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Taking the idea from my boy fooch at ninersnation.com, I asked the folks at SB Nation Blog "Casual Hoya" their thoughts on Greg Monroe from their perspective. Its interesting because they watched him every day and probably know him best. Here are the responses I got....Take what you want from this but I think it would be great to do this for the 5 or so guys we could take with the #6 pick....

 

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Monroe will be a good pro. I’m a big believer that if you excel at one thing, you will be a good pro. In Monroe’s case, it is passing. He sees the floor about as well as any person I’ve ever watched, point guards included. He would fit in well with Nellie’s run-n-gun style offense. He also will be unselfish enough to dish to Curry and Ellis, and his ability to play at the top of the key will help stretch a defense, creating room for Ellis and Curry to slash without fear of a big man.

At the same time, the Warriors already have two skinny big men lefties in Brandan Wright and Anthony Randolph, so it seems like a bit of an odd choice. Wright has been a disappointment, but I always read that Randolph is one of the most explosive players in the league. Not sure how they all fit, maybe Monroe and Randolph would complement one another?

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by Jeff Green's Dad on May 21, 2010 1:18 PM EDT reply actions  

Motivation Argument

He gets dinged all the time for being too passive and lacking motivation. I think those arguments are poppycock. He is not going to be a Kobe, Durant, LeBron type player so there will be no need for him to “take over the game,” in the NBA, something that idiot analysts like Gottlieb consistently harped on. despite the fact Monroe won Georgetown many games over the season.

In a situation where he is a role player on a team, I think he will excel. Double/double, 4-5 assists, 2-3 block type numbers.

His problem will be on defense when he gets pulled out of the paint by taller and quicker opponents. He isn’t quick but has good footwork.

He doesn’t have the hype Cousins and Favors have, but he also doesn’t have the bust potential that comes with those types of players. Monroe is fundamentally a great all-around basketball player, something that does not get enough credit in the score-first NBA.

Good talk.
Casual Hoya

by Hire Esherick on May 21, 2010 1:33 PM EDT reply actions  

This year he was very good on the defensive glass

Something that I thought was overlooked. There were several teams who just could not get a rebound because greg was swallowing up everything. I thought his rebounding was his biggest improvement over his rookie year. Good hands, but turnover prone b/c of desicion making.

Solid post defender. Gave fits to everyone who tried to post on him, but not as good on the permiter and not a help side shot blocker type.

by bunk moreland on May 21, 2010 1:51 PM EDT reply actions  

Not the best fit

for two reasons. Dont see Monroe excelling in a fast break only offense because speed is not his stength. secondly, his strength is his passing, and the warriors do precious little of it. As far as i can tell, everytime Ellis gets the ball, it’s the last time someone on his team touches it until a rebound. Monroe will excell on a team of players like him, unselfish…not the Warriors.

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Good stuff. Interesting to hear what people who really followed him this year think. I thought the argument that “the Warriors don’t have enough passers, so they shouldn’t add a good one” was kind of funny (and not exactly true). Thanks for doing the legwork on this one.

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by cap'n hack on May 21, 2010 2:03 PM PDT reply actions  

for sure

anything to help us figure out who we think the dubs should pick. If enough people are interested, I will be willing to reach out to other teams and do similar things for other possible selections….Who else would you all like to hear about?

ps. I just really dont want to look into Al-Farouq Aminu, because I really REALLY dont want us to select him :)

by cuse7284 on May 21, 2010 2:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

Haha

We all have one prospect we DON’t want the Dubs to draft.

"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."

by kenntoe on May 21, 2010 2:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

. I just really dont want to look into Al-Farouq Aminu, because I really REALLY dont want us to select him :)

I really like Aminu. REALLY.
6-8. 7-4 wingspan. that’s incredible. He also has a lot of lateral quickness, rebounds really well, is very athletic and explosive, and has time to grow nicely. He’s pretty good offensively and can shoot. But don’t let him dribble too much. He can fix that for sure though.

by LarryLegendofOracle on May 21, 2010 2:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

Sounds a lot like Anthony Randolph no?
6-8. 7-4 wingspan. that’s incredible. He also has a lot of lateral quickness, rebounds really well, is very athletic and explosive, and has time to grow nicely.

