Trade Idea with the Spurs

Warriors trade: Corey Maggette and Vladimir Radmanovic + #6 Pick and Spurs trade: Richard Jefferson + #20 Pick
Reasons why Spurs do the trade:
Last season probably proved that Richard Jefferson isn't going to work in the Spurs system and Tim Duncan and Manu Ginobili ain't getting any younger. These next two years are probably their last chance at getting a 5th title. Swapping Maggette for Jefferson is addition by subtraction and they should have a fourth scoring option between Manu Tim and Tony. They can also draft Cousins or Monroe (who really fits their system) as a backup for when Tim Duncan retires.

Reasons why Warriors do the trade:
We get rid of Vlad and Maggette, both of which are not part of our future plans. And best of all, Richard Jefferson is a 15mil expiring contract, he'd play out this season and be gone! And by then, somebody (Larry Ellison, please answer our call!) will have bought the team and then we can sign CARMELO ANTHONY to a max contract.

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Without the 6 pick it would OK

but 6 for 20 please NO.

by buky on Jun 22, 2010 4:03 AM PDT reply actions

no............

by mekanikal on Jun 22, 2010 4:12 AM PDT reply actions

If we get Cousins with the #6, then no.

But if we get Monroe, I’d give them a call and see if they take it.

Jefferson isn’t just an expiring contract – he’s the kind of team player SF we need right now in the Warriors.

by Screwfish on Jun 22, 2010 4:57 AM PDT reply actions

team player

Except that Maggette’s actually a better / more willing passer than Jefferson — in addition to being a much better rebounder and much more efficient scorer.

Even if you don’t put much stock in numbers … did you not witness RJ’s near-total disappearing act in this year’s playoffs?

There will be no extra point!

by Sleepy Freud on Jun 22, 2010 9:04 AM PDT up reply actions

Hmmm….calling Maggette a better passer than Jefferson is really setting off a lot of red flags in my head right now. Maggette’s a pretty terrible passer, and it goes beyond assist numbers – he really does kill ball movement. Also, Jefferson has a big edge defensively….

by Missing Barry on Jun 22, 2010 9:50 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs

What???!!!

Corey only passes on fatty foods and seconds in the buffet line. Most games corey doesnt pass the ball more than 7 or 8 times total! Its actually humorus. I think he can help the right team get over the hump since he is dependable instant offense, but dont tell me that he is any kind of a passer.

by friscohoya on Jun 22, 2010 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions

Assists per 36 last season
Maggette 3.0
Jefferson 2.3

No one said he was any kind of a passer. I just don’t see how he’s any worse than Jefferson.

There will be no extra point!

by Sleepy Freud on Jun 22, 2010 1:51 PM PDT up reply actions

Kills ball movement. Also, take into account how often they’re using possessions – Maggette is using more possessions offensively, which you can see from their shots attempted and turnover numbers…..

by Missing Barry on Jun 22, 2010 2:00 PM PDT up reply actions

Terrible idea

Melo is a restricted free agent, Denver won’t give him up. Vlad Rad could just opt out and we wouldn’t have to pay him anything.

by StewieG on Jun 22, 2010 5:50 AM PDT reply actions

Melo isn't a restricted FA.

He’s unrestricted next year – he can sign an extension with Denver (which I suspect he might) but if he doesn’t, we have the Summer of Melo on our hands.

And yeah, Radmanovic can opt out, but what other team is gonna give him $7 million now?

by Screwfish on Jun 22, 2010 6:22 AM PDT up reply actions

If we don’t like the available options at #6, it seems like a fairly balanced trade. If someone like Cousins or Johnson is there, not sure I want to pass up a chance at acquiring more young talent.

by Missing Barry on Jun 22, 2010 7:51 AM PDT reply actions

How exactly is it “balanced”?

Maggette > Jefferson
6th pick >>>>>>>>>>>>> 20th pick

Yeah, we’re gaining a bit of financial flexibility, but getting doubly hosed in terms of talent and production.

There will be no extra point!

by Sleepy Freud on Jun 22, 2010 8:58 AM PDT up reply actions

Not sure I agree with either of those assessments. I think I’d rather have Jefferson than Maggette straight up, and when you consider the financial aspects of it, that makes Jefferson come out even better. Like I said, if we aren’t enamored with the choices at #6, I’m not sure it’s that much better than the 20th pick. I could see the a plausible scenario where the Jefferson > Maggette is cancelled out by the 6th > 20th picks and it’s pretty even…..

by Missing Barry on Jun 22, 2010 9:53 AM PDT up reply actions

Not sure I agree with either of those assessments.

Uh … you’re not sure you agree with the assessment that the 6th pick is vastly more valuable the the 20th? Lovely, MB. We’ve gone from contemplating dumping Anthony Randolph to move up two slots in the draft to moving down 14 slots for no particular reason. Unless one is a total fiscal nazi, I just don’t see how this so-called “upgrade” from Maggs to Jefferson is remotely worth the drop-off in value from #6 in #20. And … I’m still not seeing the upgrade. RJ has a better rep as a defender, but it’s not really borne out by his block, steal or plus/minus numbers. He’s a worse rebounder than Maggs, and much less efficient scorer — probably the two most important qualities in a forward, unless you’re an elite playmaker, which Jefferson clearly isn’t. He may not be a demonstrably “worse” passer than Maggs’ but last year he dropped dimes at 67% Maggs’ rate (though he was better at taking care of the ball). As I noted above: I don’t see how anyone who watched Jefferson vanish for the Spurs in this year’s playoffs can come to the conclusion that he’s anything better than a fungible aging journeyman small forward.

