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My case for why the Warriors should draft Al-Farouq Aminu


I think that you may have noticed, recently, that Aminu has really gone high on my board. Guess what, you're right, he has.

First of all, feel free to disagree. There are plenty of good players in this draft, including Georgetown PF Greg Monroe or Syracuse SF Wes Johnson.

But here is why I think Aminu has the potential to be better than them:

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Al-Farouq Aminu (Born September 21, 1990)

Height
No Shoes

Height
With Shoes
Weight Wingspan Standing
Reach
Body Fat
6-7.25 6-8.5 216 7-3.25 9-0.5 8.2

 

One of the biggest prospects in the draft, Aminu stands at 6-8 with an insane 7-4 wingspan. He has a decent amount of body fat (considering DeMarcus Cousins is already at 16.4g of body fat.), has a decent weight, and his standing reach is higher than most 4's, let alone 3's  in the NBA. He has an excellent vertical leap and is one of the best freak athletes in the draft (think John Wall and Derrick Favors).

He has a very rare quality in lateral quickness in that he can step out and guard guards. Not to mention that because he has the defensive fundamentals and the commitment on the defensive end, Aminu could easily turn out to be the best prospect in this draft. Aminu's ability to play post defense with his solid frame and his ability to step out and guard multiple positions can make him a defensive stopper, if not one of the best in the league.

So who do I think Aminu could be like? I think that he could become a beggar's Scottie Pippen.

Pippen was known for being one of the best, if not the best defensive player of all time. Why?

He had the wingspan, lateral quickness, size, and athleticism to stay with anyone. I believe Aminu has the same qualities.

Check out this video of Pippen:

Now, I'm not trying to say Aminu will be the next Pippen. When it's all said and done, it won't even be close. But Aminu, nonetheless, I believe, can be a perennial contender for DPOY.

One thing that may strike you about Aminu is that he is painfully shy; take a listen:

Sure, it may not seem that he's all that impressive considering that, but now look at this video, and convince me it impresses you any more:

 

 

Irony aside, Tyreke also has the potential to become a good defender, standing 6-6 with a wingspan of 7-0. Aminu, however, is still better on the defensive end.

Check out Ridiculous Upside on Al-Farouq Aminu

Here are some of the basic things they talk about:

He plays hard, stays tough on defense, alters shots, grabs rebounds and gets himself in a position for an easy put back. He's spectacular at tipping the ball to himself when it's in the air and using his length to his advantage. He was arguably the best offensive rebounder in the country last year.

Sounds exactly like the kind of guy the Warriors need, to me.

So, what's the one knock I have on Aminu?

His coordination, offensively, isn't great. He can shoot the ball well and can put the ball on the floor, but it's ill-advised for now. Aminu isn't a project my any means, but he's only. It's going to take him a year or two to develop the handles and passing ability he needs to play the 3 for the Warriors.

He is an extremely long player who still has time to put on weight and strength and his body has the frame to support that. If he continues to work on his handles and his shot, or he decides to bang down low more often, he can be a very solid pro for a long time. But he needs to decide which role he wants to play, and hopefully his next coach will establish that role early on.

Keywords: coach;establish; role.

Don Nelson isn't going to have a set position for Aminu. Our roster is the most scattered in the NBA.

Compare our starting 5 to the starting 5 or Sacramanto next year, considering no trades are made.

PG: Stephen Curry (6-3)/Monta Ellis                                                      Tyreke Evans(6-6)/Beno Udrih

SG: Monta Ellis(6-3)//Reggie Williams(6-5)                                     Beno Udrih(6-3)/Tyreke Evans/Ime Udoka(6-5)

SF: Corey Maggette(6-6)/Kelenna Azubuike(6-5) Donte Greene(6-10)/Omri Casspi(6-9)

PF: Brandan Wright(6-10)/Anthony Randolph(6-11)  Carl Landry(6-9)/Spencer Hawes(6-11)/Jason Thompson

C; Andris Biedrins(6-11)                                                                       Jason Thompson(6-10)/Spencer Hawes

TOT inches:                                                                                              TOT inches:

77.91                                                                                                          79.85

According to an article by Hardwood Paroxysm, The Kings are the biggest team in the NBA and the Warriors are the smallest. What else does this mean? The Warriors have the most inconsistent lineup in the NBA. The Kings have the most established lineup in the NBA. Aminu won't play anything but the 3 unless he grows a couple inches, for the Kings. On the Warriors, Aminu would probably play the 5 in stretches.

Also, Aminu, with his game, would be excellent next to a slashing PG. Think Tyreke Evans. Aminu can be a very good player on both ends of the floor, but I think that if he plays with Evans, you'll really see his game expand. Although, I don't think playing with Curry, who can slash and shoot, would be a bad idea at all.

Curry can slash and shoot, not to mention distribute and run the fastbreak extraordinarily well, something Tyreke can only do to an extent. Curry doesn't push the ball as much as Tyreke, though (although everyone else on the Warriors pushed the ball as well.) I think the fact that the Kings are an established team with established players benefited a player like Tyreke and will benefit a player like Aminu. However, Curry may be more fun to play with, you may or may not get more touches, and you will probably be involved in the pick and roll a lot more, something I think would be very. very useful from the 3 spot.

So, we know Aminu is established as an defensive player, let's look at his offense, according to DraftExpress.com:

Offensively, it’s still difficult to describe Aminu as being an overly skilled player. Although capable of beating his defender off the dribble and getting to the basket in a straight line thanks to his quick first step and tremendously long strides, his ball-skills are still fairly rudimentary. He often loses the ball or is called for traveling immediately upon making his initial move, and really struggles to change directions or pull-up off the dribble if a defender rotates into the lane. His turnover rate (3.7 per-40p) is, as you would expect, extremely high in turn, and his 2-point percentage (50%) is a bit lower than you might expect.

Aminu, basically, is a physical specimen. But he needs to become more skilled, something that he has time to develop.

So, how will he play in an up-and-down style?

 

The incredibly impressive manner in which he finishes in transition (often in highlight reel fashion) leaves a lot of room for optimism in this regard, though. He does manage to draw quite a few fouls thanks to his sheer athleticism and aggressiveness, which is obviously a big plus.

 

Where Aminu is currently at his best is in transition and crashing the offensive glass. His ability to go out of his area and come up with loose balls is truly impressive, as he seems to excellent timing running to the front of the rim with great purpose, as well as an outstanding second and third jump he utilizes to simply outquick opponents around the rim. His fantastic wingspan obviously helps a great deal here, as does the aggressiveness he shows trying to come up with extra possessions.

So, what about post play?

Aminu appears to have made some strides in the post, seeing nearly twice as many possessions with his back to the basket as he did last season, and finding solid results in turn. He’s making more of a commitment to use his body to carve out space in the paint, and has terrific extension on his jump-hook to get his shot off cleanly. As hisframe continues to fill out and his footwork improves, this could become a major weapon down the road.

Another reason to find Aminu valuable is that he excells in pick and roll play, especially defensively.

Unlike on the offensive end, he is equally effective as a small forward or power forward, and is versatile enough to switch onto pretty much any type of player in pick and roll situations, making him extremely valuable in today’s NBA. Oftentimes Wake Forest’s coaching staff elects to put him on the opposing team’s point guard for short stretches, something he’s capable of doing thanks to his terrific length and lateral quickness. Even when he gets beat off the dribble, he’s often athletic enough to just recover and come up with a big block from behind.

So, while his jumpshot is a work in progress, Aminu can surely be the legit defensive stopper the Warriors need on the perimeter. And at 19 years of age, Aminu has plenty of time to work on his unpolished offense.

I'll finish with a video of Wake Forest's Al-Farouq Aminu displaying his monsterous wings his big body, and his freakish athleticism.

 

Also, here is a vid of Georgie Tech @ Wake Forest

 

Al Farouq Aminu is #1 in the video.

Poll
Do you think this is the guy the Warriors need?
Yes, we need a big-time defender
123 votes
No, we need shooting and athleticism from Wes Johnson
30 votes
No, we need Epke Udoh's shotblocking and size
4 votes
No, we need to bundle this pick and trade for Evan Turner
30 votes
No, we need versatility and sze from Greg Monroe
46 votes
No, we need a fundamentally sound big in Cole Aldrich
8 votes

241 votes | Poll has closed

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The Wolves consider him to be of value and Sacramento really wants him. I think he’s off the board.

by LarryLegendofOracle on May 21, 2010 6:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well, not a high chance of him dropping that low. Chances are we have to settle with one of the guys I listed.

by LarryLegendofOracle on May 21, 2010 7:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

Wolves also need a stretch big for the triangle

And Sactown has no future 3 and like to pick “skilled” big men

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by dubzfan on May 21, 2010 10:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

Minnesota’s biggest need is a wing player if they think Jefferson and Love are long-term answers.

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by Rated-R Superstar on May 22, 2010 12:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

When Kahn talks about them I don't really get the vibe he likes the two together

Also they can grab wings with there 2 other 1st rounders. Why not grab one of the good big men in this draft and pick who you want out of the deep class of mid 1st round wings?

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by dubzfan on May 22, 2010 12:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

If I was them, I’d trade Jefferson and I would take Cousins or Favors.

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by Rated-R Superstar on May 22, 2010 1:11 AM PDT up reply actions  

i think Kahn’s on sketchy ground….. he already passed on Curry & Jennings for Flynn….. and there’s plenty of talk that Rubio may not join the team after next season….. does he really want to put his tenure on the line for Cousins?

Cousins isn’t a great fit with either Jefferson or Love considering none of those 3 are shot blockers. Cousins projects, at the very least, to be good at rebounding. yet rebounding was the only area last season that their team was decent in.

Last season they started Corey Brewer at SG & Ryan Gomes at SF. The primary back ups were Wayne Ellington & Sasha Pavlovic. i know 2011 projects to be a SG-SF heavy draft, but from the list of names above, they got both spots open for upgrading

They should seriously consider moving up to #2 with Jefferson as bait (Jefferson’s avg, but he’s better & a tad cheaper than Brand) or checking if they can keep their pick at #4 & moving Rubio instead. enabling them to pick up Favors or Turner at #2 & picking up Wes or Cousins at #4 (Cousins would be an easier risk to take if the Rubio not coming to Minnesota debacle isn’t occurring & you have Evan Turner in tow – though he’s still not a great fit with Love since neither can adequately block shots or guard stretch 4’s).

by homer simpson on May 22, 2010 10:06 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think they should and will move up to the 2nd pick

But if they dont they will go with Aminu, Monroe, Favors or Cuz and than trade Cuz with someone else for ET.

