Tyreke Evans to Be Named 2009-2010 NBA Rookie of the Year- Congrats to Tyreke + Stephen Curry
by Atma Brother ONE on Apr 27, 2010 8:08 AM PDT
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PrintMy man Ziller over at Sactown Royalty has some breaking news: Tyreke Evans to Be Named NBA Rookie of the Year
One of these guys is going to be the 2010-2011 NBA Sophomore of the Year too.
Jump for some links and some!
I think we've all made a great case why Stephen Curry deserved it, but it simply cannot denied that Evans had a fantastic rookie season. Props to Tyreke and the Sacramento Kings organization. You've probably heard it repeated ad nauseam, but his 20-5-5 statline is mighty impressive. It's unfortunate people are trying to contextualize his rookie season amongst Michael Jordan and Oscar Robertson, but it's amazing nonetheless.
As much as I love Brandon Jennings (and like many of you was rooting for the Golden State Warriors to take him with the 7th pick) this was really a two man race between the season-long favorite Evans and the sleeper with the late run Curry. As a basketball fan this was a fun race and an overall impressive outing by the 2009 NBA Draft class. It was a great infusion of very talented and fun youth into to the league. Both Northern California NBA squads were not good this past season (to put it lightly), but these two rookies made their teams watchable and gave us some good discussion material while both teams were "Gone Fishing" this spring.
Looking back over the 2009 NBA Draft, you really have to wonder (and admittedly it's still early) what the Memphis Grizzlies and Oklahoma City Thunder were thinking passing on Tyreke. It's also a head scratcher that the Minnesota Timberwolves managed to pass on Stef-fun not once, but twice; with two point guards no less.
Stay tuned to see who will be 2010-2011 NBA Sophomore of the Year...
My pick:
Also see:
- Report: Kings' Tyreke Evans Named NBA's 2010 Rookie of the Year [SB Nation{
- 2009-2010 NBA Rookie of the Year: The case for Stephen Curry vs Brandon Jennings + Tyreke Evans
- FanPost: This is Why Tyreke Evans Wins Rookie of the Year But Who Will Be the Better Player (UKwarrior)
- FanPost: Rookie Report Card: 09-10 top 10 (Dubs hoops)
- GSoM vs StR: Part I | Part II- I'd honestly love to see both Warriors and Kings fans debating who's got the 2010-2011 NBA Rookie of the Year too!
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If we're having the same arguments for RoY next year
I will be a very happy man. Great for NorCal basketball too.
I think its miscontrued that we have a problem with Curry. Most of us don’t. He’s a fantastic young player, and both of our teams are lucky to have such good, young stars.
I look forward to creating an actual rivalry that actually means something in the near future.
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by Aykis16 on Apr 27, 2010 8:21 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Oohhhh - you're so nice
So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
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by lietothegirls on Apr 27, 2010 8:37 AM PDT up reply actions
Anyway congrads Sac-Town! It will be a never ending debate but thats what fans do.
Now what we need to do is get to a point where we can both debate who will win our playoff series!
Clamoring for Cousins
by Only In Fairfax on Apr 28, 2010 1:24 PM PDT up reply actions
Chapu'd
"Oh, y ahora ¿quién podrá defenderme?" "¡Yo!"
by chapuforyou on Apr 27, 2010 11:56 AM PDT up reply actions
Re: I think its miscontrued that we have a problem with Curry.
You guys were pretty clear about that. Too bad people wanted to start crap.
I give pressure the reach-around.
by bloodsweatndonuts on Apr 27, 2010 3:40 PM PDT up reply actions
Sort of saw this coming
Reke had media hype all year and was the rookie game MVP as well , throw out as many numbers as you want but once the media is behind someone that guy will win an award
Are you suggesting coconuts migrate?
Attacking others only attacks yourself
Agreed, I like Curry for the long haul, and I preferred Curry’s performance this year to Tyreke’s, but I thought it was pretty obvious Tyreke was going to win. PPG goes a long way in media voting.
by Missing Barry on Apr 27, 2010 9:27 AM PDT up reply actions
C'mon....Curry has been a media darling for way longer than Tyreke.
And with good reason, more years in college, NBA pedigree, not to mention the fact that he’s a phenomenal player. I’m a Kings fan, love Tyreke, wanted Curry @ the beginning of the year, understand about media/NBA conspiracy theories BECAUSE the Kings have gotten hosed alot, like the dubs. But media bias where Tyreke is concerned vs. Curry? Sorry, that dog won’t hunt.
