RUMOR: Cleveland Cavaliers to re-visit trade talks with Golden State Warriors + Nearly 2 trades this past season
by Atma Brother ONE on May 24, 2010 9:10 PM PDT
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From Cavaliers owner Dan Gilbert offers bullish optimism after dismissing Mike Brown as coach on Cleveland.com:
It is possible the Cavs will re-visit trade talks with the Golden State Warriors -- who they nearly made two different trades with last season -- and perhaps the Philadelphia 76ers among others.
Unless it's a salary dump of some sort for Corey Maggette like Maggette for Leon Powe (always welcome in the Bay!), Anthony Parker (his sister is really cool), J.J. Hickson (interesting prospect), and Delonte West (trust me he won't be a Cav much longer) [ESPN trade machine], I can't really see a trade between the Dubs and Cavs.
I wouldn't mind something like Andris Biedrins + Brandan Wright for Antawn Jamison, but I doubt that happens. That's a whole lot of injury risk for the Cavs for essentially one fantastic rebounder with zero upside. By the way props to good old 'Twan. His goofy shot-puts and "nifty" hooks have aged really well. Jamison is good for 20-9 for the remaining 2 years on his very reasonable deal.
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I wouldn’t mind something like Andris Biedrins + Brandan Wright for Antawn Jamison, but I doubt that happens. That’s a whole lot of injury risk for the Cavs for essentially one fantastic rebounder with zero upside. By the way props to good old ’Twan. His goofy shot-puts and “nifty” hooks have aged really well. Jamison is good for 20-9 for the remaining 2 years on his very reasonable deal.
Highway Robbery. I wouldn’t trade BWright for Jamison. Wright still has all the potential to be a starting PF in nba and is 22! Antawn? Really are we so desperate to be a 30 win team???
Atma, we know you hate the two, but you should realize how badly we would be burned in that deal.
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by GovernorStephCurry on May 24, 2010 9:32 PM PDT up reply actions
Don’t you find it funny Atma made it sound like they get the bad end of the deal?
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by GovernorStephCurry on May 24, 2010 9:36 PM PDT up reply actions
Starting PF
So we give up on AR already? relegate him to the 5 or what?
Take my bags, not my top 3 pick!
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by Badly Browned on May 24, 2010 9:57 PM PDT up reply actions
Lets cross that bridge when/if it ever comes
If either turn into a good starter that would be a step in the right direction. If they can even stay healthy it would be a step in the right direction!
by freerandolph on May 24, 2010 10:00 PM PDT up reply actions
better hope so
I don’t know about you, but I am rather tired of seeing Maggs doing his best PF impression
Take my bags, not my top 3 pick!
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by Badly Browned on May 24, 2010 10:04 PM PDT up reply actions
anyone who thinks Biedrins and B Wright for Jamison is a good deal for the Warriors...
is taking crazy pills. Almost as bad as AB’s suggestion earlier in the season that we should try to trade for Arenas.
Exactly
Trade away your best rebounder and best young forward for a no-defense old man?
by caseycheesecake on May 25, 2010 12:21 PM PDT up reply actions
What would we do with Tawn?
He does not fill a need. Maggs for Powe and something else would be nice
Don't worry about the world coming to an end today. It is already tomorrow in Australia
I will streak naked downtown if Riley makes it happen :P
Take my bags, not my top 3 pick!
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by Badly Browned on May 24, 2010 9:58 PM PDT up reply actions
I will shoot lasers out of my eyes if Riley makes that happen
by freerandolph on May 24, 2010 10:01 PM PDT up reply actions
I will watch you shoot lasers out of your eyes if that happens.
"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."
I would sell a testicle on the black market if that happened.
Come on Riley…Monta, Maggette, Biedrins and first rounders until 2020 to the Cavs would be a fair deal there as far as I’m concerned.
Leon Powe..
I’ve always liked him .. How tall is he, is he a PF or C?
Only if it's for LeBron, or a small trade for Powe.
Ellis, Wright, Morrow, Biedrins, Maggette, and the 6th pick for LeBron. No way they would find a better deal than that, even though they most likely won’t do a sign and trade. That would give them a potential starting 5 to help replace LeBron. Not that it would ever happen, but it’s fun to throw sme ideas out there. I know we would have to throw in either Curry, AR, or both, so I wouldn’t do it.
