Top 10 things the Dubs need badly
by Dubs hoops on Apr 15, 2010 1:23 PM PDT
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We've got a huge offseason ahead of us, and I really can't believe we blew our draft pick. Thanks a lot, Steph.
There are many,many things we need to do to in order for our team to be competitive in the years to come. Here's a list of the top 10 things that the Dubs need to come back next year as a good team.
10. Re-sign Anthony Morrow
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How can we have a playoff run without Chocolate Rain?
He's our glue guy. He brings a great attitude to the locker room and can help us get over that hump, come playoff time.
You remember, of course, our last playoff run, We Believe. It was cut short because an idiot forgot we had the ability to sign Mike Miller, who's shot would have helped us succeed down the stretch.
Think Udonis Haslem. And then think of the heat without that guy. Without UD's J, D-wade and the Heat wouldn't be as high as a seed as they are now; I guarentee you that.
9. The development of Anthony Randolph
Heard reports that Brandan Wright is going to be our starting PF, and rightfully so. Randolph needs time to develop. He needs to get stronger and stop fouling. He'd be a huge factor off the bench if he can keep himself together mentally, and maybe add some pounds on too.
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8. A bounce-back season from Andris Biedrins
We don't expect a lot from Biedrins next year, but whatever he can bring to the table is enough for us to make a playoff run.
7. Production from Reggie Williams/Kelenna Azubuike
We need our two best defenders and swingmen to step up and be productive. Not a lot of people understand how much help those two guys can be, especially swingmen to their ability.
6. The return of Brandan Wright
He is going to be our starting PF- and let me just say, he looked very good with Curry in training camp.
And by the way, this was way back when almost every one of Curry's passes ended up flying off the court or breaking a window. If you watched him in training camp, he wasn't all that special:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RN7Zo7L6Sfw
But he developed very good chemistry with Wright. I cannot lie to you and say that Wright isn't as valuable as Anthony Randolph. They have both seemingly been written off by the Dubs fan base. I guarentee you you'll love Wright by the end of 2010.
5. Build around Stephen Curry
Okay, look. To all the people that say Curry isn't a franchise player- you haven't watched him.
He can score. He can pass. He struggles playing D, but only because he needs some pounds.
But now, at the end of the year, he's doing it all. No way, no way you can convince me he isn't a franchise player to build around. He is able to do it all, and do it all well.
And, over the last 3 games, he's shown you that you can dump the ball to him late in the 4th and he can take over the game. This guy is a franchise talent. And we need to build around him. Our original plan was to build around Monta and Steph, together. But now, I say Curry's the best franchise talent we've gotten in a while and we need to build around him, put pieces around him to compliment him. No different from Lebron, Melo, Bosh, Wade, and Nash. I honestly think that with his abilities and his development, I can call him a franchise talent for years to come.
And I mean yeeeeaaars. 
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4. Getting a good trade for Monta Ellis:
Look, I know people here want us to keep Ellis- but it just isn't going to work. If the Warriors are to take the extra step to become a playoff-calibur team, we need, and I mean NEED a frontcourt upgrade to go with Curry. Curry is a backcourt on his own. Whoever we get in the draft- Johnson, Turner, Favors, whoever...
Will be a great Robin to our Batman, I'm sure. But, we really need to make a big trade this offseason. And it has to involve Ellis.
3. A workmanlike , defensive-minded anchor
What I keep saying we need- is a defensive-minded guy. Take for example, Serge Ibaka. A rookie that comes in, does the dirty work, not much of an offensive game- But he plays D and it rubs off on every player on the team.
Or Batum on the Blazers- not a defensive stop he's failed to make in his two-year career. He can be the best defender in the league in 2 years- better than Thabo.
2. A good draft pick
More than anything, we need to hit on this draft pick. We need a top 3 or 4 pick, and we need a player that can at least come in handy in a couple years. That, or a guy like Turner that can come in and perform immediately- whatever it is, we need it.
