BREAKING NEWS: Golden State Warriors win coin flip against Washington Wizards for 2010 NBA Draft Lottery positioning
by Atma Brother ONE on Apr 16, 2010 2:05 PM PDT
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GSoM friend Matt Steinmetz tweets:
Warriors win coin toss with Wizards, will be slotted fourth going into next month's draft lottery
I'll pass the mic to longtime GSoM community member Sleepy Freud for what this means:
From that realGM site, here are the differences between the 4th and 5th seed - i.e. what we gained by winning today's epic coin toss:
1st: 10.4% to 10.3%
2nd: 11.2% to 11.1%
3rd: 12.0% to 12.0%
4th: 9.9% to 0.0%
5th: 35.1% to 26.1%
6th: 16.0% to 36.0%
7th: 1.2% to 8.4%
8th: 0.0% to 0.4%Overall chances at a Top 4 pick:
Warriors 47.7%
Wizards 29.1%Overall chances at a Top 5 pick:
Warriors 82.8%
Wizards 55.2%
EPIC.
There's really no other way to describe this.
Looking over the Wikipedia article on the NBA Draft Lottery this means that the Warriors can draft no lower than the 7th spot in the 2010 NBA Lottery.
The 7th spot ain't so bad either. Remember the Warriors had the 7th pick in the draft last time around and wound up with this guy:
2009-2010 NBA Rookie of the Year: The case for Stephen Curry vs Brandon Jennings + Tyreke Evans
More thoughts and discussion in kenntoe's Fanshot ZOMG We Won the Flip?!
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just so everyone is clear, W's only get 1 more lottery pick than Wiz, but wiz can fall to 8th and we can only fall to 7th
virtually same odds as wiz to get a top 3 pick, but at least we can do no worse than 7th a lucky number for W’s so far.
Finally something goes our way
Pray the lotto balls do too!
Nah....
Pretty sure david stern is the one picking those, so you know he’ll keep picking a new ball until the warriors get the 7th pick
I wouldve thought that ties records would be determined by the season series, in which we lost to the wizards
Love Warriors, Hate Cohan! - Sell the team! Save us Mr. Ellison!
by JustSomeName on Apr 16, 2010 2:13 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
I guess that just encourages more tanking
and intentional losing
by IQofaWarrior on Apr 16, 2010 2:14 PM PDT up reply actions
Well, we lost the season series to the Wizards anyways. :)
Take my bags, not my top 3 pick!
"Winning is not enough. All others must lose." - Larry Ellison
by Badly Browned on Apr 16, 2010 2:35 PM PDT up reply actions
Huge for our chances of landing a top 5 pick.
Thank you, Chris Cohan, for finally doing the right thing.
About 80%. That’s hugish.
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on Apr 16, 2010 6:10 PM PDT up reply actions
YES
OMFG YES. Derrick Favors/Evan Turner!
The person who writes for fools is always sure of a large audience.
It's funny cause I hear there was no coin involved.
It had something to do with a half cut basketball. I’m not kidding.
"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."
Yeah, it was a ping ping boll in a cut basketball I'm told
Take my bags, not my top 3 pick!
"Winning is not enough. All others must lose." - Larry Ellison
by Badly Browned on Apr 16, 2010 2:40 PM PDT up reply actions
nah
they just go HERE and flip coin virtually
from WTF to FTW!
by Lat We N Trash on Apr 16, 2010 2:40 PM PDT up reply actions
They use an iphone app
Take my bags, not my top 3 pick!
"Winning is not enough. All others must lose." - Larry Ellison
by Badly Browned on Apr 16, 2010 2:41 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm changing my my toon on Cousins
I seen some Kentucky Highlights and came away impressed by his strength and passing ability for a guy his size. Can you imagine the screens he would set and ways Steph Curry could find him down low. He would help Randolph and Wright out too because he’s a space eater that requires other team to put a body on him
Best news in a long time.
Golden State Worriers: Angst & Analysis
D'oh!
I got passed the mic and flubbed my line!