“Long, lanky forward with a great deal of upside … His length and agility makes him very unique playing on the wing … Highly versatile. He has a vast array of offensive abilities, especially impressive considering his age: Randolph has a tremendous handle and gets to the basket extremely well off the bounce” from NBAdraft.net in 2008

by cuse7284 on May 21, 2010 2:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

Aminu is an SF. And he can play defense. Randolph can’t. And he doesn’t keep himself off the floor by fouling. And he’s really athletic. And he’s pretty good as a scorer. Randolph isn’t even that good right now. With a good big man, Aminu will really shine.

by LarryLegendofOracle on May 21, 2010 2:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

hmmm

Coming into draft Randolph, a SF, 6-10, 197 LBS. Aminu, also a SF, -6-8, 216. No thanks

by cuse7284 on May 21, 2010 4:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

Randolph an SF? Have you ever seen him play?

by bleep on May 21, 2010 9:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

here, let me show you some thing Aminu can do already that Randolph can’t:

Ability to get to free throw line
- Mismatch Potential
- Transition play
- Ability to put ball on floor
- Makes quick moves in the post
- Ability to contest shots
- Commitment to playing defense
- Lateral quickness
- Versatility to defend multiple positions
- Coachable

- Energy/Intensity
- Huge upside
- Strong Intangibles
- Positional versatility
- Young for class
- Ability to finish around basket
- Excellent wingspan
- Freakish athleticism
- Solid frame
- Excellent rebounder

Now, his weaknesses:

- Shot-selection
- Stuck between 3 and 4
- Turnover prone
- Advanced ball-handling skills
- Left hand
- Experience
- Not ready to contribute immediately
- 3-point range
- 3-point shooting percentages
- Ability to shoot off the dribble

Is there anything there that Randolph doesn’t still have in his bundle of weaknesses except the left hand?
Don’t think so. Don’t get me wrong. Randolph’s a stud. But Aminu is a gem. 4-5 years from now he could be our best defender. I think Aminu will be a 3 though. He and Randolph together…god.

by LarryLegendofOracle on May 21, 2010 3:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

thing from this list doesnt make sense

Commitment to playing defense? Randolph could be our best defender!

by cuse7284 on May 21, 2010 4:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

Randolph could be our best defender!

Randolph is the worst defender on the team, and it’s not close.
He fouls too much.
No fundamentals.
His lateral quickness is horrible.
No effort.
Out of control.

He could be our best defender…if he could, and he tried.

by LarryLegendofOracle on May 24, 2010 2:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

Al Farouq Aminu has the same standing reach as Gregory Monroe

Forget Monroe- He has the same standing reach as Brandan Wright.

by LarryLegendofOracle on May 24, 2010 2:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

Aminu...

What scares me about him is his ball handling, its pretty poor, he’s athletic as hell, just unskilled…reminds me of a taller Michel Pitetrus, but not nearly as good of a shooter

by Brothaplease09 on May 21, 2010 3:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

What scares me about him is his ball handling, its pretty poor, he’s athletic as hell, just unskilled…reminds me of a taller Michel Pitetrus, but not nearly as good of a shooter

Aminu’s really good on defense. Pietrus is good, but doesn’t have as much upside as Aminu. Pietrus doesn’t have the freak body Aminu has and doesn’t have the intangibles, post moves, or versatility to become an elite defender the way Aminu does. Aminu can shoot it, but I agree. Pietrus has become much better under Van Gundy as a shooter.

by LarryLegendofOracle on May 21, 2010 3:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

Aminu strikes me as one of the more interesting prospects in the draft. Interesting as in, “I really have no idea what to expect out of him in the NBA.” He was really productive in college and definitely has the athleticism to compete, but he doesn’t really have a position and we’ve seen that really cause problems for guys. I don’t think he’ll be a total bust, because players who rebound, run and jump like him tend to have some place on a team, but is he a smaller Ty Thomas or is he Josh Smith? Tough to say. And I’ll be interested to see how he does in the years to come.

That said, Cousins wins the “Most Interesting Prospect” contest, hands down. The upside, the downsize, the frame, the immaturity—it’s all immense.

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by cap'n hack on May 21, 2010 3:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

"I really have no idea what to expect out of him in the NBA." He was really productive in college and definitely has the athleticism to compete, but he doesn’t really have a position and we’ve seen that really cause problems for guys.

I think Aminu will be able to handle as he gets older in the NBA. He’s 19. I wouldn’t exactly expect the world out of him. He doesn’t have handles, but he has the potential to be one of the best defenders in the league, if not the best.
He’s big at 6-8, his length and 7-4 is not human, he’s a great defensive rebounder, he’s committed, he has the lateral quickness, he has a bundle of athleticism, and he is coach able and hard working. I don’t know. I think he’ll be just great.

by LarryLegendofOracle on May 21, 2010 4:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

Aminu should play the 3

If Aminu is a 3, then he is not a Randolph clone. He could be the elite wing defender a team needs to compete in the West.

by pericles31081 on May 21, 2010 3:01 PM PDT reply actions  

Wow

They have to give Monroe a serious look…he’s a legit 6’11 in shoes and weighs 247…basically 250, skilled big man. Thats the pick. He’s taller than Cousin’s and Cole Aldrich…http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-pre-draft-measurements/?page=&year=2010&sort2=DESC&draft=0&pos=0&sort=2

by Brothaplease09 on May 21, 2010 3:58 PM PDT reply actions  

Taller by 1/2 inch.

