2010 NBA Draft Lottery Results: Washington Wizards 1st pick + Philadelphia 76ers 2nd pick + Golden State Warriors 6th pick
by Atma Brother ONE on May 18, 2010 5:39 PM PDT
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PrintTwo teams moved up in today's NBA Lottery, the Washington Wizards and Philadelphia 76ers. Congrats to the Bullets Forever and Liberty Ballers communities.
The Golden State Warriors? Well, they moved down 2 slots and will be picking #6 overall.
Depressed? Well let me remind you that the people's pick for 2010 NBA Rookie of the Year Stephen Curry went 7th overall.
Also see TODAY'S 2010 NBA Draft Lottery = 2010 NBA Playoffs for Golden State Warriors for crazy linkage and running lottery thoughts (it's the playoff open thread for Warriors fans)
The full 2010 NBA Lottery order after the jump!
2010 NBA Draft 1st Round Lottery Order
- Washington Wizards
- Philadelphia 76ers
- New Jersey Nets
- Minnesota Timberwolves
- Sacramento Kings
- Golden State Warriors
- Washington Wizards
- Detroit Pistons
- LA Clippers
- Utah Jazz
- Indiana Pacers
- New Orleans Hornets
- Memphis Grizzlies
- Toronto Raptors
- Houston Rockets
Linkage:
- NBA Draft Lottery [Wikipedia]
- 2010 NBA Draft Lottery Central [Warriors.com]
- Playing the lotto [SFGate]
- Where Superstition Happens: An Incomplete History Of NBA Draft Lottery Stunts [SB Nation]- Good stuff about Nellie and the cow magnet.
- N.B.A. Lottery to Set Order, but Not Much Will Be Settled [NY Times]
- Lottery Machine [ESPN]
- Ridiculous Upside
- NBADraft.net
- DraftExpress
- SB Nation NBA
- Lotto preview: Who would teams pick? [Chad Ford- ESPN]
- Prep for lottery night [Chad Ford- ESPN]
- Worst. Draft. Ever ... Or not [Chad Ford- ESPN]
- Who do NBA personnel like in the lottery? [ESPN]
- Open Thread II: 2009 NBA Draft Lottery- Welcome to the 2009 Playoffs Warriors fans!
- 2009 NBA Draft Lottery Results + With the 7th pick in the 2009 NBA Draft the Golden State Warriors select...
- Polling GSoM: Who should represent the Golden State Warriors at the 2009 NBA Lottery?
- Open Thread: 2009 NBA Lottery
- OPEN THREAD: 2008 NBA Draft Lottery @ 4:30pm
- RECAP: NBA Lottery 2007 - Tank That!
- NBA Draft 2006: Lottery Picks are Done
- Raptors Land #1--NBA Lottery Order Set
- Playoffs for Warriors Fans: 4:30pm ESPN- Super Lotto!
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if we draft cole adrich
i’m becoming a clippers fan.
by Tom Huddlestone on May 18, 2010 5:46 PM PDT up reply actions
I'll join you.
Right now we make the Clippers look lucky.
Shoot at least they won it all last year.
We keep on getting the stiff arm on good picks.
"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."
pick will be traded as it stands right now...
by streetballer on May 18, 2010 6:19 PM PDT up reply actions
Isn't that kind of a broad statement?
Do they have a trade lined up pending not getting a top 2 or 3 pick? Or does the FO just think that there isn’t a good player at #6?
Derrick Coleman is my power animal.
by bloodsweatndonuts on May 18, 2010 6:27 PM PDT up reply actions
Hi BSD...been awhile.
You are correct in both your assumptions above. Disapointing, but the show must go on.
by streetballer on May 18, 2010 7:40 PM PDT up reply actions
I say hope for a couple guys to jump up but realistically we try and trade minny for 2 1st rounders and a 2nd
give minny a chance to redeem themselves and give ourselves a chance to find a diamond in the rough, I am thinking we get this years 16th and next years first and 2nd
What is this football?
are you Bill Bellicik or however that dick spells his name?
"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."
Vomit.
6th is a bad place to drop this year, as we’ve just missed out on the upper tier of players available. The drop from Cousins to Alrdich is huge. I say we should just take the BPA.
by TheDaydreamer on May 18, 2010 6:54 PM PDT up reply actions
Aminu
Hi Lisa. Hi Super Nintendo Chalmers.
by Reverend_Randy on May 18, 2010 5:51 PM PDT up reply actions
He’s an excellant choice, we’ll actually have a normal-sized 3, and able to play the 4
warriors all the way, coming your way.
That's highly dependent on if Aminu could play the 3.
And I don’t think he will his first couple of seasons. If he could I’d take him.
"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."
There are a lot of swear words I want to use right now, why do I have to be in a (inappropriate) library? (inappropriate) (inappropriate) (inappropriate) (inappropriate) (inappropriate)
It’s the same old, but it is depressing. Every time I get hopeful about our team I get crushed. If we would have lost the coinflip we would have John Wall right now.
It just makes too much sense.
"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."
2nd best news today.
Behind Larry Ellison putting in a bid for the team.
"Monta is the MAN." -Bob Fitzgerald
by WarriorForLife on May 18, 2010 6:09 PM PDT up reply actions
This shows why you don't tank at the end of the year
I’m not saying the Warriors did, because they didn’t. That was obvious watching them play at the end of the year. I’m just saying, to all the people that were calling for the Warriors to tank games (specifically to the Wizards if I’m not mistaken) that tanking would have had no bearing on the outcome of the lottery anyway. Except for that the Warriors would have been 5th instead of 6th. Because two teams with better records can leapfrog you anyways, regardless of how well you tank. Again, I watched the games. I know that the Warriors did not tank. I’m just saying to remember this……..so if the Warriors are in a similar spot next year, know that there really is no reason to tank at the end of the year.
