RUMOR: Golden State Warriors taking Baylor forward Ekpe Udoh over Greg Monroe if DeMarcus Cousins and Derek Favors already taken in 2010 NBA Draft
by Atma Brother ONE on Jun 22, 2010 8:12 PM PDT
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In the Tuesday Night Draft Buzz over at ESPN.com True Hoop Chad Ford notes:
If the Kings take Cousins at 5, we're left with an interesting scenario at No. 6 in Golden State. We've had Greg Monroe pegged there for a week, but after a poor workout, the Warriors are now leaning away from Monroe. A plugged in source tells us that Ekpe Udoh is now the favorite to land in Golden State if the DeMarcus Cousins and Derek Favors are off the board.
I'd guesstimate that the chances are (unfortunately) extremely slim that either Cousins or Favors will be there for the Warriors at the #6 slot, so that only means that Chris Cohan will trade the pick for cold hard cash- just kidding... I think.
So this more likely means that the Warriors are going to be in an interesting and likely unenviable situation of making some not-so-fun choices. Monroe looks like a smart ball player and a very nice rebounding big man. But unless Larry Riley and Don Nelson are throwing yet another smokescreen (which I don't doubt) Monroe didn't look so great when the Warriors brought him in. So maybe their guy is Udoh?
Truth be told I have absolutely no idea, but it's fun to track and follow. I can't wait till Thursday. You better believe we'll be live blogging the festivities- for the SIXTH straight year. Now that's UNSTOPPABLE BABY!
Also see: RUMOR: DeMarcus Cousins is Golden State Warriors guy and Greg Monroe is next
Draft Profiles
- Epke Udoh: NBADraft.net | DraftExpress
- Greg Monroe: NBADraft.net | DraftExpress
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I sure hope not
I actually have this crazy notion that Monroe could turn into a point forward and play alongside Randolph and Biedrins with Curry/Ellis in the backcourt. Did anyone watch the footage of Monroe working out with the Kings? He was stepping out and hitting 3’s like nobody’s business. Too bad about the credit card hops.
Udoh has range
The most popular comparison I see is “Rasheed Wallace without the attitude”. Of course you could see ’sheed’s attitude made him the player he is for better AND worse.
From Draft Express:
Udoh ranks 5th in our sample in both jump shots per-game (3.4) and spot-up PPP at 1.08. He also used an impressive 14.1% of his offensive possessions in isolation situations, which would have ranked him right around average amongst small forwards. Udoh’s 0.831 points-per possession in isolation situations would have ranked him 8th amongst small forwards, and is a prime example of what he can bring to the table at the next level as a mismatch threat.
I think he’s got potential to develop 3 point range, but most scouts see him as very comfortable at 17-20 feet.
The most popular comparison I see is "Rasheed Wallace without the attitude".
excellent. Remember Curry was “Mike Bibby without the baggage”?
[Info on Randolph] Would have been valuable at this time... But our management failed.
by LarryLegendofOracle on Jun 22, 2010 8:56 PM PDT up reply actions
Bibby in his prime was a very good player
I preferred the Mark Price comparisons to be honest for Curry. It seems he could be better though, but we’ll see. Both those guys turned it over less than Curry
I preferred the Mark Price comparisons to be honest for Curry.
Sorry, that doesn’t pass the skin color test. Curry can only be compared to light skinned African American players :-P
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by Dubs fan in Boston on Jun 23, 2010 9:57 AM PDT up reply actions
Curry will be Delonte West
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by Reverend_Randy on Jun 23, 2010 4:33 PM PDT up reply actions
Only less insane.
And hopefully without the “hooking up with teammate’s mum” part.
"I hate to recommend drugs, alcohol, violence or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me." - Hunter S. Thompson.
??
[Info on Randolph] Would have been valuable at this time... But our management failed.
by LarryLegendofOracle on Jun 23, 2010 4:36 PM PDT up reply actions
MB has been using a Mark Price comparison for Curry
for months.
Pro-Skub for life
by Reverend_Randy on Jun 23, 2010 4:37 PM PDT up reply actions
And so what is so funny about the Delonte thing..
[Info on Randolph] Would have been valuable at this time... But our management failed.
by LarryLegendofOracle on Jun 23, 2010 4:37 PM PDT up reply actions
Curry can only be compared to light skinned African American players :-P
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by Reverend_Randy on Jun 23, 2010 4:44 PM PDT up reply actions
I realize that Delonte is mixed
Pro-Skub for life
by Reverend_Randy on Jun 23, 2010 4:45 PM PDT up reply actions
……..