Could be a longer neck. I think all agree that Cousins is bigger than Monroe.

"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."

by kenntoe on May 21, 2010 4:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

That's not what I'm basing my pick on

Monroe is more of a sure thing and can play center, while Aminu is a big unknown. Plus this drafts deepest position is wing players. We might be able to get a guy like Robinson or Pondexter in the second round.

by duballers23 on May 21, 2010 4:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

Standing reach

makes it look like he’s more of a PF than a C.
I don’t think we want anything to do with the second round wing players. None of them come close to the defensive potential of Aminu.

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by Reverend_Randy on May 21, 2010 4:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don' thnik Aminu is going to be that much better of a defender than Pondexter, Ebanks, and Robinson.

There are some big red flags for Aminu too. He hasn’t shown that he can knock down a jumper on a consistent basis. That’s probably why he elected to not participate in shooting drills at the combine. Same thing goes for his ball handling and not participating in those drills. Some people also question his passive attitude, and him not really taking charge at Wake Forest where he was obviously the most talented guy. If he shows that he has improved those things in workouts, then I will change my mind, but until then he is still a big question mark.

by duballers23 on May 21, 2010 5:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

In response

there were some questions of rather Monroe was even a legit 6-9, and the idea of him being shorter dropped his stock…no need to start talking neck lengths and etc guys

by Brothaplease09 on May 21, 2010 6:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

like how Dwight has basically the same standing reach as Olden

even though he’s 2" shorter?

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by Reverend_Randy on May 21, 2010 6:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

Could be a longer neck

Cousins’ standing reach is much higher.

by LarryLegendofOracle on May 24, 2010 2:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

that’s okay. it’s not outrageous & it means under an NBA training regimen, he could get a lot stronger & faster than he already is.

by homer simpson on May 21, 2010 4:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

"He’s taller than Cousin’s and Cole Aldrich…"

standing reach is much more important, imo. the higher your standing reach the more you’re going to deter a lot more shots w/o having to leave your feet.

Cousins is 9’5", Aldrich 9’3.5", Monroe only 9"0.5"

by homer simpson on May 21, 2010 4:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well...

not only is he the same height as Aldrich and Cousins…he has more playmaking ability and thats whats attractive about Monroe…to HELL with all your “standing reach” blah blah…whats Brandon Wright’s standing reach?? And how’s he doing in the LEAGUE?? Nuff said…

by Brothaplease09 on May 21, 2010 6:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

You have it backwards

height is practically irrelevant. Standing reach is what matters.
What’s Dwight’s standing reach? What’s his height? NUFF SAID

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by Reverend_Randy on May 21, 2010 6:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

Whats Brandon Wrights problem then?? Reverend since your so damn smart…

by Brothaplease09 on May 21, 2010 6:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

That he's had a lot of injuries

no one anecdote and break the general rule ts that standing reach>height. Cousins is so incredible because he’s only 6’9.5" out of shoes, but has a standing reach of 9’5". Durant is kind of the same way.

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by Reverend_Randy on May 21, 2010 6:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

Height is far from irrelevant…you have it backwards

by Brothaplease09 on May 21, 2010 6:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

I mean, think about it a little more:

You don’t rebound with your head. You don’t block shots with your head. You don’t pass your head.

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by Reverend_Randy on May 21, 2010 6:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

*with your

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by Reverend_Randy on May 21, 2010 6:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

Wow…so success of a basketball player depends on how long his arms are and thats it??? You can’t be serious…BROTHAPLEASE!!!!! Im officially done responding to any comments you make

by Brothaplease09 on May 21, 2010 6:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

Are you just that loud and obnoxious?

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by GovernorStephCurry on May 21, 2010 6:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

Lol

No, just that it’s more important than height. Are you stupid or just being obtuse?

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by Reverend_Randy on May 21, 2010 6:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hmm.

Remind me again who started first brought up the importance of measurements?

They have to give Monroe a serious look…he’s a legit 6’11 in shoes

So success as a basketball player depends on how far the top of his head is off the ground when he’s wearing shoes?

Brothaplease: You’ve amply demonstrated that you’re a troll/tool with close to zero ability to follow a simple argument from one post to the next, and no real interest in anything other than stirring up stuff. Can you officially be done making comments … period?