I don’t think anyone suggested some sort of media conspiracy/bias – just that the media decided a while ago they liked Tyreke, and they focus on thigns like ppg, and so it was pretty clear they were going to choose Tyreke. Now, if you want to discuss who was really more deserving….that’s a much closer argument. ;)
by Missing Barry on Apr 27, 2010 9:26 AM PDT up reply actions
Re: I don’t think anyone suggested some sort of media conspiracy/bias
I did, but I thought it would be a pro-Curry conspracy since he’s like NBA porn for middle-aged and old white dudes (the people who buy most NBA tickets). He’s polite, team player, doesn’t have any tattoos. . .
The next big thing for the NBA to market: Come see Steph! He’ll be nice to your face!
I’m glad I was wrong.
I’ll also understand if this post gets deleted.
I give pressure the reach-around.
by bloodsweatndonuts on Apr 27, 2010 3:49 PM PDT up reply actions
I’ll also understand if this post gets deleted.
I won’t .
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by Skeptic con Urquell on Apr 27, 2010 3:54 PM PDT up reply actions
Oh well
Both will have great careers anyways. Hopefully Bay Area sports takes a turn like what they have over @ Boston area. Curry is funner to watch anyways!…
Motivation
Curry will come back next year with a chip on his shoulder and could become a star next year.
WHY
Isnt there any other news outlet reporting this? Not even NBA.COM or ESPN?
Fishy.
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by LostHawkGSW on Apr 27, 2010 12:10 PM PDT up reply actions
congrats to him
ATL is my third favorite team to watch, even though they play so incredibly terrible on the road in the playoffs
1) warriors
distant second) thunder
way distant third) everyone else
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by LostHawkGSW on Apr 27, 2010 12:12 PM PDT up reply actions
The above pic of reke and steph says it all..
they both probably care a lot less than us fans. Their look says that they are just waiting for the next basketball play and don’t really care about all this hype. they seem like two laid back guys that just want to ball it up. Being a kings fan I am stoked bc it is finally something good for us, we don’t have an upset of a number one seed close in our memory nor MiP from a couple years ago. Steph is going to be amazing as will reke. let’s just get them both on team usa for 2012 london USA USA USA USA
by larry_funderburke on Apr 27, 2010 9:44 AM PDT reply actions
Who will have the better career? I won’t even vote on that. They both have the potential to have fantastic careers.
It will be interisting to see the vote count though, see how close of a race this was.
"If God made us in his image then he must be dumb too, and a little ugly on the side."
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Why is there even a question about who will have the better career?
Really? Find something to do with your lives people. Kings fans or Dubs fans seriously give it up already, lets not spread our hate across, lets keep if going down toward LA.
by carlsbadace on Apr 28, 2010 10:48 PM PDT up reply actions
Curry hands down is the more complete player....
Stephen may be one of the best guards to come out since Chris Paul. I think it’s BS if Curry doesn’t win he probably wont care as stated above. In a redraft Curry would be the first pick period.
The Maloof’s deserve nothing positive as they continue to run that franchise in the ground.
Harsh words. Any reasons why you think those things?
by Missing Barry on Apr 27, 2010 11:06 AM PDT up reply actions
Yes...
I have met the Maloof’s and know people who have worked for them. They are not very nice people in my personal opinion.
Interesting. I think one of my friends has met them a few times, I guess I’ll look more into it.
As for it being BS that Curry didn’t win and he’d be the first pick if the draft happened again….? I’d still take Blake Griffin over him (big man > guard), and while I think Curry was the better ROY choice, I do think it was very close.
by Missing Barry on Apr 27, 2010 12:43 PM PDT up reply actions
and while I think Curry was the better ROY choice, I do think it was very close.
Out of Curiosity. Why? Curry was only better in one specific stat. TS%.
And assists and steals. But overall, they’re very similar across the board, with the only major differences I see being Tyreke scores a little more but Curry scores a lot more efficiently. That difference in TS% is big, and the deciding factor.
by Missing Barry on Apr 27, 2010 1:56 PM PDT up reply actions
assists
Curry had 0.1 more a game. Cmon man. What about defense???
Tyreke was a better rebounder and defender. If you wanna look at offensive and defensive win share and rating, he was higher too. Nothing against Curry, he’s a victim of circumstance because Tyreke had to be “the guy” from game 5 (when Kevin Martin got injuried) on. If Curry had shouldered the loud early on. I bet he’d have won it.
Eitherway, I don’t care. I’m happy we got Curry. Beats the Notorious POB and “the next Carlos Boozer” Ike Diogu
There was a lil issue with Stephen Jackson ....
Thats the main reason he didn’t get the early minutes…
That was only about 10 games
Curry really took over the lead role when Monta went down.
Oh come on, you know I’m not wasting my time on per game stats. The difference was .3 per 36 minutes! ;)
Defensively, I’ve heard Tyreke is pretty bad? Curry’s not good, but he’s ok, and forces more turnovers, I’m putting them fairly equal defensively. Rebounding you have to take into account that Tyreke spent some time at the 2, I haven’t done any calculations (nor do I have the data to do so), but that makes up for some of the gap – I don’t know how much. I’m also not too fond of defensive stats at the moment, and still haven’t been convinced to get on board with any of the “win” production stats, offensively or defensievly…..
