RUMOR: Anthony Randolph to Wolves not happening- Talks between Golden State Warriors and Minnesota Timberwolves "dead"
by Atma Brother ONE on Jun 21, 2010 7:55 AM PDT
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Which forward would you rather have... going forward?
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GSoM friend Tim Kawakami breaks it down in Warriors and Minnesota cool off Randolph trade talks.
I found this part this the most interesting:
But one source said that Warriors GM Larry Riley is telling the truth about being inundated with is-Randolph-available? calls from other teams once word broke about the talks with Minnesota.
I really wonder how many of these other NBA front offices have actually seen Randolph play. I seriously wonder if they're basing their thoughts on his game solely on the absurd media over-hype of his game. I really hope Randolph gets there (meaning a starting caliber NBA player), but right now he has a long, long, long way to go before he reaches that level. His hoops IQ, build, and fundamentals are lacking like former Warrior "fan favorite" Mike Dunleavy in the playoffs.
But back to the Randolph vs Love topic. Count me in the camp that would more than happy to swap Randolph for Love. Just imagine what the Dubs could do with Love's exceptional rebounding and hoops IQ. Hoops junkies already salivate over this guy's outlet passes, but if he was playing Nellieball? Can you imagine Love grabbing the rebound and QBing a pass down court to a fast-breaking Monta Ellis or Stephen Curry? I'll take that over a wild rebound followed by a sioppy attempt to push the ball up court and then a haphazard wild jumper. (Again MONTA ELLIS of all people was screaming at this guy for making mistakes on the court last season- take that however you want.) There's even the possibility of a nice screen and jumper 4-1 play between Love and Curry like Chris Webber and Mike Bibby during the Sacramento Kings' (unfortunately) short-lived golden age. I'll take that over some ridiculous forced shot attempt any day.
Would you be up for sending the T-Wolves Randolph for Love? Think Randolph will ever be a solid starter in this league?
Don't forget to check out the view on Randolph to the Wolves from the Minny faithful over at Canis Hoopus
Also see:
- RUMOR: Golden State Warriors and Minnesota Timberwolves talking Anthony Randolph and #4 pick in 2010 NBA Draft
- RUMOR: Anthony Randolph like every Golden State Warrior on the trading block
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Atma is the grass really greener?
If Love is such a stud then why don’t they play him more minutes. Is it that they are stupid? Or is it that you are overating Love like you accuse the Warriros of doing with AR.
Funny how GM’s around the league are all over AR but not so much Love.
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If Randolph is such a stud
why didn’t he play more minutes when he was healthy? Love got more MPG than Randolph did. This must mean that Love is 6 minutes per game better than Randolph.
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by Reverend_Randy on Jun 21, 2010 4:33 PM PDT up reply actions
and on a team as talented as Minnesota thats saying something!
Realistically Love has talent, I just want my center taller than 6’7".
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by StinkyFingers on Jun 21, 2010 5:20 PM PDT up reply actions
Realistically,
Love is a power forward. And he measures 6’7.75" with no shoes, 6’9.5" with shoes. Last time I checked you play basketball with shoes on. Also, his height isn’t getting in the way of him putting up ridiculous rebounding numbers.
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Randolph looks 7’2" aganst Love. Hey this is coming from a huge UCLA fan and I loved Love there, but I just don’t seehim as my starting PF or C being Love in the NBA. If were gonna make a trade and move AR then we better hit a home run, not a bloop double.
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by StinkyFingers on Jun 21, 2010 5:36 PM PDT up reply actions
Come to think of it
What the hell is a “bloop double?”
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What the hell is a "bloop double?"
the third best thing that can happen when you bat. better than a single, walk, strikeout, stupid runner called out trying to steal with 2 outs, umpire ejection, or beanball?
Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Jun 21, 2010 8:55 PM PDT up reply actions
To tell you the truth, I could care less about how tall they are. All I know is that Kevin Love has been extemely productive in his time in the NBA, and, despite missing some games to start last year, has been much healthier. I don’t think referring to him as a “bloop double” is a fair assessment at all.
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YIPEE!
That’s a nice relief. I’m glad they are smart enough to realize that AR is only 20 and has plenty of time to become a beast.
