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Curry has been fantastic since, oh, January. But Evans has been every bit as good over that stretch. And also, Evans didn't suck in November and December. Of late, Evans and Curry have produced similar numbers. Evans has been doing it all year. Curry has been doing it since the midway point.

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It should be fair to mention

that Tyreke plays in some semblance of an NBA offense. Warriors play a video game style that pads stats and make players look a lot better than they really are. Imagine how the players fortunes would be if Tyreke played for Golden State and Curry played for the Kings, I think the ROY race would be even easier to call than it is now.

Phil Jackson, after treatment for a kidney stone "When the anesthesiologist leaned over me, he said "We named your kidney stone Kobe because it's not passing."

by Ellimist on Apr 15, 2010 3:23 PM PDT reply actions  

Too bad Curry takes less shots a game than Tyreke

While being a so called stat padding offense. Oh wait….

by Crashbranman on Apr 15, 2010 4:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

But...

He’s not a point guard… did you hear? It’s the best “PG” of the last 4 months. Not rookie of the year.

Bé foréwarnéd: I am a mémbér of StR Groupthink méntality.

by CAB on Apr 15, 2010 3:28 PM PDT reply actions  

I'd be...

…fine with a non-PG winning it. Unfortunately, the only people contending are point guards. Seeing as Tyreke’s scoring efficiency isn’t so hot both as a point guard AND a shooting guard, the distinction doesn’t much matter to me. If he played off the ball and wasn’t in charge of the team’s passing and movement quite so much, I’d probably like him for it more. He also, despite his enormous size advantage, can’t even claim to be a better defender than Steph.

by Zack Vank on Apr 15, 2010 4:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

The point about distinguishing him as Not A Point guard

is that it’s NOT a point at all. It’s totally irrelevant. The fact that Dub fans are using this as a way to knock him is ludicrous. The notion that he isn’t a good defender is ludicrous as well. The article that spurred all this was a mix of blatant exaggerations mixed in with some FG% stats. Cherry pick all you want, but Evans homers can make a case for his ROY candidacy without writing an article about Curry that lists one positive, and then listing a bunch of subjectively negative attributes as if those negate the whole body of work.

Bé foréwarnéd: I am a mémbér of StR Groupthink méntality.

by CAB on Apr 16, 2010 5:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

It should probably be mentioned

That Tyreke often had the opposing team’s best defender on him, which probably had something to do with his lower scoring efficiency. Not saying I can prove that, but it’s worth a mention.

by Christina_J on Apr 16, 2010 8:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

If you can't prove it

it isn’t worth a mention. That much is obvious.

by Reverend_Randy on Apr 17, 2010 9:54 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Wait so if a GSOMer posts on STR

We are trolling but its ok when you guys post here cause you guys are classy? amirite?

by saint.dee on Apr 15, 2010 4:13 PM PDT reply actions  

Not really.

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Apr 15, 2010 4:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

this is a response to your head man's blatant trolling

petty? yes.

justifiable? absolutely.

can curry hold off the jalen rose-east-coast-idiot brandon jennings movement for second place in the ROY voting? probably. he deserves second place.

Curry’s a great player. Kings fans know it and admit it. On the other hand, all you guys do is trash Tyreke. Most ROY voters have never heard of your site, nor were they watching Bobby F’s pathetic propaganda campaign last night (scoring average doesn’t matter – its 30 point games that do), so it won’t matter.

Have a good one, lloyd out

by lchristmas on Apr 15, 2010 5:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't...

…think 30 point games or scoring average matter without the context of scoring efficiency, for the record. I admit Tyreke is real good, not denying that. Fitzgerald isn’t much my favorite either…

Who do you mean by “head man,” by the by? I haven’t seen what’s been posted on your guys’ site.

by Zack Vank on Apr 15, 2010 8:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

Atma posted the Curry Golden Boy on their fanshot

StR fans are acting like they’re above it all calling us trolls both on their site and the Bucks website.

by saint.dee on Apr 15, 2010 8:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

Uh no

That’s not what happened. One person said that over at Brew Hoop. I was one person who said something. There was one OTHER person at Brew Hoop who said something. Most who went over haven’t commented. Since I have no idea knowing who believes what you can only go by.

