Official Warriors Top 3 Pick in the Draft Countdown Thread
by JimBarnett2KevinGarnett on Mar 21, 2010 5:09 PM PDT
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With the Pacers upsetting the Thunder and the Tyreke Evansless Kings beating the Clippers today, I am inspired to start the official Golden State Warriors 2010 Top 3 Lotto Pick watch thread. There are only 13 games to go and with these two great wins by the Pacers and Kings it is looking more likely by the day that the Warriors are going to finish with a shot at a top 3 pick. In my opinion the team that the Warriors are most likely to surpass over the final stretch is the Washington Wizards. They are playing absolutely terrible basketball and will definitely take a loss tonight against the Lakers on the road (wouldn't matter if there were at home either). I have listed the current standings below in position of nba draft lottery slot rank from 1-9 because they are the only teams in reach of the Warriors.
1. NJ Nets : 7-62 Final Stretch Outlook: The Nets are guaranteed to finish with the best chance at John Wall. The only question is whether or not they will make NBA history for all time worst win/loss record in a season.
2. Minn: 14-56 Final Stretch Outlook: It was only a few weeks ago that it looked as if the Warriors could have possibly out tanked the TWolves and moved up to the 2nd slot for the NBA draft lottery. Unfortunately, the Twolves are currently losers of 12 straight and counting and look to have a stranglehold on the Evan Turner slot as they are 5.5 games worst than the Warriors. This lead is too much to overcome with only 13 games remaining in the season.
3. Dubs: 19-50 Final Stretch Outlook: Our Love em and hate em dubs are sitting in the 3rd slot holding a three game lead over the woeful Warriors East for the third pick in the draft. The dubs, however, are 4 games worst than the Wiz in the loss column. Looking at the final 13 games on the schedule, I see only three games that are arguably games that the Warriors should and will win: Home vs the Knicks on April 2nd, away vs the Wiz on April 6, and away vs the Twolves on April 7. The Twolves game may not be a gimme, however, because it is the second game of a back to back roadie. There are three other winnable games: 2 away against the Clippers and 1 away against Toronto but the dubs have to be considered underdogs in those games. Other opponants in the final 13 game stretch include: Phoenix, Dallas, Utah, @Utah, OKC, @ Portland. I'm predicting that the Dubs win two of three against the bottom feeders mentioned earlier and somehow find a way to win one or two games to finish 4-9 or 3-10 to end the season. That leaves the final record at 22-60/23-59. The Warriors always find a way though to beat better teams when they aren't supposed to. It isn't too far off to think they will win 2 or 3 against the bottom feeders, 2 of 3 out of the two Clips Games/Toronto game, and 1 or 2 from the Pheonix/Dallas/Utah/Portland/OKC conglomerate. This is potentially 6-7 wins in a best case (worst case in the lottery sense) scenario, leaving the dubs at 25-26 wins. I predict, however, that Nellie falls short, the Warriors go 4-9 to end 23-59, and the Dubs get out tanked by the Wizards (who go 1-14 to end the season) and drop to the 4th spot in the lottery ball standings
4. Wiz: 21-46 Final Stretch Outlook: As noted earlier, the Wiz are the most likely team that could potentially surpass the Dubs to end the season. They have an auto loss tonight against the Lakers that will run their losing streak to a Minnesota Timberwolves like 11 straight. Looking at their schedule to close the season, I see the Wiz favorites to win one game, April 4 vs NJ. The April 6 game will have huge lottery implications because the Wiz will face off against the Dubs at home. I really hope the Warriors find a way to lose this game because the Wiz could potentially finish their final 15 games of the season at 1-14. The most likely wins that the Wiz could possibly steal are against Indiana as they play the Pacers twice in their final 15 and New York. Other opponants the Wiz will face include the Bobcats (twice), Orlando, Boston, Atlanta, Houston, New Orleans, Utah, Chicago, and tonight against the Lakers. The Wiz could very well end the season 0-15 or 1-14. I believe the Wiz will have to go at least 3-12 over the final 15 if the Warriors have any hope of staying at the third slot. The problem is, I don't see 3 wins anywhere on the Wiz' schedule. This is very alarming and quite possibly means that the inevitable passing of the Wizards is about to happen.
5. Detroit: 23-46 Final Stretch Outlook: Currently, the Dubs are 4 games worst than the Pistons and look to be firmly in control of not being out tanked. Looking at the Pistons schedule, I see 4 very winnable games for Detroit to close out the season: Tomorrow when they host indiana, 3/26 @ New Jersey, 4/6 @ Philly, and their last game of the season @ Minnesota. I envision that the Warriors will end the season somewhere between 22-25 wins. This means that the Pistons only need 2-3 wins over their final 13 for the Dubs to remain worst than them. Splitting 2 of 4 against the latter competition will do the trick. I believe Detroit will find at least one win against the other opponants remaining on their schedule: Chicago, Toronto, Miami (twice), Atlanta, Charlotte, Phoenix. Stealing a game vs Chitown, Toronto, Charlotte, or Miami is very possible so I do not predict Detroit surpassing us.