HAHA, i’d trade Curry, AR, Biedrins, Monta, BW, 3 first round picks, Chris Cohan, and Atma for Lebron. What are you smokin’?
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by GovernorStephCurry on May 24, 2010 10:08 PM PDT up reply actions
And ownership of the Bakersfield Jam.
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by GovernorStephCurry on May 24, 2010 10:09 PM PDT up reply actions
Keep in mind Lebron has to want to come to the Warriors, too – every asset we include in a trade is one less asset we have to convince Lebron to come to us in a sign and trade….
by Missing Barry on May 25, 2010 10:46 AM PDT up reply actions
I know we would have to throw in either Curry, AR, or both, so I wouldn’t do it.
Hehe. I don’t think there’s a combination of players on the Warriors that the Cavs would take in a trade for LeBron. Curry, AR, Biedrins, and the #6 for LeBron? The Cavs don’t make that trade. Put Monta in there, take on their bad contracts and the Cavs still don’t make the trade. LeBron is that good. If I had LeBron, I’m only trading him if I get a superstar plus more in return.
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by Fantasy Junkie on May 25, 2010 11:52 AM PDT up reply actions
Well, what if the alternative is letting him walk for nothing? Assuming LeBron agrees to a S/T (a pretty silly assumption, but just for fun) all we’d have to offer is something that’s more appealing than the next-best offer, and more appealing than $15-20M worth of cap space. I wouldn’t give up Curry, as he’s the only conceivable reason LeBron would consider coming here. (Beyond their being pals, and fellow Akron-Ohioans, their games would seem to complement each other beautifully). But I’d gladly give up anything else totalling $15-20M, plus the #6 pick. Say, Monta, Maggs, Wright and Aminu/Wes Johnson?
Curry
ReggieW/Morrow
James/Azubuike
Randolph
Biedrins/Turiaf
Throw in a vet big body and a vet backup PG, and that’s a championship contender, I think…
/wakes up/
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on May 25, 2010 12:43 PM PDT up reply actions
i would like to get hickson actually
i think he would work great in our system, hes a very athletic pf, he can dribble pretty well, run the floor, hes actually got a lot of potential.
He’s as good as Tolli, thats all i will say.
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by GovernorStephCurry on May 24, 2010 10:33 PM PDT up reply actions
well considering he is a free agent ...
Could some of you maybe use a condom once in a while?
by wallywagon11 on May 25, 2010 9:23 AM PDT up reply actions
i like the idea of a trade..
just not any of those. there is no one on the cavs who interests me with the exception of LJ. if we can use our pick to package maggette im down but not if we have to give up B Wright or AR
Post went south once Antawn Jamison was mention
Foolish rubbish to suggest Biedrins and another player for AJ.
Meds?
Just a request
1) Go look at the actual numbers (not the pro-rated per 36)/ contracts/ injuries of Antawn Jamison, Andris Biedrins, and Brandan Wright the past few seasons.
2) Go over to Fear the Sword and suggest Andris Biedrins + Brandan Wright for Antawn Jamison.
3) Don’t get upset when they laugh in your face.
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by Atma Brother ONE on May 25, 2010 9:11 AM PDT reply actions
i was thinking the same thing
Could some of you maybe use a condom once in a while?
by wallywagon11 on May 25, 2010 9:25 AM PDT up reply actions
The thing is, Jamison turns 34 next month, an age at which players start to decline pretty rapidly. Even at his peak he was nothing spectacular, and he’s already showing signs of slipping. He was last seen completely MIA in the decisive Game 6 v. Boston: 2 for 10 FG, 5 points, 5 boards, 0 dimes in 30 minutes. He’s slipped as a rebounder, doesn’t pass, isn’t a very efficient scorer (much less so than AB or BW), doesn’t defend the perimeter very well, and doesn’t defend the rim at all. He’s turning into a glorified 3-point shooter, perhaps the one area in which the Warriors don’t need help. And … he’s still due $28.6M over the next two seasons, more than Biedrins and Wright will make combined.