Also I just thought about something, if Monroe goes at 3 to NJ, Aminu or Wes to Minny and Cuz to the Kings we can get Favors. It’s possible, very possible

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by dubzfan on May 22, 2010 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

it's possible

but absolutely not “very possible”. The consensus is that Favors goes Top 4. There is no reason to believe he will drop below that. There aren’t even rumors that would suggest otherwise.

by Evanz on May 23, 2010 6:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

Cousins could be a shot blocker. He did it fairly well in college, and he has excellent size and length to help him do it in the pros….

by Missing Barry on May 26, 2010 12:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

By skilled I mean good passers and guys who can hit jumpers consistently

Think CWebb

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by dubzfan on May 22, 2010 12:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

If Aminu can play SF in the NBA

then he’s a much better fit for us. His O game is way below average for an NBA 3 though.

He’s more likely to end up a PF, especially if he packs on more weight. Does he fit with AR, Wright? I wouldn’t mind Aminu at PF and AR at SF in the long run. If Wright develops, then there’s not enough minutes to go around.

by JSML on May 21, 2010 9:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

I wouldn’t mind Aminu at PF and AR at SF in the long run.

Ouch. Who do we move out to the 5 then, Curry?

by LarryLegendofOracle on May 21, 2010 9:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

He can be a back up 5 in Nellie ball

But not a starting 5 in a traditional line up. Maybe not even a back up 5 in a traditional line up.

He is a 4. I see him and Aminu at the same position. If we are going to pick Aminu, eventually one has to move or be the back up.

To me AR has better potential to be a 3 than Aminu. Better ball handler and better shooter.

by JSML on May 22, 2010 3:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

His point is that

Randolph won’t play 5, and he definitely won’t play 3.

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by Reverend_Randy on May 22, 2010 3:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

From Steinmetz AR article

The long-term goal is for Randolph to play some at small forward.

by JSML on May 24, 2010 7:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

It's very very very long term

like, if he ever figures that out, we’re talking 5-6 years from now. I don’t think that goal is realistic.

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by Reverend_Randy on May 24, 2010 7:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

The long-term goal is for Randolph to play some at small forward.

No wonder Randolph is developing so slowly; nobody seems to care about him utilizing his touch and ability in the post. His agent is making him more of a scrub than he is because he is so ineffective and one-dimensional at what he is effective at-rebounding. He isn’t even a fundamental defender. Randolph is a keeper for sure, but his agent is screwing over the Dubs.

by LarryLegendofOracle on May 24, 2010 8:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

There's nothing in the article that attributes the quote to his agent.

AR can block and rebound. He shoots FTs at 80%. He can run and score in transition. I would hardly call him one dimensional.

AR came in the league projected as a SF. It’s nothing new that people think he could be a SF. He has better offensive tools than Aminu to play SF right now. On the defensive side, he can block and rebound better. He will be better against Durant, but worse against speedy smaller forwards.

by JSML on May 24, 2010 8:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

AR can block and rebound. He shoots FTs at 80%. He can run and score in transition. I would hardly call him one dimensional.

He really has only affected the Warriors with his rebounding and collecting garbage points. That’s great to have a player like that, but at the same time, he has been a defensive liability and hasn’t been able to score without the ball well, at all.

He has better offensive tools than Aminu to play SF right now.

That is true. But there is more to being an SF that being able to shoot midrange jumpers inefficiently and inconsistently, rebound at a high rate, which Aminu does, run the floor, and handle the ball. The SF is a key position and the Warriors have the opportunity to go in a better direction of defense, rebounding, and sized players with a more solid frame that are coachable.

On the defensive side, he can block and rebound better.

On the defensive side, he fouls too much, has horrible fundamentals, and puts in the minimum effort when playing on the ball defense. He may rebound better, defensively, but that doesn’t mean anything more than that he rebounds well. It doesn’t mean that he’s even average defensively.
He will be better against Durant,

And what is that supposed to mean? Defensively? Because I think if you take Aminu out of college to his first NBA game, right now and put him against Durant, he’d do a much better than Randolph, who has no experience actually guarding perimeter players at all or even putting in effort on that end of the floor, especially on a player like Durant that is one of the best if not the best in the league in drawing fouls and Randolph has a constant fouling problem.

by LarryLegendofOracle on May 24, 2010 9:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

Randolph's scoring this season

largely came from his free throws. He suddenly got good at that.

I agree with everything else, though. I don’t think that Randolph can match up with SFs in this league right now, and he probably never will.

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by Reverend_Randy on May 24, 2010 9:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

watch aminu’s highlight video agian. there is not a lot there that screams SF if anything at all.

by Balance on May 24, 2010 11:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

I was primarily concerned with Randolph. I really don’t see him ever being an SF in this league.

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by Reverend_Randy on May 24, 2010 11:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

His highlight video is his at the PF. He played the PF this year and SF last year.

by LarryLegendofOracle on May 25, 2010 10:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

the key word being "some"

That could mean 5 minutes a night. Big deal.

by Evanz on May 25, 2010 4:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

Thats ridiculous

CJ is much better suited for the five in that lineup. We need a 5 with his quiet storm of abilities.

by yo on May 22, 2010 2:05 AM PDT up reply actions  

this

made me chuckle

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by wallywagon11 on May 22, 2010 2:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

Aminu seemed fine to me in that interview

Thanks for posting the video. He seems like a down-to-earth kid. I especially liked his direct answer about rebounding outside his space.

by Evanz on May 21, 2010 8:06 PM PDT reply actions  

Aminu is perfect, he is exactly the type of player we need.

We have enough scoreres, in this system he will probaly get a good amount of points anyways, that won’t be a problem. We need someone like him if we are going to stick with the short backcourt.

Also, if the Monta + Wright for 2 + Brand deal that everyone proposes happens (definately won’t, but for fun..) and we got Evan Turner second overall, we would change our team entirely. Curry, Turner and Aminu would be a huge, skilled 1-2-3 and with AR, Brand, Biedrins and Turiaf, our team would look amazing.

by SPENCEMAN on May 21, 2010 8:36 PM PDT reply actions  

Not to mention role players like..

Morrow and Azuibuike coming off the bench.

by SPENCEMAN on May 21, 2010 8:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

Brand wouldn’t look amazing. He’d just suck.

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by GovernorStephCurry on May 21, 2010 8:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

But a
Curry
Turner
Aminu
Randolph
Biedrins

lineup would very promising.

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by GovernorStephCurry on May 21, 2010 8:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

Great Read, but.......

What if he gets drafted #5 though?

This is a draft where there are 4 elite players and than about ~3 good player and we’ll have to see what shakes out and who is available.

Thing B

by warriorsscore110 on May 21, 2010 9:34 PM PDT reply actions  

eh

I think the consensus top 5 is head and shoulders above the other 2 good players you’re talking about.

by yo on May 22, 2010 2:06 AM PDT up reply actions  

I’m not sure there’s more than a consensus 4, and even then there’s been some debate among the draft-mockers.

Assuming you mean Wes Johnson at #5, what do you think puts him “head and shoulders” above Aminu?

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by Sleepy Freud on May 22, 2010 4:15 AM PDT up reply actions  

even then

draftexpress has Aminu at 5 and Wes at 6.

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by Reverend_Randy on May 22, 2010 3:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

Aminu more than Johnson is Sac's type of player

A special physical speciment. Petrie will likely pick Aminu if Cousins is not there at #5.

Reke and Aminu. Two freakish athletes. I don’t think Sactown passes him up.

by JSML on May 21, 2010 9:41 PM PDT reply actions  

For the record, I like Johnson better for our roster.

Johnson is a classic 3 that can play the 2. His game in NBA ready from day 1. He’s a lower risk pick.

Aminu can play both 3 and 4 but is a tweener because right now, his game is not NBA ready for either position.

by JSML on May 21, 2010 9:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

+1

If both are available, I want Johnson for his immediate contributions.

by breaker on May 21, 2010 10:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

I agree

I think Johnson is just as good of a defender as Aminu at this point.

by duballers23 on May 21, 2010 10:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah

He’s got a better overall game than Aminu, and a ton of length that makes him capable of gaurdsing 3’s.

by duballers23 on May 22, 2010 1:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

Evidently people are really high on Wes.

I don’t think he is going to fall to 6, but evidently Curry really wants Wes.

by freerandolph on May 22, 2010 4:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm not sure you can trust any pre-draft talk like this

It’s not exactly in a team or player’s interest to tip their hand. There’s some potent reverse psychology going on before the draft.

by Evanz on May 23, 2010 6:23 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think if his jumper and his ball handling come along and it shows in the workouts, then take him at 6. He has a frame comparable to Kevin Durant length wise, which is a huge advantage at the 3. I just hope they make sure the guy can shoot and handle if they are going to draft him.

by duballers23 on May 21, 2010 10:00 PM PDT reply actions  

Aminu looks a lot like a PF. I’m pretty amazed at Johnson actually; ability to shoot, defend, rebound. He’s good on both ends of the floor, so I’mma have to say Johnson.

by DubsFan408 on May 21, 2010 10:33 PM PDT reply actions  

I agree with the Aminu competing for the small forward spot with KAz. The next step would be to move Maggs. Realistically, they’re not gonna get equal value because of his bawdy contract. Best case scenaro, he brings in a quality back up PG and a throw away player to match salaries. Monroe scares me off beacuse the knock on him is that he is passive. Passive is a good characteristic for a PG but not a C. Johnson BTW won’t fall to 6.

by ChronicMasticator on May 21, 2010 10:52 PM PDT reply actions  

equal value???

We’re not going to get any value for him. If they can trade him for anything other than another god awful contract it would be a miracle.

by yo on May 22, 2010 2:04 AM PDT up reply actions  

Not seeing it

He’s got length and he’s athletic, but those are often the guys that end up as busts. I think the Warriors need a guy that will be a force defensively, but I’m not sure which position he really fits at, as others have pointed out. Are we really better with him than we are with Buike or Maggette at the 3? Or even Reggie Williams for that matter?

Also, I don’t see his shyness the same way I do Tyreke’s. Tyreke might’ve been shy, but he was a monster in the workouts. From what I’ve seen of this Aminu, he doesn’t really seem to care. Even the announcers at the combine were noting how he’s going to have gain the ability to want to be great, because he doesn’t seem to have it right now. That’s not something I want to hear, and I can defeintely see why they said it.

If that’s not enough, I’ve heard Riley is looking for someone who can help right away, not a project like Aminu. Good info and good post, but I disagree. I’d take Johnson, Aldrich, or Monroe over this guy.

by ERock386 on May 22, 2010 1:51 AM PDT reply actions  

He’s got length and he’s athletic, but those are often the guys that end up as busts. I think the Warriors need a guy that will be a force defensively, but I’m not sure which position he really fits at, as others have pointed out.

He’s an SF and he’s very coachable. Worst case, he isn’t much offensively his first couple years, and he crashes the boards and plays defense well as his role. After a while, I think he’ll become a much more complete player.

If that’s not enough, I’ve heard Riley is looking for someone who can help right away, not a project like Aminu.