1. A new coach
Let's face it- Nellie had a god career. But coming back an extra year to coach is idiotic. I understand he wants to play a part in the development of this very, very young squad, but his career from now on is done. What we need most of all is a defensive minded-coach: like Tom Thibodeau or Mike Budenholzer, the ast. Coaches for D.Rivers and G.Popavic, respectively. We need a good defensive-minded coach to take over this young crew of players- and if it means going after a guy like Batum, Sefeloschia, Ibaka, etc. Then so be it. We need the right coach.
Mike Budenholzer
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The real point is that nothing is going to happen until the team is sold. Usually when new management comes in — and this applies to companies as well as teams — they want to put there own stamp on the product. If the sale goes through fast enough, I think we’ll see many of these players moving. At least one of Wright/AP and Beans/Turiaf and Morrow/AZ.
"What makes you think you're Jesus Christ?"
"Well, when I pray I seem to be talking to myself"
but it just isn't going to work.
I tend to disagree
The person who writes for fools is always sure of a large audience.
Most people have written off Wright and Randolph?
Is that a joke? It seems to me that most of the people around here can’t get enough of Wright and Randolph despite the fact that Wright can’t stay on the court and Randolph cries like a baby when he isn’t put on the court.
I agree that they can (and need to) have a could year and if that happens, this team could make a big turn around next year, but these guys aren’t super stars with a track record. I’m skeptical.
And where did you hear Wright is going to be the starter next year? Link?
Wright is going to be our starting PF next year.
It was on Warriors Weekly- Larry Riley said that Wright would be the starting PF
No he didn’t. He mentioned Wright playing in the summer league, that in no way indicates he will start. I’m sure he will start some games and that would be fine. Nellie mixes the starting lineups a lot anyway. There will be some interesting, fun to watch small lineups that can be very effective at both ends. (Curry, Watson, Williams, Wright, and Randolph)
by wileyschmitt on Apr 16, 2010 3:31 PM PDT up reply actions
Very good post, Dubs Hoops. I would agree with everything you said, although I’m not sure of who would be the best coach. I tend to be leery of hiring assistants of successful programs like Budenholzer and Thibodeau. It almost never works out. What makes a successful assistant coach often doesn’t translate to making a successful head coach. Those guys are often successful because of their head coaches, not vice-versa.
I’m not sure that the owner/management will do too much changes early. Partly because of the timing of the transfer of ownership. it seems that new ownership would be installed no time earlier than the draft and perhaps after the beginning of the season. I don’t see many changes happening before the season begins. But I would like to see Monta traded and a new coach.
by San Francisco Slim on Apr 15, 2010 3:27 PM PDT reply actions
A simple two-step process that’s guaranteed to work.
#1. Get better players
#2. Repeat step #1 as necessary.
by jae on Apr 15, 2010 3:44 PM PDT reply actions 3 recs
#1 Ding Ding Ding!!
I don’t even think a good/great coach matters as long as you have the better players on your team. I mean look at Mike Brown for example…
"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."
Yeah, I have no idea what people are talking about when they bring up Mike Brown being a coach of the year candidate, Cav’s would be better though with a good coach.
by wileyschmitt on Apr 16, 2010 3:33 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm not convinced we need to trade Monta, but the problem is we won't know until a new coach gets to work with him ...
… and that makes this offseason difficult.
It all depends on if Monta is going to get with the program, let Curry be the primary ballhandler, and accept a reduced role. He’s such a talented guy that I’d really like to see him given a chance to do the right thing.
Looks like towards the end they scrapped the Monta as a PG idea, and had Curry run most possessions as the lead ball handler. If they last few games with Monta back are any indication, less Monta on the ball and more Curry on the ball looks pretty good. At least offensively. Defensively I think we definitely need a defender who is versatile enough to guard the opposing team’s best perimeter player (1-3 depending).
Can Kelenna be this defensive stopper? I was never impressed with his defense in the first place, but some here did.