[Info on Randolph] Would have been valuable at this time... But our management failed.
by LarryLegendofOracle on Jun 23, 2010 4:45 PM PDT up reply actions
...
sure is constructive conversation in here
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by Reverend_Randy on Jun 23, 2010 4:47 PM PDT up reply actions
lol
Please note the 11 next to my name. All others are frauds.
by wallywagon11 on Jun 23, 2010 11:23 PM PDT up reply actions
"The most popular comparison I see is "Rasheed Wallace without the attitude"."
Sheed would never get schooled by Monty Williams.
watch new Hornets coach Monty Williams shut Udoh down in a workout
by homer simpson on Jun 22, 2010 10:54 PM PDT up reply actions
that was a beatdown
Randolph is a garbage-point collector and Wright is probably never going to be an NBA starter, not JONeal at all.
LarryLegendofOracle
Wow
that was embarassing
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by Reverend_Randy on Jun 23, 2010 1:25 AM PDT up reply actions
watch new Hornets coach Monty Williams shut Udoh down in a workout
Yeah, as well as he ‘shut him down’, Udoh showed great footwork, timing, patience, and fought well for position down low.What is wrong?
[Info on Randolph] Would have been valuable at this time... But our management failed.
by LarryLegendofOracle on Jun 23, 2010 7:38 AM PDT up reply actions
Udoh showed great footwork, timing, patience, and fought well for position down low.?
yeah ,he probably was just showing some respect to the coach too. His balance looks good and he seems to have a little Tmac calmness in him?
Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Jun 23, 2010 11:48 AM PDT up reply actions
Yikes-do we want TMac calmness
cause we would also get tmac not showing up in playoffs -ness too!
cause we would also get tmac not showing up in playoffs -ness too! yaeh but we're talkin about
the 6th pick here, not the #1 so a Tmac would be pretty sweet.
Not sayin I’d draft him but if they did and we got a Tmac I’d be satisfied.
I’d go all out to get big Cuz and not worry about who got picked 6th though.
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by Skeptic con Urquell on Jun 23, 2010 12:49 PM PDT up reply actions
OK see your point
of course, my comment assumes we would even get to the playoffs to begin with
Eh, it’s a workout, it doesn’t appear to me that the end result is what they’re evaluating at all. They’re looking for other things – how is his footwork? How does he establish position effectively? What kind of low post and triple threat moves does he have? The coach is pushing him around a lot – how does he battle through contact and does he maintain his poise? He’s obviously tired for this drill, they have him shooting FT’s – how does he maintain his shooting form?
From what I saw, I was thoroughly unimpressed with his skills in the triple threat. Not a single time does he attack his defender. His first dribble/step don’t take him anywhere. It’s wasted effort, and it’s not going to create against quality opposition. He seems to have the footwork for a little stepback, but he pushes off, and again, he has to go to it almost every time because he can’t beat his man because of how poorly he attacks. You also don’t see him do much to establish post position, so it doesn’t seem to shed light on his low post abilities at all – was he asked to do that high post work, or was he forced there because of his inability to get to the block and establish position? I don’t know.
by Missing Barry on Jun 23, 2010 1:15 PM PDT up reply actions
Yuck
I really don’t like that decision. Not a fan.
Please note the 11 next to my name. All others are frauds.
Where's the vote for other?
I’m really not liking either one of these guys.
"If God made us in his image then he must be dumb too, and a little ugly on the side."
Frank Zappa
NOOOOOOOOO!!!
Monroe is bad enough, but if Udoh is the pick I’m becoming a Kings fan. I’d rather we took the big white stiff over him.
according to this article, riley loves monroe
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2010/06/20/SP3M1E2A65.DTL&feed=rss.warriors
quit being so sour. Udoh isn’t bad. at the worst he’d be a poor man’s jason thompson:
*excellent defender
*Solid rebounder
*solid offensive player with genreally good iso game, mid range J, and solid passer
Don’t see the problem. It’s not like we’re taking Udoh to screw ourselves over. His athleticism is underrated as well.
[Info on Randolph] Would have been valuable at this time... But our management failed.
by LarryLegendofOracle on Jun 22, 2010 8:45 PM PDT reply actions
We already have enough 4's.
"It's like Will Smith, remember the Fresh Prince? Get the ball don't let nobody else shoot? That's kinda what the offense can be sometimes, and they're just standing around waiting for Monta to make a play"
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by golden_solitude on Jun 22, 2010 8:45 PM PDT up reply actions
Thompson is a 5…and a damn good one.