I’m happy too – not a big deal, as I’ve said, even if Curry was the better player, it’s definitely close enough that I feel Tyreke was deserving as well. What’s important is how they do going forward.
by Missing Barry on Apr 27, 2010 2:45 PM PDT up reply actions
to harp on some points
Tyreke is a better defender by far and often asked to guard Kobe, BRoy etc. Curry is not. By Defensive rating you can see he is better too. I don’t think it’s hard to imagine he is a better defender by virtue of physical gifts. I will say Curry impressed the F out of me defensively, but Tyreke is a superior defender particularly on ball because of his ridiculous wingspan.
As for spending time at 2 guard. No more than Curry. Most he did was play with Beno but he was still the initiator if you will. At worse it was like Brandon Roy (last year), Kobe or Dwayne Wade with whatever worthless floor spacer they paraded as a "PG. Point being, Tyreke was most definitely a PG
Thats my assessment I watched a lot of kings games (date a sac-girl who loves bball, you’re forced to)
I’m curious if anyone else that’s watched Tyreke has an opinion of his defense?
As for the rebounding/position thing – 82games has Tyreke actually playing more SG than PG – if you look through the top lineups by floor time, you can see why – Beno. Strictly in terms of rebounding responsibilities, Tyreke was the 2 on the floor at the time. He was guarding the 2, Beno would be the one who’s responsible for being back on D….I still think it’s a fair point – in rebounding terms, Tyreke was the 2 out there more than the 1, so he has a higher rebounding baseline to be compared to. Again, I’m not sure how much of the gap that closes, though.
by Missing Barry on Apr 27, 2010 9:15 PM PDT up reply actions
Similiar stats? yes
But Stats doesn’t say it all. For example Stats don’t show that Tyreke gets Double-Teamed every time he touches the ball within 20 ft of the basket. Or the fact that the opposing team puts their best defender on Tyreke. How many times has Curry seen Elite Defenders like Shane Battier, Ron Artest, John Salmons etc etc on him? Or the fact that Tyreke has hit 3 Buzzer beater shots(2 behind Kobe during the regular season). The stats YOUR looking at apparently doesn’t show Evans gets to the freethrow line a 6.5x per game compared to Curry’s 2.5. Tyreke Evan’s has slightly less steals per game but that doesn’t show how good of a ON the ball Defender he is ( I admit Curry is a better weak-side help Defender, getting into the passing lanes). And lets face it, Curry is a much better mid-range/long-range shooter then Tyreke. Oh and don’t forget Tyreke is 3 years younger then Curry. Tyreke isn’t even old enough to buy beer and already has opposing teams defensive strategy tweaked to specifically stop him. If your defending Golden State, you have to worry about Curry, Maggette AND Monte. If your defending against Sacramento, who do you think the focus is on? Hmmmmmm just Tyreke. Blame nobody but your OWN coach for having his best player (Curry), not playing big minutes the 1st Third of the season. With that being said ,even though im a Kings fan I still think Curry is GREAT and he’s more then welcome to come to Sacramento anytime! And who knows, Curry very well could become a better player then Tyreke in the end. AFter all its just Rookie of the Year.
by ridingthebench on Apr 27, 2010 4:34 PM PDT up reply actions
The stats YOUR looking at apparently doesn’t show Evans gets to the freethrow line a 6.5x per game compared to Curry’s 2.5.
Actually, true shooting percentage, the stat most of “us” look at to determine scoring efficiency, factors in free throw attempts. Despite Evans’ superiority in getting himself to the stripe, Curry still best Evans pretty handily by this measure, .568 to .529. (Meanwhile, do you have to flaunt your grammar errors by capitalizing them?)
Oh and don’t forget Tyreke is 3 years younger then Curry.
Hm. Seems like you may have “forgotten” than Evans is actually a year and a half younger than Curry. 18 months and five days younger, to be precise. Grammar aside, it’s hard to take the rest of what you say very seriously when you can’t be relied on to take three seconds to check the players’ birthdates.
That said, I agree that Evans is a pretty deserving ROY. Personally, I would have voted Curry, with the tiebreaker being the (rather underplayed) fact that he played eight more games. But hey … voters like round per game numbers, and 20-5-5 are some impressive ones. Bravo, Tyreke. We’ll see how this little rivalry plays out in the coming years. Should be fun.
I’m just a little bummed that when Curry is 35-36 years old and starting to slow down a bit, Evans will still be a strapping young man of 27. :,-(
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on Apr 27, 2010 5:12 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
It's not just in the stats...