Those real gm numbers I cited must be off, because the numbers don’t add up to 100%
What makes it a bit complicated to figure out now is that the listed odds of the 4th and 5th teams getting the 4th-8th picks are based on the two teams not splitting the lotto tickets. Because the Wiz get more lotto tickets than a “normal” #5 seed, they have a slightly higher chance of leapfrogging us; and consequently our chances of getting knocked down a notch are slightly higher than listed.
Alas, I’m just a humble graphic designer, not good enough at math to figure out how much “slightly higher” is. Do any of our resident statistical/math whizzes wanna take a stab at this?
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on Apr 16, 2010 2:48 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
We have an 80.6% chance of staying in the top 5, while the Wizards have a 57.3% chance. The big difference is in our chances of getting into the lottery. Naturally, since we both have to “win” the lottery, and we have practically the same odds, the numbers work out about equally: 33.7% for us, 33.4% for them. In a weird statistical quirk, we actually have a better chance of ending up in the #5 spot than they do (37.4% to 23.8%). Our complete odds are:
1) 10.4%
2) 11.2%
3) 12.1%
4) 9.9%
5) 37.4%
6) 17.9%
7) 1.5%
I rounded to a tenth of a percent, so the numbers don’t add up perfectly to 100%, but close enough.
Awesome, thanks! Can you make the same list for the Wiz (i.e. us, had we lost the toss?)
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on Apr 18, 2010 6:55 PM PDT up reply actions
Cool! I may have to bake up some pie charts now. Is there a place where I can find the complete list of current odds, updated to reflect all the tie-breaks (Ws over Wiz, Sixers over Pistons, Clips over Jazz)?
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on Apr 18, 2010 8:09 PM PDT up reply actions
I wrote a program to calculate the probabilities, so it’s not on the internet – I’ll make up a chart and host it somewhere.
You rule. Thnx.
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on Apr 18, 2010 8:27 PM PDT up reply actions
Full size here: http://img194.imageshack.us/img194/2482/draftlottery.png
The zeros with no decimals means it’s actually zero, ie there’s no way for New Jersey to fall past the 4th spot because there are only three spots chosen by lottery. The zeros with decimals mean there is some probability, but it’s below the three decimal threshold – it’s theoretically possible for, say, New Orleans to end up in the 14th spot, but that would require all three of the teams below them to move up, which is obviously very unlikely.
by genesic on Apr 18, 2010 9:18 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
comment of the day
Aye, win and you may lose your chance at a transformative superstar. Lose, and you might have your combination called first, at least a one in six chance. And writing on your blogs, many years from now, would you be willin’ to trade ALL the days, from this day to that, for one chance, just one chance, to come back here and tell our enemies that they may take our Wall but they’ll never take… OUR VICTORY OVER THE PACERS
http://www.bulletsforever.com/2010/4/16/1426637/warriors-win-coin-toss-with#
from WTF to FTW!
by Lat We N Trash on Apr 16, 2010 2:50 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
You don't flip a coin for the first 3 picks
Take my bags, not my top 3 pick!
"Winning is not enough. All others must lose." - Larry Ellison
by Badly Browned on Apr 16, 2010 3:09 PM PDT up reply actions
Those they could have lost the last game for a better chance at a top 3 pick to doubt
Take my bags, not my top 3 pick!
"Winning is not enough. All others must lose." - Larry Ellison
by Badly Browned on Apr 16, 2010 3:09 PM PDT up reply actions
Awww.
Party poop.
We could also not have been the most injured team in NBA history, and finished near New Orleans and Memphis in the #10-14 netherworld.
Or, as the team with only the 9th worst “pythagorean” record, we could have had a W-L record more in keeping with our point differential.
All in all … being the 4th seed / coin-flip-winner is pretty excellent.
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on Apr 16, 2010 3:12 PM PDT up reply actions
They could have lost the last game and had a coin flip for a chance at a top 3 pick.
I’m pretty sure I coulda guided them to the #2 position after we were eliminated? :>)
Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Apr 16, 2010 3:58 PM PDT up reply actions
ESPN lotto machine is updated to reflect the toss…
DeMarcus Cousins
DeMarcus Cousins
Evan Turner
Wes Johnson
Wes Johnson
My first five spins.
There will be no extra point!
Me like
Take my bags, not my top 3 pick!
