Golden State Warriors Big Men Forever Doomed?
(Will this be the fate of the Warriors' #6 pick this year?)
Is it sad to say that the greatest "big man" in Warriors history might be Tyrone Hill?
Tyrone Hill, the final lottery pick of the 1990 draft, only played three seasons with the Warriors and went on to have a productive career epitomized by his one all-star appearance in 1995.
Aside from Tyrone Hill, the Warriors have been relatively bad at picking and developing big men. Victor Alexander, Carlos Rogers, Erick Dampier, Todd Fuller, Ike Diogu, Patrick O'Bryant, Andris Biedrins, Brandan Wright, and Anthony Randolph...there are probably plenty more that I've left out.
The development and production of the latter three -- Biedrins, Wright, and Randolph -- have had an polarizing effect on Warriors fans, who either think that they should be ready made by now or are All-Stars-to-be if they could just get more playing time or stay healthy. Given the volatile landscape that is the Warriors front office and coaching staff -- what I would call the basketball equivalent of the movie "2012" -- what is the fate of the Warriors #6 pick if they were to grab a big man? What do we make about the kryptonite-ish effect the Warriors have on big men?
Here at Golden State of Mind, we debated about the return and future of Brandan Wright, a former lottery pick who the Warriors have continued to financially invest in despite all his injuries, bringing up the idea that Don Nelson is just not able to develop big men. It is difficult to blame Nelson for Wright's injuries, but is there some truth to the idea that the coaches and the Warriors team in general lacks the proper "culture" to develop big men?There's a stereotype about big men as having personality issues such as laziness, arrogance, and not even enjoying the game of basketball. That is, they just sort of fell into the game and career of basketball. By their body language on and off the court and their work-ethic, you would think they were being socially oppressed by their size, forced into the stardom like teen-stars. Their failures as comparably tragic.
Several of the college players who are entering this years NBA draft have been marked by these labels. Worse yet, they've also been described as projects.
Players like Los Angeles Lakers Andrew Bynum and New York Knicks Eddy Curry, however, seem to be possible examples of how the "culture" of teams can largely shape the long-term careers of talented yet troubled big men. Bynum, who many have already dubbed the next "Joe Barely Cares" for his seemingly nonchalant attitude to the game, has thrived when healthy with the Lakers. When healthy and willing, Bynum dominates with an array of jump hooks and fade away jump shots so smooth you would think you were watching big men of the 70s and 80s, who used finesse more than power. His recent attempt to get some minutes in during the finals series in spite of the swelling in his knee has shown that he has more heart than advertised by critics.
But to what extent do we take into account the structure that Bynum has been groomed in? With Kareem Abdul Jabbar as his personal big man coach, Phil Jackson at the helm, and Kobe Bryant to throw towels at him if and when he messes up, that's pretty good company (and a whole lot of wins) to help discipline and convince you to be a winner. There's no statistical evidence that I could crunch that could show how having hall-of-famers grooming you will necessarily translate into wins and better skills. But it is hard to deny that having someone like Kobe getting into your a$ about miscues and Jackson's holistic, if not spiritual, approach to the game can make a player want to eat, sleep, and breathe basketball greatness.
Eddy Curry seems to have lacked all of this. Akin to giving a teenager the keys to the Bentley at too young of an age, Eddy Curry and fellow teenager Tyson Chandler were propped up by the Chicago Bull franchise as the faces of the future, probably more as a temporary publicity stunt than anything else. The Bulls, much like the Warriors of the last decade-plus, had a revolving door of coaches and a roster full of young underachieving players. Once called "Baby Shaq," Curry has had some productive seasons. But he has also battled through a lot during his short career, including weight issues, financial problems, and tragedies with his family. Granted not all of this is his fault, but Curry has been a player that has seemed to disavow discipline and defense. You could argue that it wasn't until New York Knicks coach Mike D'Antoni came along where Curry beagn to take his conditioning seriously, which sadly has ended in failure so far as his body the last few seasons couldn't keep up with his comeback work-out regiment. Curry hasn't had the privilege of having a stable system around him like Bynum and you wonder what Curry's present and future might look like if he did. Would Curry have lived up to his nick name "Baby Shaq" for the right reasons (not the fluctuating weight problems)?