He plays like a polished NBA player and makes solid decisions on the floor. He makes those players arround him better. He handled all the pressures and odd circumstances like a professional. To me he was the most complete rookie point since CP3. He rarely had a bad night every pro does it’s how they bounce back. He put up stats that are on par with Oscar Robertson for his rookie season. He gave us something to watch and with better players arround him he will continue to shine…. He reminds me a lot of Steve Nash in the toughness and ability to do everything well on the court and off the court.
I can't disagree with ANY assesment of Curry you make but....
do you watch Tyreke though?
He can’t shoot but he isn’t exactly running with his head cut off. IMO that’s jennings. Tyreke is a smart player, takes shots he can make, and gets a lot of assists as well. I mean 5.8 to 5.9 isn’t exactly a huge margin. Turnovers are exact same.
Curry does it with a big more flare. Not sure if that isn’t our system but both are promising PGs with LONG ways to go in terms of play making.
Both are very good with all-star potential. Tyreke has higher upside (in that if he can learn to shoot he’ll be unstoppable)but Curry is more likely to reach his absolute fullest potential.
But if you wanna go to rookie of year. It’s hard to discredit Tyreke’s much better defense and rebounding edge. Also the fact he did it all year, even if it was by circumstance. I mean you could argue, Amare deserves MVP because when he turned his game up averaged over 25 ppg and 10 rpg and Phoenix went on a tear at the end. But it isn’t given like that.
So yes. I think Tyreke probably deserves it, but I am happy with curry and would personally prefer him going forward
I'm not trying to discredit Tyreke...
He’s a solid player Stephen Curry just won me over with everything he did and the way he carries himself. He plays the game the right way and for all the right reasons. It’s gonna be nice to watch the two battle it out for years to come. I also think as a lifelong Warriors fan I wanted him to win the award. They both put up deserving numbers. It’s always been about the Dub’s for me even through the bad seasons which there have been many. It would have been a symbol that this wasn’t a wasted season…
He rarely had a bad night every pro does it’s how they bounce back.
and apparently he never ran into the rookie JohnWall anywhere either?
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by Skeptic con Urquell on Apr 27, 2010 3:21 PM PDT up reply actions
He played so few games it's really tough to tell....
Point Guards are excedingly valuable. Given what Portland is going through with Oden it would be tough to take Griffen knowing he wasnt going to play most of the season. I really like Griffen but without a body of work behind him it would make that a tough call.
PG’s are valuable, agreed, but not as valuable as big men. I’d still take my chances on Griffin – great character, big time work ethic, athletic, talented, monster on the glass, good size…..yep, I definitely like all those things a lot.
by Missing Barry on Apr 27, 2010 2:47 PM PDT up reply actions
Show just a teeny,weeny,little bit of class samiam.
Clamoring for Cousins
by Only In Fairfax on Apr 28, 2010 1:27 PM PDT up reply actions
Co-ROY
What about Jennings getting his team of nobodies into the playoffs and now 2-2 against atlanta?
Do we play to win or to make stats and media hype?
Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Apr 27, 2010 10:39 AM PDT up reply actions
Well, if Jennings was really the one that got them into the playoffs, you might have a point. The reason they got into the playoffs, though, was defensive – 2nd in the NBA in defensive efficiency, according to BB-Ref. So yeah, they may be nobodies, but they excel at half the game. Did I mention that Ridnour outplayed Jennings this year (and that pains me to say, because I really, really dislike Ridnour)?
by Missing Barry on Apr 27, 2010 11:09 AM PDT up reply actions
John Salmons got them to the postseason, dude.
They were a .500 team before that trade.
"Oh, y ahora ¿quién podrá defenderme?" "¡Yo!"
by chapuforyou on Apr 27, 2010 11:50 AM PDT up reply actions
Yeah he played very well for them once he arrived.
by Missing Barry on Apr 27, 2010 12:43 PM PDT up reply actions
They went 15-2 following the trade. Then stumbled near the end.
But that probably has to do with Bogut playing out of his mind, and then, predictably, getting hurt.
"Oh, y ahora ¿quién podrá defenderme?" "¡Yo!"
predictably?
did you see his fall? not something that happens very often, at least I dont see it much/
Three out of the last four years, he's been injured to finish the season.
That other season he still missed some time in April.
"Oh, y ahora ¿quién podrá defenderme?" "¡Yo!"
2-2 against Atlanta?
This make no difference, the award like most, is a regular season event.
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By your “logic,” Skep, Danny Green should be rookie of the year. His 61 wins laugh at Jennings’ paltry 46.
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on Apr 27, 2010 11:39 AM PDT up reply actions
By your "logic," Skep, Danny Green should be rookie of the year. His 61 wins laugh at Jennings’ paltry 46.