Just for the record, I do disagree with AB1 about ROTY and what not. That is not a secret to anyone. I have not hidden behind any agenda. But calling you trolls comes from ignorance on how this deal works. Most of the people who called people trolls have done so without recognizing how SBN works and what not.

But what AB1 did was not trolling. 214 and TZ didn’t agree with it, but it wasn’t trolling.

Oh, and I read the article without AB1’s posting it at StR. So I came to that one late as well. And like I told you before saint: Stick your complaint up your pipe and smoke it. There is no high horses in the blogosphere despite your pretense.

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Apr 15, 2010 9:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yup

that’s why I was so happy to be better than them this year. If we lost our 3rd position to anyone else, I’d have been pissed.

by Reverend_Randy on Apr 17, 2010 9:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

And also, Evans didn’t suck in November and December.

To copy from a post I made in the fanpost

Curry 31 gp / 31.9 mpg / 11.8 pts (.527TS%) / 4.4 fg / 10.1 fga / .442 fg% / 3.7 reb / 4.5 ast / 1.8 stl / 2.5 tov
Evans 28 gp / 36.9 mpg / 20.3 pts (.522TS%) / 7.5 fg / 17.4 fga / .441 fg% / 5.1 reb / 4.8 ast / 1.4 stl / 3.0 tov

These are the stat lines of Curry and Evans in all the games in 2009. Efficiency wise, they are fairly close, but Tyeke took 7 more FGA a game than Curry. This to me, says that Evans was already the head honcho in Cow Town while Curry had to play second fiddle to Jackson and then Monta.

Sucking early in the season =/= Not being given the opportunity early on in the season

Unfortunately for Curry, that fact is probably what will cost him ROY.

Take my bags, not my top 3 pick!
"Winning is not enough. All others must lose." - Larry Ellison

by Badly Browned on Apr 15, 2010 4:41 PM PDT reply actions  

Methinks you have something wrong with your TS numbers...

Trust me, learning english isn’t a waste of time. It is actually sort of useful.

-randolphforpresident

by Dubs fan in Boston on Apr 15, 2010 6:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

What wrong with them?

Take my bags, not my top 3 pick!
"Winning is not enough. All others must lose." - Larry Ellison

by Badly Browned on Apr 15, 2010 7:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

What's*

Take my bags, not my top 3 pick!
"Winning is not enough. All others must lose." - Larry Ellison

by Badly Browned on Apr 15, 2010 7:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

Curry's TS% is too low.

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Apr 15, 2010 7:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

These are the stat lines of Curry and Evans in all the games in 2009.

This is what Curry’s stat line looked before January.

Take my bags, not my top 3 pick!
"Winning is not enough. All others must lose." - Larry Ellison

by Badly Browned on Apr 15, 2010 7:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ah my bad then. I did misread that part.

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Apr 15, 2010 7:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

A'men brotha

I undersand now…

Trust me, learning english isn’t a waste of time. It is actually sort of useful.

-randolphforpresident

by Dubs fan in Boston on Apr 16, 2010 1:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

Did you read my entire post?

Unfortunately for Curry, that fact is probably what will cost him ROY.

Come on now…..

Take my bags, not my top 3 pick!
"Winning is not enough. All others must lose." - Larry Ellison

by Badly Browned on Apr 16, 2010 7:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

Come on now. You should know very well that people disregard reading comprehension in favor of using strawmen arguments in a heated debate. >_>

by WYK on Apr 16, 2010 2:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

Man who cares?

I dont. We got Curry. He’s going to be a 20-10-4 guy next year depending our front court(they gotta finish to get the assist). Tyreke doesn’t make other people better like Curry. I mean Curry made 5 d-leaguers pretty solid players.

by GSWeri on Apr 15, 2010 6:12 PM PDT reply actions  

Three players in the NBA this season averaged 10+ assists.

Don’t be so cocky to say that Curry will just jump up to the upper echelon. Although Curry is a great passer, you could argue the same for Evans (or just about any guard) with the logic that you just need to surround him with better front court players.