As the Warriors look towards some big men to possibly snag at the number 6 pick, you wonder if they necessarily have the infrastructure to develop their big men to be well-rounded players. Is Don Nelson really able to develop big men? Do they really figure largely into Nelson's offensive schemes? Do the Warriors really have a winner, like Kobe, to put a lazy player in check? If Bynum has Kareem, who do the Warriors have? Is it time to bring someone in to help Biedrins on his touch? Or to help Anthony Randolph, Mr. Two-Left-Feet, to work on his balance and footwork? Don Nelson proposing to Biedrins that Rick Barry should teach him how to shoot free-throws is not enough, in my opinion.
Given the situation with the Warriors -- new ownership, Nelson's coaching career possibly coming to an end in the near future -- perhaps the Warriors should steer clear of snagging a project.
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Is Don Nelson really able to develop big men? Do they really figure largely into Nelson's offensive schemes? Do the Warriors really have a winner, like Kobe, to put a lazy player in check?
We got Nate who’s one of the best, we just need to get rid of Nellie and get a coach who understands the advantage of big men.
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by Skeptic con Urquell on Jun 12, 2010 10:16 AM PDT reply actions
lolwut?
Is it sad to say that the greatest “big man” in Warriors history might be Tyrone Hill?
Wilt Chamberlain wants a word with you.
'Like' my band. I mean, it'd be awesome if you did that.
Wilt Chamberlain wants a word with you.
I think he was limiting it to big men we drafted?
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by Skeptic con Urquell on Jun 12, 2010 10:20 AM PDT up reply actions
Oh?
That’s not what he said. What would make you think that?
'Like' my band. I mean, it'd be awesome if you did that.
also maybe he was talking about since we've been in CA. I don't think Wilt played for the warriors on the west coast, although i could be wrong.
by freerandolph on Jun 12, 2010 10:45 AM PDT up reply actions
That said...
Now that I think about it thats still not true… Nate T and C Webb and maybe Biedrins have been better.
by freerandolph on Jun 12, 2010 10:47 AM PDT up reply actions
I wouldn't throw Webber in there
It was one season and a poisenous locker room and a lot of traded draft picks.
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by wallywagon11 on Jun 12, 2010 10:48 AM PDT up reply actions
I would agree though
Biedrins has done more. Although I must admit I have a soft spot for Hill.
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by wallywagon11 on Jun 12, 2010 10:51 AM PDT up reply actions
I actually think Donyell Marsahll (don't recall if he was playing SF or PF) was better too
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by wallywagon11 on Jun 12, 2010 10:52 AM PDT up reply actions
WIlt played in SF for 2 and a half years
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by wallywagon11 on Jun 12, 2010 10:50 AM PDT up reply actions
What would make you think that?
This part"Aside from Tyrone Hill, the Warriors have been relatively bad at picking and developing big men." made me think he was only considering guys that had been drafted here recently. Great Warriors bigs would include Nate and Wilt plus Cliff Ray has a ring :>)
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by Skeptic con Urquell on Jun 12, 2010 10:47 AM PDT up reply actions
Skeptic, Oh Skeptic !!!
So who did draft Wilt Chamberlain? When I saw him his rookie year playing against the St. Louis Hawks and Bob Pettit, Wilt was in a Warriors jersey. Philadelphia Warriors, granted, but there ya go. All you really know about Fuzzy’s logic and command of the facts is that he got this one wrong. Kinda rare but it happens.
"he got this one wrong"
Sorry everyone, I should have been more clear from jump about what I meant by “best big man.”
I didn’t necessarily mean to say that Tyrone Hill was the best ‘big man’ that the Warriors have ever drafted (even though that’s what I wrote) but meant to use it rhetorically that the Warriors are just not very good at developing big men. But by ‘big men’ I definitely meant this in the sense of the traditional ‘back to the basket,’ guards the center our power forward, is physically dominant in the paint with the rebounds, etc.
Chamberlain, Thurmond, Larry Smith, etc. were all great, but since then, the Warriors have not been that lucky. I purposely omitted Joe Smith because I personally thought he was pretty lousy as is Donyell Marshall, who seemed to prefer to linger around the 3 point line than the post (until he got to Utah). Him and Jamison played a lot of perimeter game too with and after their time with the Warriors (meant to be small-forwards) which to me didn’t put them in the same category as say the Chamberlains, et al.