Aminu probably isn’t as much of a project as Randolph and Wright, considering Randolph really only rebounds and Wright is pretty raw. I think Aminu knows what to do immediately in that he needs to crash the glass hard, which he acknowledges he has to do, and hed be, hands down, our best defender. I think that’ what we need. A workmanlike guy that does everything and has a big upside, too. From what I’ve seen, Aminu can pick and pop preetty well from the mid-range area.

by LarryLegendofOracle on May 22, 2010 7:10 AM PDT up reply actions  

I don’t know. Form what I’ve seen and heard, he sounds like a very big project. That’s typically what someone with big upside is.

I can’t really comment on his pick-and-pop. All the highlights I’ve seen of him have just been dunks, and that’s not going to happen in the NBA. I’m thinking best case, he plays solid D, pulls down a decent amount of boards, and gets maybe 10 ppg almost entirely off of running the pick-and-roll with Curry. I don’t see him being able to create for himself at all, and I just think we can do better at #6.

by ERock386 on May 22, 2010 1:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

Aminu isn’t exactly a project, completely.

From what I hear, he’s an extremey versatile defender and would be ready to come in and rebound. He has a somewhat solid frame, better than Randolph’s and Wright’s, right now.

He can’t really create for himself, right now. He’s not the type of player to do that. I don’t think anybody we can get at #6 is; but Aminu to do the dirty work is exactly what we need, in my opinion.

by LarryLegendofOracle on May 22, 2010 4:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

Riley wont get anybody that can help right away picking 6th.

by J-RIDAH on May 22, 2010 9:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

Than he needs to be fired. Riley can absolutely get someone at #6 that can play and contribute right now. Now if we can just get your posts to contribute something to this discussion other than unsubstantiated pessimism…

by ERock386 on May 22, 2010 1:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

Who at 6 could even start for the Dub’s?

by J-RIDAH on May 22, 2010 3:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

Really?

I don’t know about that. I think you’re underrating Biedrin’s rebounding quite a bit. He’s been one of our, if not our, most productive players over the past few years. Last year, when he was basically playing with a torn abdominal for the whole year, he kinda sucked, but still got a lot of defensive rebounds.

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by Reverend_Randy on May 22, 2010 3:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

I strongly disagree with ERock We do not need someone who can help us right away.

If the choice is between getting a player who can play some minutes right away or someone who has potential to be a future allstar, I will go with potential for our current team. I don’t think we are that close to being a playoff team, so I don’t see the need to get a player who can handle some minutes and maybe help the Dubs get a few more wins next season…

by freerandolph on May 22, 2010 4:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, that's what I think

we really aren’t that close. I could understand Wes if we had a good team and needed to put ourselves over the top with some wing depth, but we really don’t.

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by Reverend_Randy on May 22, 2010 4:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don’t think we are that close to being a playoff team, so I don’t see the need to get a player who can handle some minutes and maybe help the Dubs get a few more wins next season…

Ironically, all we really need is a devensive anchor in the middle and a couple good, consistent rebounders to make the playoffs. If we can nab a good big with Monta, we have a big chance. And Aminu will help a lot, too.

by LarryLegendofOracle on May 22, 2010 4:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

Easy there...

I didn’t say we need to get someone who can play right away, simply that I had heard that Riley is planning to draft someone who can. Based on that, I make predictions accordingly.

And I think we also need to distinguish between being a contributor and being a starter. I use the term “contributor” because I don’t think a rookie has to start to make an impact. Would you say Harden didn’t contribute last year? Would you say Ben Gordon, who won sixth man of the year as a rookie didn’t contribute? We may not get a starter at #6, but we should just trade the pick for a future first or sell it if we can’t get someone who can at least play 10 mpg as a rookie.

by ERock386 on May 23, 2010 1:22 AM PDT up reply actions  

but we should just trade the pick for a future first or sell it if we can’t get someone who can at least play 10 mpg as a rookie.

He’s not Randolph to foul out in 8 minutes every game and he’s not
Cousins to eat himself into sub 10 mpg. But I agree that he won’t contribute that much right away. He’s 19.

by LarryLegendofOracle on May 23, 2010 7:08 AM PDT up reply actions  

By most eye ball accounts...

People said Cousins looked pretty good. I know it’s funny, and easy to cherry pick the 292, but at least give a full explanation.

"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."

by kenntoe on May 23, 2010 6:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

He’s 19 and weighed in at 292, and had a body fat % of 16.4.
I guess it’s mainly a stereotype-ish thing, but after Jamarcus, people have the right to be scared. Don’t get me wrong, I’d take Cousins with the 6th overall pick, hands down- but I think it’s pretty logical to assume he’s going to be overweight when he’s 19 and already 290lbs.

by LarryLegendofOracle on May 23, 2010 6:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

He isn't quite as fat as Jamarcus

same weight, 3" taller.

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by Reverend_Randy on May 23, 2010 10:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

Last I heard 290

FATTY

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by Reverend_Randy on May 24, 2010 4:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

Wow.
All I have to type to get Russell on Google is ‘Jamarcus’.
290 is too much for any ‘athlete’. Though I would take Cousins with the 2nd pick.

by LarryLegendofOracle on May 24, 2010 5:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

Whoops. Meant 4th overall pick.

by LarryLegendofOracle on May 24, 2010 9:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

In camp he was round 260ish

The 300 rumors were false

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by dubzfan on May 25, 2010 10:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

Apparently then he really likes Kentucky Fried Chicken.

by LarryLegendofOracle on May 25, 2010 10:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

Source?

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by Reverend_Randy on May 25, 2010 4:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

If Johnson is avalible,

take him, if not, take Aminu… Simple as that

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by dubzero23 on May 22, 2010 9:51 AM PDT reply actions  

Aminu would be a huge mistake.

he’s over rated and a terrible fit for our team. i have strong feelings about this so bare with me.

When you have a team like we have, without low post scoring, you have to spread the floor, and create lanes to drive into. If you don’t have 3pt shooters the lanes close. Until he learns to shoot the three he should play pf. like maggette, you’ll have to call isolation plays for him as a sf. as a power forward he can roam around the hoop and finish or shoot the jumper. watch how defenders guard maggette, if you want more of that, he’s our guy.

I’m also not sold on his defense either which has been getting a ton of talk. as a PF he’s shorter than Randolph, comparable at best, so we already have what he offers. As a SF he may be better but he’s truely not ready to play sf on the offensive end. Here again we already see his future match up issues.

He average just over 1 assist, less than 1.5 steals and blocks per game. So that stats don’t back up this defensive hype he’s been getting. All this is compounded by the fact that he’s averaging over 3 turnovers per game.

To be fair, i think his ball handling is better than most people are giving him credit for and i’m not as concerned about that as i am his shooting but what he truely is, is a bunch of potential. Potentially, he could be a great defender with those long arms and speed, but in the near future he’s an athletic power forward who’s trying to be a SF. Don’t we already have one of those? How pateint have we been with Monta’s attempts to play PG? After half a season we crucified his efforts.

Maybe i’m wrong and he’s potential turns into real production, but the smart draft is to go big. if we you want defense, take Udoh. But, we probably should draft a big man. Although i’m not crazy on Monroe, he seems like the more logical pick. He’s a good rebounder, a good passer, and has a decent low post game, decent jumper, he’s still improving and still young.

Last years draft was big on guards and we got a good one in curry. this years draft is deep in big men and we should capitalize on that as a good big man is our biggest need. Next years draft is predicted to be deep in SF’s, and easier position to fill.

by Balance on May 22, 2010 5:04 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

i also meant to mention defensively as a power forward he’s too skinny like Randolph and wright. in contrast cousins is not a great defender but he’s a good position defender. He doesn’t get pushed around which most our big men do with the exception of Turiaf and Hunter.

by Balance on May 22, 2010 5:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

He average just over 1 assist, less than 1.5 steals and blocks per game. So that stats don’t back up this defensive hype he’s been getting.

You realize defense is about much more than this, right?

Potentially, he could be a great defender with those long arms and speed, but in the near future he’s an athletic power forward who’s trying to be a SF.

He’s three inches shorter than Randolph and weighs just as much. It seems like he has a good frame to me. He seems way more like an SF that can step out and play defense and rebound well.
. as a PF he’s shorter than Randolph, comparable at best, so we already have what he offers. As a SF he may be better but he’s truely not ready to play sf on the offensive end. Here again we already see his future match up issues.

What issues? I see a guy that can switch out to guards, bigs, and everyone in between. Is he going to play PF? No, he’s an SF. He doesn’t have the handles, but we have so many weapons offensively that we really don’t need someone that can score. Aminu can shoot, but we don’t really need that with Curry, Williams, Azubuike, etc.
Next years draft is predicted to be deep in SF’s, and easier position to fill.

No offense, but the SF in not an easy position to fill. To me, we’ve found 3 guys that can play the SF well for us- Iguodala, Mike Miller, and maybe Caron Butler. There really aren’t many players that can play the 3 well. We need a big guy at the 3, and Aminu would be great- he can rebound, defend, and shoot. Of course we need a big- but this guy is good.

by LarryLegendofOracle on May 22, 2010 5:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

It should be worth nothing that

based on Aminu’s wingspan and standing reach, he could probably guard most 4s. His reach is above average for PFs in the draft.

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by Reverend_Randy on May 22, 2010 5:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

Exactly.

Aminu’s a lot bigger than you would think.

by LarryLegendofOracle on May 22, 2010 5:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

yes, he is long. you think he won’t get pushed around by the PF’s in the west? He will. I like the idea of him playing SF, but you are over stating the shooting situation. as a SF, that really only leaves us with 2 3pt shooters. a pg and a sg. Scratch Ellis from the list of players for Aminu to run with, unless his 3pt shooting dramatically improves. See what i’m saying?

You won’t stretch the floor as much with only 2 shooters on the floor. Ideally without a low post scoring option, you want to have a 4 playre that can shoot, a Stretch PF. And, nellie isn’t the only coach who knows this. This is why Aminu will have to play PF until he learns to shoot better and we already have 2 skinny PF’s. Particularly one (randolph) who is another potential guy who will probably rebound better and block more shots.

by Balance on May 22, 2010 6:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

i also uderstand that there is more to defense than blocks and steals but those are the primary stats used. I’m open to another suggestion on how to measure his defensive ability compared to other players. Feel free to ADD rather than split hairs.

by Balance on May 22, 2010 6:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

I’m open to another suggestion on how to measure his defensive ability compared to other players.

Okay, try to find shot clock violations forced per game. Guarentee you Aminu leads the NCAA in that category.

by LarryLegendofOracle on May 22, 2010 6:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

try to find. I’m okay with steals and blocks. you are contesting that. you should go find it. I don’t think it exist and if it did how could you attribute that to aminu. that’s more telling of team defense. how smart are you?

by Balance on May 22, 2010 6:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think it would be worth looking at things like

his opponents statline, but it’s kinda hard to tell who was on who and stuff. Defensive stats just really suck in general.