I’m not one for hanging out on other fansites, but if I were to propose that deal on FtS and anyone there laughed in my face, I wouldn’t get upset; I’d just assume they were either (a) homers, or (b) cranky ’cos their team, for the second-straight season, had blown a golden shot at a championship, and were about to lose the best player in the world and start svcking for the forseeable future. On the bright side, they still have the Browns and Indians… :,-(
Only way you even consider turning that deal down, imo, is if LeBron decides to stay on, and you think you can squeeze another semi-productive year out of Jamison. Even then, I think Wright/Biedrins makes them a much better team. And if (more likely scenario, I think) LeBron walks, getting Wright and Biedrins for a declining, overpaid mediocrity like Jamison seems like an absolutely, ridiculously fantastic deal for them.
Perhaps I should go over to Clips Nation and see if they’ll give us Blake Griffin and Chris Kaman for Corey Maggette?…
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on May 25, 2010 10:04 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
1) Go look at the actual numbers (not the pro-rated per 36)/ contracts/ injuries of Antawn Jamison, Andris Biedrins, and Brandan Wright the past few seasons.
You’re right. It’s totally fair to compare per game numbers for a guy who’s played 38 minutes per game to guys who’ve played 27 and 13 respectively. That’s totally reasonable. And, for the record, Andris’ 12/11 on 58% shooting compares pretty favorably with Antawn’s 22/9 on 47% shooting… and that’s completely ignoring that Antawn played 26% more minutes.
2) Go over to Fear the Sword and suggest Andris Biedrins + Brandan Wright for Antawn Jamison.
You’re right. Fans on SBN sites are ALWAYS smart and objective. I bet you could make a poll on GSoM and get 80% of the people to say yes to: “Anthony Randolph is going to have a better career than Chris Bosh.” If you’re expecting objectivity and good decision making to come from a fan website, you have problems.
3) Don’t get upset when they laugh in your face.
Yeah, this is a throw away. Try harder next time. I understand that it’s hard to come up with new material to support your tired old arguments, but please try harder next time.
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by Dubs fan in Boston on May 25, 2010 10:50 AM PDT up reply actions
Go look at the actual numbers (not the pro-rated per 36)
Do we still not understand why we use rate stats? I don’t get why in other sports, nobody seems to complain about rate stats – like completion percentage and yards per attempt for a QB in football, or BA, OBP, wOBA or ERA in baseball, but it’s some sort of issue in basketball? What’s the problem? There’s a set number of minutes in the game. How you produce per minute matters because minutes you don’t play are played by someone else.
Overall, Jamison is old and sucks. He’s not a good rebounder. He’s not an effective scorer. He doesn’t pass well. He doesn’t play good defense. The only thing he does well is not turn the ball over, but other than that, he doesn’t do a single thing well. It’s kind of like saying “remember when Neifi Perez had 65 runs in 2002? He wasn’t half bad.” A closer look at his batting average of .236, his on base percentage of .260 and slugging percentage of .303 tell you that he was actually awful, though. There’s a reason when you google “Neifi Perez Fangraphs”, instead of coming up with his Fangraphs page as the first result like most players, it comes up with an article titled “The Worst Season in Recent History”, referring to that same 2002 season he scored 65 runs. We use rate stats for a reason.
Side note: of course Brian Sabean went out and signed him to be a starter after 2002. Sigh.
by Missing Barry on May 25, 2010 10:55 AM PDT up reply actions
To be clear I’m perfectly fine with per 36 and other pro-rated stats in general (I cite them all the time), but they overrate Biedrins recent contributions (especially with his recent injuries, silly fouling, complete dependability on others to score, relative low stamina in the long term, and terribly soft D- not that Jamison is an all-world defender) just as JAE noted in his report card.
Biedrins and Wright are HUGE injury risks. Taking on their contracts (mostly Biedrins) is a HUGE financial risk. That cannot be understated.
Jamison’s struggles against the Celtics are somewhat irrelevant here. That’s just a bad matchup for him. It’s not like he’s putting up those numbers against the rest of the NBA. I’m honestly not too worried about his age as well because of his style of play. He’s not relying on raw athletic talent; he’s relying on some (very strange) crafty moves, techniques, and even smarts.
Age ain’t nothing but a number if you’re Biedrins and Wright and are:
- always injured
- haven’t shown any improvement and indications (moreso for Biedrins)
- ranking lower and lower at their relative positions across the league with new players coming in and others working hard on their games to improve- what’s the point in holding onto a young center who routinely gets outplayed just because he’s young?
All these discussions seem vaguely familiar to those “NO DON’T TRADE BIEDRINS + WRIGHT FOR AMARE!” discussions last year.