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by LarryLegendofOracle on Jun 22, 2010 8:50 PM PDT up reply actions
We should be worried about having the "poor man" version of an already average player
"It's like Will Smith, remember the Fresh Prince? Get the ball don't let nobody else shoot? That's kinda what the offense can be sometimes, and they're just standing around waiting for Monta to make a play"
-MT2
by golden_solitude on Jun 22, 2010 8:51 PM PDT up reply actions
I like Thompson but let's not start talking about him like he is a comlete player
He can rebound alright and he can be a real spark plug. His defense is surprisingly not god awful statistically and can’t wait to see what happens when Hawes is not back there anymore. His offensive game will never be great though. He is a jump shooting big man who doesn’t have the greatest jump shot. He doesn’t have the lift to finish at a high rate around the hoop. Getting a poor man’s version of Thompson is not a very good 6th pick.
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by wallywagon11 on Jun 22, 2010 8:54 PM PDT up reply actions
Thompson is a 5…and a damn good one.
Well that’s a stretch…
by Goldenstarter on Jun 22, 2010 10:30 PM PDT up reply actions
Thompson is “damn good”? In what way? He’s an average rebounder, isn’t great at protecting the rim (below average in blocks, for example), scores a bit above average but at below average efficiency…..seems like some high praise to me….
by Missing Barry on Jun 23, 2010 1:19 PM PDT up reply actions
Udoh is 6-10 in shoes with a 7-4.5 wingspan!
He can play 5
Wright says he weighs 229. link If that’s true Udoh outweighs him by a whopping 8 lbs. Wright’s standing reach is 2" taller & his max vert is 4" higher than Udoh’s.
normally a 4th yr player is done physically growing & a rookie is not, but Udoh is actually older than Brandan by 2.5 months.
by homer simpson on Jun 22, 2010 10:21 PM PDT up reply actions
Different body types
They are both slim, but Udoh has stronger core area, and is a better overall defensive presence.
by duballers23 on Jun 22, 2010 11:26 PM PDT up reply actions
Sorry but I wouldn't want a poor man's Jason Thompson with the 6th pick
His rebounding is solid but nearly close to being that of a high prospect. Plus his FG% is ungood. Don’t like him. If they pick him yet want to keep AR I would be confused.
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by wallywagon11 on Jun 22, 2010 8:51 PM PDT up reply actions
er "not nearly"
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by wallywagon11 on Jun 22, 2010 8:52 PM PDT up reply actions
And one reason is he isn't very explosive.
I don’t think that is going to change anytime soon.
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by wallywagon11 on Jun 22, 2010 8:55 PM PDT up reply actions
I agree. Udoh isn’t very explosive. But he has above-average athleticism. He is a better finisher around the rim than Monroe, I think.
[Info on Randolph] Would have been valuable at this time... But our management failed.
by LarryLegendofOracle on Jun 22, 2010 8:58 PM PDT up reply actions
I think, he is pretty explosive
Watched some Baylor last year, and I didn’t see him as stiff as Monroe;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PSMfZq2gOUk
And more of what I love about him, he’s VERY smooth basketball player:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nsEkuOt1mhg&feature=fvw
Just my two cents, I’m not sure who will be better him or Monroe, I’m not a big fan of athleticism over skill, but I do think Udoh will be a good pro.
poor man's JT...That is hillarious
You have to have acheived better than Mediocre status to have a poorman’s version.
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by StinkyFingers on Jun 22, 2010 9:08 PM PDT up reply actions
at the worst he’d be a poor man’s jason thompson:
haha, Jason Thompson is already the poor man’s Jason Thompson.
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by Skeptic con Urquell on Jun 22, 2010 9:10 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
What makes you think he’s a solid offensive player? He wasn’t much of a scorer at Baylor, and that’s while being bigger than his competition. Did get a respectable number of assists, but other than that….
Also, as a rebounder, he was 93rd in college basketball in offensive rebounding pct last season, and didn’t show up in the top 100 in defensive rebounding pct…..
by Missing Barry on Jun 23, 2010 1:22 PM PDT up reply actions
Udoh too me is a career 15-25 minute guy
Where does he fit in? A short center? Crowded 4 spot?
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I don't agree with much Fitz says BUT this I do....
“Don’t believe rumors with in 24 hours of the Draft”
Babbitt
over Udoh anytime. Much higher B-Ball IQ better shooter, better scorer. And unlike some ealier reports that he is not athletic enough, he proved himself in tryouts. He is one of only a handful of 20+ scorers (even if it was with Nevada). He has been steadily moving up the board.
Just a question here, but how is it that some of the analysts already compare him to Chris Mullin?
His name is Bond, Brock Bond, and his adopted father? ME, any questions?
+1
I’d take Babbitt or George over Udoh.
FWIW, John Hollinger doesn’t even have Udoh in his Top 30.
(Monroe is #4 ahead of both Favors and Johnson, Henry #7, Babbitt #8, George #9).