I think rebounding should be #2. #1 most important need is more talent, more talent, more talent. We need a legit player that other team’s fear. Curry could develop into that kind of player. Randolph maybe too, but we’ll see where his development goes next year. Hopefully AB returns to his effective form.
A part of me doesn’t want to even think about the draft until after the lottery. Let’s just be glad we have June/July Nellie on our side. He’ll run circles around these other guys.
Anyone know when the coin flip is?
"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."
Anyone know when the coin flip is?
Someone here said 17 April (this Saturday) but I’m not sure how reliable that is. I can’t find it through google. I would like to know exactly when it is so I can get out my rosaries, horseshoes, rabbit’s feet, etc. The difference between an 83% shot a Top 5 pick and a 56% shot is pretty huge.
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on Apr 15, 2010 6:17 PM PDT up reply actions
#1 Thing we need:
An all-star big man. All the rest of the things you mentioned are meaningless. If we want to win a championship, we need an all-star big.
by HOLDEMUPGoldenStateOfOppression on Apr 15, 2010 3:52 PM PDT reply actions
What exactly makes u think Monta and Steph won't work?
They play pretty well together and there chemistry is continuing to build. Let them carry it through to next season and hopefully they will elevate both there games.
As long as we get our frontcourt healthy again, everything in our backcourt should be fine.
It has to do with lack of size
and the problem with lack of size is that it isn’t something that is easily fixed by getting a very strong post defender.
It clearly works offensively, but it probably won’t work defensively, especially if you actually intend to make a deep run into the playoffs.
by Reverend_Randy on Apr 16, 2010 11:22 PM PDT up reply actions
Ronny plays good position defense, but cannot rebound up to the standards of the position and thus, the team suffers significantly on defense when he’s in. Biedrins does not play good position defense on other bigs, and thus that can be exploited when he’s in. I tend to think that with better defensive performance at the other positions, the superior rebounding Biedrins can provide will show itself to be more valuable, but counting on either to anchor a poor-defensive team is a recipe for the sort of disaster we’ve seen with them anchoring a group of lousy defenders.
I think he means on the perimeter.
And AR has a lot to prove on defense. He can block shots well, but that’s not the whole story.
Curry is close to a franchise talent, but I'm not completely sold yet...
I don’t think he will ever reach the elite tier of players, but could reach the next best. Not the level of the Kobes, Lebrons, Garnetts, and Duncans, but more of a Billups, Amare, type talent that can help lead a very good team as long as there is at least one other player that is as good as them. We can build around Curry, but he is not going to be able to lead this team by himself the way that Wade and Lebron are capable of.
If he can be as effective as Billiups...
I’d be ecstatic. Still not out of the question, which is a great thing.
"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."
Billups...
Isn’t that good. Jrue Holiday will turn out to be a better version of Billups. Curry can turn out to be a better version of Nash.
by Dubs hoops on Apr 15, 2010 5:08 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Billups…Isn’t that good.
You misspelled “Billups has been really, really good, though since he isn’t flashy and had been written off as a failure early in his career there will be those doubters, but those who are concerned with things that help teams win games realize how good Billups is and, not surprisingly, his teams tend to win (and tend not to win when he departs).”
I don’t see the comparison at all. Billups is a great shooter and Holiday is a great defender.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Apr 15, 2010 8:22 PM PDT up reply actions
I rec'd your comment just because you got balls to make bold statements.
"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."
In that case...
Rob Kurz will turn out to be better, albeit whiter, version of Amar’e Stoudemire.
I’ll be waiting on that rec, Herr. Kenntoe.
Did Morrow get ejected???
by DrManatee on Apr 16, 2010 12:03 AM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
there.
But I’m pretty sure he actually believed what he was typing.
"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."
I don’t think he will ever reach the elite tier of players
Yeah, he’s got a strength problem so once they start roughing him up he’ll probably have a harder time? Physical players seem to be able to handle him.
Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Apr 15, 2010 9:35 PM PDT up reply actions
You’ll see, Curry will be a top 5 to 10 player in a few years, I said top 5 player before but you all gave me crap :) Steve Nash won 2 MVP’s and Curry will be better than Nash eventually.
by wileyschmitt on Apr 16, 2010 3:39 PM PDT up reply actions
A defensive-minded coach to take over an offensive-minded team? How’s that supposed to work unless we cut or trade half the players from the roster? Oh, wait . . .
by ChronicMasticator on Apr 15, 2010 4:37 PM PDT reply actions
How’s that supposed to work unless we cut or trade half the players from the roster?
That’s what building a winning team is all about, get tougher and rougher, bigger and stronger.
Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Apr 15, 2010 9:36 PM PDT up reply actions
Not sure about nellie anymore
I’d like to give him one more year. He’s earned it.
Also, I keep remembering the string of bad coaches we had after he left the first time, we weren’t good again until he returned.
He has the team behind him and that means a lot.
I’d also like to see this team keep Monta for one more year to see if it can work with better front line.
Your top ten list, if this year sucks, will be perfect more next year.
I’d like to give him one more year. He’s earned it.
Back to back sub-30 win seasons would normally be justification for sending someone packing. Were he fired, he’d have earned that as well.
by jae on Apr 15, 2010 8:54 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Back-to-back 30 wins season and being owed 6 million dollars can have a strange effect on certain ownerships.
Take my bags, not my top 3 pick!
"Winning is not enough. All others must lose." - Larry Ellison
by Badly Browned on Apr 15, 2010 10:50 PM PDT up reply actions
Larry Brown and Phil Jackson could have a baby
and that child could grow up to be the best coach of all time
and this team, this season, with the injuries we’ve had
would have a losing season
This squad had more players go down in injury than any Warriors team in history!
That we got 26 wins is a surprise. Nellie was a big reason
Nellie was a big reason
Yep, Nellie put this flawed team on the court and managed to run most of them to the hospital with his frenetic pace and limited substitutions, but who was surprised?
Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Apr 15, 2010 11:39 PM PDT up reply actions
please
he runs a frenetic pace every season – by this logic he would have most of his players in the hospital each year. Injuries are due to freak occurrences (see injury to Buike) and player’s own lack of conditioning, stretching, etc.
Why doesn’t anyone give Nellie credit for doing more with less?
I’m not a huge fan of his and I’m fine with moving on to another coach – but all I see on this site is hating on him – he is the only Warrior coach to ever make this team worth watching – both times he has been here. He is the only one to get them to the playoffs. He did both of these things by having them run at a frenetic pace. The teams he had could only win if they ran a frenetic pace.
Why doesn’t anyone give Nellie credit for doing more with less?
I’m not sure that he did do “more with less”. Where was the “more” part?
how about taking an 8 seed and beating a one seed?
This season, we had far more injuries than any other team, but we were better (not always based on record) than a good five or six teams. Based on injuries I am surprised we got even 20 wins.
Credit should be given to the players and the coach when this occurs.
he is the only Warrior coach to ever make this team worth watching
So you don’t recognize Al Attles making the team winners? If you’d rather watch Nellie give us excuses instead of Al give us a trophy I can’t really discuss Nellie’s flaws with you.
Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Apr 16, 2010 3:12 PM PDT up reply actions
Nellie had absolutely nothing to do with the amount of injuries the team had, Monta had way too many minutes this year and only had the flu and very minor injuries. Steph played the entire year when skeptics thought he couldn’t handle the physicality of NBA basketball.
by wileyschmitt on Apr 16, 2010 3:44 PM PDT up reply actions
Re: Back to back sub-30 win seasons would normally be justification for sending someone packing.
Normally being the key word. I don’t think anyone would consider the amount of player games missed do of injuries this season “normal”.
Coaching was not the cause of this team not making the playoffs. Taking a borderline roster and decimating it with injuries will get you a crappy record. When they’ve had a decent roster, he’s won. When they’ve had garbage, he’s lost.