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by Reverend_Randy on May 22, 2010 6:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

Defensive stats just really suck in general.

I agree. There are very good defenders in the league, but perimeter defenders don’t show up very much because they mainly show players that play the passing lanes well and players that rotate and block shots. Defensive statistics are a bit more unaccurate than most stats. I’m not saying you should follow me and go anti-stats completely, but I think Aminu is the best defender in the draft, regardless.

by LarryLegendofOracle on May 22, 2010 6:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

try to find. I’m okay with steals and blocks. you are contesting that. you should go find it. I don’t think it exist and if it did how could you attribute that to aminu. that’s more telling of team defense. how smart are you?

I mean shot clock violations attributed to one player: Aminu.
There is no stat like that. Unless you haven’t noticed, I’m not so big on stats. Defense is more about effort than statistics. Aminu can stay with his defender on the perimeter and body up on post players. He doesn’t need blocks and steals. How many blocks or steals does Batum have? Perkins? Batum could be one of the best defenders in the league in a year, and Perkins has done an excellent job on Howard. Aminu will make you work on defense. He’s not Turiaf to block shots a lot, he’s not Randolph to be a defensive liability other than a good off-the-ball defender. He’s not Ellis to bod up once or twice a season. He’s the best defender in this draft, and he’s a high-energy guy that can crash the glass. He’s as big as any PF when you take into consideration his inhuman wingspan, and he’s my guy for the draft.

by LarryLegendofOracle on May 22, 2010 6:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

he’s your guy? Okay, cool. I won’t agrue that. But he’s not the “best defender” in this draft. Larry Sanders and Udoh will probably be better and if he’s going to get most his defensive minutes guarding PF’s, he’s going to get pushed around. His success will depend on his ability to shoot. If he can do that, he can play SF and add length and defense. If he has to be PF, then he doesn’t add much value.

by Balance on May 22, 2010 6:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

. But he’s not the "best defender" in this draft. Larry Sanders and Udoh will probably be better and if he’s going to get most his defensive minutes guarding PF’s, he’s going to get pushed around.

He’s the consensus defender of the draft behind Derrick Favors. Udoh has excellent timing and length, but he certainly doesn’t have the lateral quickness or experience to guard perimeter players like Aminu can.
And his shooting doesn’t seem so horrible after he went through the workouts:

For the shots we tracked, Aminu shot a solid 16-for-31 from NBA three-point range, and 69-for-99 on spot-up jumpers from 15-20 feet, showing impressive mechanics and touch throughout, having a high and consistent release with a good base and excellent elevation. It was easy to notice how well Aminu responds to coaching, with his eyes always dead set on Hopla and Leitao when they spoke, absorbing everything while giving 100% for the entire three hours.

And he seems extremely coachable.
It’s not like shooting is the only thing that a SF can do to be prodcutive, and it’s pretty naive to think that only one of the floor is important.
If he has to be PF, then he doesn’t add much value.

Aminu(6-8.5, 7-4 wingspan). is bigger than Josh Smith, who plays the 4(6-9, 7-0 wingspan.)
I think you’re underrating this guy. He’s really a gem, to me.

by LarryLegendofOracle on May 22, 2010 6:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

he’s not bigger than josh smith, he’s longer. smith is way stronger. And if he shot 50% in pratice, that’s not impressive. they say Morrow shoots about 90% in non guarded pratice. Have you ever watch these guys warm up or run through the pre game shoot arounds. Good shooters don’t miss. I’d say curry hit’s 75% of his shots. He’s money. 16-31 is a terrible, terrible percentage for practice. And if that is a sign of getting better, god help him.

by Balance on May 22, 2010 6:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

they say Morrow shoots about 90% in non guarded pratice. Have you ever watch these guys warm up or run through the pre game shoot arounds. Good shooters don’t miss.

Lol, you mean Aminu isn’t an in-game shooter?
Actually, he had horrible form before, and after working with Hopla, his form was much improved.

He’s money. 16-31 is a terrible, terrible percentage for practice. And if that is a sign of getting better, god help him.
He also shot 69-99. That’s pretty high for a pick and pop jumper, isn’t it?
And I doubt ‘they say’ is a reliable source and I doubt even more than Morrow shoots that high a percentage.
Good shooters don’t miss

That’s pretty much wrong. Good shooters do miss.
But I’ll tell you this- Great shooters are born. Good shooters are made, and Aminu is a good shooter.

by LarryLegendofOracle on May 22, 2010 6:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

How can you say Aminu is a good shooter? He’s not. He might be working on it, trying to improve but so is Beidrins.

my point was, what you shoot in practive will significantly be worse than what you shoot in a game. So if he’s throwing up 50% in practice. I’m worried.

“they” (stiemenz) for my reference said dunleavey rarely missed in practice and we saw how well he did in game play.

Look, if you want him first on your draft board, good for you. But you are making large assumptions off a small amount of data, aka one practice. You do realize that every player is working on their game, right? That doesn’t make him special or mean he’ll be able to improve any better than anyone else.

by Balance on May 22, 2010 7:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

who shot 69 or 99? where was that? Please refrence.

by Balance on May 22, 2010 7:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

How can you say Aminu is a good shooter? He’s not. He might be working on it, trying to improve but so is Beidrins.

If Biedrins shoots around 50% from the NBA three, 69-99 on mid-range jumpers, and shows fundamentals well, I’ll buy you a cookie. Hell, I’ll buy you a jar full of them.

Look, if you want him first on your draft board, good for you. But you are making large assumptions off a small amount of data, aka one practice.

He’s not first. If Cousins drops, I’d take him.
For the shots we tracked, Aminu shot a solid 16-for-31 from NBA three-point range, and 69-for-99 on spot-up jumpers from 15-20 feet, showing impressive mechanics and touch throughout, having a high and consistent release with a good base and excellent elevation
DraftExpress.com

It’s not a small amount of data, but perhaps a small workout. I think it just shows how good Aminu is. It’s not normal to respond that well to one session of coaching.
You do realize that every player is working on their game, right? That doesn’t make him special or mean he’ll be able to improve any better than anyone else.

Yes but he’s responding pretty well so far.

by LarryLegendofOracle on May 22, 2010 7:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

that really only leaves us with 2 3pt shooters. a pg and a sg.

I hate to break this to you, but most teams other than the Warriors really only have 2 or 3 shooters on the floor at once.
We’re the only team that has 3.


Ideally without a low post scoring option, you want to have a 4 playre that can shoot, a Stretch PF

Strech PF? You mean a shooter? It’s called a shooter.
And Aminu has a decent low-post game.
Particularly one (randolph) who is another potential guy who will probably rebound better and block more shots.

Randolph isn’t going to stay on the floor enough to be as productive as Aminu. I’d rather have someone stay on the floor 30 minutes and grab 12 boards than someone stay on the floor 10 minutes and grab 8.
Also, Randolph is only really a good weak-side defender. I see what you’re saying, but chances are Turiaf or Biedrins will also be on the floor, and Aminu is more of the type to stay with someone and force shot clock violations, disrupt shots, and deflect passes (you know, defense.)
Randolph, other than playing weak-side defense, is horrible on defense, and compared to Aminu is atrocious. I think it would be a change for the better for this organization do draft a serious defender like Aminu.

by LarryLegendofOracle on May 22, 2010 6:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

Suns, knicks, utah, dallas, etc. just to name a few in the west that stretch the floor with shooters. The NBA is all about spacing. see phils triangle offense.

by Balance on May 22, 2010 6:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

Suns, knicks, utah, dallas, etc. just to name a few in the west that stretch the floor with shooters.

The Knicks are in the East, and they’re a horrible shooting team.
And while the NBA might be about spacing, it’s not like Aminu can’t shoot for his life. He can come off of screens and shoot well.

see phils triangle offense

The Triangle is all about initiation, not really spacing. But I agree, spacing is crucial.

by LarryLegendofOracle on May 22, 2010 6:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

we need more points in the paint. Typically this leads to a higher team FG%. Without a low post scoring option(s). we need lanes to drive to the Paint. To get those lanes we need players that command shooting respect. if they don’t give that respect, you shoot em dead. if they guard us tight, we drive to the rim. this is basketball 101. Aminu has a long way to go until he will demand shooting respect and compound the issues we already have, see Maggette and Ellis. 2 of our best guns don’t demand shooting respect. teams close the lanes and we are left to watch ellis and maggette launch WAY to many jumpers. Add aminu to this receipe and we’ve got more of the same offensive problems.

by Balance on May 22, 2010 6:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

Aminu has a long way to go until he will demand shooting respect and compound the issues we already have, see Maggette and Ellis. 2 of our best guns don’t demand shooting respect. teams close the lanes and we are left to watch ellis and maggette launch WAY to many jumpers. Add aminu to this receipe and we’ve got more of the same offensive problems.
For the shots we tracked, Aminu shot a solid 16-for-31 from NBA three-point range, and 69-for-99 on spot-up jumpers from 15-20 feet, showing impressive mechanics and touch throughout, having a high and consistent release with a good base and excellent elevation. It was easy to notice how well Aminu responds to coaching, with his eyes always dead set on Hopla and Leitao when they spoke, absorbing everything while giving 100% for the entire three hours.

He seems fine to me, shooting-wise.

Typically this leads to a higher team FG%. Without a low post scoring option(s). we need lanes to drive to the Paint. To get those lanes we need players that command shooting respect. if they don’t give that respect, you shoot em dead. if they guard us tight, we drive to the rim. this is basketball 101.

Are you saying that we need players to spread the floor? You mean Curry, Williams, Azubuike and maybe Morrow isn’t enough?
If they sag off Aminu, he seems to have a much improved jumper after working with Dave Hopla. He seems really coachable. I really think he’s a fit.

by LarryLegendofOracle on May 22, 2010 6:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

Seems like that’s relying an awful lot on one shooting performance to judge him, without even putting it into context….

by Missing Barry on May 26, 2010 1:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

To me, we’ve found 3 guys that can play the SF well for us- Iguodala, Mike Miller, and maybe Caron Butler. There really aren’t many players that can play the 3 well. We need a big guy at the 3, and Aminu would be great- he can rebound, defend, and shoot.

  I thought he can’t shoot? Which is it can shoot or can’t shoot? What makes you think he’ll be any better than I’z-a-blue-kitty or ReggieWTF both of whom we already have?

Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.

by Skeptic con Urquell on May 22, 2010 9:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

I thought he can’t shoot? Which is it can shoot or can’t shoot? What makes you think he’ll be any better than I’z-a-blue-kitty or ReggieWTF both of whom we already have?

He’s be the best defender on the team and one of the best rebounders on the team, right now.