Maybe you got a case? What team does he start for? did he put up more than 55 points against our scrubs?
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by Skeptic con Urquell on Apr 27, 2010 11:41 AM PDT up reply actions
Haha. No, but he did score 40 points … total for the season. ;-)
To his credit, like Derek Fisher, he seems to have chosen his teammates well. One teammate in particular has been routinely putting up 35/10/10-type lines in the playoffs, while making every other player in the NBA look ordinary.
Yeah, poor Danny Green may have been jobbed out of his ROY, but come June he may well have a shiny NBA championship ring with which to assuage his grief. I’m guessing both ’Reke and Steph would gladly swap the former honor for the latter.
On topic … assuming this story is true: congratulations, Tyreke!
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on Apr 27, 2010 12:28 PM PDT up reply actions
Forget about
Jennings! HE didn’t get his team to the playoffs… Bogut’s breakout season low-post game and the trade for Salmons is a bigger factor then Jenning’s mediocre season. cough 36% FG shooting for the season cough- With your logic, the Rookie drafted by Cleveland should be ROY since his team has the best record in the NBA. Oh and by the way.. Milwaukee would have never made the playoffs had they not played in the WEAK eastern conference. That being said, Jennings has NOTHING on Evans or Curry.
by ridingthebench on Apr 27, 2010 3:47 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
That being said, Jennings has NOTHING on Evans or Curry.
except a righteous high top fade?
Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Apr 27, 2010 3:56 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Fanhouse linking to this article
http://nba.fanhouse.com/2010/04/27/report-tyreke-evans-named-nba-rookie-of-the-year/
But even the most ardent of Curry supporters admit that Evans should be the consensus choice when it came to the ROY, making it no surprise that the media as a whole decided to anoint a second straight one-and-done John Calipari point guard as the best first year player.
“consensus” choice? Huh? Who admitted that?
Tyreke deserves this award no doubt. But I don’t recall any Curry supporters admitting he should be the consensus choice.
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by Atma Brother ONE on Apr 27, 2010 11:06 AM PDT reply actions
I wouldn’t even go along with Tyreke deserves it no doubt. I think there’s a real case Curry had a better season. I think they were comparable enough that neither choice is really “wrong”, but I probably would have chosen Curry.
by Missing Barry on Apr 27, 2010 11:10 AM PDT up reply actions
I wouldn’t even go along with Tyreke deserves it no doubt.
That’s simply misjudgement.
Does Tyreke deserve it? Yes. Does Curry? Yes. Does Jennings? Yes.
The only problem is that it’s “Rookie of the Year” not “Rookies deserving praise for their impact.” They all had fantastic years, and they all deserve the award. Tyreke has the numbers (Jennings doesn’t) and has been more consistently good (Curry hasn’t). Fair or not, that’s the method that seems to have been used in this award selection.
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by Dubs fan in Boston on Apr 27, 2010 11:29 AM PDT up reply actions
Well, I think Jennings would have been a poor pick. I see the argument for Tyreke and Curry, but not Jennings. I also really disagree that Tyreke has been more “consistently good”, if that implies Tyreke’s total results over the entire season were better – I think Curry’s season totals were better.
by Missing Barry on Apr 27, 2010 12:47 PM PDT up reply actions
I agree
that Jennings would have been a poor pick. On merits that his team is in the playoffs I point to Bogut and Salmons. On his 55 pt game explosion, I point to his league worst shooting percentage. The defense rests.
The arguments between curry and Evans seem to be more semantics. It really could have gone either way….
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On merits that his team is in the playoffs I point to Bogut and Salmons. On his 55 pt game explosion, I point to his league worst shooting percentage. The defense rests.
you forgot to give him the bonus points for best old school high top fade?
Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Apr 27, 2010 3:29 PM PDT up reply actions
I wouldn’t even go along with Tyreke deserves it no doubt.
My bad on the unclear wording. I meant there’s nothing wrong with Tyreke winning this award. There’s nothing wrong with Stephen Curry winning it either. Both are deserving.
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by Atma Brother ONE on Apr 27, 2010 11:31 AM PDT up reply actions
Sense this is a mostly media driven award Tyreke wins it on dynamics. He may not be the most polished player but he was the flashiest. This is why Jennings was even in the discussion, a 55 point game gets people talking.
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by qin on Apr 27, 2010 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
making it no surprise that the media as a whole decided to anoint a second straight one-and-done John Calipari point guard as the best first year player.
Well, they were wrong with Rose the first time. Rose was not ROY last year IMO.
Stephen Curry is the future.
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by GovernorStephCurry on Apr 27, 2010 8:47 PM PDT up reply actions
From Kings fan
I’m thrilled that Tyreke won. Curry is awesome though and I think almost everyone at sactownroyalty loves him as a player as well.