6/7/8. Sacramento, Indiana, Philadelphia: 24-46 Final Stretch Outlook: After today's wins by Sac and Indi there is a 3 way tie at the 6-8 spot. Those wins were huge today as it came against teams that I had marked as likeley losses (Indi vs OKC and Sac without Evans @ LAC). My 22-25 win Dubs prediction leaves these three teams needing 1-2 wins in order for the Warriors to remain safe. I will discuss Sac's outlook first.
Sacramento - Analyzing their season ending schedule, I see three very winnable games for Sac and then a murder's row of opponents to finish out the season where a win will be hard to come by (unless teams shut it down for the playoffs). Sac should be able to find a win or two on their upcoming road trip against New Jersey, Indiana, and Minnesota. They also have a good chance of stealing another win from the Clips at home in April. Other than those 4 games, Sac looks destined to end the season with a variety of losses. They play Boston, Cleveland, Portland, Lakers, San Antonio, Dallas, Houston and Memphis. I will only be worried if the Warriors start to win some games against teams they shouldn't and reel off an above .500 record to end the season. If the Dubs finish 7-6 instead of my projected 3-10 or 4-9, Sac would have to win 2 of 3 games against Ind/min/nj on their road trip and either beat the clips at home or steal a game from the murder's row in order for the Warriors to stay worst than the Kings. Not likely, but anything is possible.
Indiana - Today's win against OKC was enormous for our lottery hopes. For awhile, it looked as if Indiana was a team that would tank further than the Dubs. Luckily for us, Indi has a very soft schedule to end the season and 2+ wins is very likeley. They play Sac, Detroit, Washington (twice), Knicks, and New Jersey. There will be the auto losses of Cleveland, Atlanta, Orlando, Houston, Miami and Utah mixed in. Again, we most likeley need 1-2 wins from Indiana and I feel like Indiana will definitely finish at the minimum 3-9 to finish the season.
Philly - We need 1-2 wins from Philly to end the season. Their record is not quite as easy as Indi and I worry about the sixers more than the Pacers. Other than Detroit, every remaining opponant of the Sixers has a winning record or is playoff bound. Their final stretch includes Orlando twice, Milwuakee twice, Miami twice, Atlanta, OKC, Memphis, Charlotte, Toronto, and Detroit. Do we have 1-2 wins here? The sixers are reeling at 2-8 in their last 10. They should be underdogs every game they play from here on out except at home against Detroit. I feel like the best chance for the Sixers to pick up their 2 wins are against Detroit and Toronto at home. Charlotte, Miami, and OKC are in dog fights and every game counts. Memphis looks to be on the outside looking in so a win against them may be plausible if they drop further away from the 8 spot. In the end, I feel like Philly finds a way to finish at least 2-10 to end the season but I wouldn't be shocked to see them with only 25 wins to end the year.
9. Clippers: 26-44 Final stretch outlook: This will be the last team I will be including for the draft lottery watch. The Clippers most likley have more wins right now than the Warriors will have to end the year. I included them only in the unlikeley event the Warriors end the season 7-6 or better because the Clippers have a very tough final stretch and may finish with only 1 or a couple more wins. They get the Dubs twice, Sac, and the Knicks. They should find at least one win here and that will most likeley be way more than enough to keep the Clips away. Their other opponants to end the season are Dallas, Houston, Milwuakee, Denver, Dallas, Lakers, Portland, Houston, and Toronto. I see 3-5 more wins for the Clips to end the season putting them well ahead of the Warriors.
Final Thoughts: I will try to update this as the season winds to a close. I hope you can rec this up to the top so we can have some commentary as the season winds down. As you can see, the Warriors are not going to catch the Wolves but are threatened to be out tanked by a few other teams. I think it is clear that the Wizards are threats to catch us and we need to be rooting hard for Wizard victories. The Warriors @ Wizards game coming up can have huge implications. A warriors win would bring the Wizards within two games! It is very very easy to envision the Wiz finishing 2 games or more worst than us over their final 15 games and our 13 games. If the Warriors finish 5-8, there is no way they hold onto the 3 seed. It is extremely hard to find one win let alone three wins remaining on the Wiz's schedule. We got to pray for a 3-10 finish and a couple wizard upsets in order to keep our lottery balls.
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What do you all think of the kid from Lithuania?