"Winning is not enough. All others must lose." - Larry Ellison
by Badly Browned on Apr 16, 2010 3:07 PM PDT up reply actions
Draft Order
John Wall → Evan Turner → DeMarcus Cousiins → Derrick Favors → Wesley Johnson
all are good
Johnson may be better than a lot of people think
by tjmax on Apr 16, 2010 3:29 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
i think we maybe too focused on need and not the best player available which could be Johnson. Can you immagine the thought of curry running with Ellis, Johnson and Randolph. What a show that would be.
Curry
Ellis
Johnson
Randolph
You – really who cares who’s in there. I could win with that line up. Three good ball handlers. 2 great passer, 2 decent passers. 2 great 3pt shooters, 3 great slashers. man. these guys would put on a show like none else.
you?
You could win with that team, only if you were the best defender ever on the face of the earth. That lineup would get roasted night after night.
Johnson’s supposed to be a very good defender, but basically I agree.
Now replace Monta in that lineup with Iguodala, and you start to have a team with some defensive (and plus-rebounding) potential.
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on Apr 17, 2010 7:18 AM PDT up reply actions
We don't know how Johnson is as a defender
He projects well physically and seems to have good energy there, but playing in Syracuse’s zone teaches you very little about how a guy will be as a man-to-man defender.
I’m hopeful, but we don’t know much yet.
I agree, hence “supposed to be.”
His length, wingspan, athleticism and college numbers —
35 minutes
6.4 defensive rebs.
1.7 steals
1.8 blocks
2.1 fouls
— are pretty promising, though. I’d guess that right out of the gate he’d be an improvement defensively over what we have at SF.
Not saying I’d pick him above #5, just sayin’…
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on Apr 17, 2010 9:13 AM PDT up reply actions
I’d guess that right out of the gate he’d be an improvement defensively over what we have at SF.
I think this is pretty much a given. It can’t really get any worse than the options we currently have – Johnson’s length and athleticism alone are more than anything we have at the moment….
by Missing Barry on Apr 18, 2010 9:35 PM PDT up reply actions
Wall should be the first option. He can play alongside Steph Curry and play off the ball, much like Dwyane Wade does.
He's not Wade.
In fact, there’s a much higher chance that Curry will have to move to the off-guard, and according to analyst David Thorpe, the only way Curry would never reach his ultimate potential of being #1 in his draft class is if ‘the warriors draft John Wall and move Curry over to [the off-guard]’. Bad idea.
He’s not Wade
I never said he was, but Wall has the athleticism, size, scoring ability, and is a good distributor, much like Wade. I’m saying he’s similar to Wade, he’s not Wade. Can you imagine a Wall and Curry backcourt? That would be very dominate; Wall and Curry in transition would be amazing, and we wouldn’t get mismatched most of the time. I don’t see what problem is with a Wall/Curry backcourt, that would be great together.
Of course, they would be ‘great together’. But Wall, as a PG, is really, skill-wise a limited PG, and would really flip the whole situation upside-down.
So, we already have Nash, so who do we add? brandon roy or Dwayne Wade?
There’s a problem. Wade is ball dominant, and this Wade needs to play the PG to achieve his ultimate potential, because other than that, his offensive game is very limited.
Oh wait, Nash can also drop 20-30 a night! nice, let’s put Nash out of his position so Wade can play the point…who cares if Nash doesn’t turn out to be the best player in the draft, according to David Thorpe…let’s put them together!
No thanks.
this Wade needs to play the PG to achieve his ultimate potential, because other than that, his offensive game is very limited.
PG’s have the skills to play wing, the problem comes when you get wings trying to play PG. Being able to distribute is a good thing – something you can’t have too much of, only too little.
by Missing Barry on Apr 18, 2010 9:34 PM PDT up reply actions
Bad idea.
but if that’s true it would mean we picked the top player in two consecutive drafts? If we don’t pick Wall could we still say that?
Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Apr 16, 2010 6:13 PM PDT up reply actions
I have a feeling he’ll turn our better than Wall.
I had a feeling once too but it was wrong so I went back to logic.
Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Apr 16, 2010 6:49 PM PDT up reply actions
Turner is not better than Wall
A swingman prospect who probably will not be a #1 scorer for a conference finals or better team (though he does alot well and I like him as the clear #2 player) is in no way ahead of one of the best PG prospects in the last decade.
Wall plays a more important position where elite or close to elite quality is harder to find and is better for his position right now than Turner is for his.
You don’t think a great SF makes a huge difference on a team? Granted, on our team, we have a great PG, so a great SF is less important. But on many times, a great SF makes an enormous difference. Look at what Young Fella’ did for the Bobcats?
Go Andris's free throw shooting!
Got them the 7 seed? Stars, its about stars.
go rowand
by lincypoo i wuv u on Apr 18, 2010 4:13 AM PDT up reply actions
Seems to me SG and SF are the most easily replaceable positions out there. There are lots of useful wings. PG’s and big men? Less so (especially big men).
by Missing Barry on Apr 18, 2010 9:37 PM PDT up reply actions
I think a SF that can play defense, has a high basketball IQ and is very athletic may be pretty hard to find. I don’t think that is easily replaceable.
Go Andris's free throw shooting!
I think aSFplayer that can play defense, has a high basketball IQ and is very athletic may be pretty hard to find.
Positional scarcity, I maintain that wings have the highest “replacement level” (as we’d say in baseball) of all the positiions….
For instance, just look at our success in finding guys like Morrow, Buike, Reggie Williams….sure, finding the exact skillset you’re looking for might not be easy, but finding a wing that can be productive in some form, in general, isn’t that tough.
by Missing Barry on Apr 20, 2010 7:43 AM PDT up reply actions
If we get the 1st pick
take Wall and trade him, or trade down for Turner.
by Reverend_Randy on Apr 16, 2010 4:42 PM PDT up reply actions
I would even trade down for Favors or Cousins. Maybe we can get that team to take Monta Ellis!
The Ultimate Opportunist
by Rated-R Superstar on Apr 16, 2010 5:14 PM PDT up reply actions
Unless those two guys end up being rated pretty close to Wall, I don’t see how that’s justifiable. As of right now, they don’t seem to be in his class.
by Missing Barry on Apr 18, 2010 9:38 PM PDT up reply actions
Pick Wall. Trade Monta for Troy Murphy.
Curry 36 / Wall 12
Williams 16 / Morrow 16 / Wall 16
Maggette 24 / Azubuike 20 / Morrow 4
Randolph 22 / Wright 18 / Murphy 8
Biedrins 24 / Turiaf 12 / Randolph 12
Or something…
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on Apr 16, 2010 6:08 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Curry 36 / Wall 12 Williams 16 / Morrow 16 / Wall 16 Maggette 24 / Azubuike 20 / Morrow 4 Randolph 22 / Wright 18 / Murphy 8 Biedrins 24 / Turiaf 12 / Randolph 12 Or something…
trouble with that is we gave up Montay for 8 minutes of 3rd string PF?
Montay would probably be more useful as a SF than having Murp as a back up :>)
If we actually got Wall we should play him awhile and see if he’s better than Curr-bury and if so trade Montay and Curr-bury for a bigger 2 guard and another big guy?
If Stef is all he’s hyped up to be we should be able to get DHo for him or at least DLee?
and Montay plus maybe wright ? might bring us a bigger 2 guard?
but first I’d want to see if Wall actually bigger than Stef or does he just look more powerful, and is Wall possibly big enough to play the 2 better than anyone we could get for Montay and Wright?
Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Apr 16, 2010 6:26 PM PDT up reply actions
Skeptic, my good man … have you been drinking again?
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on Apr 16, 2010 6:33 PM PDT up reply actions
Skeptic, my good man … have you been drinking again?
just a little dogfish head 90min ipa , but what did I miss? Is Murph getting more minutes than I noted? Is Montay that bad that he could not bring a better player especially packaged with BrokenWing?
Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Apr 16, 2010 6:47 PM PDT up reply actions
I was talking more about the strange indents. ;-)
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on Apr 16, 2010 6:51 PM PDT up reply actions
Dogfish 90…
yeah, tastes better than it’s name.
Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Apr 19, 2010 2:27 PM PDT up reply actions
I will say, as much as I love their IPA’s (60 and 90, have not tried the 120), I haven’t liked any of their other beers that I’ve tried all that much.
by Missing Barry on Apr 20, 2010 7:54 AM PDT up reply actions
I haven’t liked any of their other beers that I’ve tried all that much.
I’ve only tried the 90, I thought it was pretty good but Pliny is still my fav .
Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Apr 20, 2010 10:54 AM PDT up reply actions
Russian River is a pretty quality operation, too bad we don’t really get any of that stuff out here on the East Coast.
by Missing Barry on Apr 20, 2010 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions
Russian River is a pretty quality operation, too bad we don’t really get any of that stuff out here on the East Coast.
They must not make much, I can’t even buy Pliny here in Santa Cruz, I have to get it at Sacto when I visit my son.
Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Apr 20, 2010 3:31 PM PDT up reply actions
Rec’d. Thanks for the new dimension of adding in mpg distribution that I will now copy with no reference and no intention to be original.
Haha, feel free.
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on Apr 16, 2010 6:34 PM PDT up reply actions
I can't believe you're taking credit for my invention
Trust me, learning english isn’t a waste of time. It is actually sort of useful.
-randolphforpresident
by Dubs fan in Boston on Apr 20, 2010 2:50 PM PDT up reply actions
His name is OG.
"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."
I'm gonna guess...
3, 3, 2, 5, 5?
"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."
We should have been 3rd worst !!!!
Whatever Sacramento gets, that should have been us….If they get Turner or Cousins and we don’t, we got no one to blame by ourselves
.If they get Turner or Cousins and we don’t, we got no one to blame by ourselves
Haha, Leave me out of “ourselves”, I was advocating trying for #2 all the way.
In reality we only got nellie to blame as usual, he’s got the Cwebb curse still firmly attached to his belly.
Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Apr 16, 2010 4:02 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah Right
Because even if we lost that last game, as you advocate, you are still assuming we win the toss against Sacramento….
What else does your crystal ball tell you?
Funny you say whatever Sacramento gets we should because we could still end up with the 1st pick and they with the 6th. Do you need a definition of lottery spelled out for you?
YEA RIGHTTT
Do you need a definition of PROBABILITY speled out for you ?
What makes you say we “should have” Sacramento’s pick? They sucked a little worse than we did, both in terms of record and in terms of points scored / points against. The system is designed to reward the teams that suck the worst. The Kings richly deserved their #3 slot. We’re lucky we didn’t fall to #9, which is where we’d be expected to pick based solely on point differential.
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on Apr 16, 2010 6:00 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, damn that competitive nature of theirs! Who do they think they are trying to win like that? And for what? Trying to reinforce their resumes so they may get a chance play for a team next season? Shame on them. Gee, I hope my sarcasm got through.
by ChronicMasticator on Apr 16, 2010 4:01 PM PDT reply actions
Who do they think they are trying to win like that?
That’s what I’ve been asking myself. As usual, this franchise manages to mess things up – we had the chance to get a much, much higher pick than we deserved, so we go out and play ourselves out of the #3 spot. Ugh.
by Missing Barry on Apr 18, 2010 9:41 PM PDT up reply actions
And for what? Trying to reinforce their resumes so they may get a chance play for a team next season?
Maybe their new teams will thank them for messing us up? I guess hurt the Warriors chance=help the other teams chances so perhaps they’ll end up somewhere that can appreciate the results?
Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Apr 16, 2010 4:05 PM PDT reply actions
For Skeptic and all skeptics . . .
Let’s say Nellie entertained the idea of tanking. (Which he’s admited to doing a time or two) How would he do it? It’s not like the Dubs have a plethera of scrub players just taking up space on the bench. Those scrubs (Tolliver, Hunter, George) were already getting plenty of playing time. By necessity. He can’t pull those players aside and tell them to put it in cruise control. That’s how you lose credibility with your team. Whether you like it or not, he is under contract for next season and my have to coach these very same players.
by ChronicMasticator on Apr 16, 2010 4:46 PM PDT up reply actions
Whether you like it or not, he is under contract for next season and my have to coach these very same players.
So you are saying you don’t think these players are smart enough to understand which games are a positive win and which games are a negative win? All athletes are not inherently stupid, they mostly just don’t get good advice from all the “yes” men that surround them .
Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Apr 16, 2010 6:31 PM PDT up reply actions
There’s too much pride in these players to wanna lose. Maybe the reason why the Warriors have sucked for the last 800 years is because they didn’t have the players who are willing to pull together as a team and play inspired basketball. We saw that with the “We Believe” team but there were certain players that weren’t always in control of their emotions. I would like to see the Dubs build a team that plays as one without any of those issues.
by ChronicMasticator on Apr 16, 2010 8:45 PM PDT up reply actions
I would like to see the Dubs build a team that plays as one without any of those issues.
I’d rather see them build a team of badboyz that’s better than everyone else. Issues are just the frosting on the cake of life.
Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Apr 16, 2010 10:55 PM PDT up reply actions
Good
Finally, we needed this coin flip, hopefully we get lucky and end up with #2 pick. I hope we either get Turner or Cousins maybe Favors if both those two guys are drafted ahead of us. I like Wesley Johnson potential more then Derrick Favors, I feel he will complement Curry’s game and play off the ball which is what we need from our SG. He is a catch and shoot player, his inside game needs to improve as well as his perimeter defense but his potential is higher then Favors. I don’t think Favors would be a better player then what we got in AR, why draft a guy similar or less talented then a player we already got. Either draft Turner, Cousins or Johnson.
Waaaarriors
we draft a guy similar or less talented than a player we already got
because he’s BPA, and if you have a depth problem like we have had, you do too
Wes Johnson is 22, Favors is 18.
I’d say Favors has more potential based on age. But if you watched both play this season, I think it was obvious who could exponentially expand their game.
"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."
I like Wesley Johnson potential more then Derrick Favors, I feel he will complement Curry’s game and play off the ball which is what we need from our SG. He is a catch and shoot player, his inside game needs to improve as well as his perimeter defense but his potential is higher then Favors.
Hate to break this to you, but…Favors is 18 and Johnson is 22.
Please convince me, that in some or any way Favors has less upside than Johnson.
Sure
22 years old is still young and has shown his potential very well coached like Shane Battier when he was in duke. Favors is very young, a project who could easily turn into a bust. There are plenty of question marks in his game. Wes got that jumper thats clear, he still needs an inside game but he clearly is ready to step from day one.
Waaaarriors
There are plenty of question marks in his game.
Really? What’s a question mark about him? The only real ‘question’ about his game is that nobody knows when he is going to turn into the polished ‘Al Horford’ type of player that he has the potential to become.
12 pts, 8 rebs per game, no question marks?
go rowand
by lincypoo i wuv u on Apr 18, 2010 4:16 AM PDT up reply actions
22 years old isn't all that young
with 4 year college players, you’re mostly looking at a complete package. WJ should probably be able to make an impact in the NBA very quickly, but his upside is much lower than someone like Favors who is younger and more athletic than him
by Reverend_Randy on Apr 16, 2010 11:16 PM PDT up reply actions
I hate to break it to people,
Derrick Favors is going to be a beast!! There’s your newsflash!
by SmittytheCutman on Apr 16, 2010 4:49 PM PDT reply actions
The Wiz have a 0% shot at the #4 pick. We have a 9.9% shot at it.
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on Apr 16, 2010 6:02 PM PDT up reply actions
The Wiz have a 0% shot at the #4 pick. We have a 9.9% shot at it.
Since the lotto only determines the top three picks it seems like our odds of getting 4th would be greater than our odds of getting anything else since we already have 4th unless a lower team hits one of the top three spots? and since the teams below us have less lotto balls they are not as likely to leapfrog us as we are to stay at 4th or possibly get higher?
Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Apr 16, 2010 6:39 PM PDT up reply actions
we already have 4th unless a lower team hits one of the top three spots?
Correct. Well, unless another team or we hit one of the top 3 spots. And the total chances of that happening are 90%. Can you remember a time when the three worst teams picked 1st, 2nd and 3rd?
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on Apr 16, 2010 6:46 PM PDT up reply actions
unless another team or we hit one of the top 3 spots. And the total chances of that happening are 90%.
looking at it that way we really , really should have gone for that 3rd spot so we’d only be likely to drop to 4th?
Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Apr 16, 2010 6:53 PM PDT up reply actions
If ifs and buts were candy and nuts…
Yeah, 4th is better than 5th assuming we like one of the two bigs (Kuz and Fav) and assuming the teams picking ahead of us like them too. All it takes is one wildcard pick (see: Jonny Flynn, Minnesota) to throw the expected order off. Even picking #5, I wouldn’t be surprised if one of the guys we really coveted fell to us.
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on Apr 16, 2010 7:18 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm so glad David Kahn is picking before us again.
Hey Davie, Cole Aldrich is going to be a beast with the potential of a younger, more athletic Wilt Chamberlin!
"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."
0% chance of reaching that potential, but its there right?
go rowand
by lincypoo i wuv u on Apr 18, 2010 4:17 AM PDT up reply actions
So the chances of the worst three teams getting the top 3 is only 10%? That’s not very high. In a way, that makes me glad we’re not one of the worst three teams. We could get 4th or 5th even if, and we’d have a worse shot at Curry getting ROY.
Go Andris's free throw shooting!
So the chances of the worst three teams getting the top 3 is only 10%?
The chances of all three of them getting in the top 3 is only 10%.
The chances of at least one of them getting in the top 3 is 92%.
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on Apr 16, 2010 9:52 PM PDT up reply actions
Yes, I didn’t say that clearly. I know what was meant. I’m bad at math, but I’m not [i]that[/i] bad.
Go Andris's free throw shooting!
Busy on another website lately.
That’s just unacceptable.
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by Fantasy Junkie on Apr 16, 2010 11:39 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
Seriously
Fire him.
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by Dubs fan in Boston on Apr 20, 2010 2:53 PM PDT up reply actions
We could get 4th or 5th even if, and we’d have a worse shot at Curry getting ROY.
Curr-bury and the draft are not connected. He could get ROY if we were the last team or the championship team.
Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Apr 16, 2010 10:59 PM PDT up reply actions
On a side note, I can't wait to see Barnes play for me Heels
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Since this is a "Family Show" I shall reserve my comments for what I think of Duke
One of the few to have appreciated Cap'n Jax. Do well in NC, get that 8th seed!
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Seth Curry, man! Seth!
is that like Giambi, man ! Jeremy?
Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Apr 16, 2010 6:55 PM PDT up reply actions
No
Imagine if Steph had a body like a skeleton and instead of a quick crossover, had a killer crossover.
Throw that in with a way lower turnover % than Steph, make him about 5 pounds lighter, and half-an-inch shorter, and put him back in college.
Dude...
He is. Most people in Charlotte say he’s a better passer and Steph is a better inside finisher/scorer. but Nolan Smith of Duke said that it’s extremely hard to guard Seth. I’m telling you, Seth is a clone of Steph. And they’re both clones of Dell. Sort of…
Seth is a clone of Steph. And they’re both clones of Dell. Sort of…
well, Dell was not that good so I hope Stef turns out better?
Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Apr 16, 2010 11:03 PM PDT up reply actions
I saw Seth when he played at Liberty
He wasn’t as good as Reggie, to be honest. Maybe playing for a few years in a big-time program will help him out though. Only reason he really did all that well was because it’s the Big South, which is kind of a joke.
by ReggieFan2010 on Apr 17, 2010 4:25 AM PDT up reply actions
about 5 pounds lighter, and half-an-inch shorter,
that’s going the wrong way. We need a Stef that 3 inches taller and 30 pounds heavier and able to dunk over tall buildings. If we wanted a little guy we’d have kept boykins.
Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Apr 16, 2010 11:02 PM PDT up reply actions
Spun the espn lotto machine 10 time and got 5/6's 7 out of 10. Doesnt look good.
by Only In Fairfax on Apr 16, 2010 6:39 PM PDT reply actions
Funny, but it seems like the 2nd pick hardly ever comes up for the 4th slotted team.
"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."
With the first pick of the 2010 NBA Draft
The Washington Wizards select John Wall from the University of Kentucky
With the seventh pick of the 2010 NBA Draft the Golden State Warriors select Donatas Montejunas.