15 going on 16. No, it's not a show on TLC. I'm talking about the Lakers!
WE SHOULD TANK AT THE BEGINNING NEXT TIME
by shahbazi3 on May 18, 2010 5:47 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Of course they can leapfrog you, but the more you tank the better odds you have, that is undeniable. And if we did tank this year…we would be in fifth, and after Wes Johnson I don’t even know who is available.
that is deniable
when the lottery is fixed
Ah yes, the “lottery is fixed” conspiracy. Why, exactly, do you think it’s “fixed”?
by Missing Barry on May 19, 2010 8:24 AM PDT up reply actions
If we tanked better, we would have improved our odds
Results of some sort of lottery really don’t prove anything. Probability is probability. A team with a 15% chance has a better chance than the team with 10%.
Hi Lisa. Hi Super Nintendo Chalmers.
by Reverend_Randy on May 18, 2010 5:53 PM PDT up reply actions
Probability is probability.
This. Anyone who doesn’t understand this concept…..well, I don’t know what to say. :\
by Missing Barry on May 18, 2010 6:35 PM PDT up reply actions
On the contrary, the Kings and Wiz tanked BIG time at the end of the year. They are picking ahead of us.
by Ice Watter In His Veins! on May 18, 2010 5:59 PM PDT up reply actions
You only look smart because we dropped.
Oh well, serve your crow sir.
"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."
All about the better odds.
Tanking=More ping pong balls=Better odds
Just so happened two teams with worse odds than us won.
"Monta is the MAN." -Bob Fitzgerald
by WarriorForLife on May 18, 2010 6:11 PM PDT up reply actions
yeah
and their odds weren’t much worse than ours. At least that was the case for the Wizards.
Hi Lisa. Hi Super Nintendo Chalmers.
by Reverend_Randy on May 18, 2010 6:34 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, pretty negligible.
"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."
Tanking just ins't worth it since it's a lottery
Sure increasing your chances are nice but non of the top 4 teams won the lottery this year. And The Bulls won it with very little chance. Too me if your bad you should keep going hard
Don't worry about the world coming to an end today. It is already tomorrow in Australia
What are the pros/cons of tanking?
Pro: you increase your chances
So….what cons outweigh that?
by Missing Barry on May 18, 2010 8:13 PM PDT up reply actions
It is absolutely worth it
This isn’t a statistical matter. It’s about probability.
Hi Lisa. Hi Super Nintendo Chalmers.
by Reverend_Randy on May 18, 2010 8:45 PM PDT up reply actions
I’m just saying, to all the people that were calling for the Warriors to tank games (specifically to the Wizards if I’m not mistaken) that tanking would have had no bearing on the outcome of the lottery anyway.
If we’d done a good job of tanking we’d have locked in no worse than 4th pick, which is a lot better than 6th pick in this draft.
Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.
by Skeptic con Urquell on May 18, 2010 10:08 PM PDT up reply actions
Greg Monroe if we can't find a trade please...
"I tell him straight, 'If you're going to lead, you have to be the first to practice. You have to come in, get your work down and be prepared for practice,' " assistant coach Keith Smart said. "He needs to figure out why he is having stomach problems and he's got to watch how LeBron (James), Kobe (Bryant) and D-Wade (Dwyane Wade) work. He needs to mimic that if he wants his teammates to speak volumes about him." -Keith Smart on Motna Ellis
Trade?
Our gm is Larry Riley and we are in the midst of ownership change. There won’t be a trade.
Thing B
by warriorsscore110 on May 18, 2010 5:56 PM PDT up reply actions
You listed the Wizards twice in the post
There should only be 14 teams on that list
NOOOOO
This is made even worse by realizing that if we had lost the coin flip a while back to the Wizards for the sixth pick.. we would have had the number ….
sigh
Awesome, we get the 6th pick in a 5 man draft. I admit that watching the ’Dubs get the 3rd pick ~8 years ago during a 2 player draft hurt more.
Hopefully David Kahn does something foolish, but realistically Aminu, Aldrich, Monroe, the European Guy? What do we do…..?
Thing B
by warriorsscore110 on May 18, 2010 5:54 PM PDT reply actions
We hate ourselves even more.
And plot to murder Cohan/Riley.
hell yea
trade down and draft babbitt. he’s only going to be the next chris mullin….or luke jackson
by Tom Huddlestone on May 18, 2010 5:56 PM PDT up reply actions
trade down
Keep in mind that our GM is Larry Riley AND he is a lame duck that will be fired before the end of the year. I dont have too much faith in him making a beneficial long term trade, or any beneficial trade for that matter.
Thing B
by warriorsscore110 on May 18, 2010 5:57 PM PDT up reply actions
I've only seen all of Luke's home games for the last two yaers,
I’m down for that.
Go Nevada Wolf Pack!
by BacksThePack on May 18, 2010 6:21 PM PDT up reply actions
We may get lucky and Wesley Johnson is our stud SF that we have been needing for a long while now.
"If God made us in his image then he must be dumb too, and a little ugly on the side."
Frank Zappa
Assuming we get Johnson. The T-Wolves need a SF as well and they’re not gonna get Evan Turner. The David Kahn factor is too unpredictable.
Draft the homeless guy who lives near John Wall's place.
At least he might have some good luck around him.
Draft the homeless guy who lives near John Wall's place.
I saw Wall at the lakers game so he’s probably gonna end up with LA in some kind of deal.
Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.
by Skeptic con Urquell on May 18, 2010 10:12 PM PDT up reply actions
Demarcus Cousins!! or some other big guy, because Andirs Bedrins sucks with his foul troubles. Wizards… please, We will get a good piece, im pissed off right now, but i know we will get a good piece no doubt, a Big would be Great,
we should have traded for Amare when we had the chance!!!
I think we can officially stop the Cousins/Favors arguments....sob.
by Only In Fairfax on May 18, 2010 6:09 PM PDT up reply actions
Just hope he falls.
"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."
this is a 5-player draft, isn’t it?
by TimLaser and MattyC on May 18, 2010 6:05 PM PDT reply actions
That's what it looks like and what other "experts" say.
"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."
If we had gotten the third pick, somebody would be calling it a two-player draft - Wall and Turner.
Because a lot of people see a dropoff there.
If we had the 4th pick, somebody would call it a 3-player draft, adding Cousins.
If we had the 5th pick, Cousins/Favors arguments would have ruled the day, making it a four player draft.
Since we have the sixth pick, clearly, Wes Johnson is a top guy. :)
I’d say it’s a four-player draft. I think the drop off is after Wall, Turner, Favors and Cousins.
The Ultimate Opportunist
by Rated-R Superstar on May 18, 2010 7:14 PM PDT up reply actions
I think that's more accurate.
"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."
Hopefully we could land Johnson but i doubt it. We will probably be stuck with Monroe which is ok.Here's how I think it's going to look...
Washington Wizards – john wall
Philadelphia 76ers -evan turner
New Jersey Nets -demarcus cousins
Minnesota Timberwolves -derrick favors
Sacramento Kings – wesley johnson
Golden State Warriors – WHO THE **** CARES
Detroit Pistons – WHO THE **** CARES
LA Clippers – WHO THE **** CARES
Utah Jazz – WHO THE **** CARES
Indiana Pacers – WHO THE **** CARES
New Orleans Hornets – WHO THE **** CARES
Memphis Grizzlies – WHO THE **** CARES
Toronto Raptors – WHO THE **** CARES
Houston Rockets – WHO THE **** CARES
OMG
Kings are going to rape us in a couple of years if we don’t do something big…
by bojangles408 on May 18, 2010 6:07 PM PDT up reply actions
Over at the Sac board they want nothing to do with Johnson, they are desperate for bigs so hopefully there front office agrees with them.
"If God made us in his image then he must be dumb too, and a little ugly on the side."
Frank Zappa
They'll probably get cousins
I doubt the T-Wolves, who desperately need a three, pass up on Johnson.
Well, the Kings seemed pretty jammed at the wing position.
The Ultimate Opportunist
by Rated-R Superstar on May 18, 2010 7:15 PM PDT up reply actions
ESPN Radio?
Did anybody else listen to the coverage on the radio? They announce the Warriors, so I slam my head phones down in disgust.. when I put them back on, they’re talking about the three teams that haven’t been called yet, Nets, Philly and the Warriors. I was shocked and confused, and listened as they talked about how if the Warriors get the number one pick, then they would probably trade Monta.. So now, I’m thinking, maybe I misheard? I hear them announce the Nets, then Philly, I’m getting ready to celebrate, and I hear.. the number one pick to the Wiz. BRUTAL. Yet another reason to hate ESPN.
A fitting end to the Cohan era. At least he won’t be able to bump the value of the franchise up.
by Ice Watter In His Veins! on May 18, 2010 6:06 PM PDT reply actions
Yeah same thing happened for me down in San Diego. Seems like they had a pre-recorded discussion for each of the scenarios and made a huge mistake.
I clearly heard them say GSWs at 6. So I was cautious.
On another note, those announcers were dumb. What, just because we have Curry, we would trade away Wall? DUMB.
i was in the car when this happened
I had been glued to the tv all day and at the last minute had to leave the house just when draft started. When I heard warriors at six I was super ticked off. But then, I thought I must have misheard because they kept talking about warriors being the top three. Then i was getting excited again – and then when they corrected themselves just before final three picks I literally almost crashed my car.
Worst drive ever. Damn ESPN!
Iggy is by far the best player in that deal. Quality > quantity.
by Missing Barry on May 18, 2010 6:37 PM PDT up reply actions
By far is an overstatement. Especially when he’s coming off a down year scoring the basketball and Maggette was out of this world efficient and outrebounded Iggy.
heart of a champion, will of the warrior.
Except that Igoudala is a way better distributor, and that little defense thing? It’s half the game. Igoudala is an excellent defender and Maggette is a pretty bad one. Frankly, it’s not very close.
by Missing Barry on May 18, 2010 6:42 PM PDT up reply actions
I’d take Iggy over Maggs, no doubt, but Maggs is the much better scorer and rebounds the basketball better. He’s not better “by far” just better.
heart of a champion, will of the warrior.
I disagree,
and there is the last factor that Andre is on the right side of 30 and Maggette is not.
Thing B
by warriorsscore110 on May 18, 2010 6:47 PM PDT up reply actions
Actually, looking it up now, Igoudala is the better rebounder. Not sure what you’re looking at, but Iguodala has a career 5.5 reb/36 average compared to 5.1 for Maggette. Iggy was .7 better this past season. I also believe Maggette’s scoring is a bit overrated – he really does kill ball movement and doesn’t do much to get his teammates involved. He’s still a nice offensive player, especially in a 6th man role, don’t get me wrong…..but Iguodala has a complete offensive game, and the defensive difference is huge.
by Missing Barry on May 18, 2010 7:03 PM PDT up reply actions
He’s a tweener, but not in a good way. He’s a tweener because he doesn’t have the skills for either – he can’t rebound, but he also can’t play very effectively on the perimeter. Some guys are tweeners because they have legitimate skills to play a position that you might not expect (Lamar Odom at various points of his career)…..Young is a tweener in a bad way – he’s a tweener because he doesn’t have the skills he needs to play effectively where you’d expect him to.
by Missing Barry on May 18, 2010 7:06 PM PDT up reply actions
He reminds me of Travis Outlaw. Or a better Hakim Warrick.