I didn’t think he could shoot well, but after watching tape, and reading about his progress in the combine and after being easily coached to a better shot, I decided that he could shoot and that his real main problem is his ballhandling, which gets better over time for most players not named Tony Allen.

by LarryLegendofOracle on May 22, 2010 9:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

There isn’t a video of it. But I think I’ll take DraftExpress’s word for it.
We’ll see him in the workout circuit in a while, too.

by LarryLegendofOracle on May 23, 2010 7:05 AM PDT up reply actions  

Here. Aminu recently finished a couple of workout sessions in L.A.

Aside from his shooting, Aminu impressed in other ways as well, namely by showing off his excellent athleticism in transition drills. Catching a rebound on one end, Aminu looked completely natural putting the ball on the floor and taking it for a lay-up on the other end, doing it in just three dribbles every time, giving you an idea how much ground he is capable of quickly covering. Aminu’s body in general was also impressive as expected, and not something he needs much work on, with core training being the primary emphasis of his strength work at this stage as his body continues to naturally fill out.

Aminu’s work here is geared primarily toward making him a more complete player, with the specific work he’s doing likely to ease the transition to the small forward position should a team want to play him there. He certainly has the versatility to play either the 3 or the 4 with his outstanding defensive tools, but if he can really step up his shooting as he did here today while also continuing to refine his ball-handling skills, his best long-term potential likely lies at the small forward spot.

Aminu isn’t scheduling workouts until after the lottery drawing next week, and will continue to stay in Los Angeles working on his game in between workouts up until the draft. At only 19 years old, despite being a sophomore, Aminu is just 15 days older than John Wall and 38 days older than DeMarcus Cousins, which is another reason why many consider his upside to be so high. Unlikely to fall out of the top 10, Aminu should get plenty of looks early in the lottery and could definitely help himself with some good team workouts, especially if he keeps on improving during his training.

by LarryLegendofOracle on May 23, 2010 8:04 AM PDT up reply actions  

Aside from his shooting, Aminu impressed in other ways as well, namely by showing off his excellent athleticism in transition drills. Catching a rebound on one end, Aminu looked completely natural putting the ball on the floor and taking it for a lay-up on the other end, doing it in just three dribbles every time, giving you an idea how much ground he is capable of quickly covering. Aminu’s body in general was also impressive as expected, and not something he needs much work on, with core training being the primary emphasis of his strength work at this stage as his body continues to naturally fill out.

Aminu’s work here is geared primarily toward making him a more complete player, with the specific work he’s doing likely to ease the transition to the small forward position should a team want to play him there. He certainly has the versatility to play either the 3 or the 4 with his outstanding defensive tools, but if he can really step up his shooting as he did here today while also continuing to refine his ball-handling skills, his best long-term potential likely lies at the small forward spot.

Aminu isn’t scheduling workouts until after the lottery drawing next week, and will continue to stay in Los Angeles working on his game in between workouts up until the draft. At only 19 years old, despite being a sophomore, Aminu is just 15 days older than John Wall and 38 days older than DeMarcus Cousins, which is another reason why many consider his upside to be so high. Unlikely to fall out of the top 10, Aminu should get plenty of looks early in the lottery and could definitely help himself with some good team workouts, especially if he keeps on improving during his training.

by LarryLegendofOracle on May 23, 2010 8:04 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think it comes down to Aminu or Johnson

Whoever works out better for the W’s. Johnson may go even higher than 5 when it’s all said and done.

The only knock on him is age, which I think is ludicrous. He’s already a great shooter (60 TS%) and has the quickness and length to be a great wing defender. He wasn’t asked to handle the ball that much at Syracuse, but he’s got way better ball-handling skills than Aminu. His rebounding rate was also very good. Not only that, but he averaged almost 2 blocks and steals per game, which doesn’t get as much attention as it should. From watching his combine interview, he’s already extremely mature and knows what he brings to the table. He also models his game after Scottie Pippen, which I think is a legitimate comparison. Acutally, he’s probably a better shooter than Pippen.

If Johnson’s not there, we should go with Aminu. But Curry and Johnson together on the floor next year could be amazing to watch.

by Evanz on May 23, 2010 10:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

The only knock on him is age, which I think is ludicrous. He’s already a great shooter (60 TS%) and has the quickness and length to be a great wing defender. He wasn’t asked to handle the ball that much at Syracuse, but he’s got way better ball-handling skills than Aminu. His rebounding rate was also very good. Not only that, but he averaged almost 2 blocks and steals per game, which doesn’t get as much attention as it should. From watching his combine interview, he’s already extremely mature and knows what he brings to the table. He also models his game after Scottie Pippen, which I think is a legitimate comparison. Acutally, he’s probably a better shooter than Pippen.

Irony, right? They can both be a Pippen-type, especially if Aminu can shoot it, which he is showing progress at.
I agree that it’s between Aminu and Johnson. If Johnson drops, it would be a tough decision to make. If he doesn’t, I’d take Aminu.
Aminu has shot a pretty reasonable TS% at Wake Forest. He’s not as bad as Randolph was offensively in college (.51 TS%). After he switched to the PF, his EFF went up, but his TS% went down, and I can see why. He doesn’t really have a shot, which means that he’s already enough of an efficient scorer without a shot.
I agree that his ball-handling is better than Aminu’s, but Aminu does have the potential and has a huge edge on him in defensive experience and leadership. Aminu is used to being the only guy on the team to be able to defend multiple positions, which is perfect for the Warriors. And Johnson’s game will open up a lot with Nellieball, which he hopefully does not play.
But I’d like to see them go 1v1.
Wouldn’t it be fun to see Evans+Johnson vs Curry+Aminu, though?
Now that would be fun to watch. I think Johnson will go to Sacramento and that we might draft Aminu.
Aminu would add a lot of frontcourt depth to us, which we badly need, and Johnson would add some much-needed Sacramento shooting and wing depth.

by LarryLegendofOracle on May 23, 2010 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

i’m saying it now just so we can look back on this in a year or so. Aminu will not be anywhere near the player Johnson will be. Ever. I think we’d be wise to pass on aminu for a big man.

by Balance on May 24, 2010 11:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

What Aminu does do well is finish around the basket. We dont have anybody that can do that right now. How many times have u seen steph drop nice dimes only to have maggette or Turiaf mess it up by not finishing. Aminu and Steph will be on sportscenter every night.

by J-RIDAH on May 22, 2010 8:56 PM PDT reply actions  

every night? promise? you guys are making huge assumptions and expectations. He’s going to shut down Kobe, Roy and Durant? best defender and finisher on our team? man, he hasn’t even played in the league yet. I like the excitement and maybe he’ll be able to single handedly hold an entire team to 12 points in one game. We’ll see.

by Balance on May 23, 2010 12:02 AM PDT up reply actions  

He’s going to shut down Kobe, Roy and Durant? best defender and finisher on our team? man, he hasn’t even played in the league yet. I like the excitement and maybe he’ll be able to single handedly hold an entire team to 12 points in one game. We’ll see.

You’re exaggerating it. But he’s the best defender in the draft and he’ll be the best defender on our team on opening night.

by LarryLegendofOracle on May 23, 2010 7:04 AM PDT up reply actions  

Who would u say is the best defender currently on the Warriors roster?

by J-RIDAH on May 23, 2010 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions  

Who would u say is the best defender currently on the Warriors roster?

Turiaf. Maybe. Maybe Azubuike. But none of them are close to the defender is. And don’t deserve to be in the discussion of the defender Aminu could become.

by LarryLegendofOracle on May 23, 2010 11:23 AM PDT up reply actions  

he’s not the best defender in the draft, udoh, sanders, maybe others. He’s primarily potential right now. He’s not better than most players in the nba or on our current roster.

by Balance on May 24, 2010 11:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

he’s not the best defender in the draft, udoh, sanders, maybe others

Udoh can’t guard with the speed that aminu has, sanders is primarily potential. The consensus for now is that Aminu is the best defender in the draft.

by LarryLegendofOracle on May 26, 2010 1:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

We dont have anybody that can do that right now.

Well, we do have that Biedrins guy. He is one of the best players in the league at finishing around the basket, even if he needs someone else to create that shot for him….

by Missing Barry on May 26, 2010 1:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

Lol

So basically he’s one of the best players in the league at finishing after being set up. Right up there with Tyson Chandler and Sam Dalembert.

by caseycheesecake on May 26, 2010 2:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

Right up there with Tyson Chandler and Sam Dalembert.

Actually, much better than them. Biedrins has a higher FG% than anyone in the history of the NBA. He might need to be set up for most of those, but he catches and finishes among the very best the NBA has ever seen. You might want to discount that, but I’m not sure how you can after watching the ball clank off someone like Turiaf’s hands when he tries to do the same thing. Just because Biedrins doesn’t create the opportunity doesn’t make the extra points he gets that other C’s don’t in that situation any less valuable.

by Missing Barry on May 27, 2010 12:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

Non biased opinion of Aminu

He will be Mbah a Moute, capable of guarding may players, rebounds well but offensively may give you some dunks but nothing else

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by dubzfan on May 23, 2010 11:55 PM PDT reply actions  

Thats just false

Look at Mbah A Moute’s collegiate. He never averaged more than 9.2 PPG.

Don’t expect Aminu to be a huge offensive player, but he could see himself somewhere like Gerald Wallace

by tafkasam on May 24, 2010 9:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

Gerald Wallace is a very good scorer

I think that is wishful thinking

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by dubzfan on May 25, 2010 10:22 AM PDT up reply actions  

Aminu was a more efficient and more prolific scorer than Wallace in college. Better FT shooter, 3 pt shooter and rebounder too. Wallace didn’t really become a solid scorer until age 23, his 5th NBA season.

Not saying Aminu will have the same impressive career arc as Wallace, but based on their age 18-19 college performance it doesn’t doesn’t seem out of the realm of possibility. Shooting is the one area where 19 year-olds tend to improve; and Aminu is already ahead of where Wallace was at the same age. Beyond shooting, Aminu, like Wallace, seems all physical tools (length, explosiveness, motor) to be an excellent rebounder, defender and finisher at the rim.

I think I’d still rather have Johnson (or Cousins, if we’re lucky) but I won’t be at all bummed with Aminu at #6.

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by Sleepy Freud on May 25, 2010 2:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think I’d still rather have Johnson (or Cousins, if we’re lucky) but I won’t be at all bummed with Aminu at #6.

 If we get a Gerald Wallace quality player at #6 I’ll be satisfied.
      Who does everyone think has the most upside outside of the top 5or 6 consensus players? Any lower guys we should be looking at as potential stars? The only one I’ve noticed is Whitesides if he has the chance to be another Camby?

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by Skeptic con Urquell on May 25, 2010 2:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

You could be right. But based on Aminu’s age 19 game — long, quick, strong, fantastic rebounder, defender, rim-crasher, but sketchy shooter, ballhandler and passer — I think it’s fair to think of Wallace as his not-totally-ridiculous upside. Downside … maybe Renaldo Balkman? I don’t think that’s a bad range to be in when you’re picking #6 … especially when a long, athletic SF who can guard the likes of Durant and Melo is something the team, as currently constituted, totally lacks.