There will be no extra point!

by Sleepy Freud on May 21, 2010 6:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

And sleepy Freud...

your mothers an astronaut…dweeb, but thats not what I’m here for, all Im saying is the Warriors need size down low. Greg Monroe has size and happens to be skilled…looks like a fit, if one had to choose between Greg and Aminu.

by Brothaplease09 on May 21, 2010 8:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

all Im saying is the Warriors need size down low

That’s not all you were saying. If it were, you wouldn’t have rankled three separate posters, none of whom had anything to gain by supporting Aminu over Monroe. And if your point were really about “size down low,” you might have noted (or at least allowed) that Aminu is a better rebounder than Monroe, with the same standing reach, and a two-inch longer wingspan. Most accounts seem to depict him as more aggressive overall, and more willing/able to get after it on D. He also seems to to have the agility to guard 3s or even 2s, something I haven’t heard about Monroe, and something the team also could use (more, I suspect, than they could use a third left-handed power forward). Monroe, for his part, seems to get more props for his offensive smoothness, polish and passing skills.

Overall, they seem pretty close. I don’t think it’s unreasonable at all to have a preference for Monroe; but if you argue your preference in a fair way, without being a complete douchenozzle about it, people are a whole lot more likely to be persuaded by it.

There will be no extra point!

by Sleepy Freud on May 21, 2010 9:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

Look

Sleepy!! You invited yourself into this, I tried to give you an out but I see you want to continue…First, did you go to Wake Forest?? because you seem to know an awful lot about Aminu than everyone else, mind you (everyone reads the same material from draftexpress, espn, etc.) and all you have, just like me, is your interpretation of the material (and a few youtube videos) to evaluate Aminu! From the video, I viewed a very athletic kid, who’s raw offensively, passive personality…could he be a great defender, SURE! but for the #6 pick, I think Monroe offers more…I give my thoughts for fun NUM NUTTS, while your attemping to be the Mel Kiper of college basketball, go find something sharp, and fall on it SleepyFreud…

by Brothaplease09 on May 21, 2010 11:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

Brotha-Please-STOP trolling.

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by GovernorStephCurry on May 21, 2010 11:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

OMG

Troll is the most used word at GSoM.

by caseycheesecake on May 22, 2010 11:22 AM PDT up reply actions  

No it isn't

stats is.
And he is clearly being a troll.
I say

So a guy who has a big head is more useful than a guy with long arms?

And he responds
Wow…so success of a basketball player depends on how long his arms are and thats it???

That just doesn’t follow.

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by Reverend_Randy on May 22, 2010 4:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

They both look like equally stupid statements.

by caseycheesecake on May 22, 2010 5:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

Thanks

You’re such a good poster here. I wonder what we’d do without you.

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by Reverend_Randy on May 22, 2010 5:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

Brandan Wright’s standing reach is 9"0.5" same as Monroe’s & 4.5" shorter than Cousins’.

But Wright’s real problem is that he doesn’t have an NBA body.

His #’s are actually fairly efficient, but he has trouble holding his position in the post both offensively & defensively. minimizing his effectiveness in both areas. it also hurts him on the defensive glass.

by homer simpson on May 21, 2010 6:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

yes, those long arms can be pushed aside.

by Balance on May 22, 2010 5:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

I change my mind on Monroe. I do think Aminu is the best fit for this team. Not because of this post but because we dont have anybody on our team that can guard Durant and Melo and the Better wings in the league. So i can admit when im wrong. Aminu would be better for this team.

by J-RIDAH on May 21, 2010 4:42 PM PDT reply actions  

So … whom would you prefer? It’s easy enough to point out a young player’s flaws. We’re not finding the next Lew Alcindor at #6.

There will be no extra point!

by Sleepy Freud on May 21, 2010 5:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

LEWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW

id prefer monroe. Hes more NBA ready and can help fill a need right now. I dont want another pietrius type pick. Kid looked awful today at combine

by cuse7284 on May 21, 2010 8:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

Kid looked awful today at combine

In what way?

Monroe […] can help fill a need right now.

I guess that’s where we differ. Between Randolph and Wright, I’m not really seeing the need for another skilled-but-flawed lefty big man with upside. What do you think he provides that those two don’t? Whose minutes do you want him getting?

From what I’ve read and seen, Pietrus probably isn’t a horrible comp for Aminu. I’d be pretty OK with a bigger, longer, better rebounding version of MP2.

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by Sleepy Freud on May 21, 2010 9:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

Monroe, I think, would likely play most or all of his minutes at center, taking the majority of his minutes from Biedrins and Turiaf. What he provides that they do not: the ability make decisions from the high post, stretch the defense, and open up driving lanes for Monta and Curry. Nellie tried using Randolph for that role last year, but because he can’t pass the ball, his only option was to shoot that extended midrange j, which I think caused most of us to cringe. Monroe was put on this earth for that role.