Are we forgetting
that Mr. Love had 34 points dropped on him by a D-leaguer on his home court? It was none other than our own Anthony Tolliver, of course.
I have absolutely no love for Mr. Love. Not a winning NBA player, imo.
by Feltbot on Jun 20, 2010 11:21 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Ignoring the fact that one-game samples are hardly indicative of how good a player is, the one-game sample you chose to use doesn’t even point to Love being a loser as you imply. Love had a 17 point, 18 rebound, 3 assist statline in just under 36 minutes that game, effectively pulling down half of his team’s total rebounds. Quite frankly, he did all he can to try and help the Wolves win, and it just so happened that Tolliver got hot that night and the Wolves lost as a result.
Chose Love for his rebounding, low post ability and maturity. Love to see Randolph acquire a hook shot to go with that developing15 foot jumper. However, I’d like to see AR drive to the bucket as much as possible cuz he has a respectable FT%. He’s got a little too much confidence in his mid-range jumper and ball handling IMO.
by ChronicMasticator on Jun 20, 2010 11:25 PM PDT reply actions
Seems to me with a little more work/development, if Randolph realizes he’s at his best going to the hoop, he could easily be a Josh Smith-like player. Curious if anyone has any info about how well Randolph finishes inside compared to Smith?
by Missing Barry on Jun 21, 2010 2:32 PM PDT up reply actions
It's too soon to tell
I like Love, but think his ceiling is lower than AR. However, AR needs to get a coach, a system and a mentality that he can be more than a wing player if he wants to be as good as he can be. Not sure that will happen, hope it does.
Love is good right now and will likely stay good for some time, AR is okay right now, will certainly be good but can maybe be great.
disagree a bit
there is NO “certainly” when referring to AR.
His upside is bigger than Love’s. So is his bust potential.
We’ll see where his head is at game 1.
So is his bust potential.
I don’t know what you’re talking about he’s already producing and is not out of the league after two years so you can’t characterize him as a bust. Even if he flames this year. Easily barring injury he’ll have at least a good as season as last year. This is not a bust, it’s just not that good.
I don’t think at the place he was picked he was considered to be a great star.
I agree with your disagreement
I though I was one of the bigger AR boosters here, but if you’re offered straight up for Kevin Love, it’s close, but I think you have to do it.
It is like giving up a dream with AR. AR has a higher ceiling than Love but I can see AR possibly only reaching 75% of his potential. Whereas I see Love already at at 80% with a good likelihood of hitting 90%.
Still I wouldn’t grieve about it, if it wasn’t done.
by War Years Legacy on Jun 21, 2010 9:14 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Do we even know Randolph-for-Love was on the table in these discussions?
All the rumors I heard involved either Randolph and the 4th pick, or Randolph and a swap of our picks. You have to imagine that the Wolves would also have loved for us take the horrible contract that is Al Jefferson off their hands. Anything involving Love seems to have been mostly a figment of the feverish imaginations of GSoM (yours truly included, naturally…)
I’d consider trading Randolph for Love, grudgingly, though the fact that in that photo our guy looks a foot taller than theirs gives me a bit of pause…
There will be no extra point!
For me, what it comes down to
is that I’m never going to shake my head ruefully and say “what if?” if we pass on a trade for Love and he goes on to become a star. If we trade AR, however, and he becomes a star, it’s going to haunt me for years, just like Parrish/McHale for Joe Barely Cares has, and always will. That’s more a comment on fan psychology—or my psychology—than on wise roster-building strategy, but it’s a thing I do keep in mind. If we trade Randolph, I’m going to spend the next three years, or ten years, praying he doesn’t develop. And frankly, I have better things to do with my prayers. I hope we just keep him and roll the dice, even if it comes up snake eyes.
by BlueInTheFace on Jun 21, 2010 9:43 AM PDT reply actions 9 recs
My sentiments exactly, Blue. Rec’d!
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on Jun 21, 2010 9:56 AM PDT up reply actions
Is there any evidence they were willing to do a straight swap, Love for Randolph
Seems to me, Minnesota thought they could get Randolph on the cheap. And that seems to be consensus around league. That whole Maggettte + Randolph for David West rumor. etc. etc. Warriors fans are massive OVERRATING his value around the league. Other GMs see what most of us see, some raw potential, but i don’t see anyone mortgaging there franchise for Randolph.