I think if we don’t make big moves and keep the guys we have for the most part, and don’t get a top 2 pick, we should consider the potential of Motiejunas. Could be the real deal down the road.
by wileyschmitt on Mar 25, 2010 10:38 AM PDT up reply actions
I see us winning alot before the season ends and it will kill our lottery odds, we’ve always sucked, but never sucked enough to have a good shot at winning the lotto.
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The no man's land
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by golden_solitude on Mar 21, 2010 5:51 PM PDT up reply actions
The Warriors will go on a 12 game winning streak.
by Cpt. Jack in the Box on Mar 21, 2010 5:18 PM PDT reply actions
If we get the 3rd pick..
What would you guys like to do with it? Draft Johnson/Favors/Cousins or perhaps trade it along with Ellis/Maggs/Biedrins to get an all-star type player?
pretty much spot on...
I’d have to decide between Johnson/Favors/Cousins or see what I could get for the 3rd + Ellis/Maggs/Beans…it really also depends on who is drafting 2. I’m of the Turner group that would consider trading Wall (if were to get # 1) For Turner and other pieces…If a team like Indi sneaks up or Philly to number 2 and they have guys like Granger/Iggy already, would they be open for a #3 pick + Ellis swap for Turner and another player? Probably not, but I would have to do some shopping.
by JimBarnett2KevinGarnett on Mar 21, 2010 5:45 PM PDT up reply actions
?
Why on earth would a team want to take on our 3 biggest contracts?
by wileyschmitt on Mar 25, 2010 10:33 AM PDT up reply actions
I'd go Cousins
And try to get bigger at the 2 via trade.
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I'd pick Cousins
Lineup would be Curry, Ellis, Azubuike, Randolph, Cousins
I would try and trade Biedrins and Maggs if there are any takers. I would also listen to offers for Ellis, if teams were willing to give up bigger wings (Granger, Iggy). Getting a bigger 2 guard should not be a priority though because that is not where the team gets beat. It’s down low where they get beat, hence the back to back 80 something and 70 something points in the paint, and Cosuins would help solve that problem.
With Cousins on board I still would not trade AB straight away.
Cousins will be better served playing no more than 20 min in rotation with Big T and AB untill he develops and there will be injuries.
by Only In Fairfax on Mar 21, 2010 7:52 PM PDT up reply actions
That's a good idea
a center rotation with diverse abilities is a good way to help Cousins ease into becoming a starter.
I think it's a better idea also.
I think it’d be very cool to have a Biedrins/Cousins? Turiaf three headed monster.
"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."
Turner is the man.
I don’t see how anyone can turn a blind eye to the fact that Evans and Curry are players that are absolutely made for each other. Since we’re all pretty much in agreement that we’re now building this franchise around Stephen Curry, could you also agree that you pick the one right tool? He is Curry. That backcourt would completely dominate the NBA for years to come. Maybe Cousins will be great, maybe he won’t. Last time I checked, we were already in a familiar limbo with another young big man named Randolph…wait, Wright too?
I would stand before you with a noose around my neck while you cock your arms back preparing to throw vegetables at me, that Curry/Turner would be more effective than Curry/Cousins.
you forgot to read. the scenario that this thread is underif we get the 3rd pick…
by homer simpson on Mar 25, 2010 12:23 AM PDT up reply actions
Dubs lotto pick
If we get the 3rd pick Cousins is a good safe pick. If Dubs get the 1st pick or 2nd or Walls or Turner falls into our 3rd pick i would take one of them hands down. Cousins is a Dubs need to fill a weak position on the Warriors team YET he needs time to work on his game to be a better player, but if we could get a experienced allstar b-ball player for our C and PF position then having Walls or Turner and even Ellis up for trading as a Dub is a good thing. We would still have a good PG in any case if we trade one. I like the thought of seeing Curry SG/ Walls PG as a better combination for the W’s. I like Ellis but he isn’t a step up guy and still has problems with Curry on the court. Then we would be left to work hard to trade for a experienced PF and C to the team who are up for a free agency or trade. I can only say that the Warriors need to make better decisions and get better players who want to wear The City jersey and make us fans proud and forever a Warrior at heart. I believe. Lets take back the W (win) mentality.
Cousins
I’d love to pick up cousins, I just like the kid’s personality. My only worry would be that he gets homesick since he’s a southern boy and might not feel at home out here? Ideally he’d hook up with Anthony Randolf and the two could be amigos? They both got their own unique skills and would make a nice set of young bigs.
Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Mar 21, 2010 7:58 PM PDT up reply actions
For reference, here are the top 5 lottery team chances last year:
1. 25%
2. 17.8%
3. 17.7%
4. 11.9%
5. 7.6%
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…at the #1 pick.