As for your inane banter about Evans not making his team better like Curry — Evans led an arguably worse and less experienced team to 8 more wins than last season. Nah, but you’re right. That’s probably due to Spencer Hawes’ stellar play.

by Webber's Ankle on Apr 15, 2010 9:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

or they just were solid D-Leaguers

Toliver, Hunter and especially Williams can play.

by Gilo424 on Apr 16, 2010 1:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

Wild guess

Milwaukee Bucks blog voted for Jennings?

by tafkasam on Apr 15, 2010 8:21 PM PDT reply actions  

I think they voted for Tyreke actually.

But that’s a guess based on what Frank Madden has said in the past.

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Apr 15, 2010 9:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

But they could have abstained or voted for Curry

Nobody at SBN voted for Jennings. I know that much for certain.

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Apr 15, 2010 10:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

I have always had the utmost respect for Kings fans. They have always been intelligent about the game of basketball and passionate about their team. Many of these Kings fans still exist. But it seems that there is now a generation that knows not Thurmond, knows not Clifford Ray, knows not Franklin Mieuli, knows not Bill King. These are the posers that show up in threads here with no intention other than to inflame and perturb. And my bet is that these gentlemen perturb true Kings fans even more than they perturb us.

Did Morrow get ejected???

by DrManatee on Apr 15, 2010 9:08 PM PDT reply actions  

Why should Kings fans care about Warrior legends?

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Apr 15, 2010 9:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

And since you misquoted 214 (a big no-no in my book)

Here was the original statement in that thread:

Yeah, the story is so packed full of non-truths regarding Evans’ game. I started a well-intentioned and even response for their thread over there, but decided that there was no point or use.

I find it interesting that we (as a whole) have respect for Curry’s game – most of us would even love to acquire him for anyone not named Tyreke Evans. But the simple fact is that Evans was better than Curry when you review the entire season – and this award is given for the entire season. Perhaps that is why they feel the need to denegrate Evans over there – so that they can knock him down to Curry’s size.

It’s too bad that they just can’t enjoy the fact that they got a steal in Curry, and that in many other years he would have been the clear-cut choice for rookie of the year.

And 1 – I have always had the utmost respect for Dubs fans. They have always been intelligent about the game of basketball and passionate about their team. Many of these Dubs fans still exist. But it seems that there is now a generation that knows not Thurmond, knows not Clifford Ray, knows not Franklin Mieuli, knows not Bill King. These are the posers that show up in threads here (or at ARCO) with no intention other than to inflame and perturb. And my bet is that these morons perturb true Warriors fans even more than they perturb us.

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Apr 15, 2010 9:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

I’m not trying to call myself a “true” Warriors fan or anything, but I will say that all this needless hostility and a few truly homeristic posts (or maybe many, I haven’t really been reading much of them) on our website have been embarrassing. There are arguments to be made for Curry as the ROY, but Evans not being a PG is not one of them…so I don’t really know what to tell you other than I was shaking my head through the entire Feltbot post.

I will say though, that Crashbranman brings up an excellent point in the second comment, one I have yet to see an Evans supporter address when they complain about the Warriors system giving Curry an advantage.

by belilaugh on Apr 15, 2010 11:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't think the Warriors system has given Curry an advantage.

I think the real advantage for Tyreke is that he’s started all year long. I personally wish Curry had been given the keys and this debate could be settled on the court rather than on 2 blogs.

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Apr 15, 2010 11:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

You! :(

Hah. BTW Grant Napear was on KNBR tonight arguing for Tyreke with FP. I recommend you go listen to it on KNBR.com because honestly, it’s only time I’ve ever hear Napear sound like a halfway decent human being.

I do think everyone fails to point out both curry and Tyreke kind of took off when there respective back court mates got hurt. I do think Tyreke got ‘lucky’ with K-Mart going down early, though he deserves all the credit for capitalizing on it. When Monta started missing games, that’s when Curry started with all these 30-10 games. It’s probably a confidence thing. When they had to carry the team, they did, and then they saw they ‘could’. I remember I watched first couple kings games and he looked fairly timid. And speaking from Warriors perspective, Curry definitely deferred and was timid till January.

Perhaps if Monta got hurt in mid-November we’d be talking about a different race.

by tafkasam on Apr 15, 2010 11:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

Thanks for the tip tafka. I'll listen to it now.