"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."
Does Warrick play defense at all? His stats across the board offensively/rebounding are better than Young’s. Basically, I’ll tell you this: from watching too many Sixers games this past season, Young can’t shoot, he doesn’t handle it well, he doesn’t rebound well enough to play even a passable 4, his defense isn’t anything special…..he’s like those two guys except without their redeeming qualities. Oh yeah, and in 3 seasons, he hasn’t improved at all……
by Missing Barry on May 18, 2010 7:31 PM PDT up reply actions
Monta and Morrow for Iggy. Keep 6 and draft Monroe. That’s my semi-realistic dream scenario at this point.
by ivanbe on May 18, 2010 7:07 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
If we’d rather have Iggy than Monta + Morrow…..why would they rather have Monta + Morrow than Iggy?
by Missing Barry on May 18, 2010 7:11 PM PDT up reply actions
Now I’m praying that Cousins’ “character issues” scare the top 5 enough that they let him fall to us.
It happened with Paul Pierce in 1998 – he was meant to be a top-5, but teams were scared enough of his conditioning that they let him fall to 10.
Even Curry last year for us.
Pierce is a good example.
Curry is attributed to Minny’s GM not drafting smart. Curry has no character issues.
"Monta is the MAN." -Bob Fitzgerald
by WarriorForLife on May 18, 2010 6:14 PM PDT up reply actions
With Curry...
it wasn’t character issues. A lot of people didn’t know where he would play in the NBA and whether he would fit in, cause they thought he was a very undersized 2 guard.
That I can agree on .
"Monta is the MAN." -Bob Fitzgerald
by WarriorForLife on May 18, 2010 6:46 PM PDT up reply actions
Funny
I remember thinking Curry would definitely be gone when we picked at 7. When our pick came up I thought it was a no brainer…
"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."
Warriors "Awarded" the number 6 pick
The subject of the Warriors official email.. great choice of words.
by Ice Watter In His Veins! on May 18, 2010 6:12 PM PDT reply actions
Aminu at least has some potential.
He could become a decent SF if he improves his shot.
Maybe we can trade the pick to the Nets for enough vodka for the entire Dubs fanbase.
God knows we’re gonna be needing it.
Not happening.
What do we have that the Sixers might take and we’d be willing to give?
Self-hating daydreams...
aren’t good for anyone, bro.
Can't blame you.
I know I’m gonna start hitting the booze. At 11am East Coast time.
Chad Ford has no life
and has his Mock Draft up already. link
Warriors get Aldrich at 6.
Monta Ellis's #1 Fan!!!
If we get Aldrich...
I am giving up on the Warriors. I’m joining my uncle and becoming a Celtics fan. Or I’ll go for the Clippers.
Chad Ford has no life
Dude, that is Chard Ford’s life. It’s his job.
The Ultimate Opportunist
by Rated-R Superstar on May 18, 2010 7:15 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Exactly
If you want to say Chad Ford has no life, tell me why Mel Kiper had his 2011 NFL mock draft up the day after this year’s ended. Without even knowing who is picking where.
15 going on 16. No, it's not a show on TLC. I'm talking about the Lakers!
Iggy to the Dubs seems fairly realistic.
The Sixers are most likely going to take Turner, which would make Iggy expendable. We trade the 6th pick and Biedrins, or Monta, or Maggette to them for Iggy. They get a fresh start, and Iggy gets a fresh start on our team.
Maggette+7th pick for _____________
Any suggestions?
Love Warriors, Hate Cohan! - Sell the team! Save us Mr. Ellison!
maggette has negative value
Nobody wants that contract
Guys, we get Johnson, Aminu, or even Monroe.
I mean…well…aw forget it.
by LarryLegendofOracle on May 18, 2010 6:33 PM PDT reply actions
I hate today with a passion
I was praying for a top 5 pick… but really, Monroe isn’t a bad pick at 6. He’s 6-11 250lbs and he’s still only 19. He has very legit low post and passing skills and I could see him turning into a good player.
The Sixers will probably draft Turner, who will probably play the 2, and then they have Young to play the 3. That leaves Iguodala as the guy to be traded because he has the biggest contract ut of the 3 and they want to rebuild and get some new guys. We give them the 6th pick, and a guy to come near matching the salary of Iguodala (Maggs or Biedrins).
Igoudala is a whole lot better than the 6th pick. Also, Thaddeus Young kinda sucks.
by Missing Barry on May 18, 2010 6:41 PM PDT up reply actions
What do they need Biedrins or Maggs for? It’s a good deal for us. It’s not a good deal for them. They’re rebuilding. We’re rebuilding. If a deal makes sense for us…..well, it probably doesn’t make sense for them for the exact reason it does make sense for us. Also, I’m unsure how much they really like Young. Now, they don’t really talk about the Sixers at all here because this just isn’t a basketball city….but nobody here is excited about him at all, or at least it’s not a subject that ever gets brought up…He just isn’t a very good basketball player right now.
by Missing Barry on May 18, 2010 7:09 PM PDT up reply actions
If Philly wants to go full rebuild
Maybe trading Iggy now is in their plans? They should know they’re not getting anything for Brand.
"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."