Numbers 2 and 3 were the same last year ‘cos the Clips and the Wiz finished with the same record. (For the lottery teams they don’t flip coins — they just split the difference in lotto combinations). Barring ties, the #2 team has a 19.9% shot at the top pick and the #3 team has a 15.6% shot.
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on Mar 21, 2010 6:08 PM PDT up reply actions
it is looking more likely by the day that the Warriors are going to finish with a shot at a top 3 pick.
Well, it’s 100% certain that all the teams who don’t make the playoffs will finish with a shot at a Top 3 pick. At our current spot, we have a slightly better than 50/50 shot (46.9%). If the Wizards “pass” us, that drops to 37.8%. Right now, those look like by far the two most likely options, though since we’re the Warriors, you can’t discount the possibility of a little hot streak that hemorrhages our lotto balls.
What’s nice about the #3 seed is that it gives us a 100% shot at (one of) Wall, Turner, Cousins, Favors, Aminu, and Johnson, who appear right now to be a pretty clear Top 6.
By all means … let the full-on tanking movement begin!!!
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on Mar 21, 2010 5:46 PM PDT reply actions 2 recs
"let the full-on tanking movement begin"
Yep, I’m a huge Warriors fan as the next person is.. But this years draft could very well have a BIG impact on our team whether it’s a player from the draft, or some sort of trade.
I personally would love Turner on our team. Can he play at the 3 though? I’m not very confident about that. Can we trade Ellis without giving up our pick (if we get Turner) and still get a talented player in return? If so, for who?
ur right, I should have been more clear and said...
It’s looking more likely by the day that the Warriors are going to finish with the third highest percentage of landing a top 3 pick.
by JimBarnett2KevinGarnett on Mar 21, 2010 6:09 PM PDT up reply actions
since we’re the Warriors, you can’t discount the possibility of a little hot streak that hemorrhages our lotto balls.
Haha, I wouldn’t put it past Nellie to do something so nefarious, he loves to screw with people’s dreams.
We really need a movement like the “we believe” with John Wall tee shirts for all the fans to sport these last few games.
Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Mar 21, 2010 7:41 PM PDT up reply actions
d'oh
we have a slightlybetterworse than 50/50 shot (46.9%)
Dangit, I always get > and < mixed up…
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on Mar 22, 2010 8:35 AM PDT up reply actions
By all means … let the full-on tanking movement begin!!!
Sleepy, the bandwagon is already full… you’ll have to start the second caravan.
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by Dubs fan in Boston on Mar 22, 2010 10:10 AM PDT up reply actions
I predict, however, that Nellie falls short, the Warriors go 4-9 to end 23-59, and the Dubs get out tanked by the Wizards (who go 1-14 to end the season) and drop to the 4th spot in the lottery ball standings
Well, let’s issue a challenge to our boys to out tank the Wiz? Let’s see what we are really made of? Do we have the stomach for the tough stuff?
Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Mar 21, 2010 7:32 PM PDT reply actions
I feel like Cousins is going to be a huge bust
Everyone raves about how he does so well in minimal minutes, but the reason he doesn’t get that many minutes isn’t because the coach doesn’t play him, it’s his foul rate. THE THING’S ENORMOUS! How do you know he’s not going to average more than the 3.2 fouls e is averaging against mostly players who won’t even make the NBA!
Living for a magical 8th seed run
4.9 personal fouls per 36 minutes … not pretty, but not outrageous when you consider he’s also averaging 2.9 blocks, 1.4 steals, 23.3 points, 15.5 rebounds, and 11 free throw attempts per 36. In sum, sounds/looks like a freshman who’s got a ton of enthusiasm for game. Fouls are something to keep on eye on, but certainly not a deal-breaker, imo.
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on Mar 21, 2010 9:05 PM PDT up reply actions
The reason why he doesn't get many minutes
is his poor conditioning.
"It's like Will Smith, remember the Fresh Prince? Get the ball don't let nobody else shoot? That's kinda what the offense can be sometimes, and they're just standing around waiting for Monta to make a play"
-MT2
by golden_solitude on Mar 21, 2010 9:49 PM PDT up reply actions
Yes, he needs to get in better conditioning.
"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."
anyone remeber Danny Fortson
I loved him in college. He dominated the NCAA.
If you did see him in college you can’t tell me Cousins is a the exact same person? Attitude, skill, etc. I’m suspect on Cousins becuase of his lack of speed and jumping ability. That could be why he fouls at such a high rate. I’d also suspect his shoot blocking may not translate to the NBA.
As a best case I see him as Kevin Love. Type player. Good but not a super star. I doubt Love will improve.