Amare = Western Conference Finals
Biedrins + Wright = Watching him, J-Rich, and the rest of the Suns on TNT with the rest of us
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by Atma Brother ONE on May 25, 2010 12:39 PM PDT up reply actions
Because Amare is about as good as Antwan Jamison. Get off it dude, he’s old plays NO defense and is too expensive.
by MO-ped MO-problems on May 25, 2010 12:47 PM PDT up reply actions
you do realize that Biedrins is owed $27 million over 3 years with an early termination on a $9 million fourth year right?
Could some of you maybe use a condom once in a while?
by wallywagon11 on May 25, 2010 12:51 PM PDT up reply actions
You do realize that’s not an expensive contract at all for a productive big man, right?
by Missing Barry on May 25, 2010 12:56 PM PDT up reply actions
so is Biedrins productive but Jamison not?
Could some of you maybe use a condom once in a while?
by wallywagon11 on May 25, 2010 12:57 PM PDT up reply actions
I should probably mention at this point that i can understand not wanting to make this trade. I don't think it would be a lopsided one in favor of the Cavs but I could understand people here saying no
I am just surprised about the notion that Jamison sucks and has a horrid contract but Biedrins is good with a reasonable one
Could some of you maybe use a condom once in a while?
by wallywagon11 on May 25, 2010 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Why? Biedrins rebounds. Jamison does not. Biedrins scores efficiently. Jamison does not. Biedrins isn’t the greatest defender, but he still contributes something defensively. Jamison does not. Biedrins can pass. Jamison cannot. Name a single productive thing Jamison brings to the table….?
by Missing Barry on May 25, 2010 1:01 PM PDT up reply actions
Actually, looking at Jamsion a bit more closely, I’m being more harsh on his rebounding than I should. I was using his career number, but it seems that’s too low because of his early career PT at the 3. He’s an ok rebounder, but the point doesn’t change because Biedrins is an extremely good rebounder.
by Missing Barry on May 25, 2010 1:02 PM PDT up reply actions
they both seem pretty darn similar in terms of value
similar win shares, Jamison can score more but less efficient, similar win shares per minute.
I just don’t see how you can argue one sucks and the other is good
Could some of you maybe use a condom once in a while?
by wallywagon11 on May 25, 2010 1:26 PM PDT up reply actions
I don’t want the scoring more, though, when it comes at below average efficiency. If it was coming off above average efficiency, I’d agree. It’s an easy argument – one plays better defense, is a much, much better rebounder, is a better passer, and his scoring is more useful. The other doesn’t have any redeeming qualities not covered by these categories.
by Missing Barry on May 25, 2010 1:33 PM PDT up reply actions
by the way, what is an efficient TS% for a big man?
Could some of you maybe use a condom once in a while?
by wallywagon11 on May 25, 2010 1:30 PM PDT up reply actions
Correct. Antawn Jamison is not a very good basketball player. Biedrins is a decent basketball player.
by Missing Barry on May 25, 2010 1:00 PM PDT up reply actions
Moreover…
Biedrins for his age 24, 25, 26 and 27 seasons = $36M total
Jamison for his age 34 and 35 seasons = $28.4M total
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on May 25, 2010 1:07 PM PDT up reply actions
Just something to help everyone understand how expensive C’s are:
Gasol – due almost $18M next season.
Bynum – due almost $14M next season
Dampier – due $13M next season
Brendan Haywood – making $6M this year, FA this offseason
Rasheed Wallace – making over $6M next year
Eddy Curry – Making over $11M next year
Shaq – $20M this year, FA this offseason
Varejao – $7M next season
Big Z – making over $11M this year, FA this offseason
Rashard Lewis – making over $20M next year
Dwight – ~$16.5M next year
Gortat – over $6M next year
Brandon Bass – $4M next year
Duncan – almost $19M next year
Kenyon Martin – $16.5M next year
Nene – over $11M next year
Ben Wallace – $10M this year, FA this offseason
Amare – $17.7M option next season
Kirilenko – almost $18M next year
Boozer – ~$12.6M this season, FA this offseason
Millsap – $10.3M this year, over $6M next year ??? is that possible?