How does that justify a coaching change? It’s almost as weak a correlation as Derick Fisher and championships.
I give pressure the reach-around.
by bloodsweatndonuts on Apr 16, 2010 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions
It’s almost as weak a correlation as Derick Fisher and championships.
But Fish and rings is a good result while Nellie and smallball is a bad result?
Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Apr 16, 2010 3:14 PM PDT up reply actions
Re: But Fish and rings is a good result
Only if you’re in the mood for greasy food.
“Smallball” is only a “result” if you’re swimming in cold water.
I give pressure the reach-around.
by bloodsweatndonuts on Apr 16, 2010 3:37 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
yes jae
having about 8 players a night for most of the season any coach could take that team to the playoffs even if most of them have only been in the nba 2yrs or less
by Morrow is wet!!! on Apr 15, 2010 9:58 PM PDT reply actions
Here’s what puzzles me about Morrow. I like the guy, he’s a very good 3 pt shooter and can develop his game. But I wouldn’t resign him unless I can get him for around 4-5 mil per year. Morrow is a good shooter, but that’s all he can really do right now. He has a hard time creating shots for himself, and his ball handling/play making isn’t exactly SG material. Plus, with Azubuike coming back and Reggie Williams playing well, he might not get the playing time.
Morrow’s a goner.
Confident Marco Belinelli supporter
by Doctor Kajita on Apr 15, 2010 10:43 PM PDT up reply actions
Morrow’s a goner.
and just like pietrus he’ll end up on a winner that values his specialty more than we do?
Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Apr 15, 2010 11:41 PM PDT up reply actions
pietrus is still shaky and inconsistent on the magic
He is a great guy but lets not talk about him as if he went on to become an allstar.
as for morrow, I hope he stays, but I think if we package him with someone to get a rugged big man vet then it is worth it.
As for ending up on a winner, half the teams in the NBA make the playoffs – so its pretty easy to be a “winner” and make the playoffs – unless your team is owned by Cohan.
Honestly, if we get Al Horford for Morrow and Maggette – I’d be thrilled and be happy for Morrow – just like I am happy for Crawford and J-Rich.
Yes
He would be more valuable on a team that actually gets him open shots. In order for him to be more successful on the Warriors, he needs to be able to create his own shot better (IMO).
Confident Marco Belinelli supporter
by Doctor Kajita on Apr 16, 2010 10:07 AM PDT up reply actions
Reggie has been hot n' cold with his shooting. One night he'll go 4-7 the next he'll go 0-5.
Morrow is still the best shooter in the history of the universe ;P
Btw, in Nellie’s system, the SF should be the one with the ball handling and plat making material, hence why Capt Jack was good for us before the implosion.
Take my bags, not my top 3 pick!
"Winning is not enough. All others must lose." - Larry Ellison
by Badly Browned on Apr 15, 2010 10:52 PM PDT up reply actions
reggie shoots a better % than Morrow
and of you don’t think Morrow has streaks of being cold then you have a short memory.
Plus, Reggie is cheaper and can do a lot more than Morrow (like handle the SF point spot) that good ball players do (defense, move without the ball, rebound, dribble).
reggie shoots a worse % than morrow
TS%:
Morrow: .597
Williams: .588
The reason I would rather keep Morrow (if it comes down to keeping one of them) is that Morrow has a specific thing he does at an elite level, where Williams does things that we have other players who can do. I like Williams, I’m not in a rush to get rid of him, but you don’t need multiple guys who do what Williams does.
Morrow has a place on every team in the league. So long as we have Monta and Curry, we have a much greater need for Morrow’s skill-set than Williams’s.
If I was building a team from scratch, no, Morrow wouldn’t be the first guy I picked. I’d probably pick Williams over him in those circumstances. But that’s not what we’re doing.
He has streaks of being cold? No more so than every other jump-shooter in the league. Jump-shots are streaky. That happens. The guy hits them at a fantastic rate.
Nothing about Nellie's system requires the 3 to be a ball-handler.