His rebounding is a bit worrisome. I’m glad to hear from one of those G-town commenters that his defensive rebounding was excellent, although the numbers don’t really corroborate his take.

I think I should be excited about Aminu, but I’m not. I follow him on Twitter, and frankly, he’s a bit of a bonehead. Another trait in common w/ MP2?

by ivanbe on May 22, 2010 1:07 AM PDT up reply actions  

He'd probably get all the minutes

considering how often those bigs are injured.

by caseycheesecake on May 22, 2010 11:23 AM PDT up reply actions  

I dont want another pietrius type pick.

Aminu is not Pietrus.
Aminu is a lock-down defender and can guard multiple positions. He may as well end up the type of player able to guard all 5 positions.
Pietrus was used by the Warriors of all teams, to be an ‘energy’ defender.
Aminu is an above average rebounder and a guy that can crash the glass pretty well.
Pietrus has grabbed an impressive 3.3 rpg for his career.
Aminu is arguably as athletic as anyone else in this draft and has a freakish body.
Pietrus is just a freak and a misfit socially.
Aminu can play the 3 and the 4 because of his size.
Pietrus can only play the 2, and even then he doesn’t have the skills to play it in streches.
Aminu’s ceiling is extremely high.
Pietrus’ peaked a year ago when he hit 3 3’s in a row.

Hes more NBA ready and can help fill a need right now

I disagree. Monroe really isn’t the type of prospect to come in and help immediately. He’s not a liability defensively like Randolph and Wright are, but he’s not a defensive-minded big. He’s not going to foul out of games, but he’s not going to be the type of player we need. According the DraftExpress, Monroe “can become passive at times.”, but I disagree. I think some players just like to pass and run the offense. Then again, he could just lack killer instinct.

by LarryLegendofOracle on May 23, 2010 7:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

I'm tired of hearing "Upside"

We’ve got enough of it on this team.

by SmittytheCutman on May 21, 2010 6:27 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

So at pick 6 tell me a instant impact player. I cant think of any that would start.

by J-RIDAH on May 21, 2010 7:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yes I want players without any upside as well.

go rowand

by lincypoo i wuv u on May 24, 2010 9:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

Sorry sir But at pick #6 all u will get is a player with upside. The instant impact players are off the board unless somebody falls. At some point this team has to address perimeter defense. And since we no longer have Raja Bell and wont sign Ronnie Brewer or Travis Outlaw we gotta address it now. If All Aminu can do is guard Kevin Durant and Carmelo Anthony and the better 3’s in the league then he is worth the pick. A defender who can rebound aswell as finish is just what we need. I dont think he can be on the same team as Steph and A-Mo and not develop a jumper. Steph would have alot more assists with a finisher like him.

by J-RIDAH on May 21, 2010 7:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

I change my mind on Monroe. I do think Aminu is the best fit for this team. Not because of this post but because we dont have anybody on our team that can guard Durant and Melo and the Better wings in the league. So i can admit when im wrong. Aminu would be better for this teeam.



No body can guard those guys in this league and it is GROSSLY unreasonable to think that an undrafted rookie could.

by Balance on May 22, 2010 5:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

Right now he can better than Anybody on our squad.

by J-RIDAH on May 22, 2010 6:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

There is even a couple mock drafts saying the kings take Aminu, with the T-wolves most likely taking Johnson because of Flynn wanting him and they alreaddy have two legit bigs.. if it comes down to it, Cousins or Monroe? keep in mind Cousins speaks his mind, he could be the next Stephen Jackson and be out by Christmas..

by GSW Fan4Life on May 21, 2010 5:40 PM PDT reply actions  

Umm

I don’t think the TImberwolves give a damn who Johnny Flynn likes in the draft…

by Brothaplease09 on May 21, 2010 6:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

If u pass on Demarcus Cousins at 6th your job as a GM is over.

by J-RIDAH on May 21, 2010 7:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

keep in mind Cousins speaks his mind, he could be the next Stephen Jackson and be out by Christmas..

or he could just say we’re in the playoffs come spring? If he speaks his mind it’s probably the truth? most guys don’t “speak their mind” about bullshit? Cuz dropping to 6th would be a gift as great as Stef dropping to 7th last year, we’d be fools not to take it.

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by Skeptic con Urquell on May 21, 2010 8:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

I have a feeling Monroe will go 3 - 5 this year

If Prokorov really wants to win now like he said Monroe could be the pick over Favors, Monoe also has that Kings formula and would fit the triangle in Minny.

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by dubzfan on May 21, 2010 11:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don’t think he deserves to, but i agree, Kahn could make another stupid decision.

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by GovernorStephCurry on May 22, 2010 12:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

Those Kings are gone.

We don’t have a high-post, Princeton offense anymore.