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Apr 16, 2010 12:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

I would have to agree...

I think a lot of people like to be homers and stop at the very surface when it comes to looking at these two. To me I think both teams are lucky to have their relative Stars in the making.

There is a lot to say about being a 20.1 pts, 5.3 reb, 5.8 ast guy like tyreke. But there is also a good argument for a 17.5 pts, 4.5 reb, 5.9 ast guy with high percentages in FG%, FT% and 3pt%. So either way you look at it, I think it is going to be a tough call

by shooter1525 on Apr 15, 2010 11:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

Is there any other type of legend besides WARRIOR LEGENDS?

Truth: I was much too lazy to replace them with Kings greats. However, I stand by my thesis. Some Kings fans can act childishly with the intention to (oh no!) inflame and perturb. Just like us juvenile Warriors fans.

Did Morrow get ejected???

by DrManatee on Apr 15, 2010 11:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

Also...

I think you over-reacted to Atma’s posting over there. You know what they say about assuming, right?

Did Morrow get ejected???

by DrManatee on Apr 16, 2010 12:06 AM PDT up reply actions  

I over-reacted to what?

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Apr 16, 2010 12:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

Curry is amazing people, but I have to admit Tyreke is beyond amazing!

Tyreke deserves ROY. He has been solid all year long regardless of the situation, If Cyrry didn’t play well in the first two months, or know his “roll” it’s Nelson’s fault!

by Lops85 on Apr 15, 2010 10:34 PM PDT reply actions  

Tyreke is inefficient

so it’s hard for me to give it to him. He was also on the worse team (1 less win, huge point differential difference.)

by Reverend_Randy on Apr 17, 2010 9:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

Is this the Dleague version of this topic?

Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.

by Skeptic con Urquell on Apr 16, 2010 12:07 AM PDT reply actions   2 recs

LOL

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Apr 16, 2010 12:22 AM PDT up reply actions  

Now that's snark I can believe in!

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Apr 16, 2010 12:22 AM PDT up reply actions  

I was a Tyreke fan

until I saw him turn the ball over 4-5 times in a row trying to break his 20-5-5 record just barreling to the rim. Westphal eventually had to called a TIMEOUT because of tyreke’s selfish play. He was just forcing the issue and not playing team basketball. I also saw in one of the final games he hoisted up a final shot which didn’t need to be taken (the game was already decided) just to get his 20 for the game (he missed badly) And then the final Laker game he get’s T’d up and tossed….which made it practically impossible for the Kings to win that final game.
I remember Kings fans complaining about Curry staying in the game to get his Triple Double and how badly they looked upon it…..the thing with Curry is he had to stay in games because…well…we didnt have enough healthy players. When Tyreke got his triple double during their ROY night (which they are pushing to NO end) Grant and Jerry even talked about if coaches and others look down upon something like that…they knew what was going on.

Whats good for the goose is good for the golden goose no?

My icon is a testament to the Dubs ability to play defense.

by JR Repertoire on Apr 16, 2010 12:32 AM PDT reply actions  

Actually, Evans asked the coach to take him out because of his poor play against the Rockets.

Also, maybe you should watch the game against Minnesota, where the Kings were up big with about 6 minutes left in the fourth. Evans was sitting at 29 pts, 11ast, 9 boards. Westphal respected the game and sat him. He easily could have gone for 35+, 11+, 10+ with so much time remaining against the lowly Twolves. Evans’ didn’t care and was clearly fine with sitting.

by Webber's Ankle on Apr 16, 2010 9:22 AM PDT up reply actions  

the warriors had eight healthy players in the game against the clippers

and at the end of a 30 point win curry was in the game desperately trying to get another rebound, which his teammate had to let him get right before the buzzer

and i would (and have) criticize similar doings from tyreke

but lets not get all high and mighty with this “he had to play” crap

(and whose fault is that? If you have 6 healthy players (or 5) and don’t bother to field a legitimate roster? Did they find out all these guys were hurt 5 minutes before tipoff?)

by lchristmas on Apr 16, 2010 10:01 AM PDT up reply actions  

(and whose fault is that? If you have 6 healthy players (or 5) and don’t bother to field a legitimate roster? Did they find out all these guys were hurt 5 minutes before tipoff?)