Here’s to Warriors, Kings, and Thunder being 1, 2, and 3 seeds in the west some day soon.
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by lodisacfan on Apr 27, 2010 11:28 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Cheers to that!
I hope both our teams can catch up to Oklahoma. Durant / Curry / Evans are all great young players that have what it takes to take the NBA by storm for the next 10 years once Kobe / Nash / Jkidd is gone! Wow… what big shoes to fill.
by bojangles408 on Apr 27, 2010 11:41 AM PDT up reply actions
Tyreke Evans is a team cancer. Voters didn't take that into consideration, though.
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Come on, now. You know that’s not true.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Apr 27, 2010 12:04 PM PDT up reply actions
I've never been more certain about anything in my banal, pathetic life.
"Oh, y ahora ¿quién podrá defenderme?" "¡Yo!"
by chapuforyou on Apr 27, 2010 12:16 PM PDT up reply actions
Chapu -
They probably didn’t put the “team cancer” factor into the equation because its absolutely ridiculous. Looking at the Kings bench this season, the only one who seemed displeased with the handing of the team reins to a rookie was Chapu, whose minutes took a crap this year mostly to another rookie who seemingly gets along EXTREMELY well with Tyreke. JT and Donte and Beno certainly had no issue with ’Reke either. You have the opposite of a mancrush, you might want to get that looked at before it becomes infected….(or is it too late…?)
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He is just bitter
He went ballistic on StR when awarded Troll of the Year award, quite an honor really, and is now a narrower, bitter, and unfunny Chapuforyou… Sad really.
I was there
and agree, it was like watching a bad car accident in slow motion as it happened. You could see it coming, yet couldn’t take your eyes away or do anything to stop it. I think he might actually be Nocioni, which would explain much of his disdain for Tyreke. He ain’t gonna pass you the ball if you don’t make shots Chapu….
"he looks like he is going to take a bite out of a huge invisible sandwich..." - wallywagon11
Tyreke is a younger version of Maggette
Give it time and you Sactown fans will be crying how he kills ball movement and never passes even more than he does now.
by Crashbranman on Apr 27, 2010 12:43 PM PDT up reply actions
We heard you
and respectfully disagree. There’s more in Tyreke’s bag at 20 than Maggette ever had, starting with court vision. Maggette’s a one-trick pony (Scoring) with any stats achieved outside of that being mere bonuses. You could put 20-5-5 in the books for Tyreke before the game even started, and often had more like 20 – 8 – 9. He’s already at Rondo-like levels statistically, and no one thinks of Rondo as the next Maggette. They think of him as a BALLER, hate him or love him, the dude’s got skills. And while I think Rondo has pretty much peaked, Tyreke’s just getting started. Oh yeah, and that Curry kid is pretty damned good too….I think Nor Cal came out winners regardless of who wins the ROY, so not sure why you feel the need to pour the hater-aide on a solid NBA rookie….
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Now, I agree on the Tyreke != Maggette part, but I think you’re a little overboard with the Tyreke stuff. He averaged 19.5 points, 5.6 assists and 5.1 rebounds per 36 minutes….no need to try to misrepresent that as “often had more like 20-8-9”…..we know what he averaged, which is what matters.
Evans also, at this point in time, isn’t anything like Rondo as a player – he can’t create for his teammates at anything even approaching Rondo-like levels, but Rondo can’t score as Evans, just not a good comp. Especially since one of Rondo’s biggest contributions is non-statistics stuff – defense. So I just think you’re talking about apples and oranges here – two different players, in different roles, that play completely differently.
by Missing Barry on Apr 27, 2010 2:02 PM PDT up reply actions
At least
you are basing your arguments in common sense. The comp. was more statistically oriented as opposed to playing styles, where Rondo is way more valid than comparing him to Maggette. I would argue that he actually creates more for his teammates than given credit for, but agree that its not quite at Rondo’s level, perhaps because Rondo has guys like KG and Ray Ray finishing for him. And you would need both hands (and maybe a couple of toes) to count how many times he came close to triple doubles this year. Can’t argue the defensive differences, however. Not really sure who you could compare Tyreke to, honestly, but I like that he’s in Sacramento and doubt W’s fans would be disappointed if he had fallen to you at 7. For a weak draft class, I’d say we both we came out on top regardless….
"he looks like he is going to take a bite out of a huge invisible sandwich..." - wallywagon11
Out of touch
Maggette averages 2.5 APG and only had a few games (4 games at 6 APG) where he was over 5 APG all year. Whereas Evans averaged over 5 APG and had MANY games at near double digit APG. Huge difference just in APG.