It left with Adelman.

by caseycheesecake on May 22, 2010 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

Its well documented the Kings do not wantany more knuckle heads

in the lockeroom and the No.1 knucklehead this year is Cousins. It appears Cousins will be there for the W’s at 6.

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by StinkyFingers on May 22, 2010 11:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

Even if it goes against what they don't want? (Knuckleheads)

Some feel as though Monroe is better though, more skills and variety and less of a chance of busting. Some feel as though Aminu is better than Monroe and Cuz since he is so good defensively and has a very high ceiling. It all depends on Geoff’s preference, plus we still have not done individual workouts

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by dubzfan on May 24, 2010 12:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

They badly need Cousins or Johnson.
They need perimeter shooting and athleticism or they need a post presence to balance their offense.

by LarryLegendofOracle on May 24, 2010 2:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

Monroe vs Johnson

As much as I like Wes Johnson’s game, I’m leaning toward Greg Monroe being the best fit. He is legit 6’11, big problem last year was lack of bigs.He was the #1 junior in H.S., fell some his senior year, but that could have been because he didn’t play a lot of summer ball. Will probably mean a trade of either Wright or Randolph, unless Wright plays SF.
With Johnson I don’t know how much potential he has over Reggie Williams who is about the same age. Wes is ahead defensively, but I’ve always believed that Coaching philosophy has as much to do with a team’s defense as anything. So as much as I like Wes Johnson and what he can do I think Monroe’s skills might be better suited for GS. Wonder if 3 or 4 left handers on the court at once could be a problem?

by lrus on May 22, 2010 11:52 AM PDT reply actions  

If they drafted Monroe it wouldn't mean a trade of either Wright or Randolph.

Monroe without a doubt would play center. If anybody were to be traded it would be either Biedrins or Turiaf.

by duballers23 on May 22, 2010 2:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

To me, Monroe is what Randolph is trying to be.

Last year, Nelson was working with Randolph to become a Point-Forward. Now he doesn’t have to do that with Monroe on the team is we pick him. Randolph can just focus on becoming a scorer and a defensive presence.

by Spee-D on May 22, 2010 2:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

Good point

Monore can do that, but also guard centers because he’d be the biggest guy on the team.

by duballers23 on May 22, 2010 3:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

Biedrins is Bigger. So is Turiaf.

by J-RIDAH on May 22, 2010 3:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

Also much longer

at least in the case of Biedrins. Monroe really isn’t especially long.

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by Reverend_Randy on May 22, 2010 4:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

We cant have both of em tho. Are u willing 2 Trade Randolph to get Monroe? They are the same player. What makes u think Monroe can adjust 2 the NBA faster than Randolph has?

by J-RIDAH on May 22, 2010 3:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

Explain to me how Randolph and Monroe are the same player. I’m failing to see much in common. Monroe is probably a center who is a not much of an athlete, but is a great passer, has a solid midrange/high post game game and is generally a finesse player. Randolph is a power forward who’s a freak athlete, really good rebounder, weakside shot blocker, slasher who attacks the basket and runs the floor with the best of ’em. I must be missing something.

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by cap'n hack on May 22, 2010 3:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

Monroe is probably a center who is a not much of an athlete,

I must be missing something?
   Like why we’d want an un-athletic center when we could get an athletic one?

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by Skeptic con Urquell on May 22, 2010 4:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

Like why we'd want an un-athletic center when we could get an athletic one?

I must be missing something?
What athletic center are you thinking we could get?

by duballers23 on May 22, 2010 5:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

Andris Biedrins

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by Reverend_Randy on May 22, 2010 5:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm high on Aminu

he’s as long as Monroe, projects to guard multiple positions. I want defense for our team.
I don’t think we’ll get a player who can replace Andris Biedris’ production in the draft. Favors and Cousins could down the road, but they’re going before we pick.
I truly believe that the only position we’re set at is 1.

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by Reverend_Randy on May 22, 2010 5:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

I guess,

but it’s worth noting that Randolph is MUCH longer and MUCH more athletic.

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by Reverend_Randy on May 22, 2010 4:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

Monroe???