-We traded for injured players, albeit before the injury bug went from disastrous to catastrophic; especially considering there were still plenty of question marks about how good the team could be healthy.
-Many of our players went down with season ending injury
-We spent much of the year with a player exemption, it’s not like we could have gone out to get more to fill in the roster, we already had 16, and then
-You’d be dumb and liable to get sued if you played injured players and they made it worse.

Either way I don’t get the hate about Tyreke (and Curry) going for stats. Deflecting the debate, but Blatche going for his (failed) trip double definitely takes the cake there.

Take my bags, not my top 3 pick!
"Winning is not enough. All others must lose." - Larry Ellison

by Badly Browned on Apr 16, 2010 10:13 AM PDT up reply actions  

Did you watch that game?

Curry was definitely going for it, but he didn’t get it because of a team mate. His last rebound was offensive and it managed to come right to him.

by Reverend_Randy on Apr 17, 2010 10:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

Agree 100%

This is probably the only thing thats writers will focus on when there deciding who to vote for ROY.

A death-defying, high-flying, three-hundred and sixty degree, SLAM DUNK!!!!

by LighTz707OuT on Apr 16, 2010 5:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

Thus

He didn’t include LeBron in his “I hate it when people compare…” list. LeBron’s statistics are a fair comparison, it would seem. However, if anybody thinks that Evans is going to have a LeBronesque impact on the NBA landscape, they need to have their head examined.

Trust me, learning english isn’t a waste of time. It is actually sort of useful.

-randolphforpresident

by Dubs fan in Boston on Apr 17, 2010 2:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

Doctor

I think Tyreke Evans is going to have a LeBron James impact at the NBA level. I need my head examined. Dubs fan in Boston said so….

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Apr 17, 2010 4:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

No.

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Apr 17, 2010 6:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

meh

Curry already is better player than next ROY
-that’s enough for me

from WTF to FTW!

by Lat We N Trash on Apr 16, 2010 8:10 AM PDT reply actions   1 recs

This is simply a product of people in sSacto not having anything to talk about other than

Tyreke, Baseball…..No,,,, hockey no……. football……no…… top college team in any sport,,,,, Nope….. Nothing. Zip,,, Nada,,, Bupkiss…… I am a huge Warrior fan and think Curry is ROY but what the heck, lets all throw our farmer’s a bone and let Reke win the award. Curry is going to get way more exposure and will be an all star before Reke so Curry will get his down the road.

8th alias and on probation
I promise to be kinder and gentler
Probation is a slippery slope

by StinkyFingers on Apr 16, 2010 8:29 AM PDT reply actions  

They have baseball

it’s the A’s and Giants. They have football – Raiders and Niners, and they even show Sharks games as well.

In all seriousness though, I hear the Rivercats are good?

My icon is a testament to the Dubs ability to play defense.

by JR Repertoire on Apr 16, 2010 10:03 AM PDT up reply actions  

Until they get called up to the A's and then traded in a few years

only to have the next crop of good young players on the Cats called up to the A’s, and then traded away for new talent to be put on to the Rivercats, who then get called up to replace the other guys traded….you see where this keeps going. But yah the Rivercats are a good minor league team to go watch, and Raley field is a nice ballpark.

by Gilo424 on Apr 16, 2010 1:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

In all seriousness though, I hear the Rivercats are good?

  They got a nice stadium with fireworks after the game in the warm valley night, so yeah it’s a great time out.

Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.

by Skeptic con Urquell on Apr 16, 2010 4:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

Except

I live in San Francisco, and happen to be a Kings fan. Sentiment like yours is quite ignorant.

Bé foréwarnéd: I am a mémbér of StR Groupthink méntality.

by CAB on Apr 16, 2010 5:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

Your assumption is erroneous. Cab has been a fan of the Kings for some time.

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Apr 17, 2010 10:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

Who bandwagons

A team that is 25-57? Btw what do you get by discrediting my fandom? If I asked if you became a fan of the Dubs after their 8th seeded upset, what would I get out of it? The sense that I possibly made you feel worse? You stay classy GSOM.