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on Jun 22, 2010 9:17 PM PDT up reply actions
Agreed
I’d take Paul George over Udoh. I’d take John Ringo over Udoh. I’d take Play-Doh over Udoh.
by BlueInTheFace on Jun 22, 2010 9:38 PM PDT up reply actions
All irony aside, John Hollinger is an idiot. That being said, I’d separately like to say Udoh is underrated and a great fit.
[Info on Randolph] Would have been valuable at this time... But our management failed.
by LarryLegendofOracle on Jun 22, 2010 9:54 PM PDT up reply actions
I’d take John Ringo over Udoh.
How about Paul George over John Ringo?
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by Skeptic con Urquell on Jun 22, 2010 10:21 PM PDT up reply actions
That’s a tough one. Do you go for the best player in the deal and the scrub, or the two solid stars?
Personally, I’m a total sucker for the sweet left handed stroke of Paul and the intangibles of George. Plus, while John has a ridiculous upside, he’s also reputed to have some personality issues and bust potential. As for Ringo … pure salary ballast.
On balance … give me Paul George.
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on Jun 23, 2010 7:40 AM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Funny, I never thought about it
But John Lennon really was the DeMarcus Cousins of music.
by BlueInTheFace on Jun 23, 2010 7:50 AM PDT up reply actions
He has Sylven Landesberg 10th.
So, yeah.
by Spider Jerusalem on Jun 23, 2010 2:12 AM PDT up reply actions
Don’t want Babbitt. Want a guy who can contribute defensively in some ways. It’s not a knock on Babbitt, just that I don’t think he’s a good fit to add to a team that’s much, much better offensively than it is defensively.
by Missing Barry on Jun 23, 2010 1:25 PM PDT up reply actions
I dunno if I like this or not.
Listening to his interview on draft express, he seems very coachable and a hard worker. He’s developed good range and rapidly improved. Possibly a late bloomer which isn’t uncommon for bigs.
So we're totally rulling out the option to draft a position player at the 3
His name is Bond, Brock Bond, and his adopted father? ME, any questions?
Yea, so which basically means
they’re not drafting a 3, well, not for sure, they might as well draft a PF or C, just don’t see a way they’re keeping, Turiaf, Biedrins and Hunter obviously if they get a C for example
His name is Bond, Brock Bond, and his adopted father? ME, any questions?
HAHA, i’m just saying facts there, it’s not hard to speculate that Hunter will be the odd guy out if they draft Cousins. But when we look at the 3 for example, options are Aminu, Babbit, and George for the 3. PF would be Udoh, obviously it’s a crapshoot right now
His name is Bond, Brock Bond, and his adopted father? ME, any questions?
Yeah, i don't like Babbit or Aminu at all
and George at 6 is a huge stretch
Well, i do kinda like Aminu
However if they were set on a 3 for the draft and let’s say George is their guy (i’m not pullin for george to get drafted here because of my pic) but they could definitely attempt a trade with someone looking to move up. However i’m not sure if there’s a team out there desperate to move up
His name is Bond, Brock Bond, and his adopted father? ME, any questions?
As long as you brought it up … as a Fresno State guy, what’s your take on George? Mark Spears just talked to a scout who thinks he’ll be the best NBA Player in this whole draft. Do you think he has that kind of potential?
My latest wish list…
1. Cousins
2. George
3. Babbitt
4. Monroe
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on Jun 22, 2010 9:30 PM PDT up reply actions
You know what’s weird? I usually post over on Mccoveychronicles, so i had the pic because i was reminiscing of their College World Series win. But i followed George SPARINGLY. However, i think the kid does have some legit potential, he has the athleticism, length, scoring ability. Plus at 6’9 220? that in my mind is a good size at the 3 also has some very good energy.
With your wish list? I definitely agree with it, although, i may get a little bit of a disagreement from you, but at 4. i’d put Aminu, then 5 being Monroe
His name is Bond, Brock Bond, and his adopted father? ME, any questions?
Nobody
has George as a PF in my readings; especially weighing only 220 lbs. But he has great natural wing skills and supposidly has one of the highest “UPSIDES” in the draft. I would want him on the team but we already have two still-developing players that were labeled the same way (Randolph & Wright)
The only thing is, those 2 players Randolph and Wright can be a 4, however, Randolph can be a 3, but in my opinion it wouldn’t hurt at all taking a chance in George
His name is Bond, Brock Bond, and his adopted father? ME, any questions?
Randolph is closer to a 5 than a 3
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by Dubs fan in Boston on Jun 23, 2010 10:07 AM PDT up reply actions
Ooooo i dunno about that
With his strength, that’s the only thing that concerns me there
His name is Bond, Brock Bond, and his adopted father? ME, any questions?