You guys are talking about Monroe stretching defenses like he is Dirk or Okur. The guy is not a shooter. He is a good passer, but it won’t matter as much in the NBA because you don’t have to tightly cover high post centers who don’t shoot and don’t have the athleticism to take it to the hoop. Monroe’s ceiling is a below average starter in this league. Most likely a decent backup. With Aminu’s athleticism, he will be a good backup right away, if only as a defense energy guy. Plus he can become an elite defender.
Take Brad Miller, but make him weaker and with less shooting and you get Greg Monroe. Plus, Monroe was playing himself into shape as a sophomore in college… bad sign. Secondly, he is not a guy who is going to fit in the Warriors current offense because he is a bad fit for a running offense assuming Nelson stays, which I hope he does not.

by pericles31081 on May 22, 2010 3:09 PM PDT reply actions  

I was very High on Monroe but everybody is saying he’ll play Center which is a joke. Aminu is a better rebounder than he is and he’s a SF. Also Aminu has a longer Wingspan than Monroe and has the Same Wingspan as Kevin Durant. We need a perimeter defender more than we need a Center that cant Rebound.

by J-RIDAH on May 22, 2010 3:10 PM PDT reply actions  

Monroe’s rebounding improved substantially last year. He’s not a great rebounder by any stretch of the imagination, but he’s not going to get murdered on the glass and he should be significantly better than Ronny in that regard.

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by cap'n hack on May 22, 2010 3:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

Better than Ronny

If our goal for our #6 pick is that he is a better rebounder than Ronny Turiaf, let’s just get comfortable sucking.
From draft express
“Beyond that, another highly concerning area for Monroe is his complete lack of a perimeter shot, not being reliable at all from the mid or long range spotting up. He’s converted just 11 of his 45 jump-shot attempts (24%) this season according to Synergy, struggling in both catch and shoot and off the dribble situations. "
“there are a few notable problems with Monroe’s post game, most importantly his complete and utter lack of a right hand, along with any finesse moves off his left shoulder in general. When defenders force him to turn left shoulder, Monroe is incredibly inefficient, relying mainly on an inaccurate right-handed hook shot, but more often than not forcing his moves to the right shoulder instead, leading to more low percentage attempts. This has been a problem since he walked onto campus at Georgetown, and despite his improved overall play this season, this still remains a significant weakness.”

“According to Synergy, Monroe is scoring at a dreadful rate of 0.39 PPP going right out of isolations, and not much better at 0.57 PPP going left. The biggest problem here is in the turnover department, as he’s frequently called for travels or just outright loses the ball with his shaky control. Going right, he turns the ball over on 33% of his possessions, while that decreases to a still high 21% when going left. While increased spacing in the pros could help Monroe’s face-up game some, it will probably be offset when you consider the type of athletes he’ll be going up against at the power forward position on a nightly basis.”

by pericles31081 on May 22, 2010 3:24 PM PDT reply actions  

Monroe is a role player. If you are counting on him to be contribute tons of points, you will be disappointed. He’s not a great scorer; he’s a complementary piece. You toss it to Monroe in the post and let your wings cut to the basket. He was actually a pretty efficient scorer in both his years at Georgetown (TS% of 61.1 in his freshman year, 56.6 as a sophomore, probably due to more primary scorer weight being put on his shoulders, which will not be the case next season or ever in the NBA) and became a fairly good rebounder. The Ronny comparison was just to point out how he would immediately improve our rebounding situation.

What we need to look at at the 6 is what supporting roles we want filled. A star isn’t falling to us, so it’s really more a matter of figuring out who the best few players available are, and figuring out who fits. It might not be Monroe, there’s a very good case to be made for Aminu, but ruling out Monroe because you can’t run your offense through his post scoring is a bad reason to pass on him. We’ll be passing on everyone if that’s the rationale.

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by cap'n hack on May 22, 2010 3:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

"According to Synergy, Monroe is scoring at a dreadful rate of 0.39 PPP going right out of isolations, and not much better at 0.57 PPP going left. The biggest problem here is in the turnover department, as he’s frequently called for travels or just outright loses the ball with his shaky control. Going right, he turns the ball over on 33% of his possessions, while that decreases to a still high 21% when going left. While increased spacing in the pros could help Monroe’s face-up game some, it will probably be offset when you consider the type of athletes he’ll be going up against at the power forward position on a nightly basis."

To be fair, Aminu has the same problem.

The difference?
Aminu is a freak athlete. Aminu’s body is inhuman to the point where he’d be a legit PF going by his frame and standing height.
Aminu is a lock-down defender and an extremely versatile one.
Aminu can rebound at a high rate.

In short, I’m not angry if we draft Monroe. He has a great personality and a good skill-set, and is pretty bulky and is bigger than given credit for. But even if it takes a while for Aminu to develop a jumpshot and get used to handling the ball, he already does most of his work off-the-ball. He’s the perfect trash man. He’ll play defense well. He’ll rebound with a high motor. He’ll run the floor and finish. And he has upside on top of that to develop a nice jump hook with those go-go-gadget arms, seems to be getting along with his perimeter stroke, and is he can learn to handle the ball and slash, it’s over.
But in all fairness, he’ll never be the passing big that Monroe can be, and I think Monroe can be a Gasol-esque big with plenty of skill.

by LarryLegendofOracle on May 24, 2010 2:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

Monroe = B-U-S-T!!!