Okur – $9.5M next year
Jermaine O’Neal – almost $23M this year, FA this offseason
Haslem – over $7M this year, FA this offseason
Okafor – ~$11.5M next year
David West – over $8M next year
Brad Miller – over $12M this year, FA this offseason
Tim Thomas – ~$6.5M this year, FA this offseason
Yao – over $17.5M next year
Jared Jeffries – almost $7M next year
Wow this is a long list. I’ve gone through half the teams. I don’t feel like continuing it for now, maybe I’ll add to it later. The point is, big men are really expensive once they get past their cost controlled rookie contracts. The best ones might be the best value since the CBA seems to contrain their salary, but in terms of productive big men….Biedrins isn’t some terrible deal. Getting it locked in place with no yearly salary increases makes it look better farther out into the future. I don’t know why people think this is some egregious contract.
by Missing Barry on May 25, 2010 1:31 PM PDT up reply actions 4 recs
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Good perspective. It’s easy to point out the warts on anyone and call them overpaid. The fact is that it’s not easy to find a guy who is seven feet tall and can actually play basketball. When you do find one they are going to want a lot of money for their services.
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Perkins $4.6M
Mohammad $6.8M
Hayes 2.3M
Murphy 11.8M
Maxiel $5M
Blatche $3M
Bonner $3.25M this year (Free agent)
Frye $2.2M player option
Pachulia $4.25M
Dalembert $12.9M
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by wallywagon11 on May 25, 2010 1:48 PM PDT up reply actions
I wish we had more past data on the salaries, because I can’t always tell how the contract came to be. I generally excluded guys that looked to be on rookie contracts, because there’s no point in looking at them. I wonder when Perkins signed his contract, I imagine if he hit the FA market right now he’d get good money. We basically had to pay Biedrins the market rate for an extension, so those are the best comparisons to see how his contract stacks up.
by Missing Barry on May 25, 2010 1:56 PM PDT up reply actions
Some. He’s clearly a below average post defender, but I think it looks worse than it is and he also looks worse because our guards don’t stop dribble penetration at all. However, he’s better than most C’s away from the hoop because of his quickness, he’s not great but he’s above average off the ball – he protects the rim some, he’s active, he takes some charges…..overall, maybe pretty average-ish, when you don’t include his excellent rebounding into “defense”.
by Missing Barry on May 25, 2010 1:35 PM PDT up reply actions
This tells me we need a positional big man defender.
I think we should note Ronny is probably our best post defender. But we all know we can’t play Ronny and AB extended minutes out there. I cringe at the thought of AB as our best option out there in the post in a playoff series.
"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."
I cringe at the thought of AB as our best option out there in the post in a playoff series.
Ha, I’d be happy just getting to a playoff series first.
by Missing Barry on May 25, 2010 2:39 PM PDT up reply actions
Except that Amare is good, and Jamison sucks? Getting Jamison for free wouldn’t help our team. Like I said, he’s just not a very good player, and it has nothing to do with what he did against the Celtics. It’s all about what he does night in, night out. At this point in his career, it’s “not play very good basketball”.
Taking on their contracts (mostly Biedrins) is a HUGE financial risk. That cannot be understated.
Their contracts are pretty minimal, even Biedrins is affordable by big men standards. His contract isn’t nearly as bad as you seem to be suggesting.
I’m honestly not too worried about his age as well because of his style of play.
You might have good reason to think he’ll age better than most, I dunno, but I don’t see how you can not be concerned about his age. He’s about to turn 34. At that age skills are declining, athleticism is declining…..players are worse at 34 than at 33. I doubt he manages to stay in the league much longer. That’s just what happens to old NBA players. Athleticism affects two important things that really do matter – rebounding and defense, so keep that in mind, too.
Age ain’t nothing but a number if you’re Biedrins and Wright and are:
In Biedrins case, he’s not always injured. He likely won’t improve substantially anymore, but he’s at the point where he can maintain what he is over a number of years. Wright should be improving, and already produces when he plays. As for ranking lower and lower….the only way that holds true is if the league is getting better. Do you have evidence for that? Yes, new players come in, but there are also players getting older and worse and retiring. Is there a reason to think the talent level has changed?
Biedrins and Wright are both much better players than Jamison right now. They’re younger. They’re guys who can be part of the future. They might get better (Wright should, I wouldn’t count on it from Biedrins). Mostly though, Jamison just isn’t very good. We do not want him.
by Missing Barry on May 25, 2010 12:56 PM PDT up reply actions
Well, the critical difference there is that a 34 year-old Jamison isn’t remotely in the same class of player as a 26 year-old Amar’e.