True, but his skillset is a much better fit at post than wing at the moment.
by Missing Barry on Jun 23, 2010 2:12 PM PDT up reply actions
He’s got to prove to me that he can finish around the rim, i mean, still he’s pretty damn young, so i’m not worried
His name is Bond, Brock Bond, and his adopted father? ME, any questions?
As of right now his offensive game reminds me a lot of Josh Smith. Sure, he has a jumper, but not an effective one. When he gets put into a wing role, they both struggle, because they have to take more outside shots. When they play as a big man, they have the ballhandling and athleticism to create a mismatch taking the ball to the rim….and they’re definitely at their best going to the rim.
by Missing Barry on Jun 23, 2010 2:32 PM PDT up reply actions
Josh Smith minus the weight and strength. The thing that i’m HATING about Randolph though is the fact he continues to just put up jump shots when he could drive, or just have his back to the basket.
His name is Bond, Brock Bond, and his adopted father? ME, any questions?
Definitely wasn’t trying to say he is Josh Smith, just that they’re similar in the fact that they’re both most effective using their athleticism as a mismatch against bigs….
by Missing Barry on Jun 23, 2010 2:45 PM PDT up reply actions
Yea, i hear ya, but i do like the same mismatch approach
His name is Bond, Brock Bond, and his adopted father? ME, any questions?
I like George alot too... I think people are slightly overrating him though in a sense
He could easily be like Batum though, and if we could get A Nicholas Batum, i’d be happy!
I read...
That he had one of the best upsides of the draft. But big red flag: doesn’t have a high motor (should have dominated more in his weak division)
my latest
1.Favors
2 Cousins
3. Monroe
4. George
5. Aminu
1.Wall
2.Turner
3.Favors
4.Wes
5.Cousins
kidding, but yea, i hear ya
His name is Bond, Brock Bond, and his adopted father? ME, any questions?
Well yes. Right now I’d hope for anyone in the “consensus top 5” to drop.
But i’ve been on the Cousins bandwagon since about January and I’m not stopping now.
Cousins
Udoh
George
Monroe
Aldrich
But honestly, It’s hard for me to get excited unless Cousins finds his way to us. The worst of all outcomes is that he lands with the Kings. I want nothing to do with Tyreke and Cousins.
"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."
I want nothing to do with Tyreke and Cousins.
that could be one powerful tandem. might make me switch from lakers to kings for my backup team.
Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Jun 23, 2010 11:51 AM PDT up reply actions
might make me switch fromlakersWarriors to kings for my backup team.
Haha. Fixed.
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on Jun 23, 2010 12:30 PM PDT up reply actions
Haha. Fixed.
If the Warriors haven’t been mathematically eliminated by christmas doesn’t that make the lakers the back up team?
Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Jun 23, 2010 12:51 PM PDT up reply actions
I’m just not interested in Babbitt at all. Not enough D. My wishlist:
Cousins
Johnson
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Monroe, Aminu, and I could probably talk myself into liking George, too, but at this point, I’ll just be pretty “meh” in general, but ok with any of those 2-3 picks I guess…..
by Missing Barry on Jun 23, 2010 1:30 PM PDT up reply actions
but they could definitely attempt a trade with someone looking to move up.
but we always get screwed in trades,
No sir I don’t like it.
Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Jun 22, 2010 10:26 PM PDT up reply actions
But what fun is it to just say that?
It’s much more fun to speculate and just dream
His name is Bond, Brock Bond, and his adopted father? ME, any questions?
i mean, does it hurt to dream about Turner?
His name is Bond, Brock Bond, and his adopted father? ME, any questions?
/knows this
what about a guy named oh let’s say Derrick favors? now i’m just being dumb
His name is Bond, Brock Bond, and his adopted father? ME, any questions?
Udoh is a gem
He’s older, which is good for a big man — it takes a while for someone that large to season. He’s gotten dramatically better over the past four years, and was a beast in the NCAA tournament. He will continue to improve for the foreseeable future. I hope he does so as a Warrior.
"He's gotten dramatically better over the past four years"
Hope you’re right if we get stuck with this dude. But, just sayin’, that is exactly what they said about Todd Fuller. Frankly, I think this is all a smokescreen and we’re going to go SF (my personal hunch, Babbitt, but George seems like a possibility too). I mean, who is Ford’s “plugged-in source” if it’s not Udoh’s agent? And if it’s someone in the W’s front office, what’s his motive for flapping his gums to ESPN about the Warriors’ double-top-secret plans? As a thank-you for the 10,000 times Ford has called the Warriors’ front office idiots in print? In general, when was the last time a pre-draft leak nailed it? Last year at this time, all the plugged-in sources were saying it was Jordan Hill, Jordan Hill, Jordan Hill, and Riley stoking the fires by saying “we need some beef.” We ended up beefing it all the way to the skinniest (and best) player in the draft.
by BlueInTheFace on Jun 22, 2010 9:55 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
And if it’s someone in the W’s front office, what’s his motive for flapping his gums to ESPN about the Warriors’ double-top-secret plans?