Yeah, I could see some situations where trading Iggy makes sense for them. Moves involving taking pieces we want to dump and/or the 6th pick is not one of those situations. All the reasons we have to want to dump those guys and/or the pick are the exact reasons it doesn’t make sense for the Sixers. Now, if you start talking about involving guys like Randolph or Wright….well, it’d be more realistic at least, but we can’t just dump what we don’t want on a team in the same situation as us for something we do want.
by Missing Barry on May 18, 2010 7:34 PM PDT up reply actions
FML. Trade up is the only good option, probably unrealistic. Maybe Monroe is the best pick at 6? Well….whatever, Go Sharks. Consider me fully on their bandwagon.
I’ll take a John Wall while we’re at it. What does this conversation accomplish?
by Missing Barry on May 18, 2010 6:41 PM PDT up reply actions
smaller than we should ever be
Hi Lisa. Hi Super Nintendo Chalmers.
by Reverend_Randy on May 18, 2010 7:03 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, because two good players is a bad thing. PG’s can play SG, SG’s just can’t play PG.
by Missing Barry on May 18, 2010 7:07 PM PDT up reply actions
Technically, Turner also played PG in college at OSU.
He also appears to be barely taller than John Wall who looks shorter than Derrick Rose (if you compare pictures of Rose & Calipari vs Wall & Calipari) & is nowhere near as tall as Wes Johnson who is listed at 6’7" (and no college lists there bball players at a shorter height than they actually are).
by homer simpson on May 18, 2010 11:56 PM PDT up reply actions
(Or we could just wait for combine results)
;)
by Missing Barry on May 19, 2010 5:32 AM PDT up reply actions
Trade Monta or Corey Maggette + pick 6 for Cousins or Favors
Salaries get dumped out so when we do get a new owner, we got a little more money for other players
Potential players to add for 2011 Free Agency (Unrestricted Only)
Big Baby Davis
Caron Butler
Carmelo Anthony
Nene Hilario
Everyones favorites Mike Dunleavy and Troy Murphy
Zack Randolph
Carl Landry
Jason Richardson
So am I the only one
That notices that we lost out on the #1 overall draft pick because we ‘won’ the coin toss with Washington?
No because chances are that had we lost the toss
We would have more likely ended up with the 12th pick!
It is a sad state of mankind, that in the modern age, we have no one with the common sense to think.... 'Lets install some shut off valves in this oil pipeline!'
by BritWarriorGSW on May 18, 2010 6:47 PM PDT up reply actions
That’s not really how it works at all….
by Missing Barry on May 18, 2010 7:09 PM PDT up reply actions
In this case yes
We lost the toss they got a spot behind us and a slightly less chance to get the #1 overall pick. Their combination came up to win. If we lost the toss we would have been at their odds.
But do you understand the concept of ping pong balls? Removing a ping pong ball for us would not have gotten our ping pong ball picked. It would have just meant we had one less ping pong ball that didn’t get chosen……
by Missing Barry on May 18, 2010 7:35 PM PDT up reply actions
Actually......
The way they do it is they select 4 balls, numbered 1-14. Each team gets a certain number of the set of 1000 combinations, distributed according to your probability of getting the number one pick.
Which means that, in theory, if the Warriors had “lost” the toss with the Wizards, they would have gotten the Wizards’ set of combinations while the Wiz got the Warriors’ set. Seeing as that was one of the Wizards’ combinations that came up first, it would have been the Warriors drafting first.
15 going on 16. No, it's not a show on TLC. I'm talking about the Lakers!
Season Ticket Sales Guys all just quit!
:)
It is a sad state of mankind, that in the modern age, we have no one with the common sense to think.... 'Lets install some shut off valves in this oil pipeline!'
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My first choice is to trade the pick
but if we cant, I say we draft Al Farouq Aminu forward from Wake Forest. He was a lock down defender and he has huge upside
Fear is the Mind Killer
Getting 6th is pretty much the worst of all possibilities. If we stay put and make no moves, we don’t get an impact player that we need. With our current product, packaging any of our players with the 6th pick in a trade will not field us any good offers. Downgrading would also be a pretty stupid option. It’s just one conundrum after another.
Meh… I’m gonna go play some 2k10 on my PC while I mull over our bad luck. At least with video games I can make the Warriors win the championship and somehow land the top pick…
On the "bright" side all we have to do is suck for another five years and with that pace we will pick
first in 2015 yay…. (crying)
Forget this draft!
Looking forward to next year.
Harrison Barnes!
Hi Lisa. Hi Super Nintendo Chalmers.
Hell, I wouldn't have faith of the Warriors' chance of winning the lottery...
if they had a 99% shot.
No
but all we have with this franchise is hope for next year. In this case, hope for next-next year.
I’m really bummed about this.
Hi Lisa. Hi Super Nintendo Chalmers.
by Reverend_Randy on May 18, 2010 7:50 PM PDT up reply actions
=( o wells who to take with #6?
im down for monroe or aminu… and you never know johnson might drop into our laps.
by bballinpacisler on May 18, 2010 7:17 PM PDT reply actions
For those wondering if the coin toss with the WIzards affected our results
MT2 puts out a great answer:
[Comment From KDSKDS: ]
So if the Warriors lost the coin flip, that would have been our pick?
Marcus Thompson:
KDS, Actually it means they wouldn’t have. The Warriors and Wizards had to split 207 combinations. They both got 103. The coin flip was to see who would get that one extra. The Warriors won, they got the extra one. So clearly, the combination they flipped for wasn’t the winning combination, because the Warriors would’ve won
So the winning combination was one that the Wizards would have had regardless of the coin toss.
Hey look on the bright side
Without a pick high enough to draft an immediate difference maker we can get a lanky forward with lots of upside, we’ll suck again next year, but we’ll be right back in the lottery next year!
I know what I'm talking about, I started at right guard for the 1992 College Park Falcons.