If you watch him on Youtube, you are amazed by his passing ability, but horrified by the fact that most of his shots that go in against inferior athletes in college are going to end up in the 2nd row when he plays any kind of NBA shot blocker with his low release.

by pericles31081 on May 22, 2010 3:26 PM PDT reply actions  

Webber

Webber was a fantastic athlete who could shoot coming out of college. If Greg Monroe had great range and good shooting technique, I could see getting behind him despite his lack of athleticism. However, I just don’t see the value of a high post center who cannot shoot, turns the ball over when isolated, is not a dominant shot blocker, and not a great rebounder. The guy didn’t dominate against lower competition, how is he going to do when everyone is as strong as him and at least as athletic.
If he was super motivated, then maybe he would grow into it, but he’s not motivated either. Couldn’t even come into his sophomore year in shape.
Aminu is at least working on his shooting and improving his mechanics, is as long as Monroe, while being able to play the 3.Can be a plus defender. I have no idea why anyone would want Monroe, whose floor is not much higher than Patrick O’Bryant’s and whose ceiling is decent starter. When you could get a guy with the same floor, but has an elite ceiling.

by pericles31081 on May 22, 2010 7:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

Monroe is Big. 6'11", 247 LBS

He’s bigger than Biedrins, 30 lbs heavier than BWright or Randolph.

He’s BIG.

He’s just a highly skilled BIGman, you can play him alongside any of our bigs, he’s great fit here. Did I mention he was BIG?

by Bob on May 22, 2010 9:09 PM PDT reply actions  

Being big doesn’t make you strong. He’s a finesse player, really. Strength isn’t his thing. He isn’t going to bulldoze you in the paint. I’m not saying we shouldn’t take him, but being big and strong are two different things.

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by Rated-R Superstar on May 22, 2010 9:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

Right now, I’m leaning towards Wesley Johnson if he slips. For now, I’d say he’s the best player available assuming Wall, Turner, Cousins, Favors and someone between Monroe and Aminu get taken before we pick. If not, I think it’s obviously between Monroe and Aminu. Between those two, I’m leaning towards Aminu. He plays defense and is a versatile defender. We all know about the physical tools such as athleticism, but I especially like his hustle and the way he goes and gets the ball. He will help offensively, defensively, in transition and on the glass. His potential is limitless.

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by Rated-R Superstar on May 22, 2010 10:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

He really isn't all that big

he’s the same height and weight as Biedrins, but isn’t as long or athletic as him.

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by Reverend_Randy on May 23, 2010 12:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

247 lbs at age 19

How much did Biedrins, AR, BW weight at age 19? The guy has legit size, and he’s only gonna get bigger.

by Bob on May 23, 2010 5:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't know about Andris or BW

247 isn’t all that special. It’s pretty typical. His length isn’t special. His athleticism isn’t special. He’s going to be going up against guys who are just as strong as him, but are longer and more athletic.

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by Reverend_Randy on May 23, 2010 5:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

His athleticism isn’t special. He’s going to be going up against guys who are just as strong as him, but are longer and more athletic.

Monroe isn’t going to go up against bigger, stronger guys every game, but regardless, I wouldn’t be mad if we drafted him. Well, maybe. I’d be much better drafting Johnson or Aminu.

by LarryLegendofOracle on May 23, 2010 6:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

Depends on what position we played him in

if we played him as a 4, he’ll be a little big. If he’s against centers, he’ll be average beef, but below average length and athleticism.

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by Reverend_Randy on May 23, 2010 10:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

So? 247 is pretty much bigger than the twin tower sticks we have on the injured list, isn’t it?

Monroe would be really great to have.

I’m not mad if we draft Monroe, I just like Aminu a lot.

by LarryLegendofOracle on May 24, 2010 2:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

He's only going to get bigger

When you are right you are right. He is only going to get bigger, fatter, and slower. He can’t handle more weight, he tried to bulk up after high school and it slowed him down. He already has 11% body fat and came into this college season fat and out of shape. Will a big NBA contract make him more or less determined?

by pericles31081 on May 23, 2010 8:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

to your last question

It will either make him more or less determined. Unless, that is, that it makes him the same amount of determined that he would already be without a contract. Those are pretty much the 3 options.

by freerandolph on May 23, 2010 8:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

Monroe

Monroe runs the floor well, can lead the break under control, does every dunk, may not be a great leaper but is athletic. Will be 20 next season.
Seems reluctant to be the “Man”, but in GS he won’t have to be.
My only concerns would be if he peaked as a High Schooler,and to much Stacey King, never goes right.

by lrus on May 25, 2010 7:11 AM PDT reply actions  

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