Please...
So you consistently talk with other GM’s around the league and have determined that Warrior fans massively overrate his ability huh?
Maybe you should leave the talent evaluation to people who actually get paid to do it buddy. Like general managers. You know, those guys who have been calling Riley in attempts to pry Randolph away from us.
by randolphforpresident on Jun 21, 2010 3:58 PM PDT up reply actions
Warrior fans massively overrate his ability huh?
Almost all fans have a tendency to go in bipolar directions with their evalution of their team’s players. They overrate their favorites and consider guys whose flaws bother them to be unworthy of a Jr High JV team.
Maybe you should leave the talent evaluation to people who actually get paid to do it buddy. Like general managers.
A large number of GMs got their jobs because of who they knew more than what they knew. Half of the GMs put together losing teams every year. Most of them make the same mistake of overpaying for guys on the basis of PPG. So long as it’s that GMs make the same mistakes over and over again, I don’t see any reason to “leave the talent evaluation” to people who have some shortcomings in that area, even if they’ve convinced someone to pay them for their services.
kind of like
Favors. So I guess he’s wirth a high lottery pick.
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by StinkyFingers on Jun 21, 2010 5:21 PM PDT up reply actions
Ha, over 100 votes more for Randolph. Apparently we have yet to realize how much better Kevin Love is…
[Info on Randolph] Would have been valuable at this time... But our management failed.
by LarryLegendofOracle on Jun 21, 2010 10:11 AM PDT reply actions
Sure, he was better yesterday.
Apparently Some are obsessed with the rear-view mirror, while the voters and GM’s around the league are looking threw the windshield down the road.
Love is pretty much just stright up better than AR. Better rebounder, defender, passer, etc. I think AR’s athleticism gives him a chance to be a better player, but for now could you honestly say he is better?
[Info on Randolph] Would have been valuable at this time... But our management failed.
by LarryLegendofOracle on Jun 21, 2010 11:36 AM PDT up reply actions
Defender?
Do you really think Anthony Tolliver could drop 36 on Randolph’s head in his home gym?
Kevin Love can’t guard his grandmother, he can’t defend the rim, and he can’t beat his man down court. If those are the qualities you want in your 4 then you are destined for the cellar every season. Just like the Timberwolves.
Kevin Love can’t guard his grandmother, he can’t defend the rim, and he can’t beat his man down court.
Kevin Love is actually an above average defender and Randolph is an embarassment past his erratic shotblocking.
If those are the qualities you want in your 4 then you are destined for the cellar every season.
Yeah, we don’t need bigs that can do that. We need skinnier ones that are athletic, can play no D whatsoever, and can’t stay on the court for 30 minutes a night because he hacks his defenders too much. But how would I know? I root for the Warriors.
[Info on Randolph] Would have been valuable at this time... But our management failed.
by LarryLegendofOracle on Jun 21, 2010 12:51 PM PDT up reply actions
Going back to one game samples again. True, Love can’t defend the rim. That’s fine. He’s wide, he’s strong, and he can play some post D – isn’t that what a whole lot of people around these parts are desperate for? As for beating your own man down the court, who cares? You know there are other ways to play basketball than the Warriors current style of letting your man by you so you can try to beat them up the court on offense, right?
What, specifically, don’t you like about Love? He’s a smart player, he scores, he rebounds, he passes, he can play post D……he’s a much better player than Randolph right now. He’s also 21, so he should continue to improve quite a bit. Not sure what the negativity is about.
by Missing Barry on Jun 21, 2010 2:36 PM PDT up reply actions
you lost me at defender. Thats BS
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by StinkyFingers on Jun 21, 2010 5:22 PM PDT up reply actions
its a very sad day when a 15 win team
has a player you think is better than one of your own best players. Pretty sad.