Sincerly.
Wes Johnson
A Bigger Kevin Love
Is a better player than Wes Johnson projects to be.
"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."
As a best case I see him as Kevin Love. Type player. Good but not a super star.
Haha, A 7 foot tall version of kevin love would be a real steal for a 2nd or 3rd pick.
Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Mar 23, 2010 10:31 PM PDT up reply actions
If you did see him in college you can’t tell me Cousins is a the exact same person?
didn’t see him, but Fortson was listed at 6’7", Cousins was reportedly 6’11" w/ a 7’6" wingspan at the Lebron James skills challenge.
Fortson was a good rebounder in college (~11 per 36 minutes), Cousins is a great rebounder at 15.5 per 36.
That could be why he fouls at such a high rate.in the NBA, a lot of bigs foul a lot early in their careers and eventually cut down on it. might be the same for college freshman.
Cousins is the highest risk/reward pick for the W’s. nothing would help this team more than a big man that could provide nightly rebounding, defend the low post & bring toughness to their interior defense while being able to catch & finish on the offensive end & set good picks to free up their shooters.
i guarantee every opposing big man thinks they can bully the W’s in the paint & every opposing wing player doesn’t hesitate to drive into the lane. even though Shaq is a shell of his former self, little guys like Jennings, Aaron Brooks, TJ Ford, etc or soft players don’t want to run into him inside & will pull up for difficult floaters.
by homer simpson on Mar 25, 2010 12:44 AM PDT up reply actions
I agree
We already have Randolph and Wright on our hands. Let’s trade Ellis for a proven, veteran big and draft Evan Turner. He and Curry will make poetry.
We already have Randolph and Wright on our hands. Let’s trade Ellis for a proven, veteran big and draft Evan Turner
That contradicts it self, if we did this wouldn’t it limit AR and BW’s minutes?
We all love the Warriors..
We all hate Cohan as an owner of this franchise…
Really torn between Favors and Cousins. I wish the guards on Georgia Tech had gotten the ball to Favors more so we could’ve received a better look at him on O. Guy was a beast blocking shots when I saw him on D.
by ChronicMasticator on Mar 21, 2010 8:56 PM PDT reply actions
Plus, Cousins has way more talent around him. He doesn’t have to carry the team as much as Favors.
by ChronicMasticator on Mar 21, 2010 8:59 PM PDT reply actions
I watched the Ostate and Gtech game today just to hopefully watch a glimpse of our future. Man if we can somehow grab Turner, than he and Curry would be a great backcourt for us for years! Imagine a “SNash and BRoy-like” backcourt. But if we can’t get Turner, than I would go for Favors over Cousins. The kid defintely plays big and knows his role as a big man. He would help out immediatey on the boards and create a low post presence.
I would love to hear more thoughts bout this.
by nuttinbutnet on Mar 21, 2010 9:25 PM PDT up reply actions
I completely Agree with you
I think this kid would be great for the warriors. He can run the floor well and is athletic enough to finish in transition. He rebounds well and is already a good defender down low and has enormous offensive potential (but is no means a finished project). I like Cousins a lot but I think Favors would be better for us.
I just see how many times Curry delivers a perfect pass to our bigs this year and they either fumble the pass or can’t finish. I think Favors is the perfect fit for a pick n’ roll combo. He has a great FG %. People say that’s mostly dunks, but that’s what he’ll get with Curry. We need a guy to finish like he can.
I like Cousins a lot but I think Favors would be better for us.
Let me just say that we already have similar players in both Wright AND Randolph. I like Favors and thiink he is the second best frontcourt player in this draft. But Cousins is a level above him right now imo. Favors is younger than Cousins, but still the age difference would be negligible. Cousins already has huge size even for the NBA. He is a lot more skilled and put up huge production.
To me, there really is no real argument that Favors has over Cousins. People will bring up the “mental” issues part about Cousins, but I think they are completely overblown. I definitely think this is a case where Cousins’ potential and production both outweigh the concerns over his “character”. Until and unless this guy F’s up, we should give him the benefit of the doubt. Or in other words, innocent until proven guilty.
If Cousins is gone by the time we pick, I would be down for Favors.
"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."
People will bring up the "mental" issues part about Cousins, but I think they are completely overblown.
Haha, Shaq did alright as crazy big guy.
Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Mar 23, 2010 10:32 PM PDT up reply actions
Ya I like Cousins a lot too.
And the production definitely cant be ignored but remember that the best two point guards in the country were passing to him. He was surrounded by a lot more talent around him and Favors had no one passing it to him. But I’d be happy with either guy I just like the way Favors can run the floor and think he has a lot of room (and desire) to improve.