Yeah, 2007 was so freaking weird until we traded for Wright.
lol.
"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."
The Timberwolves have Flynn, Brewer, Jefferson and Love. They need another wing that can score. So, with that said, dump Monta and the sixth overall pick for Minnesota’s pick. Find a way to make the salaries match. I think we should at least make that effort with them.
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by Rated-R Superstar on May 18, 2010 7:21 PM PDT reply actions
So you’re saying we trade Monta Ellis for bad luck?
Seems like a good plan as long as we can lose enough games next year to get back into the lottery, we’re due I tells ya!
Remember when Don Nelson was a bad coach because he could take any team to the playoffs so he never got a star.. Now he’s not a bad coach for that reason.
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by Johnnysixnut on May 18, 2010 7:25 PM PDT up reply actions
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=2aenvm2
This maybe? Plus the 6ht and 4th involved. We get a good small forward too in Brewer, he can be our perimeter stopper.
Oh, I’d do that in a heartbeat.
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by Rated-R Superstar on May 18, 2010 7:28 PM PDT up reply actions
Same
Curry, Azubuike, Brewer, Randolph, Cousins as a starting lineup would be able to score a bunch, but also contain teams.
Heck, I’d do that deal without Brewer and some other guy making the same amount of salary as him if we still need it to match up.
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by Rated-R Superstar on May 18, 2010 7:33 PM PDT up reply actions
Id probably do it.
I just don’t like Hollins. He’s an idiot on the court. But it’s not a big deal if we’re getting Cousins back and only giving up our pick and Monta, who’s sort of superfluous imo. He’s like the cherry on a sunday but we’re missing the sunday part.
"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."
Why not?
This is the way the whole season went. 2010-11 gotta be better.
Has anyone else seen Chad Ford's mock 2.0
Warriors taking Cole Aldrich. LOL
I believe in Todd Fuller Cole Aldrich!
by Missing Barry on May 18, 2010 7:37 PM PDT up reply actions
One Positive is phili picking #2
Turner and Iggy are too similar of players. I think they will look to deal one. Most likely Iguodala as his contract is huge. Look for some young talent to go with Holiday, Turner, Speights…..
Would you trade Monta, Radman, Randolph for Iggy, Lou Williams and Jason Smith (filler). I think I would.
Ok, i know ou are a Randolph Groupie
Good luck with that. Ask Stromile Swift and Tyrus Thomas how rooting for super athletic brainless power forwards ended up
You’re trying to dump the guy like he’s nothing, though. The best we can do is a “tweener” guard and a scrub?
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by Rated-R Superstar on May 18, 2010 7:30 PM PDT up reply actions
Iguodala?
Efficient score, excellent slasher, highly effective passer (better assist to turnover ratio than Curry and Monta, though i expect Curry to obviously improve), very good rebounder and ELITE perimeter defender.
Behind Brandon Roy, I cannot think of a 2guard I’d want to pair with Curry more.
LAst 4 year’s guys averaged 18+ ppg, 5+ apg, over a 2:1 assist to turnover ratio, near 6 rebounds etc. etc.
but it comes with a huge contract.
by LarryLegendofOracle on May 18, 2010 7:34 PM PDT up reply actions
People don't realize how good he is.
In the Warriors system, complimenting Curry he’d be even better
Well, I didn’t call Iguodala the scrub. I assumed Ellis would net us Iguodala and then the other two would net us Williams and Smith.
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by Rated-R Superstar on May 18, 2010 7:35 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't think Monta can net us anyone near as good as Iggy
Which is why you have to entice with Randolph and take basically CJ watson on a 5 mil per year contract.
Monta and Randolph/Wright would be good.
by LarryLegendofOracle on May 18, 2010 7:36 PM PDT up reply actions
At that point, I don’t know. I’d have to think about it for a while. I am still a believer in Randolph.
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by Rated-R Superstar on May 18, 2010 7:37 PM PDT up reply actions
I don’t think Monta can net us anyone near as good as Iggy
Which is why you have to entice with Randolph
Exactly.
by Missing Barry on May 18, 2010 7:38 PM PDT up reply actions
I think that’s a mighty big piece to entice them with.
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by Rated-R Superstar on May 18, 2010 7:39 PM PDT up reply actions
Is it? What has he exactly proven?
In and out of coaches rotation. Inconsistent play. Attitude problems at times. I think too many Warriors fans are enamored with a) his age and b) physical gifts and tend to overlook all his short comings and how raw he is.
He hasn’t really had a fair chance to prove anything yet. That doesn’t mean he won’t prove that he can really play. When he’s on the floor, I’d say he’s productive. You mentioned his age and physical gifts, which is a major plus each.
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by Rated-R Superstar on May 18, 2010 7:44 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah but at same time....
Would you have traded big for Tyrus Thomas 2 years ago or Jordan hill now? Cause thats about what he’s on par with. Lots of potential.
Comparing him to guys like Swift and Thomas isn’t very meaningful, either, though. Randolph is already better than either of them ever were. Will he develop into a stud? I don’t know, but I know he already rebounds, already shows the ability to score at a good volume and is improving his efficiency (and working on skills that can help him do this more), has all the physical tools to be a good defender, and the age thing really is a good factor for him. He’s not those guys. He’s a very good bet to be a productive player, with the potential to be much more.
by Missing Barry on May 18, 2010 7:46 PM PDT up reply actions
OK fair enough.
