The Golden State Warriors don't deserve us as fans..
Maybe a lot of you are happier now that Corey Maggette is gone... but why is that?
Maggette's contract was rather costly but let us not forget that it was the Warrior's management that offered that ridiculous contract to Maggette in the first place. This post will go off on tangents but will definitely focus on the Warriors current roster and situation.
I, personally, am not happy with the Maggette trade because once again we got NOTHING in return. Last off-season, we got rid of the up n coming 6th Man of the Year, Jamal Crawford, for pretty much nothing in return. Yet, we all applauded that trade because it saved us money, fine and understood. This time, we traded our second leading scorer, who was one dimensional but still a pretty efficient scorer for NOTHING again!! Gadzuric and C. Bell are not good enough players who we want in our rotation if we are trying to make the playoffs. AND, the money we saved we have to wait at least until the 2011 free agent market, meaning that we have to waste another season with crap players. Again, we trade away a scorer for a couple garbage role players. For those of you who do not know basketball well, the primary duties of a SG or SF, besides having an efficient field goal percentage, is to score. It is not to rebound or get assists, it is to score the ball. That is how it is in todays modern game. Assists are to the PG and rebounds are to the PF or/and Cs of the game. Maggette was good at what he was supposed to be good at, to score no matter how he did it. He got to the free throw line efficiently and was smart about not taking abundant 3 pt shot attempts. Again, he was overpaid... but that wasn't his fault, Warriors management was at fault.
With Maggette gone, we not have an even bigger dilemma than before...
The Warriors biggest problem for a while now has been the PF spot. Since Antawn Jamison left, we have had a big, fat ugly question mark at the PF spot since we haven't had one worthy of starting. The WE BELIEVE team of 06-07 was great but it lacked a low post scorer that could have taken us further into the playoffs. Brendan Wright was supposed to solve that issue but that hasn't worked out (yet). The Small Forward spot hasn't been a problem with us (Stephen Jackson, Corey Maggette) until now!
I know several of you are jumping on the Reggie Williams band wagon but the guy is not ready for heavy starter, playoff push minutes. First off let me say, a bunch of the guys we have playing at SF are not actually SFs but SGs who have no choice but to play the SF spot. Kelenna Azubuike is 6'5 and 220 lbs and he will most likely be our starting SF if no trade is done by the start of next season. Can you picture Azubuike guarding the likes the Carmelo Anthony, LeBron James, Danny Granger.. even Maggette or Stephen Jackson efficiently? All these guys have got height and weight on Azubuike. Reggie Williams and Anthony Morrow are all featherweights compared to these guys and Azubuike is definitely undersized at only 6'5. This is why we now have two glaring holes to this team, the PF AND now the SF spot.
By the way... the DRAFT isn't going to solve our problems immediately. We are not going to draft an impact player in this draft no matter who we get. We got lucky with Curry last year but even he wasn't able to stop us from LOSING more games than the previous season. Any player we draft will be a project and the Warriors will market them as players with potential that we have to wait for.
Lastly, MONTA ELLIS!!
Do U guys remember Monta Ellis during Baron Davis' last year?? The guy shot almost 60% from the field during the months of January and February. WHy is everyone saying bad things about him just cause he had an inefficient year?? REMEMBER Kobe Bryant was once labeled as selfish and inefficient when his Lakers were getting beat out of the first round of the playoffs by the Phoenix Suns when they sucked and had Kwame Brown, but that has changed now. Monta can be an efficient scorer IF he is no longer given the GREEN LIGHT. Monta needs to watch film of the Warriors winning in Dallas this year about 50 times over and over until he understands that he is only effective when driving into the lane. His 5th option should be taking the 3 pt shot only after; (1) driving and finishing, (2) driving n passing to an open man, (3) passing the ball in the first place, (4) driving n pulling up for the jump shot, (5) taking the forced 3 pt shot. OUT OF ALL THE 3 PT SHOOTERS WE HAVE, HE SHOULD BE ONE OF THE LAST TO TAKE THE 3 pt SHOT!! He needs to be told by the coaching staff that he no longer has the green light to jack up shots but now has the yellow light ;)
I blame the Golden State Warriors organization for this!