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by Sleepy Freud on May 25, 2010 3:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

Downside … maybe Renaldo Balkman? I don’t think that’s a bad range to be in when you’re picking #6 … especially when a long, athletic SF who can guard the likes of Durant and Melo is something the team, as currently constituted, totally lacks.

His downside is Thaddeus Young, who is sized as a guard without shoes and has a decent wingspan. Doubt he actually become Thaddeus, especially with his defensive versatility.

by LarryLegendofOracle on May 25, 2010 4:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

We don't really have much of an idea do we

He could turn out to be bad enough that he is out of the league in a few years. I think the chances of him becoming as good as G Wallace aren’t that great. I would be ecstatic if that happened, but I think that’s a stretch. There just aren’t that many players that get that good, and given that there are at least 5 players in this draft that people are excited about more than Aminu, it just doesn’t seem to me like the chances are that great that he will become an allstar. It isn’t that isn’t a far stretch to imagine that being a possibility, I just kinda doubt it will happen.

by freerandolph on May 25, 2010 4:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

He could turn out to be bad enough that he is out of the league in a few years. I think the chances of him becoming as good as G Wallace aren’t that great. I would be ecstatic if that happened, but I think that’s a stretch.

He could easily be better. He might become better defensively, and he ma be a better rebounder. He is already a better shooter and better in transition.

by LarryLegendofOracle on May 25, 2010 5:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

Whoa. Gerald Wallace is one of the top 3 transition players in the NBA, probably second only to Lebron.

Not to mention he shot 37% from three last season (and pulled down 10 rebounds a game). Wallace is really, really, really good, and Aminu is a 19 year old kid who hasn’t played an NBA game yet.

The only thing he’s better at than Wallace is being about two inches taller.

by Spider Jerusalem on May 25, 2010 5:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

Not to mention he shot 37% from three last season (and pulled down 10 rebounds a game).

He didn’t his rookie year. He was really good in college- but now he’s much improved.

by LarryLegendofOracle on May 25, 2010 5:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

Wallace shot 17.5% from 3 as a Freshman in college, and was 1 for 13 total in his first three seasons as a pro. He’s now at a pretty mediocre .316 for his NBA career.

Aminu shot 17.9% as a Freshman, 29.7% this year, and at least according to DX, is fast improving his outside stroke.

I kinda hope he doesn’t fall too in love with the 3 pt. stripe, but I think it’s very possible he gets to the level of Wallace or Marion from downtown.

Again, not predicting stardom for him, but mostly: so far so good.

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by Sleepy Freud on May 25, 2010 6:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

Again, not predicting stardom for him, but mostly: so far so good

His form was atrocious. He actually shoots much better from mid-range than he does from behind the line, but apparently it was his form that looked awkward and horrible. His shot seems to be fixed thanks to “the way he absorbs everything [a coach] tell[s] him” and Dave Hopla. In the lastest workout, he apparently shot over 50% from deep and over 75% from mid-range.
Even so, he is much better as a rebounder/hustle player/defender than most players, maybe as good as Wallace.
He doesn’t seem so fiery, when you look at him, though…

by LarryLegendofOracle on May 25, 2010 8:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

Haha

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by GovernorStephCurry on May 25, 2010 9:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

neither does Kevin Durant. They have the same demeanor.

by J-RIDAH on May 25, 2010 11:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

This sounds like it could be one of those situations where you’re comparing him to a guy with an unusual career path….though I don’t really know how unsuaul Gerald Wallace’s career path is, I just suspect it falls on the “unlikely” side of things….

by Missing Barry on May 26, 2010 1:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

when you say "easily"

what does that mean exactly? Are you saying the odds are better than 50/50? 90/10? What is your threshold for “easy”, because it’s all to “easy” to make these claims about college players.

Is Aminu a sure thing? I don’t think so.

by Evanz on May 26, 2010 9:17 AM PDT up reply actions  

what does that mean exactly?

If Aminu fills his upside, his frame, athleticism, and work ethic would make him ‘easily better’.

by LarryLegendofOracle on May 26, 2010 9:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

right...

Wallace is averaging 18/10 right now. You think Aminu will be a 20/12 guy?

by Evanz on May 26, 2010 2:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

No. But I think he has a huge upside.

by LarryLegendofOracle on May 26, 2010 2:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

Not really

He thinks that Aminu’s upside is better than Gerald Wallace.

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by Reverend_Randy on May 26, 2010 6:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

Who knows? I’m not comparing him to G Wallace. You can’t compare Curry to Nash, because he’s much better as a scorer. Aminu is much bigger, the same way. He might be a bit quicker in terms of being able to guard 1’s and 2’s in college.

by LarryLegendofOracle on May 26, 2010 6:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

yeah you did

compare Aminu to Wallace. Just a few posts above mine. That’s what I’m referring to.

Maybe you forgot?

by Evanz on May 26, 2010 7:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

He could turn out to be bad enough that he is out of the league in a few years. I think the chances of him becoming as good as G Wallace aren’t that great
-freerandolph

I didn’t start it. I think it just came into question when we couldn’t find anyone to compare him to. Regardless of how good he is, he probably won’t be a Wallace-type. Chances are he ends up different.

by LarryLegendofOracle on May 26, 2010 8:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

He might be a bit quicker in terms of being able to guard 1’s and 2’s in college.

Gerald Wallace could have done this effectively in college. That’s what happens when you’re an elite athlete playing college athletes….

by Missing Barry on May 27, 2010 12:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

You can’t compare Curry to Nash, because he’s much better as a scorer.

Wait, you’re not saying Curry’s much better a scorer than Nash, are you….?

by Missing Barry on May 27, 2010 12:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

As a Freshman at GaTech, Bad Thad averaged 4.9 rebounds in 29.6 minutes.
As a Freshman at Wake, Aminu averaged 8.2 rebounds in 29.0 minutes.
As a (young) sophomore, Aminu averaged 10.7 rebounds in 31.3 minutes.

Those are huge differences, in a hugely critical area in which players tend not to fluctuate much (though Thad did have an aberrant good-rebounding year as a rookie).

If all Aminu does is rebound like he did in college, he’s likely a better player than Thaddeus Young right out of the gate.

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by Sleepy Freud on May 25, 2010 5:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

If all Aminu does is rebound like he did in college, he’s likely a better player than Thaddeus Young right out of the gate.

I agree that it’s a ridiculous comparison, but DraftExpress apparently thinks Thaddeus Young is his floor. And Young isn’t bad, at all. I say Aminu’s a solid prospect.

by LarryLegendofOracle on May 25, 2010 5:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

Young really is pretty bad, though. But like I say below, it’s because he’s among the worst rebounders in the NBA. No reason to expect Aminu to follow suit.

by Missing Barry on May 26, 2010 1:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

The good news is Young sucks because he’s a godawful rebounder, which would have been easy to predict looking at his college stats. If he could rebound, he could actually play the 4 much more capably, which is where he belongs. Since he can’t rebound, he can’t play the 4 capably, nor can he play the 3 capably….so he’s just stuck sucking. Aminu can rebound.

by Missing Barry on May 26, 2010 1:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

I've been trying to come up with a comparison for Aminu and I really can't.

He’s a fair sight bigger than Wallace (and not as fast or quick), but more skilled and explosive than a guy like Balkman. He’s an interesting player.

Josh Smith is the one he reminds me of physically, but I think he has the quickness to play on the perimeter full-time (but I wouldn’t be shocked to see him end up at the 4, he really is pretty huge with that wingspan).

by Spider Jerusalem on May 25, 2010 5:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

Josh Smith is the one he reminds me of physically, but I think he has the quickness to play on the perimeter full-time (but I wouldn’t be shocked to see him end up at the 4, he really is pretty huge with that wingspan).

Balkman is absolute garbage. Wallace is much more of an SF.
Smith is more of a tweener PF, and he’s not that great defensively.

by LarryLegendofOracle on May 25, 2010 5:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

I know that steals and blocks aren't a perfect measure

but Smiff leads all PFs in blocks and steals, for what it’s worth.

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by Reverend_Randy on May 25, 2010 6:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

I’ much rather use synergy and use PPP, as in Points per Possession for opposing players Smoove has to guard.

by LarryLegendofOracle on May 25, 2010 6:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

Gerald Wallace is one of best players in the NBA, and quite possibly the most athletic outside of Lebron.

Aminu is arguably the best athlete in this draft- over John Wall. I think Wall might be as good an athlete as Wallace, and I think the athleticism difference between Aminu and Wallace isn’t big. Aminu is a freak, length and size-wise and he’s a freak athlete. I’d call him a tweener, but he’s kind of the opposite to me. He’s an SF in a PF’s body. From what I hear, his ability to handle in transition looked much better than usual in the combine workout, and his jump hook and his shot looked much improved after he worked with Dave Hopla. He’s really coachable. I think he could be the steal of the draft, if he works at it.

by LarryLegendofOracle on May 25, 2010 5:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think you're really underestimating Gerald Wallace.

He’s one of the fastest players in the league, and he’s 6’7".

Aminu isn’t close to him athletically, and Aminu is a hell of an athelete.

by Spider Jerusalem on May 26, 2010 10:15 AM PDT up reply actions  

Aminu isn’t close to him athletically, and Aminu is a hell of an athelete.

Yes, but Aminu is huge. If he fills his enormous upside, he’ll probably end up a better GWallace. Maybe.

by LarryLegendofOracle on May 26, 2010 10:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

A better Gerald Wallace is Lebron James.

Seriously. Being better than Gerald Wallace is right now is being a top 3-5 player in the NBA. Wallace is really, really, really, really good.

Aminu is huge, though. He’s a lot bigger than Wallace (so doesn’t have to be as athletic to finish like he does), and I like him a lot. But it’s way too early to say he’ll be that good imo.

by Spider Jerusalem on May 26, 2010 10:22 AM PDT up reply actions  

But it’s way too early to say he’ll be that good imo.

Not saying he’ll be Lebron. And Wallace isn’t that good. He’s not a Lebron, but he’s really good, I agree. I’m saying that that’s probably Aminu’s ceiling. Aminu doesn’t have a ton of unfixable faults about him.

by LarryLegendofOracle on May 26, 2010 10:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

A better Gerald Wallace is Lebron James.

I think there’s a case to be made for Wallace as the second-best SF ion the league (or maybe third, after Durant), but dude, there’s a key difference here: LeBron has the passing skills, handles and court vision to be a point guard, where Wallace isn’t even a good passer by power forward standards. Wallace is basically a 4 who’s quick enough to guard 3s. Just a completely different player from LeBron.

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by Sleepy Freud on May 26, 2010 11:43 AM PDT up reply actions  

That's why I said a "better Gerald Wallace".