Basically what you’re described him as is what you describe Biedrins as. Which i wouldn’t necessarily disagree with. That being said, too many people here seem to have idea he’s magically going to transform to Garnett and I’ve seen zero signs of that other than similar physique
Yeah, I’m not sure how good the chances are that he’ll ever be an impact player, I just want to recognize that he’s at least a very good bet to be a productive role player with some chance to be much more than that.
by Missing Barry on May 18, 2010 7:55 PM PDT up reply actions
Depends on your definition of “high”. Still think he’s in the perfect situation for his skills, and it makes him a more effective player.
by Missing Barry on May 18, 2010 8:04 PM PDT up reply actions
Can we change our answer from KG
to a Josh Smith/Marcus Camby hybrid?
"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."
Probably. Maybe they’d like Wright instead, though I can’t imagine his trade value is all that high at the moment.
by Missing Barry on May 18, 2010 7:43 PM PDT up reply actions
That's what sucks.
All of our “assets” are hurt!
AB = pulled hoo-ha
Monta = missed a lot of games
Maggette = hamsting or pinky pull waiting to happen
Wright = Missing an arm. If found please call the Warriors
AR = Same as above, just add ankle instead of arm
Azu = Exploding knee cap disease.
"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."
Woah woah
You get ONE kneecap exploded and suddenly you have the disease?! We aren’t the Trailblazers, we don’t have the cooties for that in our locker room.
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by Reverend_Randy on May 18, 2010 9:40 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, if I was running a team besides the Warriors, the only player on the Warriors with any real trade value would be Randolph. With Wright’s injury, and age/contract/injury issues for the other guys (and Kelenna just not being that good or oozing with "potential)…..there’s just not much on the Warriors that’s desireable right now.
by Missing Barry on May 19, 2010 5:34 AM PDT up reply actions
(Curry obviously has trade value too but we’re not trading him so no point in including him)
by Missing Barry on May 19, 2010 5:41 AM PDT up reply actions
Anyway not going to lie. Alot of it depends where the likes of Udoh or Monroe grade out
I have not given up in Brandan Wright. I still think he willo be better than Randolph.
Randolph?
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by Rated-R Superstar on May 18, 2010 7:29 PM PDT up reply actions
HOLD ON IM CONFUSED
DIDNT WE JUST HAD A COIN TOSS WITH THE WIZARDS TO GET THE FOURTH PICK? WTH!?
by goaldenstateboy on May 18, 2010 7:31 PM PDT reply actions
Those odds certainly didn’t help us any at all.
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by Rated-R Superstar on May 18, 2010 7:33 PM PDT up reply actions
Warriors and incompetence go hand in hand.
And, incompetence thy name is Cohan.
"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."
What if cousins falls because he projects as a lazy childish Prima Dona, would you guys wan that guy?
I know what I'm talking about, I started at right guard for the 1992 College Park Falcons.
I’d take a chance on Cousins over anyone that would be available with the sixth pick.
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by Rated-R Superstar on May 18, 2010 7:37 PM PDT up reply actions
I would take him BECAUSE of that!
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by Reverend_Randy on May 18, 2010 7:54 PM PDT up reply actions
I’d take the zombie hooker corpse in the late 2nd
I know what I'm talking about, I started at right guard for the 1992 College Park Falcons.
by Johnnysixnut on May 18, 2010 8:27 PM PDT up reply actions
I'll take the shovel in the supplemental round.
"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."
NBADraft.net has the Kings taking Monroe and us taking Cousins
Don’t think it’ll happen, but Monroe kind of does have a Kings look to him.
NBADraft.net is big on bashing Cousins mental make up
I can’t see kings taking him if those ‘claims’ are true. But who is to say they are?
DeMarcus Cousins, Wesley Johnson, or Al-Farouq Aminu
1. Washington – Wall Pg – This will be the pick. No question about it.
2. Philadelphia – Turner Sf – Favors may end up here, but Turner is here for now.
3. New Jersey – Favors Pf – Could be the best talent in the draft.
4. Minnesota – Johnson Sf – Minnesota will not pick Cousins here unless they trade him.
5. Sacramento – Cousins C – Sacramento will pick Aminu if Cousins goes #4.
6. Golden State – Aminu Sf – Could package this pick with a player.
I think Aminu will be a better player than Johnson. But Johnson will be better right away. I also think Cousins might fall to us.
Minnesota might take Cousins, Sacramento then will take Aminu. That would leave us picking Johnson.
We trade Johnson and a player to Minnesota for Cousins.
Most likely to drop to the 6th pick
Wes Johnson.
Big men as a rule get taken high. Older wing players don’t. Brandon Roy went 6th in 2006.
Wes will be 23. Wes, welcome to Golden State.
Either way I see the Queens as the nagging hag in our ear.
They’ll take what we want just as we get excited. I guarantee it.
"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."
Great, another good passing C, exactly what we need! (Biedrins and Ronny are both very good passers)
I have to say, I’m pretty disappointed by this result…..
by Missing Barry on May 18, 2010 8:13 PM PDT up reply actions
Monroe has a good jumper
with potential to be better.
her per 36….
16.9 points
10.1 rebounds
4 assists
.570 TS%
with incredibly high skill level. I am atleast intriqued. It’s REALLY hard to translate a guy in Princeton offense to NBA game particularly Warriors system.
Yes, and let's disregard that Monroe is already a better offensive player.
Well, I guess that’s not fair yet, but I just don’t see how Monroe can’t be more effective one-on-one than either Ronny or Andris.
"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."
I can't really gauge his athletism which will be key
He doesn’t have to be Amare to be effective. I tend to believe he’s in realm of guys like Gasol, but if he’s a lot slower and flat footed it could be a problem. However I do believe too many people put too much of an emphasis on it. Look at our last draft picks. Who has been the besT? Curry, pretty sure he’s worst athlete of bunch. Even Tyreke at sac isn’t exactly Derrick Rose, but I’d certainly prefer him
Which Gasol?