Bé foréwarnéd: I am a mémbér of StR Groupthink méntality.

by CAB on Apr 20, 2010 6:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

Right

Because people who are fans of one team clearly only live in that team’s city!

I don’t even live in Sac, and I’m a Kings fan. Kinda ruins your theory, right? What about those of us (myself included) who aren’t really passionate about any sports other than basketball? I couldn’t care less about baseball, so why would I care about an MLB team coming to Sac? Same goes for hockey. I enjoy football, but I don’t have a favorite team, though lately I’ve been a Packers fan because I know Aaron Rodgers so I love watching him play.

by Christina_J on Apr 16, 2010 9:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

This is simply a product of people in Sacto not having anything to talk about other than Tyreke,

Yes because nobody in Sac is an A’s or Giants fan.

Nope….. Nothing. Zip,,, Nada,,, Bupkiss…… I am a huge Warrior fan and think Curry is ROY but what the heck, lets all throw our farmer’s a bone and let Reke win the award.

Oh yes because everyone in Sacramento lives on a farm.

Curry is going to get way more exposure and will be an all star before Reke so Curry will get his down the road.

I would bet that Tyreke has a shot at the AS game before Curry does. And that’s because I think the Kings are better run, have a better chance at a future with their roster, and are more stable than sometimes it seems from the outside.

I love being a fan of a team stuck in a dumb cowtown like Sac. You would think in a big bad state like California they could have chosen a better capitol. Like Vallejo. Or Monterrey. Or Benicia. Or even San Jose. Oh wait…..

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Apr 16, 2010 11:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

Have a better chance at a future lol

this makes me laugs we got more wins then you(with 8 players) and you go and say you have a brighter future hahahahahaab what a joke!!! We will be better run when Ellison or someone else buys the team don’t forget that.

by buky on Apr 17, 2010 10:45 AM PDT up reply actions  

Aren't your owners the ones that want to move the team to Vegas?

I can’t speak for Deuschy McPrejudice, but we did win more games this year. And last year. Both years, we had to deal with a ton of health/drama issues. Meanwhile, you guys enjoyed a pretty healthy year (outside of Martin & Garcia, nobody missed more than 10 games). Please explain to me why the Kings are so much better off than the Warriors.

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by Dubs fan in Boston on Apr 17, 2010 2:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

Aren’t your owners the ones that want to move the team to Vegas?

Nope. The NBA won’t allow a team to move to Vegas until an arena is a lot better than the Thomas & Mack Center. (I’m surprised the NBA lets pre-season games be played there. But whatever.) That’s the major hurdle right now. Until that’s cleared, no NBA team is going to be Vegas regardless of anything else.

As far as the Maloofs, yeah, they like Vegas, but I doubt they are keen on moving a NBA team there. The Kings do make money when the team is successful, and that’s important to the Maloof’s. They’ve always viewed the Kings as a business, and not just a toy. So unless they think Vegas would become a profitable market (they might—might not), I doubt they move the Kings.

None of this even mentions that it would cost the Maloof’s a lot of money to move into Vegas. There would be the loan to the city of Sac that they owe to the city (it was taken by Jim Thomas the previous owner) to the tune of 70 million dollars to pay up. Than whatever costs to the NBA and of moving. Plus, the arena would have to be built. Do you expect Vegas to build a flashy new NBA arena right now?


Meanwhile, you guys enjoyed a pretty healthy year (outside of Martin & Garcia, nobody missed more than 10 games). Please explain to me why the Kings are so much better off than the Warriors.

Oh booohoo the Warriors had injuries. Someone give them a medal for making it through 82 games without calling up every player from the D League. Maybe they should win a title for having more injuries to their players than anyone else.

As to the winning difference, winning one more game does not necessarily make the Warriors a ton better. If anything, neither team really separated itself from each other. The Kings had a better 1st half; Warriors the better 2nd half. I’m not sure which is better given that the Warriors had their more favorable part of their schedule in the 2nd half vs the 1st half, and vice versa for the Kings. Bad teams, which the Warriors & Kings are, tend to do well when their schedules allow for such.