The 20th pick? Really? That’s precisely as close to our current pick as it is the the 34th pick — the one we just gave to Portland in exchange for a nickel bag of Multnomah’s county’s finest hemp and a new pair of Nikes. A bunch of mainstream draft-mockers still seem to think our #6 pick gives us a shot at Cousins, statistically the best player in this draft by a good margin. I strongly doubt we’ll be that lucky, but heck, I’d take even a 5% shot at Cousins over whatever scrub is available at #20 and Richard freaking Jefferson.

Or, as Balance said much more succinctly…

Not the worst trade i’ve EVER heard proposed but, VERY close.

There will be no extra point!

by Sleepy Freud on Jun 22, 2010 11:59 AM PDT up reply actions

A bunch of mainstream draft-mockers still seem to think our #6 pick gives us a shot at Cousins, statistically the best player in this draft by a good margin. I strongly doubt we’ll be that lucky, but heck, I’d take even a 5% shot at Cousins over whatever scrub is available at #20 and Richard freaking Jefferson.

If we don’t like the available options at #6

Operating under the assumption Cousins isn’t there, as in, draft day trade type of thing.

by Missing Barry on Jun 22, 2010 12:10 PM PDT up reply actions

Don’t over-look Monroe. How many skilled 6’11" 250 pound bigmen have we had the opportunity to draft over the years? Even after Monroe’s somewhat disappointing freshman campaign he still probably would have gone in the top 5 of last years draft class.

Plus he’s only 20 years old and looks like he could easily add muscle to his frame. 15-25 pounds would make him an absolute beast.

by Balance on Jun 22, 2010 1:04 PM PDT up reply actions

I’m not a huge fan, but if the front office thinks he’s a decent prospect, yeah, it’s a good point. The premise for my suggestion is still largely dependant on what we think of the available options at 6 – I’ve seen suggestions that the #6 pick isn’t much better than the #20 pick. If we agree with that sentiment, then I don’t see the trade as being all that bad.

by Missing Barry on Jun 22, 2010 1:26 PM PDT up reply actions

I don’t think a lot of people would agree with that sentiment. Even the semi-interesting guys (George, Aminu, Udoh, Babbitt, Patterson, Henry e.g.) will all be long gone by #20. #20 is no man’s land, imo.

There will be no extra point!

by Sleepy Freud on Jun 22, 2010 1:36 PM PDT up reply actions

Well, who do we have after the top 5? Monroe, Aminu, George, Udoh, Babbitt, Patterson, Henry, Hayward, Orton, Aldrich, Davis (in no order) takes us up to the 16 pick. Anyone have any more guys to add to that mix? Maybe including Orton in there is too optimistic on him. There’s definitely value in having more options as opposed to the one guy left who may or may not fit your team and who you may or may not like as much, too, of course.

by Missing Barry on Jun 22, 2010 1:49 PM PDT up reply actions

Trading the #6 is ridiculous, and totally unnecessary to make this a solid win-win for both clubs.

If we give up Turiaf, Azubuike or Williams, and Maggette for Jefferson the Spurs will be dramatically stronger next year, assuming they also add their big guy from Europe. We open up PT for the #6 and our other young guys. We need to start looking for guys and creating cap space to find a group that will gel with Steph Curry.

by asstman on Jun 22, 2010 2:30 PM PDT up reply actions

[Info on Randolph] Would have been valuable at this time... But our management failed.

by LarryLegendofOracle on Jun 22, 2010 8:48 AM PDT reply actions

Not the worst trade i've EVER heard proposed but, VERY close.

by Balance on Jun 22, 2010 9:34 AM PDT reply actions

;)

[Info on Randolph] Would have been valuable at this time... But our management failed.

by LarryLegendofOracle on Jun 22, 2010 9:45 AM PDT up reply actions

Why would we include the 6th pick in this?

LATAZ

by Potential on Jun 22, 2010 2:14 PM PDT reply actions

Both teams win.

The Warriors freeing up 15Million is very worthwhile. It will help us offset the bad contracts that we are gonna have trouble moving. We need to hear a plan to bring in players that are gonna peak along with Curry, if no such plan develops Curry will make his home elsewhere. There are a number of Warriors, who while being very good players, are not gonna be part of the Curry & Company group that we need to find.

Trading the #6 is ridiculous, and totally unnecessary to make this a solid win-win for both clubs.

If we give up Turiaf, Azubuike or Williams, and Maggette for Jefferson the Spurs will be dramatically stronger next year, assuming they also add their big guy from Europe. We retain the #6, and make room for Randolf, and Greg Monroe. With or without Jefferson, who would bounce back to form with our faster pace, we’d still have plenty of depth at SF, even if we lost two wings. Keeping the #6 means keeping Radmonovic and the like. Sad, but true. If W Johnson falls to us, we have to send a couple of wings packing. The Spurs should JUMP at that trade. Honestly, they might even give up a future first rounder to add Maggette, Azubuike, and Turiaf. Done, and done!

by asstman on Jun 22, 2010 2:22 PM PDT reply actions