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by StinkyFingers on Jun 21, 2010 6:02 PM PDT up reply actions
They would have won more than 15 games if Kevin Love had played more……
by Missing Barry on Jun 21, 2010 9:43 PM PDT up reply actions
Voted for Love...
as a current projections of where these 2 players are at this moment. Love looks like he has the chance to play a lot more than AR and is further along in his particular skill set that AR. Though AR has the higher ceiling as mentioned before.
Either way, this comparison should die at this point.
With either Cousins or Monroe coming in, I think we have a lot of great things to look forward to.
Regardless of Love v. Randolph
Can we stop talking yet about players’ merits as they fit into Nellieball? One thing I know about Love or Randolph is that either’s Warrior tenure will outlast the remainder of Don’s.
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I’d go for Love. Love is better than Randolph, very young himself, and I believe he has a fairly high ceiling. Not as high as Randolph’s, but he could still be a very good player. Udonis Haslem on D, an absolutely monstrous rebounder, a big man who can score well and pass well……yeah, I like those things. Ultimately, while Randolph does have the higher ceiling, I think Love has a high enough ceiling and such a better chance of realizing a lot of his potential that he’s a better bet than Randolph in the long run. I do like them both, though.
Yeah I’d do it but I’d honestly be happy with either.
by Missing Barry on Jun 21, 2010 5:49 PM PDT up reply actions
I have heard a lot of comments from respected basketball people
who rave about Randolph and his potential, I have never heard the same about Love, other than he is a nice player with good skills. I have no doubts that almost any GM would go after Randolph in a heart beat if he was available. I have no idea if he will reach the ceiling some people think he has, but I do know he is very tall, very long, and very athletic. His potential is unlimited. It is unfortunate he sustained a freak accident last season, but no matter how you slice it he is only 21 this year, no way would I trade him. In two years maybe, depending on how he progresses. I think with Curry running the point, Wright and Randolph will be nightmare matchups for other teams. Other teams cannot stop Curry from penetrating and they cannot guard against Randolph or Wright getting lob dunks. Defense? Well, that is another issue. Time will tell.
by Laoren on Jun 21, 2010 3:50 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Agree with your take, though I just want to point out that I don’t think you can call his injury a “freak” injury. Ankle injuries in basketball should never be labeled as freak injuries…..
by Missing Barry on Jun 21, 2010 5:50 PM PDT up reply actions
AR's our boy.
KLove’s rad and solid, no questions there. That ‘Love to Ellis football pass’ analogy is certainly titillating, but seriously, that would be a very rare occurrence. Love = solid consistent production. Randolph’s the highlight reel guy. The 1 4 Curry pick and roll has to develop this season regardless of who the PF is. A healthy AR will certainly become a solid NBA starter in 2 seasons max. I believe that. Will he ever reach the ceiling of his preached potential? Who knows… but I’m not sure I could take it if he does it on another team, and once again we’re the dumb GS Farm League that mass slaughters its golden geese. I really haven’t had so much blind, for-better-or-worse faith in a Warrior since JRich. I’m really looking forward to watching AR this season, so hopefully the rumor is true, we won’t be mortgaging the farm, and he’ll be in one of those fugly new Dubs jerseys for a healthy whole season…
…On a side note, the one thing that really scares me about Randolph is his inability to land solidly on both feet. It’s almost inevitable that if he plays over 30 he’s gonna hit the deck at least once, and come down awkwardly a couple of times. I just hope he’s not a lot more accident prone than we’re giving him credit for. All the potential in the world doesn’t matter if you only play 30 games a season. If we’re going to make pepsi-challenge comparisons to other PF’s, then this is the deciding factor regarding AR, imho.
Cut.
Love vs AR
I’ve beat up Love on this site many times before, but when it comes to this trade I’m for it.
Love I think would be a better fit in the direction the team is going.
It’s S. Curry’s team and the ball should be in his hands 85% of the time, that leaves little need for a point power forward. Unless A R is willing to change his game to a down in the blocks player predominately, I say make the trade.
I agree
…with Randolph quitting this PPF stuff. It’s awkward and ill-concieved. However it does motivate him to grab defensive boards. He seems to genuinely enjoy taking the ball up the court, but hopefully this can be dispelled without tilting the rebound stats.
Cut.
by Butterknuckles on Jun 22, 2010 2:38 PM PDT up reply actions
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