Biedrins, Wright, and Randolph are hardly “big men” that we need, in a traditional sense, YET. But the point of the post was less about whether x, y, and z player was drafted by the Warriors as opposed to whether the Warriors will ever really have a dominant big that we sorely need. But you are all correct that I should have fact-checked.
by dj fuzzylogic on Jun 14, 2010 5:39 PM PDT up reply actions
When I saw him his rookie year playing against the St. Louis Hawks and Bob Pettit, Wilt was in a Warriors jersey.
I think he was limiting it to warriors drafted here in GS , Philly is a different story.
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by Skeptic con Urquell on Jun 14, 2010 9:25 PM PDT up reply actions
If you go back further
The Warriors did have an excellent track reocrd of deveoloping big men, with Nate Thurmond and Larry " Mr. Mean" Smith amongst others, so if you beleive in curses or trends this will be broken once the team is sold. But to say we never had any good bigs is just false.
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CWeb???
His one year was easily the best for a Warrior big man in the last 20 years. Even if it only was one year.
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by Atma Brother ONE on Jun 12, 2010 10:49 AM PDT reply actions
Gatling!
I loved Gatling! I can’t believe I forgot about him. Atma, you just blew my frickin mind.
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by wallywagon11 on Jun 12, 2010 10:53 AM PDT up reply actions
Dj Fuzzylogic
Good read. I always wonder about big men too. Seems like a lot of them really need a mentor and a structured program around them in order to avoid become a rutterless boat. Professional team sports are so competitive now and you really need to be focused in your training and conditioning.
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AR and Beans were not bad draft picks at all
And we didn’t pick BW
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I think its pretty safe to assume that the BCs drafted him because they could make that trade with us
You are technically right, but if they had traded us the pick an hour earlier and then we had picked him, it would have been the exact same thing.
by freerandolph on Jun 12, 2010 11:56 AM PDT up reply actions
Robert Parrish
Of course, it wasn’t till we traded him to the Celtics. I think we could’ve drafted McHale as well, but that pick went with Parish for…was that the great Jo Berry Carroll?
Why do people forget....
Don Nelson drafted Dirk N. uhh last time I checked he’s one of the great big men…. Just saying
yeah
this was a fairly glaring omission
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by wallywagon11 on Jun 12, 2010 3:36 PM PDT up reply actions
Toss out a name
I’ll just throw out this name and let you all have fun with it. CHRIS WASHBURN!!!
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My infatuation with the warriors began with the ‘98 lockout season. I was a sophomore in HS desperate to avoid HW, and I dabbled in Sharks games and Warriors games, but was won over by Jim Barnett’s unique brand of stammering, hokey eloquence.
That year’s GS bigs were Jason Caffey, Terry Cummings, Donyell Marshall, Adonal Foyle, a fatter version of Erick Dampier, and a young and spry (and crazily unorthodox) Antawn Jamison. In the years to come I bought into the Damp/Foyle combo center concept, and the idea of Jamison as a starting PF, and Danny Fortson and Marc Jackson as potentially successful 4s with sub-10" vertical leaps, and Troy Murphy as a plodding, floor spreading big, and on and on and on…
It is now well over a decade later and I’m still waiting for a legitimate 4 or 5. It’s gotten so bad I’ve started to miss the good ’ol days when Caffey and Cummings ruled the day, and garnered such low expectations as to lull one into complacency. Or remember when Foyle was a blocking machine and Antawn and Fortson easily averaged over 10 rebounds a game despite major (and majorly different) shortcomings?
I think it’s time for a nap.
To sleep, and per chance to dream…of Demarcus Cousins in one of those new-fangled old-style Warriors jerseys…
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by The Bimbo Coles Experience on Jun 12, 2010 4:26 PM PDT reply actions
MANUTE BOL!!!!!
The tallest player on the court—only shooting threes…..I wonder why that Nellie concept never took hold. Because it didn’t work…
But no Dubs big man conversation is complete without mentioning MANUTE BOL! I’m just glad that the Warrior never picked up Shawn Bradley too.

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