Just wait
Espn 2010 NBA Lottery Mock Draft
Spun 5 times and got this for Warriors.
Spin 1- #1 Warriors – John Wall
Spin 2 – #2 Warriors – Evan Turner
Spin 3 – #6 Warriors – Al-Farouq Aminu
Spin 4 – #2 Warriors – Evan Turner
Spin 5 – #3 Warriors – Derrick Favors
Mock Draft
1. #4 Warriors – DeMarcus Cousins
2. #3 Warriors – Derrick Favors
3. #3 Warriors – Derrick Favors
4. #5 Warriors – Wesley Johnson
5. #4 Warriors – DeMarcus Cousins
6. #6 Warriors – Al-Farouq Aminu
7. #5 Warriors- Wesley Johnson
8. #3 Warriors – Derrick Favors
The first thing I thought when I heard this?
If indeed the lottery is rigged, this is a sign that the rigging would not screw over the Warriors. Maybe the Curry-Ellison combo is looking good to the league (if it is rigged), or at least better than the situation of the Wizards.
Sorry, just got off the phone with David Stern. The NBA is not rigged. (But if it is…but it’s not).
tk said jerry Colangelo is in the mix to run the W's in the future
It also goes on to say that Colangelo is Sterns very good friend and confidant, Therefore with Cohan on the outs, Curry the new league poster child, we are destined to get a top 2 pick. I personally would like #2 and Turner. The fix is in, but this time the fix is on our side!
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by StinkyFingers on Apr 18, 2010 5:20 PM PDT up reply actions
Shhhhh … dude, knock the frak on wood, would you? Have you not heard the old saying “pride goeth before a fall to #7”?
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on Apr 18, 2010 6:59 PM PDT up reply actions
This means
the draft gods have been ’curry’ing favor on us recently knocks on wood
My lottery thing
1st try = Turner at #2
2nd try = Wall at #1
3rd try = Johnson at #5
4th try = Aminu at #6
5th try = Cousins at #4
Pretty good
The person who writes for fools is always sure of a large audience.
Remember the last coin flip?
GSW and Houston were tied and a coin flip was needed to determine who would pick 8th and 9th. Houston won the coin flip.
Sitting at #8 for the Rockets was… Rudy Gay
Sitting at #9 for the Warriors was… Patrick O’Bryant
Ouch.
I’m glad we won the coin toss this year. Well, glad unless Washington gets a top 3 pick and we don’t.
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by Fantasy Junkie on Apr 16, 2010 11:43 PM PDT reply actions 3 recs
how about Raptors?
they won lottery being 5th and picked …Andrea Bargnani
from WTF to FTW!
by Lat We N Trash on Apr 17, 2010 10:28 AM PDT up reply actions
in this draft
i doub’t that it’s possible to be THAT stupid this year
my point is just -you never know …the future with this all draft thing
i guess Chris Washburn was considered as solid draft pick once
from WTF to FTW!
by Lat We N Trash on Apr 17, 2010 4:43 PM PDT up reply actions
All I'm going to say is
Anything goes when last year, Memphis was tied for 5th worst record and they got 2nd pick.
just to clarify what this means
TEAM RECORD LOTTERY CHANCES
New Jersey 12-70 250
Minnesota 15-67 199
Sacramento 25-57 156
Golden State 26-56 104
Washington 26-56 103
Philadelphia 27-55 53
Detroit 27-55 53
LA Clippers 29-53 23
New York (To Utah via Phoenix) 29-53 22
Indiana 32-50 11
New Orleans 37-45 8
Memphis 40-42 7
Toronto 40-42 6
Houston 42-40 5
We still pool our lottery chances with the wizards. This flip determines that we get the extra 1/1000 th chance over the wizards and if in the chance neither of us get into the top 3, we would pick ahead of them. The Kings pulled ahead on the last day by losing and in turn half a 5% higher chance at #1 than the wizards and warriors.
I think the diary made this clear.
This flip determines that we get the extra 1/1000 th chance over the wizards
This is close to negligible, clearly.
and if in the chance neither of us get into the top 3, we would pick ahead of them
This isn’t.
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on Apr 18, 2010 2:49 AM PDT up reply actions
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