very unfortunate. I hope he does become our future PF for his sake.
Confident Marco Belinelli supporter
It’s made everyone panic and forget how important Randolph was to the future.
All the losses should make everyone more aware of the importance of Rudolf and seeing Hunter win us a game with inside play should make it even more clear?
Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Mar 25, 2010 12:27 PM PDT reply actions
So you’re basing Randolph’s value on one win vs. Memphis?
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by Doctor Kajita on Mar 25, 2010 4:15 PM PDT up reply actions
Randolph is not a SF
Play him at the 5 and exploit the mismatch with his quickness. His length can make up for his lean frame for now and if he develops any type of post up game and keeps adding range to his mid range jumper he will be an All-Star center. He is a legit 7 footer with a 7’3" wingspan and when he adds a few lbs he will be a force in the middle. Nellie can experiment with him as a Point Center at times, which will open lanes and bring shot blockers away from the basket. He can develop into a hybrid of Marcus Camby and Lamar Odom. Plus he HITS FREE THROWS! Does anyone remember in the summer league when he got to the line 21 times in a single game? I see him as the perfect center in Nellie’s system, he can rebound, block shots, run the floor and brings energy and passion to the floor. As for Dwight Howard, that is why we have Turiaf!
Ellis is quick. Let’s start him at center. Right?
The fact is that a center, by definition, is the biggest guy on the team. If Randolph is the biggest guy on the team, that’s a huge problem.
Exactly my issue. I don’t want to see Randolph as a center. If he puts on weight, that will change his game completely, too. The guy’s game, as it stands, is being a freakishly tall guy who looks like a SF at times. The fact that he has that level of athleticism and can do those things even on occasion makes one wonder if he could be a superstar at the SF position, if he could just do those things often. I’m not holding my breathe. But still.
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As for Dwight Howard, that is why we have Turiaf!
No one has been able to stop Dwight Howard in his prime besides Pau Gasol. We don’t need someone to stop Howard (the best big in the league) if we only play him twice a year. What we need is a legitimate low post defender, who can stop the other teams bigs from getting offensive boards, and can stop penetration once they start to back down.
Turiaf may have some nice blocks, but rarely is he shutting down his man individually. He also gives up way too many boards to his man as well. We all like Ronny, but he’s nothing more than a 15-20 minute per night player.
Nellie needs to go! but while we suffer....John Wall or Evan Turner please!
I see him as the perfect center in Nellie’s system
But nellie is not long for this world, he’ll be back in maui soon. Then we’ll be stuck with a beanpole center when we could have both a very tall athletic SF and a big bruiser center.
Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Mar 25, 2010 3:05 PM PDT reply actions
Another lineup option.
Curry/Watson
Ellis/Williams/Morrow
Biedrins/Cousins/Big T/Hunter?
Azabuike/Maggette/Toliver
Wright/Randolf/2nd round
How can we dump Radman ?
by Only In Fairfax on Mar 25, 2010 6:40 PM PDT reply actions
We can use Radman as an expiring with Azubuike for a big time player possibly.
I don’t see Morrow sticking around next year with Reggie emerging as a good player.
We are going to need rid ourselves of needless pieces and turn more of our quantity to quality.
A big trade with Ellis, Biedrins, and possibly Buike/Morrow could do just that.
Nellie needs to go! but while we suffer....John Wall or Evan Turner please!
yes
that’s what I’ve been saying, and it’s essentially the lineup we would’ve had this year were it not for the injuries. Conceivably, we could go really big:
Curry
Ellis
Biedrins
Cousins
Randolph
or small:
Curry
Ellis
Williams
Maggette
Randolph
I’ve very hopeful for the future.
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