You bet he’s getting double secret probation once Dean Riley finds out who it was…
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by Dubs fan in Boston on Jun 23, 2010 10:13 AM PDT up reply actions
Actually the evidence points to older being a bad thing. Aging curves work on age, not on years in the league, so we should expect less improvement out of an older guy. Basically, an older player needs to be better than a younger player right now just to be their equal as a prospect. It’s a factor working against Udoh, and it’s not clear he’ll continue to improve for the forseeable future – he could, but on average, guys his age don’t have much improvement left.
by Missing Barry on Jun 23, 2010 1:32 PM PDT up reply actions
I think Udoh > Monroe
because he brings in better defense (shot blocking) and maturity to go along with a consistent jump shot. just my opinion.
by jpees on Jun 22, 2010 9:49 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Monroe won't help us...
He rebounds well but has no hops and an OK offense. He did well at the college level because of his size and descent skills. But his lack of athleticism will end up getting his shot blocked consistantly at the pro level. And he had a horrible tryout with the Dubs.
*Therefore the Warriors cleared room (Mags out) to bring in a high ranked 3. Udoh can’t shoot from distance well enough to be a 3. Babbit, George or Aminu are my guesses.
Udoh is probably a better shooter than Aminu.
Aminu made just 24% of his jump shots this past season.
by samuraaaaiiiiiii on Jun 22, 2010 10:30 PM PDT up reply actions
But that is besides the point anyway… Udoh is too big to be a 3.
by samuraaaaiiiiiii on Jun 22, 2010 10:31 PM PDT up reply actions
Not too big...
but too slow.
"I hate to recommend drugs, alcohol, violence or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me." - Hunter S. Thompson.
but Aminu is 19 & Udoh is 23.
Aminu is better on the glass 14.6% vs 12.8% on offense & 20.7% vs 17.7% on defense. Aminu has 2" on his standing reach & most of their other #‘s aren’t all that different except weight; Udoh has an advantage here at 237 vs 216 for Aminu.
if you’re taking a PF, you may as well take the one who rebounds like one & is young enough to maybe get better & may also be able to play SF.
by homer simpson on Jun 22, 2010 10:43 PM PDT up reply actions
Plus the fact that Aminu has the athleticism you can't teach
you can help and teach him skills down low. Udoh has the skills but not the athleticism, there’s the tradeoff
His name is Bond, Brock Bond, and his adopted father? ME, any questions?
I think I'd rather take Paul George in that situation over Aminu.
"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."
Also, not to be a downer here
But if this scenario plays out as reported, those few plucky, worthless wins we gutted out at the end of the season were very likely the difference between Cousins and Udoh.
If playing that game, then one more win was the difference between Udoh and Wall.
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by wallywagon11 on Jun 22, 2010 10:18 PM PDT up reply actions
Oh wait
I thought you meant that one more loss would have been the difference between those guys. I don’t know. I just know I’d rather have Cousins than Udoh.
by BlueInTheFace on Jun 22, 2010 10:25 PM PDT up reply actions
You mean one more loss
Of the coin toss. We don’t know which number combination matched up. Perhaps was one of the #4 combinations that ended up in the hands of the Wizards.
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by Dubs fan in Boston on Jun 23, 2010 10:15 AM PDT up reply actions
those few plucky, worthless wins we gutted out at the end of the season were very likely the difference between Cousins and Udoh.
yep , god helps those who help themselves( to the draft feast)
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by Skeptic con Urquell on Jun 22, 2010 10:29 PM PDT up reply actions
Fingers crossed for Wes Johnson/DeMarcus Cousins.
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by dont_stop_believin' on Jun 22, 2010 10:41 PM PDT reply actions
i'd rely on your sign in name for that one don't stop baby!
His name is Bond, Brock Bond, and his adopted father? ME, any questions?
Udoh or Monroe??
