RUMOR: Milwaukee Bucks offering Dan Gadzuric and Charlie Bell to Golden State Warriors for Corey Maggette + Is Andris Biedrins next salary dump?

easier said than done

Maggette is a decent three.

+1

Ronny can slide to the the starting spot

Ronny should probably not even be seeing substantial minutes as a backup. He’s really not good.

there would only be $4 million of salary on the 2011/2012 season. Your shedding $6 million of salary that year and $10.9 million the next year

Charlie Bell was on Jason Richardson’s college team.

Morrow, Azubuike and Williams are backups at the wing spots. If one person starts, Radmanovic can be a backup small forward and won’t see that much time anyway if people are somewhat healthy.

He misses games for every little nick and bruise he gets

I agree it’d suck to lose another driver but with a healthy Buike and Monta and possibly an inside player like Cuz we should be fine

I think I would want it done if it did somehow include Biedrins. Hey if you are going to pull a salary dump and make the team substantially wore in the short run, heck you might as well go all the way.

1. Sign big free agents.
2. Have the space to take on other team’s salary problems but also get draft picks for wasting your time. I’m thinking about stuff like the Kurt Thomas for draft picks trades.

Cousins is not a center!

Oy. Always the wrong answer!

He’s too fat and slow to play PF. He’s HUGE.
I mean, are you kidding? That’s outrageous.

defensive-minded, play-making SF.

What the Warriors need is a defensive-minded, playmaking PG.
What the Warriors need is a defensive-minded, playmaking SG.
What the Warriors need is a defensive-minded, playmaking SF.
What the Warriors need is a defensive-minded, playmaking PF.
What the Warriors need is a defensive-minded, playmaking C.
What the Warriors need is a defensive-minded, playmaking coach.

You’re just asking for the perfect player. If only we had somebody who was really, really, really good at offense and defense. That’d be the bees knees.

my only guess is it would be Biedrins and Vlad for Redd thrown in? Just a guess but probably not worth speculating over.

so we’d spend more on two players we don’t need than on the one that we can use to foul out the other teams? That makes us better how??

 Haha, that’s like a injury recovering D leaguer backed up by a hurt old guy and another D leaguer and a guy who was undrafted? Yeah that’s not too bad.

it’s pretty funny actually

It’s a little misleading the way it is written.

The one good thing we have to look forward to, is that even with a team of of D-Leaguers, we play a fun entertaining style of ball. And with a healthy team, we could surprise a few teams steal a few wins. But your def on point that barring a miracle, it’ll be another tough season to watch.

I would really not be shocked if there is a complete roster shake up over the next year or two.

I agree that we’d be a worse team next year without Maggette and Beans. And that would be a good thing. As far as I’m concerned, there are pretty much two things you want to be in the NBA: a really good team or a really bad team. You pretty much are not going to become the former without a stretch as the latter (see: OKC). I don’t want to rehash the tired “should we tank?” argument, which comes around every spring as predictably as the buds on the cherry trees. Those fans who agree with the great visionary championship builder Garry St. Jean (“you don’t learn to win by losing”) are free to throw in their lot with Maggs, Beans, Monta and all those other expensive, kind-of-good guys and settle in for even more of our interminable 35-win seasons. But I would actually feel much happier if we just cleared out everyone aside from Steph, Randolph (who is a gamble for sure, but one I’m still 100 percent willing to take), and maybe some of our other cheap guys with potential. I don’t care if it’s a “garage sale” or a “garbage” sale. Let’s just clear it out. We might end up like New Jersey, you say? I say “awesome.”

 hell yeah, the west just won the rings so everything is right with the world.
  I can take another year of D leaguers and injuries for the glory of the cap space.
    say “Queensbridge”

First of all, it’s bizzare that current ownership would hold a fire sale, seeing as that they’re not paying out that money.

I mean maybe they can bump up their sale price a little by cutting liabilities, but there’s got to a limit to how much that works. Therefore, I doubt many debatable moves would be made without the tacit consent of the incoming ownership group unless Cohan was in f-u mode.

Secondly, for all the talk of us having “only $34.6m” committed for ‘11-12 (which is true) it’s also important to recognize that number is one of the higher ones in the league – and that is the relevant comparison, not comparing it to the current salary cap.

The teams which have more money than that committed fall into four categories:

1) Current championship contenders (Lakers, Celts, Cavs, Orlando) who overspent to make a run at a title.
2) Recent championship contenders still paying for it. (Spurs)
3) Bad teams which are totally hosed and are in shed salary mode (New Orleans, Toronto, Detroit, Philly) and have no clear path to improvement.
4) Scrappy bottom-tier playoff teams which don’t seem like they’re going to be contenders anytime soon (Charlotte, Denver.)