Please explain to me why the Kings are so much better off than the Warriors.

A high draft pick, a stable coaching situation (at the moment), better front office & ownership (I’ll note that Ellison could change things, but not likely for next season or the season after that—there is too much of a mess in Oakland for anyone to clean up quickly), and a talented group of young players who are going to improve and get better.

I wouldn’t bet against the Warriors getting better in the future. But I would bet against a timetable that included a significant turnaround happening in the next 2 seasons. I would not do so with regards to the Kings. Is that my bias? Sure. I’m biased. Who isn’t? But I’ve learned to bet against any team owned by Chris Cohan, and rarely have i been wrong in that assessment. Even if Ellison takes over by July or August, which would be pretty quickly, there is still next season that his ownership would be affected by decisions made by Riley and Nelson during the draft. (The draft is pretty important, yes?) Ellison taking over the Warriors isn’t the same thing as Prokhorov taking over the Nets. There are a lot of differences there.

Having said that, there should be optimism if Ellison is indeed the owner. But I would give him time before he puts the full stamp of his ownership on the Warriors. Because everything the Kings need to be successful is already in place. That isn’t true for the Warriors. And as such I give the Kings an advantage that the Warriors don’t have at the moment.

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by pookeyguru on Apr 17, 2010 5:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ellison is a winner and he will do everything(if he buys) to win it all.
Ellison taking over the Warriors isn’t the same thing as Prokhorov taking over the Nets. There are a lot of differences there.

I agree Ellison has much more money.

A high draft pick, a stable coaching situation (at the moment), better front office & ownership (I’ll note that Ellison could change things, but not likely for next season or the season after that—there is too much of a mess in Oakland for anyone to clean up quickly), and a talented group of young players who are going to improve and get better.

We also will have a high draft pick so I really don’t get your point. Are you an insider from gsom front office that you can say it’s too much of a mess? Talented group of young players who are going to improve and get better. Hmm…ask anyone in the league wich team has more potential and very few of them will say Kings. This is why:
Udrih-Curry (Curry)
Evans-Ellis (Evans)
Casspi-Azubuike(Azubuike)
Landry-Randolph(I would say it’s a tie but Randolph will improve while Landry is what it is)
Thompson-Biedrins(Thompson but if Biedrins returns to his old self he will be much more efficient then Thompson )
Bench
Garcia-Morrow(Morrow)
Maggette-Nocioni(Maggette)
Wright-Hawes(Wright just look at his PER)
Green-Williams(Williams)
Brockman-Turiaf(Turiaf)
All in all first units are quite close while our bench is much better

by buky on Apr 17, 2010 6:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

I forgot to add that the Kings have cap room this summer

Where as the Warriors don’t. Whether the Kings use that cap room is another matter of opinion, but certainly right now.

As far as Ellison having more net worth, who is disputing that? But having cap room is not the same thing as having more net worth. Ellison can buy whatever he wants for the Warriors, but with Ellis, Biedrins and Maggette as the highest paid players on the roster it’s not a good situation.

As far as your roster assessment, that’s a matter of opinion. I don’t expect Warriors fans to agree with Kings fans or vice versa. Having said that, the only player on the Warriors roster I actually would covet is Curry. Other than Curry I’d think about Biedrins and that’s about it. Everybody else the Warriors could have.

And I know of noone who would rather have Larry Riley than Geoff Petrie. So, that is what it is. (I won’t argue the Nellie vs PW point. That’s pointless and a matter of opinion. I’m not a fan of Nellie though FWIW.)

So……yeah.

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by pookeyguru on Apr 17, 2010 7:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

The cap room is definitely a moot point because Sacramento isn’t much of a destination, nor is the talent that tantalizing. It’s not like OKC where Wade or Bosh could go play with Durant and get a ring. It’s going to play with the 20 year old ballhog named Tyreke and The Noce.

by Reverend_Randy on Apr 17, 2010 10:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

The cap room is definitely a moot point because Sacramento isn’t much of a destination, nor is the talent that tantalizing. It’s not like OKC where Wade or Bosh could go play with Durant and get a ring. It’s going to play with the 20 year old ballhog named Tyreke and The Noce.

Says you. Do I care what you think? Not a jot or a tittle.