So, as has been reported, Maggette is now gone, for Charlie Bell and Gadzuric….partially, according to reports, to “help clear up the muddled SF/PF position, with Brandan Wright and Manthony Randolph (sic), returning to health and in the plans”…….and now Gadzuric is “in the mix”" up front?, yet Monroe and or Udoh are the #1(realize probably best “big” fit for Nelson, but? Udoh will be good, and I can see Donny loving his potential, but he’s an Anthony Randolph, Jr., that’s a bit more willing to defend,,Monroe is an undersized, defending, hustle PF……so with a team of “SG-slash-PGs” and “SF-slash-PF-C’s”, what to do, what to do? Get Knicks to do sign and trade with a deal involving D.Lee for Monta, move down and draft a Xavier Henry or a Heyward, or move up for Favors or Cousins(not a “runner”)?? ORRR!? Trade the lotto pick, Monta, and Bell etc.. for Chris Paul and roll with Paul, Curry, Morrow///B.Wright, Manthony, and a Biedrins/Gadzuric+alltime FA list + 2ND ROUNDERS!!!!(draft is long on bigs, perhaps take a young Euro/SouthAm you don’t have sign….)
Why do people keep mentioning David Lee? He's a good rebounder and all, but the dude can't defend a lick. No thank you.
by duballers23 on Jun 22, 2010 11:31 PM PDT up reply actions
He’s also a very good offensive player in general. But yeah, the no defense thing makes him not desirable for our team in my opinion….
by Missing Barry on Jun 23, 2010 1:35 PM PDT up reply actions
He has kind of short arms
to play center.
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by Reverend_Randy on Jun 23, 2010 4:35 PM PDT up reply actions
Al Horford is pretty athletic, though
and I’d call him undersized for a center.
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by Reverend_Randy on Jun 23, 2010 5:09 PM PDT up reply actions
He’s barely under DE’s average measurements by position for a C. Above average for a PF.
by Missing Barry on Jun 23, 2010 6:18 PM PDT up reply actions
Udoh wont be very good based on...
what I see here against an assistant coach during pre draft workout http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AkuWCAvQe9M
by Brothaplease09 on Jun 22, 2010 11:02 PM PDT reply actions
Can we get coach Monty Williams to come play defense on our team?
well, he has to join the Dleague first before we will consider him?
Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Jun 22, 2010 11:51 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, because the defense he’s playing is definitely what the refs let you do in NBA games.
(It’s not)
But seriously, if you’re judging him based on the end results of a specific workout like that, you’re missing the point of the workout. It’s a drill to evaluate certain aspects of his game, whether he scores or not is really besides the point.
by Missing Barry on Jun 23, 2010 1:36 PM PDT up reply actions
Oy, that was painful. Cousins would have just used his ass to send Monte Williams flying off the court and dropped the ball in. Udoh looked completely helpless.
Mark me down for “Plastic Spork Hara Kiri” if we end up with Udoh, Ed Davis, or Patrick Patterson. I’m kinda sorta OK with Aminu, nervously excited about George and Babbitt, and increasingly content with Monroe.
(Not even allowing myself to fantasize about Cousins, but drooling a bit nonetheless…)
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on Jun 23, 2010 7:47 AM PDT up reply actions
What’s your deal with Davis? I like Davis, though I don’t want him only because….well, what’s the point when we already have Wright/Randolph….
by Missing Barry on Jun 23, 2010 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions
I dunno … Davis’s numbers do look damn solid — and college numbers tend to be one of the most criminally underrated criteria by NBA GMs — but it’s just weird that in all the draft site surfing I’ve done, no one seems even remotely excited about him. Plus there’s that ultra-boring name. Makes “Joe Smith” sound like “Shaquille O’Neal”…
To steal an Atma-Brotherly observation: both Monroe and Cousins have flava. What’s Ed Davis’s flava?
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on Jun 23, 2010 1:48 PM PDT up reply actions
Ha, decent take, I think Davis has a pretty low ceiling, precisely because he doesn’t have “flava” – that is, he’s never shown the desire/willingness/ability to take over games. I don’t see how he’ll ever be an impact player. That said, he should be a solid role player. So yeah, probably #6 is a bit high for him, but a little later in the lottery he seems like a solid pick to me, when the chances of getting something better than a solid role player become pretty slim…..
As an aside, I think you just perfectly described my feelings on Aldrich.
by Missing Barry on Jun 23, 2010 1:59 PM PDT up reply actions
he's getting his butt kicked
but it seemed like they wore him out before the one on one routine. I wish we could see more of these, especially when some of the better players go head to head in workouts.
If we draft Udoh, we're going to look back 3 years later and say
WTF was Riley thinking? Seriously, this guy has POB, Diogu written all over him.
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by golden_solitude on Jun 23, 2010 12:24 AM PDT reply actions
Hassan Whiteside.....
I rather take Whiteside over Udoh…. at least Whiteside is a legit 7 foot center….
Hmmm...