And Jackson wasn’t, actually, good for us when he was in that role. He shot too low a percentage, took too many shots, and turned the ball over too much.
Nellie’s system is about spreading the floor with 4 guys and a single classic big. (He’s happy to play multiple bigs if the second big is like early-career Novitski, a 3 in a 4’s body). It doesn’t require multiple ball-handlers and we already know who our ball handler is (Curry.)
One of the best ways to spread the floor is to stick a great shooter at the 3-pt line. No, Morrow can’t create his own shot, he shouldn’t have to. But there’s no reason this team can’t run a pick-and-roll with Curry and Beans (who can’t create his own shot) with Morrow (who can’t create his own shot) as an outlet and create lots and lots of shots for a pair of guys who are really good at finishing shots other guys create for them.
I meant in the way Nellie likes to run the SF at point at times because he can then take advantage of his two guards' shooting/scoring
Not necessarily that the SF should run point all the time.
Take my bags, not my top 3 pick!
"Winning is not enough. All others must lose." - Larry Ellison
by Badly Browned on Apr 16, 2010 5:15 PM PDT up reply actions
Creating shots/ ball handling isn't a concern IMO
because he’s a role player and such an effective spot up shooter (a luxury when Monta or Steph reaps double teams). But I concur, he isn’t worth more then 4 million dollars per year. I want to see him in a Dubs uniform next season because of the way his heart reflects this young squad-but for the right price.
"It's like Will Smith, remember the Fresh Prince? Get the ball don't let nobody else shoot? That's kinda what the offense can be sometimes, and they're just standing around waiting for Monta to make a play"
-MT2
by golden_solitude on Apr 15, 2010 11:23 PM PDT up reply actions
Well, not being able to create your own shot will likely result in sitting on the bench, like Steve Novak and the like. Unless you’re on a team that can continually get you an open shot, like the Lakers do for Fisher.
Confident Marco Belinelli supporter
by Doctor Kajita on Apr 16, 2010 10:08 AM PDT up reply actions
Matt Barnes couldn't create his own shot, he got plenty of PT.
Michael Pietrus couldn’t create his own shot. He got plenty of PT.
You’re wrong that every player needs to be able to create his own shot. What a team needs, generally, is one or two players who can create their own shots, and/or create shots for other players.
Who cares if Morrow can create his own shot if Curry can create it for him?
Matt Barnes couldn’t create his own shot, he got plenty of PT.
Michael Pietrus couldn’t create his own shot. He got plenty of PT.
You’re wrong that every player needs to be able to create his own shot. What a team needs, generally, is one or two players who can create their own shots, and/or create shots for other players.
Who cares if Morrow can create his own shot if Curry can create it for him?
Matt Barnes and Pietrus plays defense and plays it well.
I didn’t say every player has to create his own shot. I said Morrow not being able to create his own shot will hurt his chances of being on this team next year. You’re right, who cares if Curry can create for him, but it didn’t happen nearly enough, and it wasn’t Curry’s fault. Morrow had his chances. He not only can create for himself, but he is not very good at using screens and moving without the ball ala Reggie Miller. So without those two attributes on the Warriors, I think Morrow is highly expendable, especially with the addition of Reggie Williams.
Confident Marco Belinelli supporter
by Doctor Kajita on Apr 16, 2010 1:53 PM PDT up reply actions
Typo
“He not only canNOT create for himself…”
Confident Marco Belinelli supporter
by Doctor Kajita on Apr 16, 2010 1:54 PM PDT up reply actions
WIlliams and Morrow play completely different roles on the team.
Morrow may not be Reggie Miller, but he’s a great 3-pt shooter (which Williams isn’t).
Furthermore, for all the talk about Williams being able to create his own shot, he shot the ball a whopping .5 times per 36 minutes more.
Uh …
Believe me, I like Morrow. Actually, I love that guy. He’s nothing but a class act. And he’s a deadly 3-pt shooter when he’s set. That’s a great asset.