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by pookeyguru on Apr 17, 2010 10:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

OKC

Is a more tantalizing destination than Sac? I can understand both being less than ideal, but the notion that Tyreke being a ballhog and an inferior player to Durant? C’mon. Reverend Randy, your a complete F’ing tool. Seriously, keep sucking on your GSOM nuts. You’ve got insecurity written all over yourself. Grow up and get over yourself.

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by CAB on Apr 21, 2010 1:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

the notion that Tyreke being a ballhog and an inferior player to Durant?

 Haha, Even without being a ballhog it’s not likely he’ll be equal to Durant? Durant is quite good if you don’t know it?

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by Skeptic con Urquell on Apr 21, 2010 2:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

Let's see...

LeBron? Reke’s been compared favorably to him.
Durant? Reke’s supposedly better than him.

Yep, Kings fans are officially off the deep end in their love of Tyreke Evans. See, us Warriors fans know better. After years of failure and lofty expectations for our youngsters, we’ve learned not to believe that they’re going to be better than the NBA’s best.

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by Dubs fan in Boston on Apr 21, 2010 3:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

After years of failure and lofty expectations for our youngsters, we’ve learned not to believe that they’re going to be better than the NBA’s best.

except Stef Curr-bury is gonna be better than Stockton, Nash and Magic combined?

Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.

by Skeptic con Urquell on Apr 21, 2010 11:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

Oh booohoo the Warriors had injuries. Someone give them a medal for making it through 82 games without calling up every player from the D League. Maybe they should win a title for having more injuries to their players than anyone else.

Your derision misses the mark. Newsflash: We were talking about projections. Think about the Spurs for a second. In 1996/1997, they were a good team, but David Robinson got injured early, and they missed the playoffs. If you were to project their future performance, would you:

A. Use solely their record last year and say “boohoo, you want a medal for your star player for getting injured?”? No.
B. Say: “Well, you guys have been pretty good, and you’re getting a healthy Robinson back next year, so you’re likely going to perform like in previous years, let’s throw this one out.”

Now, the Warriors do not have a player of that calibler, nor are there any Tim Duncans in the draft this year. But the point still stands: The Warriors were injured this year, a lot. They will likely not be nearly as injured next year, and thus their performance will improve, irrespective of other natural improvements. Likewise, the Kings will probably have more player injuries next year and their performance will likely suffer for it.

High draft pick? Check.
“Stable coaching situation (at the moment)?” Check, Nellie is here (for the moment).
better front office & ownership? Sure, you guys have us there… but I’m talking about the existing talent on the team. Front office and ownership can only help/hurt personnel moves. Without any personnel moves, we’re better than off you. And what was your last personnel move? Moving Kevin Martin for 75 cents on the dollar because you were forced? Good job.

Ahh, yes, the Chris Cohan card. It’s the ever present “I can’t talk about personnel because yours blows ours out of the water, so I’ll resort to making fun of your owner for the last time I ever can.” Good luck with that.

I’ll take the players and assets we have on the Warriors over the players and assets you have on the Kings any day of the week. Enjoy.

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by Dubs fan in Boston on Apr 19, 2010 5:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

And I'll take the Kings players and assets any day of the week over the Warriors.

Enjoyment indeed!

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by pookeyguru on Apr 19, 2010 6:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

everything the Kings need to be successful is already in place.?

  unless they get Wall or big Cuz what is gonna make the Kings much better next year than this year? Did they have more injuries than the Warriors? The Warriors seem to have some improvement to look forward to just by having everyone healthy, what is Sacramento’s hope?

Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.

by Skeptic con Urquell on Apr 19, 2010 10:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

Actually I want Derrick Favors. But I tend to be alone in that regard. So, yeah.

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by pookeyguru on Apr 19, 2010 11:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

You would think in a big bad state like California they could have chosen a better capitol. Like Vallejo. Or Monterrey. Or Benicia. Or even San Jose.

It was all about the rivers and the transportation issue. Sacto was ideally suited for the purpose in those days. Today LA would probably be the best place but they got the Lakers and don’t need the Kings.

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by Skeptic con Urquell on Apr 19, 2010 10:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

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