Talk of the Wolves trading the 16th pick may be premature. While the Grizzlies and Wolves have spoken, sources say there’s no deal yet. The Wolves continue to talk to teams as high as 5. Especially with it looking more and more like they’re getting Favors at 4, they’d love to add another athletic wing to the mix.
Oh please this.
Wolves take Favors at 4 (predicated on the “rumor” Nets take Johnson at 3. Smokescreen?).
Kings take Paul George or Aminu for the Wolves and trade down to the 16th pick where they take Hassan Whiteside. This’ll leave Cousins there at #6. Wonder how disappointed he’ll be?…
"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."
Well this is the worst case scenario we all feared
Having the 6th pick in a 5 player draft. You know the Dubs are burning up the phone lines trying to move down somewhere in the top 15. IMO the drop offs are at 5 and 15 with the 15th best player being every bit as good as Monroe or Udoh.
Monroe seems soft
I like Udoh better. if Wes Johnson falls there i would say grab him.. with ball hog Corey M gone we now have more room at the 3 and who will start there if the season started today? Azubuike, Morrow? I would like Johnson there
By all accounts, Johnson is even less likely to fall to #6 than Cousins.
By most accounts, Monroe is much more interesting prospect than Udoh. Rumors (for what little they’re worth) have NJ considering Monroe at the #3. Nobody seems to have Udoh in the Top 8. As I noted above, Hollinger doesn’t have Udoh in his Top 30. Yeah, Hollinger’s a bit of a dolt, but his statistics-based analysis does tend to have a much better hit-rate than that of the average NBA GM. Monroe put up slightly better numbers than Udoh in every area except shotblocking, in a tougher conference, despite being 3 years younger.
I dunno … I mean, none of us know … but based on everything I’ve read and seen, I’ll be pretty crushed if we pick Udoh at #6.
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on Jun 23, 2010 9:05 AM PDT up reply actions
I agree
Udoh is raw, some of his workouts looked terrible. But though Monroe’s immediate skill level is intriguing, Randolph and Wright have similar skill. It seems that addressing the 3 would be the best use of the pick, especially given that a combo of Buike, Williams, and Morrow is just too undersized for us to compete. I’d rather look for Cousins if he falls, otherwise take Aminu or George. Aminu looks like the kind of stopper and rebounder at the wing that would help Randolph at the 4 and an undersized guard like Ellis at the 2. George might be picked later around 12, but he looks like a Trevor Ariza-type player, so he’s interesting at the very least.
Curry, Ellis, Aminu/George, Randolph, Biedrins
by eastbayglory on Jun 23, 2010 9:13 AM PDT up reply actions
My problem with Hollinger’s little list is that Wes Johnson is #13…
by samuraaaaiiiiiii on Jun 23, 2010 11:59 AM PDT up reply actions
If you read...
You’ll see that both Udoh and Johnson are older than your average prospect (Udoh’s already 23, Johnson will be in July) which typically doesn’t bode well for players. They’re also both transfers, who didn’t do too much for their first schools. I think both of them are bit overrated.
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I don't mind the age with Wes
he’s already good. If this is as good as he gets that’s probably ok.
But Udoh? Dude isn’t even good right now.
The age thing is what makes me ok with Monroe. Age is very important.
by Missing Barry on Jun 23, 2010 1:39 PM PDT up reply actions
Draft DeMarcus trade Monta and others for rudy gay
Curry/Watson
Buike/morrow/Williams
Gay/Williams/morrow
Randolph/Wright/Tolliver
biedrins/cousins/turiaf
Fear is the Mind Killer
oh crap
will this be a bad draft again?
in the long tradition of fuller, vonteego cummings, etc. etc.
George
The George Kid from Fresno would be perfect! we need a 3 and he seems to have tons of upside and potential. not to mention he is already pretty good
Brians big boards weakness' on him, not what we need!
Likes to play on the perimeter too much.
Often avoids contact in the paint and can get muscled out of the post.
Doesn’t always establish himself offensively.
Needs to improve his post moves when going over his right shoulder.
Needs to develop a counter-post move that he can use when his first attempt gets stalled.
Can become stagnant on the offensive end and doesn’t always appear to know what he should do on that end of the floor.
Needs to become more consistent.
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Brians big boards weakness' on him?
Likes to play on the perimeter too much.
Often avoids contact in the paint and can get muscled out of the post.
Doesn’t always establish himself offensively.
Needs to improve his post moves when going over his right shoulder.
Needs to develop a counter-post move that he can use when his first attempt gets stalled.
Can become stagnant on the offensive end and doesn’t always appear to know what he should do on that end of the floor.
Needs to become more consistent.
haha, exactly what we got , nellie will love him
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by Skeptic con Urquell on Jun 23, 2010 11:20 PM PDT reply actions
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