And I don’t see how Wright and Randolph are all that similar. those two are scrawny who use their length. Favors is a physical beast already and has even more size and length, and a lot more strength. But I certainly wouldn’t be disappointed with cousins
I'm thinking similar in that...
Favors, like AR and Wright are still skinny players. They all need to add some muscle if they want to be a decent offensive/defensive player. I like Cousins because he embodies want Riley means when he uses the term “beef”. I would go with Cousins because he has legit size and won’t usually be smaller than his defender.
"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."
Favors is at least listed at 246. Even if this is a little exaggerated, he still probably weighs at least 10 lbs more than AR & Wright at age 18 than they do right now after they both reportedly bulked up.
that said, i would also go Cousins b/c he’s a C. Favors is a natural PF & there’s no guarantee that his jump shot out to 15 ft will improve enough to play that position. the W’s would benefit most from an impact C b/c Andris’ osteitis pubis is pretty serious, not to mention degenerative (& while his recent surgery on athletic pubalgia (aka sports hernia) was successful, that tends to affect players in other sports) and their options at PF are either bad rebounders (Vlad, Tolliver) or toothpicks (AR, BW).
by homer simpson on Mar 25, 2010 1:05 AM PDT up reply actions
+1 Kenntoe I completely agree with you.
There is always a risk but Cousins has the size and skill in the place where we need it. I like Favours but does he bring that much difference to our table than AR/BW . Cousins does potentially. Turner is great but talent wise since he is a junior I do not see it as a lock that he has more NBA talent than Cousins/Favours. Plus we will more likely be drafting in the 3/5 range anyway. Plus at SG/SF positions we do have talent for the near future consideration. Reggie Williams and Toliver are great bench players in those positions as well. Our need is in the low post and we may never have the opportunity to draft a player like Cousins again and not a lock at trading for one like him either.
by Only In Fairfax on Mar 25, 2010 11:20 AM PDT up reply actions
Our need is in the low post and we may never have the opportunity to draft a player like Cousins again and not a lock at trading for one like him either.
That’s a very good point that we should highly consider if we can’t get Wall.
Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Mar 25, 2010 11:48 AM PDT up reply actions
Poor Nets?
Cavs were the last team to have the worst record and won the lottery back in 2003, but boy did they win big! This bodes well for the Wolves, Warriors and the Wizards (all W teams w/o much W’s). While I doubt the players will really tank, playing with only 8 players will likely ensure them less than a handful of wins the rest of the year.
Win the inning.
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I’m not sure about the first round pick anymore, but in the second round, I’d love to see the W’s take Onauku or Samhan. Did anyone watch Samhan play against Villanova? He’s got incredible skill down low. Sure, he’s not athletic, not “fast”, not really in shape. But man, he looks so smooth with the ball in the post. Just wish he had a body like Favors. Can we draft their love child?
Almost reminds me of another big who lead a small school with a double digit seed that made it to the sweet 16
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by Dubs fan in Boston on Mar 22, 2010 10:15 AM PDT up reply actions
No link
How old are you? Patrick O’Bryant was only drafted 4 years ago…
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by Dubs fan in Boston on Mar 22, 2010 1:04 PM PDT up reply actions
The chances of an NBA second-round pick — particularly a 2nd round big man — developing into anything at all are so slim as to not really merit discussion.
Warriors big man 2nd rounders since 1995…
Michael McDonald (nice voice on those old Doobie Bros. / Steely Dan hits, but mediocre hoops ability)
Dwayne Whitfield
Andrew DeClerq
Marc Jackson
Tim Young
Chris Taft
Kosta Perovic
Stephane Lasme
Jermareo Davidson
Richard Hendrix
Only non-bust among these was Marc “Unstoppable Baby” Jackson, and even he kinda sucked…
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on Mar 22, 2010 3:00 PM PDT up reply actions
slim but not none
Ronny Turiaf (2005)
Martin Gortat (2005)
Glen “Big Baby” Davis (2007)
Paul Millsap (2007)
Carlos Boozer (2002)
Mehmet Okur (2001)
Anyway, you can’t really call 2nd round picks “busts”, since they’re not expected to be that great, anyway. You just hope for the best.
you can’t really call 2nd round picks "busts"
True that. I probably should have said “total washout, as expected.”
I’d boot Big Baby off your list, as he’s basically a total washout who has managed to parlay his cute personality, cute nickname, and all-star teammates into a fringe NBA career. Celtics fans and hoops nerds like jae have long known that he’s actually a pretty terrible basketball player; and he actually seems to be getting worse. Only a matter of time before the general public catches on.
But point taken: the chances of getting a serviceable big man in the second round are indeed better than zero.