Also, unless you’ve heard otherwise, I’m pretty sure Curry was a critical part of that Amar’e deal. Like a lot of Ws fans, I still wouldn’t make that trade if Curry were involved. As sad as this team is, imagine how incredibly depressing it would be with Monta Ellis as its “point guard of the future.”
The bummer is that Curry and Biedrins (and maybe Aminu, in the role of Matrix) would be perfect complements to Amare’s dominant-but-flawed game. Get Phoenix to agree to a sign/trade of, say, Monta, Maggs, and Wright for Stoudemire and I’ll hop on the Amar’e bandwagon with you…
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on May 25, 2010 12:56 PM PDT up reply actions
not a fan of using pro-rated 36 when comparing starters
I can understand using it when arguing some young stud deserves more minutes because when they have been playing their production has been ridiculous but that’s about it.
Could some of you maybe use a condom once in a while?
by wallywagon11 on May 25, 2010 12:41 PM PDT up reply actions
There are 48 minutes in a game. That is a set amount. One starter playing 5 extra minutes doesn’t make the game 5 minutes longer, it’s still 48 minutes long. Every minute you don’t play is a minute someone else does. You have to look at rate stats to see how a player produces for the minutes he plays. If you’re better than your replacement at the margin, playing more minutes is more productive. You still should be using rate stats, though. Just include MPG if there’s a worthwhile difference.
by Missing Barry on May 25, 2010 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions
I suppose it should be noted different perspectives
To a team in a win now mode. Antawn is infinitely more valuable. To a team always looking 3 years in the future, he is worthless.
On a strictly production basis. I will agree with Atma. It’s a lot easier to find someone to do what Biedrins does than it is to find what Jamison does. I know Andris is very efficient. But there are a plethora of big man, if you asked to just rebound and put back dunks, would see an increase in rebounding.
There’s no evidence whatsoever to support your argument. Guys don’t just go out and start rebounding – it’s one of the most constant year to year stats there is. It’s much harder to find an excellent rebounder than a guy who does…..what is it that Antawn does, exactly? Thrown in excellent efficiency for Biedrins, and yeah, you’re really discounting his value. If it was so easy for big men to do, you’d think someone out there would have a higher career FG% than Andris. That player doesn’t exist, in the entire history of the NBA. Not one qualified player in NBA history has shot over 60% for their career. Up to this point, Andris has.
by Missing Barry on May 25, 2010 1:38 PM PDT up reply actions
it’s one of the most constant year to year stats there is.
1. Rebounding as a “stat” doesn’t win basketball games. Rebounding as a performance factor or performance variable does directly relate to winning games. Semantics? Yes, but using language as it relates directly to the game is usually better.
2. Using the word “stats” incites a strong viceral reaction in the hearts and minds of people who hate stats and “stat-geeks.”
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by Dubs fan in Boston on May 26, 2010 10:02 AM PDT up reply actions
I went to fear The Sword and they are not too happy with Antawn
Appears to me they would prefer Magette and quite frankly he would bring more to that team then Twan did.
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by StinkyFingers on May 25, 2010 5:16 PM PDT up reply actions
I'd do that in a second...
But we’ll have to add more salary and we don’t have anybody signed for filler. We’d have to S&T CJ or something… is that even legal? Would Cavs management go for that?
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by Dubs fan in Boston on May 26, 2010 10:35 AM PDT up reply actions
Monta, Biedrins, Wright + 2 Future First Rounders
For LeBron James. Salaries should match if its a max contract. Draft BPA or trade down to get Whiteside.
Sign Center free agent:
David Lee (Likely expensive)
Brendan Haywood
Charlie Frye
Jermaine O’Neal
Sign a Swing:
Ronnie Brewer
Travis Outlaw
Mike Miller
Matt Barnes
Josh Howard
"I tell him straight, 'If you're going to lead, you have to be the first to practice. You have to come in, get your work down and be prepared for practice,' " assistant coach Keith Smart said. "He needs to figure out why he is having stomach problems and he's got to watch how LeBron (James), Kobe (Bryant) and D-Wade (Dwyane Wade) work. He needs to mimic that if he wants his teammates to speak volumes about him." -Keith Smart on Motna Ellis
yup totally do-able
Could some of you maybe use a condom once in a while?
by wallywagon11 on May 25, 2010 9:27 AM PDT up reply actions
Not a traditional Center
A Nellie Center. Spreads the floor, rebounds, good open court ability.