My point is that Wallace is an elite player, and if someone is saying that Aminu is going to be better than an elite player, you’re getting into whatever the hell is above elite which would be the space occupied by Lebron (and probably Wade).

by Spider Jerusalem on May 27, 2010 11:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think you're overrating G Wallace

There is definitely room for growth in between him and Lebron. A lot of it actually. I don’t think Wallace is top 10 player in the league probably. There have been lots of lists around here recently and I don’t remember anyone putting him as a top 10 player.
Wallace isn’t as good as Paul, D Williams, Nowitski, Howard, and a bunch of players that aren’t as good as Lebron.
But anyways :p
I really like Wallace and if we drafted someone who had a comparably successful career, I would be ecstatic.

by freerandolph on May 26, 2010 11:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

Actually

since a lot of guys like the wages of wins stats around here, I’ll note that:

Wallace is 7th in terms of WP48 (players who played more than 1000 minutes)
3rd in terms of WP (behind Howard and LeBron)

by Evanz on May 26, 2010 2:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

I need a link. Is there a link to WP48 and WP for college players?

by LarryLegendofOracle on May 26, 2010 2:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

oh, misread your question

I don’t know about college players.

by Evanz on May 26, 2010 3:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

I really think that GWallace

is better than those guys that aren’t named Paul and Howard.

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by Reverend_Randy on May 26, 2010 4:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

hmmmm

It seems strange to me how much opinions like this fluctuate. I remember a lot of people on this site didn’t want to trade for Wallace a couple years ago when it was discussed, a few months ago when people were making top 10 lists I don’t think I saw his name mentioned once (and no one said it should have been), Now he’s a top 5 player in the league… hmmmm

by freerandolph on May 26, 2010 5:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

Gerald Wallace just had a killer season

I didn’t say top 5, I just said better than DWill and Nowitzki.
Howard and Paul are definitely top 5, and Nowitzki is definitely not top 10. Honestly, he didn’t even cross my mind when I was making my top 10 list, but GWallace definitely deserves consideration there. He’s that good defensively, and is pretty good offensively.
He’s probably in that 7-12 range, really.

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by Reverend_Randy on May 26, 2010 6:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

I mentioned him several times

in GovStephCurry’s “Top 10 Player” thread a week ago.

by Evanz on May 26, 2010 7:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

Good call

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by Reverend_Randy on May 26, 2010 9:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

I’d put Nowitzki and WIlliams over Wallace easily. Wallace is nice, but I’m not necessarily sure he’s much better than Iguodala, for instance. Maybe in the 10-20 range, but I’d put Williams and Nowitzki in the top 10, or at least in competition for the #10 spot.

by Missing Barry on May 27, 2010 12:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

I've been thinking about it a little

Wallace probably will never rebound like he did this season again. He just had the best year of his career by a wide margin.

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by Reverend_Randy on May 27, 2010 7:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

He spent a lot of time playing PF this season, which makes his rebounding look a little more impressive than if you take it at face value and think of him as a SF.

by Missing Barry on May 30, 2010 3:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

Luc Richard Mbah a Moute:
6-7, 7-0 wingspan, 8-7.5 standing reach
Al-Farouq Aminu
6-8, 7-4 wingspan, 9-0.5 standing reach

Mbah a Moute:

Mbah a Moute started off the game attacking the basket strong, but meeting fierce competition in the form of Florida center Joakim Noah. Early in the first half, Mbah a Moute had two shots blocked by Noah as well as one more altered, which seemed to drastically change his appoach to the game. Following these possessions, he started looking very tentative, even scared, when he received the ball on the perimeter. He’d either pass the ball away or pull up for the mid-range or three-point jumper, both of which he was unable to hit. Once the game was out of reach with under 10 minutes to go, Mbah a Moute’s aggressiveness returned in the form of a wide open lay-up, a wide open jam, and a putback jam. But for the part of the game that counted, Mbah a Moute was just not very effective.

Al-Farouq Aminu:
Aminu appears to have made some strides in the post, seeing nearly twice as many possessions with his back to the basket as he did last season, and finding solid results in turn. He’s making more of a commitment to use his body to carve out space in the paint, and has terrific extension on his jump-hook to get his shot off cleanly. As his frame continues to fill out and his footwork improves, this could become a major weapon down the road.

Defensively, Aminu continues to impress, as he not only has outstanding physical tools to help get the job done, but he also seems extremely committed to the task. Aminu’s freakish wingspan makes it nearly impossible to shoot over him in the post, as he appears to alter pretty much everything that is in his area thanks to his length. Improving his lower body strength will help him even more, as at times he tends to give up position too deep in the post to stronger big men.

Unlike on the offensive end, he is equally effective as a small forward or power forward, and is versatile enough to switch onto pretty much any type of player in pick and roll situations, making him extremely valuable in today’s NBA. Oftentimes Wake Forest’s coaching staff elects to put him on the opposing team’s point guard for short stretches, something he’s capable of doing thanks to his terrific length and lateral quickness. Even when he gets beat off the dribble, he’s often athletic enough to just recover and come up with a big block from behind.
The difference? Mbah a Moute has a decent NBA body, comparable to that of Josh Smith:
6-7, 7-0 wingspan or Danny Granger: 6-7, 7-1 winspan.
Aminu is a freak. If you round out his measurements: 6-9, 7-4. And his standing reach would be 9-1.
They’re going to play different positions. A 9-1 standing reach is big enough to guards NBA PF’s, and Aminu has that. There’s a slight difference between having an above average NBA body and having a freak-of-nature body, like Aminu does. Aminu’s probably the better rebounder, defender, and he may be a better athlete, better post-player, better finisher, etc.
Aminu has the physical tools that not a lot of players have, at all.

Saying Aminu is going to be Luc Richard is like saying ’he’s a miniature Josh Smith,’
Josh Smith:
6-8, 7-0 winspan, 8-10 standing reach.

by LarryLegendofOracle on May 24, 2010 10:12 AM PDT up reply actions  

sorry about that.

Defensively, Aminu continues to impress, as he not only has outstanding physical tools to help get the job done, but he also seems extremely committed to the task. Aminu’s freakish wingspan makes it nearly impossible to shoot over him in the post, as he appears to alter pretty much everything that is in his area thanks to his length. Improving his lower body strength will help him even more, as at times he tends to give up position too deep in the post to stronger big men.

Unlike on the offensive end, he is equally effective as a small forward or power forward, and is versatile enough to switch onto pretty much any type of player in pick and roll situations, making him extremely valuable in today’s NBA. Oftentimes Wake Forest’s coaching staff elects to put him on the opposing team’s point guard for short stretches, something he’s capable of doing thanks to his terrific length and lateral quickness. Even when he gets beat off the dribble, he’s often athletic enough to just recover and come up with a big block from behind.
The difference? Mbah a Moute has a decent NBA body, comparable to that of Josh Smith:
6-7, 7-0 wingspan or Danny Granger: 6-7, 7-1 winspan.
Aminu is a freak. If you round out his measurements: 6-9, 7-4. And his standing reach would be 9-1.
They’re going to play different positions. A 9-1 standing reach is big enough to guards NBA PF’s, and Aminu has that. There’s a slight difference between having an above average NBA body and having a freak-of-nature body, like Aminu does. Aminu’s probably the better rebounder, defender, and he may be a better athlete, better post-player, better finisher, etc.
Aminu has the physical tools that not a lot of players have, at all.

by LarryLegendofOracle on May 24, 2010 10:14 AM PDT up reply actions  

Unlike on the offensive end, he is equally effective as a small forward or power forward, and is versatile enough to switch onto pretty much any type of player in pick and roll situations, making him extremely valuable in today’s NBA. Oftentimes Wake Forest’s coaching staff elects to put him on the opposing team’s point guard for short stretches, something he’s capable of doing thanks to his terrific length and lateral quickness. Even when he gets beat off the dribble, he’s often athletic enough to just recover and come up with a big block from behind.
The difference? Mbah a Moute has a decent NBA body, comparable to that of Josh Smith:
6-7, 7-0 wingspan or Danny Granger: 6-7, 7-1 winspan.
Aminu is a freak. If you round out his measurements: 6-9, 7-4. And his standing reach would be 9-1.
They’re going to play different positions. A 9-1 standing reach is big enough to guards NBA PF’s, and Aminu has that. There’s a slight difference between having an above average NBA body and having a freak-of-nature body, like Aminu does. Aminu’s probably the better rebounder, defender, and he may be a better athlete, better post-player, better finisher, etc.
Aminu has the physical tools that not a lot of players have, at all.

by LarryLegendofOracle on May 24, 2010 10:14 AM PDT up reply actions  

One important measurement is missing from your analysis

Aminu weighs in at 216 lb. Mbah a Moute is listed at 230, but I’m guessing he’s put on some weight since he’s gotten into the league. Aminu needs to bulk up to handle the PF spot on offense or defense.

by Evanz on May 24, 2010 2:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

Aminu needs to bulk up to handle the PF spot on offense or defense.

Of course, I agree that Aminu needs to bulk up-

but he can fill his frame well past what he is now. Perhaps 235 or so.

But hey, 216 at age 19-
better than Randolph weighing in at 197 at the combine, right?

by LarryLegendofOracle on May 24, 2010 3:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

Of course I am not arguing body size but how good he will be and how he may be used

A hybrid forward that is a lock down defender with little offense. There styles are very similar as well

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by dubzfan on May 25, 2010 10:24 AM PDT up reply actions  

He’s more like a PF with the skill set of an SF. His standing reach is 9-1. That’s above average for a PF.
 He doesn’t screw up on every drive and every shot. Like Greg Monroe, he needs to become more polished. He seems to be getting along fine in the circuit.

by LarryLegendofOracle on May 25, 2010 10:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

he definitely measures well

not Larry Sanders (7’4" wingspan and 9’4" standing reach), but pretty good. The thing is he’s really another tweener. Not quite strong enough to be effective at PF, and not yet a good enough shooter to play SF. He’s a project like Randolph was (and still is).

by Evanz on May 25, 2010 12:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

not Larry Sanders (7’4" wingspan and 9’4" standing reach), but pretty good. The thing is he’s really another tweener. Not quite strong enough to be effective at PF, and not yet a good enough shooter to play SF. He’s a project like Randolph was (and still is).

Sanders doesn’t have nearly the mobility or quickness Aminu has, doesn’t have the handes, doesn’t have the shooting ability or nearly the defensive ability Aminu has. He’s also not as good a rebouner.

And he can handle and shoot- those were his go-to-moves, that and his hook shot in the post. He just isn’t very polished. Unlike Randolph, he has a very good frame for his height, and he is a hustle player. Also, he seems very, very coachable. I like Aminu a lot more than Randolph. Randolph, at least can bulk up and play the C. Aminu, however, just needs the develop the handles and shot, which, from what I hear, he’s already doing.

by LarryLegendofOracle on May 25, 2010 2:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

At least shooting is a skill that’s easy to work on and often improves substantially for players….

by Missing Barry on May 26, 2010 1:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

(Tyreke)

sorry i couldn’t resist.