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on Mar 22, 2010 4:43 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm not sure about Samhan but I would be willing to take a flier on him in the 2nd round BUT..
the guy I really really want to get in the 2nd round is Jimmer Fredette from BYU. He should be available at 33 and would fit in perfectly. He’s a better version of Wally Sczerbiak. Not only can he shot the lights out but he can slash and dish. He would be awesome! Anyone that grew up going to prisons just to play pick up ball with inmates in order to get stronger is someone that I want on the dubs.
by JimBarnett2KevinGarnett on Mar 22, 2010 5:02 PM PDT up reply actions
seconded on the Big Baby part.
His marginal game just went down the toilet this year.
"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."
maybe in a couple years
we’ll be able to add dajuan blair to that list
Living for a magical 8th seed run
Evan Turner
The thing I like about this guy is that he can handle, rebound, create for his teammates, while being able to score. He’s also pretty efficient too. I think drafting Turner would be great because it puts less pressure on Monta/Curry to create for others (I also like Turner being 6’7 too). Is Turner better than Wall? Maybe not, but I think the Warriors should take into consideration in drafting Turner (if they get the #1/2 pick of course).
certainly...
…this question has already been answered several times somewhere else on here that i couldn’t find or didn’t look for… so at my own risk will someone fill me in on what’s the general consensus for what to do if lightning strikes the s***house, and we get the 1 pick? Do you take turner over wall (and everything that involves moving a guard we already know to be good by taking wall?)
Also… When the draft happens, won’t Cohan still be transitionally in charge? Is that going to affect a trade involving our pick?
Cut.
by Butterknuckles on Mar 23, 2010 12:02 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
if lightning strikes the s***house
Somehow that’s a lovely, pitch-perfect analogy for the Warriors landing John Wall. Pure poetry.
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on Mar 23, 2010 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions
Wall over Turner
Regardless of need at either position. Wall is the better player. Turner the better college player. I once harped about Turner, but the more I watch him, the question, “how good can he really get an the NBA level?” keeps popping into my brain. I don’t see him as a dominator at any position. Not like Wall COULD be.
"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."
yeah. unless some team offers you something ridiculous like #2-#4 (assuming the W’s love the player available when that pick comes around) plus 3 unprotected picks a la Chris Webber for Penny Hardaway. if the offers for Wall are not mind-blowing, you check the offers on Curry (Monta probably has the smallest value if Mayo/Thabeet is any indication of the types of players you can get for him).
by homer simpson on Mar 25, 2010 1:15 AM PDT up reply actions
maybe i should clarify that i mean #2 + 3 unprotected picks or #3 + 3 u.p.‘s or #4 + 3 u.p.’s.
by homer simpson on Mar 25, 2010 1:17 AM PDT up reply actions
if lightning strikes the s***house, and we get the 1 pick? Do you take turner over wall
Yeah, and have the luxury of picking the best combination of Wall, Curr-bury,and Montay plus a big trade chip once the puzzle is solved. One of those three plus other assets can bring us a better player than turner.
Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Mar 23, 2010 10:50 AM PDT reply actions
No you trade down for Wes Johnson + something. Then you package our second round pick and that “something” and maybe a another player for another top 10 pick.
Wes Johnson + Ekpe Udoh.
Udoh – i made a comment or two about him earlier in the year but everyone’s got a boner for Monroe. Is it just me or is Udoh a more athletic Monroe? Not quite as good a passer but a better defender. Yessssss….i like that.
lol@"boner"
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on Mar 23, 2010 4:20 PM PDT up reply actions
he may not even be that. Marion has more athleticism while supposedly weighing 33 more lbs. (Marion is listed at 228 lbs on nba.com to Johnson’s 195 on draftexpress) more. Marion is an effective 3/4 b/c he had the bulk & athleticism to put up some resistance to 4’s while having the agility to guard perimeter players. there’s no guarantee that Johnson will be as athletic if he puts on 33 lbs. Marion is also 6’7.75" in shoes (so virtually 6’8"). there’s little chance that Johnson is taller than his listed height of 6’7" and he’s probably shorter.
Marion averaged more pts (18.7) & rebs (9.3) in his 1 season at UNLV than Johnson has as a junior even though he played about 2 less minutes than Wes does (Marion 32.9 minutes to 34.8 for Johnson). there’s no comparison if you look at Johnson’s freshman season.
so it’s probably a stretch to say he’ll be Shawn Marion.
by homer simpson on Mar 25, 2010 1:38 AM PDT up reply actions
How big is Udoh?
I don’t think he’s bigger than Monroe. Which is one of the reasons why I’d be down for drafting Monroe. I think he could play center.
"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."