That's harsh
When has Maggette ever put up 5.8 assists per game. Heck when has Monta? Rookie PG averaging 5.8 to 3.0 turnovers. Not bad. We all wanna act like curry is amuch better passer but he has almost exact same numbers (5.9 to 3.0).
and while we all wanna harp on Curry’s improvement. February on Tyreke was 7.0 assist per game to 3.2 turnovers.
If anything, Tyreke reminds me of Gilbert without a jump shot.
Tyreke reminds me of Gilbert without a jump shot.
Hmmm….not a bad comparison. Hopefully for the Kings he also comes without the side of crazy?
by Missing Barry on Apr 27, 2010 2:04 PM PDT up reply actions
Beat that dead horse Chapu
I don’t think its dead enough yet…
"he looks like he is going to take a bite out of a huge invisible sandwich..." - wallywagon11
If he doesn't pass the ball then
How did he average 5.8 assists a game? Which is .1 behind Curry’s 5.9. Oh and by the way if Tyreke’s teammates could actually make open jumpers Evans probably would have been closer to 7-8 assists per game. I think Curry is great, Evans great…. Jennings not so much.
by ridingthebench on Apr 27, 2010 3:52 PM PDT up reply actions
Evans winning seems about right
Both guys had fantastic rookie years but Evans has the edge of taking over from day 1. Curry was held back a little bit at the beginning of the season and didn’t really get going until January. That may not be Curry’s fault but you have to consider the full body of work and I think Evans had the better season. Although I do think that by the end of the season Curry was the better basketball player.
As a Warrior’s fan I wouldn’t trade Curry for Evans and I’m sure Kings fans would do it either. I don’t know who is going to have the better career but I sure am excited to see how Curry’s career unfolds here in Oakland.
i wonder sometimes
what both teams would look like if our rookies were switched, would curry/martin flourish? would evans/ellis flourish? who knows, but i bet curry/evans would be better than both of those combo’s
Seriously
Curry/Evans are perfect complements to each other. That’s my dream backcourt if I’m quite honest. I’ll take Evans/Turner too though.
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Seriously, this kid is a great talent and likely a cornerstone of your franchise for years to come. If he had played that way from the beginning of the year it would have been a tough contest.
I think that his not getting ROY should not reflect negatively on him. Maybe on the situation and environment around him, but not him.
Seriously is Sactown Royalty a reliable source??
The guy doesn’t even say where he got his info from.
by Crashbranman on Apr 27, 2010 12:38 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
He got it from me
".....but Curry had a better TS%, damn you TYREKE!!!"
I know all
".....but Curry had a better TS%, damn you TYREKE!!!"
don't think so -look at yourself
from WTF to FTW!
by Lat We N Trash on Apr 27, 2010 1:09 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I really thought Curry's TS% would take him over the top.
NOT
".....but Curry had a better TS%, damn you TYREKE!!!"
Omniscience
never looked so good….(?)
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Aww … c’mon Lat, couldn’t have graced us with a more interesting picture than that? ;-)
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on Apr 27, 2010 1:24 PM PDT up reply actions
meh
i am selfrighteous low person with doubtful cultural standarts
from eastern europe
..sometimes even drunk
class isn’t really my style
from WTF to FTW!
by Lat We N Trash on Apr 27, 2010 1:34 PM PDT up reply actions
i am selfrighteous low person with doubtful cultural standarts from eastern europe ..sometimes even drunk class isn’t really my style
Haha, I tell my wife that same thing all the time but she still wants me to do the dishes.
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by Skeptic con Urquell on Apr 27, 2010 3:35 PM PDT up reply actions
Well put....
It’s a bit of an overblown award to begin with….
"he looks like he is going to take a bite out of a huge invisible sandwich..." - wallywagon11
I wil tell them you are on your way
".....but Curry had a better TS%, damn you TYREKE!!!"
Congrats Tyreke
Can’t say I’m surprised. I knew he’d win. Did he deserve to? Probably. Will he be better long term? I’m not sure.
All I know is I’m very content with Curry at the 7 pick and i’m considering going to “Canus Hoopus” to marvel in there misery. Pass twice on perfect fit for triangle and….. the better player between Curry and Flynn.
Poor Wolves. How long before David Kahn get’s fired?
Stephen is The Future, not Evans
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I don’t get why people keep asking this. Ziller and Sactown Royalty are legit. We used to get “inside tips” when the Warriors were, well relevant. When you’re a major source for Kings, Warriors, info you’re going to get tips, info, press releases, etc.
Props to Ziller and Sactown Royalty. Top notch all around… except for some of their commenters- just kidding!
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by Atma Brother ONE on Apr 27, 2010 3:04 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Kudos to Nelson, Smart and Hines
Have you seen this video? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wx47boB4GRQ I finally got an appreciation for what Rico Hines’ contributes to the coaching staff.