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by Reverend_Randy on May 18, 2010 10:56 PM PDT up reply actions
The problem is basketball isn’t a one on one game. It’s a 5 on 5 game, and Biedrins does plenty of stuff in 5 on 5 basketball to be productive offensively. Is there any reason to think Monroe will have any semblance of a 1 on 1 game AND do the little things Biedrins does to make him better overall? Calling Monroe a better offensive player is really, really underrating what our guys do.
by Missing Barry on May 19, 2010 5:36 AM PDT up reply actions
Monroe had a .61 and a .57 TS% putting near 17 points per 36 and averaged 4 assists per 36 his sophomore year.
At minimum he’s intriguing. I dunno how much of him you’ve watched….. For me, it’s hard to gauge, cause some games he can look like a guy who should be #1 overall, and others he looks like a poor man’s brad miller.
nbadraft.net put his comparison as ‘less athletic/taller Lamar Odom’…. for a variety of reasons I like that comparison to tell the story on him
Those would be nice numbers if he was doing them in the NBA. Doing them in college? Color me unimpressed.
So he can pass. That’s good. He also might have good size, and of course his age is a big plus. Other than that…? What would we expect him to give us that Biedrins doesn’t? I also don’t like the Odom comparison at all, because Odom’s athleticism is an important part of his game, and Odom has legitimate handles to play out on the wing and be a versatile matchup problem…..what about that does Monroe have? Doesn’t seem like a similar player at all – just a good passer. I mean….I’d probably take Monroe because really, what better options are we going to have? I’m just not going to be all that thrilled about it. The problem is really that we have the #6 pick, and there’s just not all that much we should expect out of it.
by Missing Barry on May 19, 2010 7:58 AM PDT up reply actions
Yeah see I'm just not ready to write him off cause of Athletism
Majority of top bigs in NBA lack elite athleticism. Duncan (never had it), Pau Gasol doesn’t, Dirk never had it. Amare does and so does Dwight Howard and to a degree there game became limited because of no need to work harder. Even at other positions, it’s proven if you know how to play basketball, you can make up for athletic limitations. Paul Pierce is a favorite example for me. He won’t burn anyone, but he knows how to use his body to get everywhere on the court and every shot he wants.
I recall Brook Lopez fell because of perceived lack of athleticism, and people weren’t high on Marc Gasol for same reasons too.
I’m not saying draft Monroe cause he’s not an elite athlete! Of course not. But I’m tired of the mantra here if a guy doesn’t have a 40 inch vertical he can’t be good. We drafted Randolph and have seen almost zero improvement. On the contrary we took Curry (completely different player) but look at results.
Now I simply don’t know enough about Monroe in terms of work ethic and mentality, which will go farthest in determining how good he can be. But I am intrigued by an extremely good skill set, great back to basket game and improvement from year 1 to 2, mainly in the post and rebounding. But it wouldn’t surprise me if he ended up being 1 of the top 3 players in the draft. His basketball IQ is probably highest behind Wall and Turner and easily highest of any big. That’s not something to write off just yet….
I think our disagreement is in just how good Monroe’s skillset/basketball IQ are. I’m not impressed with anything but his passing. You want a skillset? Look at a guy like Omar Samhan who averaged 21.3 points and 10.9 rebounds per game in 2 less minutes than Monroe, who only averaged 16.1 and 9.6. Look at the difference in their TO’s and blocks (3.3 to 2.1 in favor of Samhan, 2.9 to 1.5 in favor of Samhan, respectively). It’s not the lack of athleticism that’s the problem. It’s the lack of skills. Players with skills should tear college up, especially if you’re 7’0. Monroe didn’t. He can pass. He’s big. He’s young. Other than that? He’s really not that good of a basketball player, at least it doesn’t seem like it to me.
by Missing Barry on May 19, 2010 9:13 AM PDT up reply actions
lol
He was pretty dominant in the Big East IMO. Funny you compare him to Omar Samhan who played in WCC a conference with no one near his size.
Competition level is definitely a fair point, I’m just not seeing any evidence suggesting he was “pretty dominant”? If he was rebounding like DeJuan Blair did last year, that would be one thing….but he’s just not.
(For the record, I have my reasons for using Samhan as the comparison, it wasn’t just random)
by Missing Barry on May 19, 2010 10:25 AM PDT up reply actions
Say no to Monroe
Aminu is a dynamic talent. He is only a little older than Cousins. He could be a younger cheaper Iguodala. His shot is coming along nicely and he can be a defensive force. Monroe will not work in running offense. Not a great defender at the college-level. It hurts him to put on weight and is not dominant. Does not have great post skills. With players like Aldrich and Monroe, I feel like we could do better or at least as well scrounging the D league again. If we are going to pick a player at #6, we might as well pick one who can be an above average starter.
He could be a younger cheaper Iguodala.
uhhh aminu averaged 1.4 assists. Iggy’s second year in college he averaged 4.9
It's easy to forget how good of a passer Iggy is, apparently
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by Reverend_Randy on May 18, 2010 8:46 PM PDT up reply actions
Absolutely
I love Iggy
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by Reverend_Randy on May 18, 2010 9:40 PM PDT up reply actions
I feel like we could do better or at least as well scrounging the D league again
Now, you could be right that those two aren’t all that good…..but being talked about as a top 10 prospect is a whole lot better than looking for a big man in the D league. In just about every single case, if a big man can play basketball even a little capably, he’s already in the NBA. That’s why guys like Aldrich/Monroe get picked so high – because bigs capable of producing at an acceptable rate just aren’t out there to find and pick up.
by Missing Barry on May 18, 2010 8:47 PM PDT up reply actions
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