Furthermore, for all the talk about Williams being able to create his own shot, he shot the ball a whopping .5 times per 36 minutes more.
That stat doesn’t make any sense to me. From what I saw of Reggie Williams, he can dribble, shoot off the dribble, catch-and-shoot (he has a very nice, fluid shot, IMO), and can take it to the hole, get contact, and finish.
If you can justifiably say that Morrow has more value to the Warriors, I’d like to hear it. So far, you’ve claimed he’s a great 3-pt shooter that doesn’t need to create his own shot because he has Curry. He had Curry all year and the consensus is that he didn’t improve on last year. I’d venture to say he had a worse sophomore year than rookie year because teams figured out how to play him: on the perimeter.
Confident Marco Belinelli supporter
by Doctor Kajita on Apr 16, 2010 2:59 PM PDT up reply actions
That stat doesn’t make any sense to me.
I think it’s a classic case of selective memory. Reggie Williams is a guy you NOTICE when he shoots, because he looks good doing it.
It similar to why a lot of fans overvalue Monta’s performance this year – when he does something, you notice it. An open jump shot doesn’t look that special – the guy’s just standing there, he catches, and he shoots – and it goes it a LOT. The guy who stands out in your mind is more likely to be the guy who did something fancy to create the shot.
The fact that the stat doesn’t make any sense to you is – no offense – irrelevant. It says more about your perception than his performance.
If you can justifiably say that Morrow has more value to the Warriors, I’d like to hear it.
He shoots a higher percentage, and shoots the ball and almost-indentical amount. He provides a skill set that no other player on the team can match.
Whereas the team doesn’t really need another slashing creating guy – we’ve got Monta and Curry. Doesn’t mean I want to get rid of Williams, but he relative “lack of value” simply comes from the fact that there are other guys who do what he does, and quite possibly do it better.
. I’d venture to say he had a worse sophomore year than rookie year because teams figured out how to play him: on the perimeter.
Not true. He shot the ball .2/36 less, but shot the ball more efficiently (.597 vs. .588).
I don’t see any way to make that “worse.” And it’s even more impressive when you consider he did all that despite the team running its offense through Monta Ellis for much of the season – a guy who often failed to pass to the open man.
Michael Pietrus couldn’t create his own shot. He got plenty of PT.
but he was one of the best defenders we’ve had in recent years. If we had kept Pietrus, Barnes, and Jrich and got some better bigs we’d be in the playoffs right now. We’ve gone a long ways toward nowhere since getting rid of the 07 boys.
Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Apr 16, 2010 3:18 PM PDT up reply actions
If we hadkept Pietrus, Barnes, and Jrich andgot some better bigs we’d be in the playoffs right now.
Maybe, anyway, depending on who the bigs were. Or maybe if the ones we had hadn’t missed like 200 games total to injury? In any case, fungible, overpriced swingmen like Pietrus, Barnes and JRich wouldn’t likely have made a difference one way or the other. Kelenna, ReggieWTF, and Morrow give you the same production (if not better) for a fraction of the cost.
Why are you babbling about this alternate universe again? Did you bang your head and wake up thinking it was 2007?
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on Apr 16, 2010 8:00 PM PDT up reply actions
Why are you babbling about this alternate universe again?
just tired of starting over every season with new potential instead of keeping the successful crew, and the 07 boys were the last successful (actually in the playoffs) crew
Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Apr 16, 2010 10:47 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, it's a real shame we traded JRich ...
… cuz there was no way we were going to win as many games without him.
Oh, wait, that’s not right.
there was no way we were going to win as many games without him.
obviously we haven’t made the playoffs since he left, that’s what matters, not number of wins. The wins may vary each season but the best teams always make the playoffs.
Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Apr 16, 2010 11:22 PM PDT up reply actions
This is your assertion.
No, that’s the rules. The best teams are defined as the one’s that win the most that season. There’s no injury or sympathy exception. If you don’t like the definition change the rules.
Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Apr 19, 2010 3:29 PM PDT reply actions
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