We all know that Keith Smart is the defensive head coach, and the work he did with Curry was impressive. A nice article about Steph’s rookie season… http://www.insidebayarea.com/ci_14314623?source=most_emailed
And, special mention should go out to Nelson who should have finally dispelled any talk that he doesn’t play rookies. Curry was pretty terrible right out of the gate, but Nellie stuck with him. His work ethic, improvement, and ability to remain in proper position kept him on the floor. A fantastic rookie season for Curry that should garner some appreciation from Nelson and his staff.
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by eshock on Apr 27, 2010 2:42 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Congrats Tyreke for Rookie Of The Year!
I knew he was going to win it… Curry was definitely 2nd runner up, and Curry is legit, but to me he is just another shooter, and I’m a Dubs fan. Its just that we always got shooters, I wish we could have gotten Tyreke, because Tyreke will be a dominant force for years to come in this league…
please
evans, lawson, collison, jennings would all have huge stats if they were playing for golden state, people around the league realize that
by lemmetakeutodamovies on Apr 27, 2010 9:22 PM PDT reply actions
Really? So getting 3 or 4 more possessions a game will make your TS% go up by 40%? Call me suspicious….
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by GovernorStephCurry on Apr 27, 2010 9:35 PM PDT up reply actions
What kind of huge stats? We like to look at stats that indicate how effective players have been around here – and effective players help their team win games. Why would any other player be able to put up huge stats (measuring how effective they are) in GS? It’s not like our players do it – if they did, we might win more games.
by Missing Barry on Apr 27, 2010 9:55 PM PDT up reply actions
He was never a ball hog...
He put up solid numbers and look who he was playing with 3-4 D leaguers who will have NBA careers because of making them better. Thats what great players do he’s not there yet but he’s on his way. He’s not just a 2 he proved he can be a 1. That’s the point people are missing. Monta is a skilled player but doesn’t have the ability to make those arround him better only to be the focus. Maggette can’t do it that’s the knock on him. Curry’s potential is off the charts because of his intangibles. He has it whatever it is. The stuff you can’t measure… Tha’t what all the great athletes have seriously we are blessed to watch the growth and development of something special. That’s why he’s rookie of the year…. reguardless of the votes…
Motivation
I actually prefer steph to be runner up so he has motivation to get better next year
typically ROY falls off in his 2nd season.
rather have curry pissed and on a mission to prove the voters wrong
Actually, I hope he doesn't use this as motivation
because once he feels he’s proven everyone wrong then what will motivate him? I’d rather he motivate himself because he himself wants to get better, regardless of whether or not he has won anything.
by IQofaWarrior on Apr 28, 2010 12:11 AM PDT up reply actions
His motivation should be
The hall of fame baby!!
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Gimme a call you will see results in just a week
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by LostHawkGSW on Apr 28, 2010 12:13 AM PDT up reply actions
Rose, Durant, Roy, Paul, James, Stoudemire, Gasol
7 of the last 10 ROY from 2001-2010. Would you say they slumped after ROY?
I understand that Curry may be motivated by this or that as a Warriors fan you hope that he will be. However, it’s an absurd statement to take a jab at Evans by saying that the ROY typically becomes complacent with his game. I’d say more often than not, ROY is a type of player who is never complacent with game and is constantly working to get better.
Kudos to both Evans/Curry. I’m sure they’ll develop into stars.
by Webber's Ankle on Apr 28, 2010 5:52 AM PDT up reply actions
Steph is not motivated by records or awards.
He wants to win. Had he stayed at Davidson he would have been the favorite for college Player of the Year. He could have also had a chance to approach or pass Maravich’s NCAA career scoring record. But he knew the team wouldn’t be good enough to win in the NCAA Tournament. So he left to begin his pro career.
At the PGA Pro-Am in Charlotte he says he is excited about the young talent on the Warriors and wants to get into the playoffs. That’s his focus.
Check out the golf swing too: http://news14.com/triangle-news-30-content/top_stories/625056/fans-flock-to-follow-curry-family-at-quail-hollow-pro-am?ap=1&MP4
Hi.Steph should be ROY and Blair is second its just sad cuz even guys way deserving than evans can’t have it.And I think that if blair was on a losing team that uses him I doubt if a double double would help him.Like in the rookie game—-a 20-20 is the proof that no matter how stellar you are,popular guys wins it.And I really like steph and monta ellis.
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Tyreke gets ROY...
but Curry gets “NBA Cares” commercial. Curry is the more marketable player (and face) and will re-energize the Warriors with his unselfish, team-first attitude, which in turn, will attract big-time free agents to the W’s in the coming years.
Who knows?
probably depends on who we draft?
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by Skeptic con Urquell on Apr 28, 2010 9:33 PM PDT up reply actions
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