"I tell him straight, 'If you're going to lead, you have to be the first to practice. You have to come in, get your work down and be prepared for practice,' " assistant coach Keith Smart said. "He needs to figure out why he is having stomach problems and he's got to watch how LeBron (James), Kobe (Bryant) and D-Wade (Dwyane Wade) work. He needs to mimic that if he wants his teammates to speak volumes about him." -Keith Smart on Motna Ellis
Why not? He’s already in the area playing QB for the raiders.
http://www.nfl.com/players/charliefrye/profile?id=FRY448685
Golden State of Mind: Unstoppable Baby!
by Fantasy Junkie on May 25, 2010 5:03 PM PDT up reply actions
Antwan Jamison?
No, no, no……………………………………………………..!
Did you not see what happened to him in the Celtic series?
Did you see what happened to the Warriors in their playoff series?
Silly argument.
15 going on 16. No, it's not a show on TLC. I'm talking about the Lakers!
by LakerFan24 on May 25, 2010 11:43 AM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Q: What has Andrew Bynum not broken during his 5- year career?
A: Any scoring records.
Dump Maggette get a pick go shopping in 2011= NBA Champions 2013
I don’t think it’s a silly argument. I mean, yeah, it’s a small sample size; but when you completely fail to show up in your team’s elimination game, when all you’re expected to be is a half-decent second or third banana, there’s reason to doubt your “NBA star” mettle, imo. What’s your argument when you point out that the Warriors missed the playoffs — that since the Warriors suck they should be more than happy to jettison their young talent for overpaid 34 year-old mediocrities?
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on May 25, 2010 12:29 PM PDT up reply actions
lol
this made me laugh
Could some of you maybe use a condom once in a while?
by wallywagon11 on May 25, 2010 12:42 PM PDT up reply actions
Why are we discussing Jamison?
There hasn’t been a whisper of interest in Jamison over the years, months…
I think we value the expiring contract of Delonte West much more than Ol’ Krazy Hooks.
I’d expect a trade between the Dubs and Cavs to be centered around Maggette for West and Moon, or whatever expiring works. If we could get that I’d call it a good start to the offseason.
"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."
As long as we can keep Delonte far away from Steph’s hot mom…
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on May 25, 2010 2:43 PM PDT up reply actions
I'd cut him so he could go back to being LeBron's daddy.
"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."
So wait… you guys don’t think that Antwan Jamison is the answer at center?
Sadly, Nellie really would play Antwan there. Can you guys imagine the starting lineup of Kid Curry, Monta, ???, Corey Maggette, and Jamison? We Believe, baby.
Did Morrow get ejected???
I believe...
that if I saw that lineup run out for the first game of the year, I would commit suicide.
Wow those are some mindless trades that will never happen
Set a record by getting banned for the 8th time!
After rehab I saw the light and promise to be kinder and gentler!
Probation is a very slippery slope!
by StinkyFingers on May 25, 2010 5:06 PM PDT up reply actions
So
These 2 ‘almost’ trades that happened last year. It had to of been one for Stephen Jackson, and then after he was moved the next logical answer would have to be Corey Maggette I’d think.
Someone to play alongside Lebron, which was filled by Jamison. I don’t see them moving Jamison specially if Lebron moves, and besides Jamison wasn’t on the Cavs long enough to have ‘almost’ trades happen with the Dubs.
The only two rumors were: 1-JAX to the Cavs, and 2-Maggette to the Cavs
Don’t get sidetracked by this Biedrins/Jamison stuff.
1- We turned down Jax+1st for expirings and settled for the Bobcats deal.
2- Maggette/filler for BigZ was on the table but they chose Jamison.
If they still want Maggette, they have some expiring contracts… Moon, DWest(only $500K guaranteed if waived), Anthony Parker, Leon Powe.
Either one of those trades would have been better for the Cavs
Jackson would have given them a swagger and a defender who can ditribute and score and l Maggette is a unique offensive talent not appreciated by many at GSOM but would have been a great help to LeBron.
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