That’s it. Basically, if you’re one of those teams and you haven’t been playing for the title in the last couple of years, you are in a bad, bad spot going forward. You do not want to be in categories 3 or 4.

I think the fact that we have Maggette may deter many players from wanting to be here.

he doesn’t fit into our team next to Curry.

Maggette needs the ball in his hands to be effective, which means Curry plays off the ball more. Now that would be a good thing if Maggette knew how to find the open man instead of bulling his way into the lane, but more times then not when Maggs gets the ball he’s looking to score.

Ellis for all his warts has already shown to be an effective player off the ball w/ BD so if Ellis choose he fits in offensively with Curry.

Williams, Buike, Morrow are all effective playing off the ball and don’t demand a lot of possessions to be effective.

Biedrins and Turiaf are decent PnR options and again neither demand touches on offense to be effective.

Then we have the 4 spot where Wright, Randolph, and Monroe/Cousins need to step up.

So yes Maggs is a good player, but he’s a good OLD, EXPENSIVE, and ILL FITTING player.

It seems to me that the reason the Warriors can’t attract great FA’s is because they never have any cap room because all their money is tied up in average players like Maggette. I can’t remember the last time the Warrior’s have had any serious cap space going into an off-season. If you can come up with any examples of times the Warrior’s had money to sign a great FA but got turned down I would be interested to see it.

I always felt like the Warrior’s would continually tread water just under the cap with players like Troy Murphy, Derek Fisher, Erik Dampier, Stephen Jackson, Corey Maggette, and Andris Biedrins eating up all the cap space while providing performances that ranged from mediocre to pretty good. I think you have it backwards, it’s continuing to hold on to decent players like Maggette with bloated contracts that prevents the Warrior’s from making any big signings in free agency. They’ve never been willing to make the moves to create serious cap space.

  He should go at #2 right behind JohnWall

A variation of this trade is already being discussed on this board.

Of course, the variation involves our tossing in our #6 pick, which makes it pretty distasteful from the Ws’ perspective, imo. I like your version much better. Not sure how wild the Spurs would be about it, alas.

I’d be especially glad to read Atma Brother ONE speculate on this.

Haha. Who doesn’t enjoy reading AB1 speculate? Even more than that, I enjoy reading him postulate, hypothesize, conjecture, and muse. ;-)

http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/96920999.html

Gadzuric? Bell? I mean I know they’re expiring but I would have thought you guys could have gotten something better than that for Maggette…

but yea, i would imagine this would somewhat change how they approach the draft. They could definitely go after a SF now, and in my opinion, couldn’t they trade down in the draft?
Obviously i know that that’s been thrown around here as an option along with a good amount of other options. But one of the players i am in love with is Paul George, another SF, however the level of competition scares me. Just throwing that out there for people here, trade down if they are for sure on knowing Cousins will get drafted by Sac? i know Marcus Thompson tweeted about “#GSW needs SF & @King24George is a beast. And if there is a way to get Milsap too …” but, dont know how they could get that done

According to the Warriors salary page on Hoopshype.com they have the following players under contract:

Ellis – 11 million
Biedrins – 9 million
Turiaf – 4.3 million (PO)
Curry – 3.1 million (TO)
Randolph – 2.9 million (TO)
Wright – 4.5 million (QO)

That’s $34.8 million for 11-12 season. Although Morrow will probably be signed in the 3-5 range and our 1st round pick will probably be in the 3-4 range. So lets call that 43 million or so committed to 11-12 season. Depending on the cap we still don’t have that much wiggle room.

Maggette for two scrubs who will never see action one biggish expiring contract and another that’s cheap enough to buy out or waive.

for the draft at least, k, so can someone help me out here, i understand it’s a salary dump, but the warriors are getting 2 expiring contracts. Are they just planning ahead and setting themselves up for next year?

they’re looking at it from a talent perspective. We lost talent in this trade.
They aren’t looking at it from a money perspective. in that regard, this is a hugely great trade for us.

J. Lin probably won’t be drafted. Warriors can still sign him as an undrafted FA.

Not only that, but with the D-League and the W’s ability to find talent there, there’s really not much value in the 44th pick.

Biedrins is next up for a salary dump

Ellis would be a talent deal.

Does it matter? If we’re trading both for the two reasons, they are interchangeable. Monta is better as a salary dump since his contract is bigger. Also, since Biedrins’ contract is a little less, his services a little more valuable, and his behavioral track record a little cleaner, I’d think he would attract better talent than Monta.