But seriously, I read a a report about how Aminu has great work ethic and has already improved his shot working with a coach before the combine.

by caseycheesecake on May 26, 2010 3:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

But seriously, I read a a report about how Aminu has great work ethic and has already improved his shot working with a coach before the combine.

I did too. Link?

by LarryLegendofOracle on May 26, 2010 4:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

I didn’t say it has to improve, just that it can with the work. Do you have any reason to believe Tyreke really puts in the work to be a good shooter?

by Missing Barry on May 27, 2010 12:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

Aminu having a longer reach than Monroe is what really made me change my mind about taking monroe. What can Monroe do better than Aminu if he cant rebound better than Aminu? If we can have Aminu guard 3’s and 4’s that would be good. Then if Randolph or Wright goes down were set or if Azubuike goes down.

by J-RIDAH on May 25, 2010 1:24 PM PDT reply actions  

Yeah, I think scouts/draft websites are aware of this

there is probably a good reason that they aren’t bring it up.

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by Reverend_Randy on May 25, 2010 8:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

And Tyreke was charged with being involved in a murder…

by LarryLegendofOracle on May 25, 2010 8:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

Tyreke was never charged

But yes, he was involved in a murder. From the facts I have read it seems pretty difficult to figure out if he knew it was about to go down but it seems like he could definitely have been charged with being an accessory after the fact (have already written about it somewhere else around here). Either way though, he wasn’t charged with anything because he was willing to talk to the police and testify.

Could some of you maybe use a condom once in a while?

by wallywagon11 on May 26, 2010 12:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

It's a freaking BB gun.

There’s no context. He could easily have been playing around with his friends and accidentally shot someone who got in the way.

by Screwfish on May 26, 2010 10:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

I didn't realize that you could

do a drive by shooting with a BB Gun.

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by Reverend_Randy on May 25, 2010 9:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

Didn't know you don't mind being shot at with a BB gun.

Hey look. I think there are questions about Aminu’s abiliy at the Pro level. I don’t think he would be a bad pick. We could end up with him and I would cheer him on.

But why all the glossing over anything bad we should be looking at?

by JSML on May 25, 2010 10:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

Oh

it’s not that I like being shot at with a BB Gun, but lets be honest about what he did. A drive by shooting HEAVILY implies real guns, like he committed a serious violent crime. If it was a gun, I would probably not want anything to do with him.
That happened 3 years ago when he was in highschool. He was 16. He has completed his probation and community service requirements without further trouble. If it happened during this last year, there might be some cause for alarm.

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by Reverend_Randy on May 26, 2010 12:14 AM PDT up reply actions  

Still think you're down playing this thing.

How is March 14, 2008 3 years ago?

In another vocation, you would look at this as a serious concern.

I don’t think you can say it is not a cause for alarm. The best you can say is you hope it is not a cause for alarm.

by JSML on May 26, 2010 12:46 AM PDT up reply actions  

The best you can say is you hope it is not a cause for alarm.

I hope Tyreke killing someone and not getting charged for it is not a cause for alarm.

by LarryLegendofOracle on May 26, 2010 9:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

I was going off of a different

source that said March 07, not 08. Regardless- he was still a minor when it happened. 17 years old, rather than 16.
I guess I just think that it was a stupid mistake, rather than a malicious one. He showed great remorse for his actions and hasn’t done anything really stupid since then. He learned from it.
"…I guess it humbled me even more. It doesn’t matter who you are. The world looks at you just the same," he told the Winston-Salem Journal.

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by Reverend_Randy on May 26, 2010 4:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

Funny story about BB guns:

My health teacher was an EMT and he went to a scene where a kid got shot in the cheek. The BB stuck inside his cheeck. His grandma then proceded to sit on his face and try to dig it out with a BUTTER KNIFE intead of just using her fingers to kinda nudge and move it back to the hole and plop it out.

The kid had to have reconstructive surgery.

by caseycheesecake on May 26, 2010 12:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

If my grandma ever sat on my face, I’d be pretty messed up, butter knife or no butter knife…

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by Sleepy Freud on May 26, 2010 12:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

His Ford Explorer?

How the hell did he get that car?

Thanks for the link. At least it sounds like Evans could be an innocent bystander.

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by JSML on May 25, 2010 11:23 PM PDT reply actions  

Matt Steinmetz just said he thinks the Warriors will take Xavier Henry with the 6th pick.

by J-RIDAH on May 26, 2010 12:40 PM PDT reply actions  

Yowza, talk about a wild card. Makes a little sense if we have a deal in place to flip Monta for Iguodala. #6 seems like a bit of a reach, though … maybe Memphis gets involved, with Monta and the #6 going to Memphis, Thabeet and Mayo going to Philly, and Iguodala and Memphis’ #12 (Henry) coming to the Bay…?

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by Sleepy Freud on May 26, 2010 1:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

Matt Steinmetz doesn’t regard everything, but he gives straight-forward answers and is more in touch with the organization than we are. But I think Henry at #6 would be horrible. I think Monroe is just as bad. We already have a lefty big that can’t guard anyone, is a decent decision-maker and a good passer, and can rebound. His name is Andris. We already have a big that can shoot lefty without great range. His name is Anthony. We already have a big with a solid basketball IQ that is a lefty with an unpolished low-post game. His name is Brandan. The organization certainly has the potential to be stupid enough to draft a Monroe or Henry at #6. God help them if they target a player that won’t be an upgrade or that we don’t need.

by LarryLegendofOracle on May 26, 2010 1:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

chad ford has Cousins coming to GS.

by J-RIDAH on May 26, 2010 1:38 PM PDT reply actions  

He isn’t. Sac is taking him- or maybe some other place. I don’t see him going that low.

by LarryLegendofOracle on May 26, 2010 1:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

why not?

You seem to like Aminu an awful lot. Maybe Sac will share your love.

by Evanz on May 26, 2010 2:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

Actually, Aminu would be perfect for them. They have a slashing SG/PG. They have a big lineup. They need a guy to rebound, and play defense well that can evantually shoot and slash a bit. And they could use a big that can run the floor. That actually isn’t a diss. They might consider him over Wes, which I probably wouldn’t. I’d most likely take Wes over Aminu if I had to, but as you can see, I really like Aminu.

by LarryLegendofOracle on May 26, 2010 2:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

Chad Ford

has Sac taking Aminu. It’s interesting, because they have Landry and Thompson. I suppose they play Landry at PF and Thompson at C, so they don’t really have a need for Cousins, unless they don’t like Thompson (although I doubt that). Sacramento is actually looking pretty set. If I were them, I’d take Wes, because he would give them more scoring up front. Aminu, Landry, and Thompson would be a pretty formidable front line defensively, though.

by Evanz on May 26, 2010 3:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

Could you copy and paste what he says about Aminu.
Also, the need a low-post player to balance the offense.

by LarryLegendofOracle on May 26, 2010 3:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

here you go

Minny – WJ

Analysis: The Wolves are exploring possibilities of moving up in the draft. Evan Turner is their target and they have the assets to make a deal with either Philly or New Jersey.

If they keep the pick, Johnson seems like a terrific fit. He’s long and athletic, rebounds from the 3 spot and can hit an open jumper. Some believe he’s the next Shawn Marion.

Sac – Aminu

Analysis: It’s not easy to figure out which way the Kings are going right now. They play things close to the chest, and last year we got it wrong all the way up until the day of the draft.

This year is not that much different. They aren’t really hurting at any one particular position, with the possible exception of center.

Cousins could make some sense here, but for now the word (albeit a shaky one) has Aminu in the lead.

by Evanz on May 26, 2010 3:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

everything above is a quote

not sure why it didn’t put all the text in quote boxes.

by Evanz on May 26, 2010 3:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

happens to me all the time.

by LarryLegendofOracle on May 26, 2010 3:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

They have a slashing SG/PG

Curious, why do you think that’s a good fit next to Aminu?

by Missing Barry on May 27, 2010 12:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

I have a feeling Wes or Cousins will fall 2 us. Aminu is impressing people. Hopefully he’ll impress Sac.

by J-RIDAH on May 26, 2010 3:19 PM PDT reply actions  

I have a feeling Wes or Cousins will fall 2 us. Aminu is impressing people. Hopefully he’ll impress Sac.

 I hope either Sacto or Warriors get Cuz cause i’d like to be able to go watch him play.

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by Skeptic con Urquell on May 26, 2010 4:43 PM PDT reply actions  

Bad News about Aminu from the physical combine

Al-Farouq Aminu gets the rep as an off-the-charts athlete, but he didn’t really show it here. His 33.5-inch vertical was disappointing and so were his speed numbers.

Player – No step vert – Max vert – Bench press (185 lbs) – Lane agility – 3/4 court sprint reach

Al-Farouq Aminu 27.0 – 33.5 – 13 – 11.3 – 3.3

Wesley Johnson 32.0 – 37.0 – 16 – 11.4 – 3.1

Luke Babbitt – 29.5 – 37.5 – 15 – 11.0 – 3.4

by Tore a Bore a on May 27, 2010 5:19 PM PDT reply actions  

Who should we draft at no.6? A big man. Here’s my input on why:

1. We have many, many wing players. Monta, Maggette, CJ, Morrow, Reggie, Azubuike. They all contribute in the same way and that’s scoring. Now, you can say we should draft a wing like Johnson or Aminu since they can contribute on the defensive end (especially Aminu) and Johnson can score/rebound, which leads me to reason #2.

2. I think we have a good core in Wright, Randolph, Turiaf, and Biedrins. I don’t mind at all, though I’d love an upgrade, I’m fine. But, looking at their past injuries should bring a concern. Wright missed the whole season, Randolph missed most while Beans and Turiaf missed half each. In addition, Turiaf and Beans played through injuries, which made it worst. Drafting a big man can help us a lot. Maybe he can develop into someone that we need downlow. Relying on our current big men to be healthy is something that we shouldn’t do, and having a back up big who is has some talent would be nice. Remember, we lost most games because our big men weren’t there. Last season we had to use Hunter and Tolliver and they weren’t all that great. Would you rather have a guy like Greg Monroe/Cole Aldrich/Ed Davis or Anthony “I shoot 3’s all day even though I don’t make most of them” Tolliver or Chris “I’m a pretty fragile guy who gets my a** kicked downlow” Hunter?

If Wes Johnson/Aminu (most likely) is there then Riley should consider taking them because they can help this team, but drafting a big man should be our priority. Now, I’m basing my prospective on if we don’t make a move. If we do make a move and get rid of some wing players (Monta, Maggs, whatever), then I can see us drafting Johnson/Aminu. I’m not against drafting Johnson/Aminu at all, in fact I prefer drafting Johnson if he’s there. But if we aren’t planning to make any moves this offseason, then a talented big man can help us, right?

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