Ping-pong ball update
All four games on the NBA ledger tonight could have lottery implications…
1. Bobcats at Wizards: Go Wizzzz! Up 44-38 at the half!!!
2. Pacers at Pistons: Go … somebody! As long as someone wins this we gain a game on someone.
3. Nuggets at Knicks: Go MFK!! Nuggets up 27-26 after 1.
4. Clips at Mavs: Go Boom!!!
There will be no extra point!
Whoa … Thornton hits 3-pointer at 0:08 to tie the ’Cats, and Jax bricks jumper to send it to OT! Possible serious tanking fail in progress…
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on Mar 23, 2010 6:34 PM PDT up reply actions
...
ah well, Wiz pull off the tank job in OT.
Knicks leading 99-94 with 4:00 left…
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on Mar 23, 2010 6:50 PM PDT up reply actions
... Knicks hold on, Pacers win, Pistons lose
NYK and IND are now close to being out of reach for us. Woo-hoo!
DET and WAS remain concerns…
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on Mar 23, 2010 7:12 PM PDT up reply actions
I really think 2000 was the crappiest draft ever.
"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."
Evan Turner
David Thorpe in his blog yesterday:
A team that has Monta Ellis and Stephen Curry simply cannot draft Wall and expect him to help. Turner certainly has a chance to be a good small forward, especially on a team that runs the way this team does, so he could fit the current roster without any issues. But there is also the thought that if the Warriors could trade Ellis, they would. In that scenario, would they be better off with a backcourt of Wall and Curry, or Curry and Turner?
It’s not cut-and-dried, because Curry has a great chance to be a special NBA player. Already a top shooter, he has the potential to be the best 3-point shooter and free-throw shooter in the league. He’s proving to be an excellent lead guard as well, with some execs suggesting that he is the smartest young player in the NBA. He’s a rare talent, and he’s got the game to bring more out of Turner.
Think of it this way: With his intelligence, passing skills and shooting talent, Curry has a solid chance to be Steve Nash-like. Moving him off the ball to accommodate Wall does not make a lot of sense.
DT is actually one of the chats I don't mind.
Hoopsworld chats are beyond garbage though.
"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."
Moving him off the ball to accommodate Wall does not make a lot of sense.
But Drafting Wall and trading Curr-bury for a PF of equal talent makes a lot of sense. We’d increase the athleticism of our point and upgrade our PF position too.
Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Mar 24, 2010 3:25 PM PDT up reply actions
It might make “a lot of sense” if you specified a conceivably-available PF who’s a clear upgrade on Randolph and Wright. As it is, it’s a bit nebulous to make sense.
Would trading Curry, Morrow, and Turiaf for Oden make sense to you? It’d be painful for me, but I’d strongly consider it (assuming we had Wall). Not sure if the Blazers would go for it, though. Maybe if their new GM has a thing for cute matinee idol-types with teethguards…?
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on Mar 24, 2010 4:46 PM PDT up reply actions
Would trading Curry, Morrow, and Turiaf for Oden make sense to you?
I’m not sure I trust Oden’s health any more? Who has Oden size and potential but is sturdier? I think the teams that would over pay us for Stef would likely be eastern teams like Charlotte, maybe Memphis, or NYK’s? any players on those we could use?
Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Mar 24, 2010 10:48 PM PDT up reply actions
Trading Curry ...
If Steph was in college this year he would be averaging 30 ppg and 10 assists and Davidson would be headed into the Sweet 16. Then all the experts would talking about Wall and Evans as 2 or 3 picks.
Wake up! The Warriors have a superstar in the making at PG now. Wall may or may not be a great NBA PG. Curry will be.
Davidson would be headed into the Sweet 16.
Davidson is totally irrelevant to the NBA game, a whole different level of play. Put the UK players on a team in Davidson’s conference and see what happens ?
Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Mar 25, 2010 11:53 AM PDT up reply actions
UK Players?
… Put UK players on a team in any conference and they go 30-2 or whatever so what’s the point? They’ve got a roster full of top flight college players. Put Curry (singular) on a good college team in any conference and they’d be a big time winner … that’s my point. And that point has been proven.
All of the NCAA is irrelevant to the NBA game for that matter.
if we cant get turner
im fine with either favors or cousins.. not really sure who i like more.. favors is an athletic freak but cousins has more of a skill set. tough pick.
If we get the number one pick
Lets say Nets get #2 pick and we get number one pick:
we trade Wright and Wall (and maybe Maggs)
for…. wait for it….
Lopez and Turner
do you think Nets make this move?
Nope
Big men like that are just too valuable. Same reason we won’t get Al Jefferson. Hell, it’s probably the same reason we’re not trading Randolph. If you even have a big guy with the “potential” to be a star, you hold onto him. Guards are much easier to move.
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