Saving money only benefits the team owners because we are taking away veteran, scorers away from a team filled with young guys that are "full of potential!" What does this potential mean nowadays??? Unfortunately, to me, 'potential' means I, as a fan, now have to wait a couple MORE years to see my team have a high probability of making the playoffs. We continue to trade, give away players with experience for players that have 'supposed' talent. It is not fair!! Trading away J-Rich for talent didn't work(yet), Jamal to Atlanta didnt work! Maggette to the Bucks for pretty much lame role players seems again like it will not work. Now we have to rely on our young guys to win games which Im sure the Warriors will market to us that that will take time. It seems like every year, the Warriors trade away experienced players for 'potential' players. I as a fan am TIRED of waiting for a potential player to develop or for a playoff push only to be told or subtlety told to wait for our young guys to mold into veterans when we continue to trade away our veterans. It isn't fair and EVERY YEAR it is a new excuse. 2 years ago it was the sudden departure of Baron Davis and Monta's injury, last season it was the injuries to the entire year, now this season it is most likely going to be the changing of ownership that we have to wait.
When r these guys going to realize that they have one of the best NBA fans in the league?/ They need to realize what they have and make something of it because we can only wait too long!!! Unfortunely, we cannot do much but to complain.. like I am am doing now.. All I know is the Bay Area is one of the best, unrecognized markets in the league and we deserve a legit, playoff contending team EVERY YEAR because we give our teams, NBA or not, 100% all the time!
PS: F the lakers ;)
This FanPost is a submission from a member of the mighty Golden State of Mind community. While we're all here to throw up that W, these words do not necessarily reflect the views of the GSoM Crew. Still, chances are the preceding post is Unstoppable Baby!
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Settle down, bro.
This trade only happened because the team is for sale and we need to shed contracts.
I’m willing to have a couple more bad years in the hope Ellison/Mastrov/whoever can save us.
"I hate to recommend drugs, alcohol, violence or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me." - Hunter S. Thompson.
Im glad u have patience...
because sadly I do not.. too bad i cant do anything about it ;(
I make love to pressure - Stephen Jackson
They tried to put me in a BOX - Stephon Marbury
Wow.

'Like' my band. I mean, it'd be awesome if you did that.
by slapchop on Jun 23, 2010 9:04 AM PDT reply actions 6 recs
Rec'd for the truth
I would say more but given that I can’t really speak for Warriors fans, I’m just going to have to leave it at that.
Please note the 11 next to my name. All others are frauds.
by wallywagon11 on Jun 23, 2010 9:25 AM PDT up reply actions
You have every right to vent Ro3 and speak what you want...
thats just what most Warrior fans do: Be extremely loyal and be overly passionate while exploding emotionally hoping not to self destruct.
You made some good points especially with
Can you picture Azubuike guarding the likes the Carmelo Anthony, LeBron James, Danny Granger.. even Maggette or Stephen Jackson efficiently?
That’s where the dubz truly have to focus on team defense and weakside help. We can only hope Keith Smart permanently stamps this into their brain, because Nellie sure wont. Rick Barry said it best that ’you dont have to be a great lockdown defender. You just have to understand the concept of good team defense."
We need a player that can truly play both SF-PF positions, and I’m hoping Anthony Randolph will be that player for us one day. if not immediately, then immediately soon. Jk. I do feel like he can be that player, especially on the defensive end once he gains more exprience on the floor and truly understands his defensive assignments.
I really did like Maggette on our team,but now that he’s gone it does make room for minutes in Reggie Dubz, Morrow, BW, Buike….even though it isn’t their natural positions. If the dubz are going in this direction, then they definitely have to step up as they have been granted open minutes to those who will succeed at the 3. I think Reggie would be the best player at the 3 out of those mentioned. He showed that he belongs in the NBA last season and if he wants to stay in this league he has to keep it up. I’m sure that’ll be part of his motivation.
Go warriors still.
ROMESdavidWOOD37 has taken over the Ongline. He's cool.
by ROMESdavidWOOD37 on Jun 23, 2010 9:28 AM PDT reply actions
The We Believe team that went to the playoffs..
Wasn’t composed of players with “potential” it had veteran, experienced playoffs across the starting lineup. Only Biedrins, you could say, was a young potential player and Ellis off the bench. Baron, JRich, Jackson, Al were had all reached their potentials and look what happened.
It just seems like every year the GS Warriors organization continues to stall, make trades that help in some other way than our number 1 goal which is to make the playoffs. Why is it that goal #3 comes ahead of goal #1 every year?? sucks!
I make love to pressure - Stephen Jackson
They tried to put me in a BOX - Stephon Marbury
Well, we got JRich through the draft. He had potential at one point, but was a veteran by the we-believe years. We got Baron, Jackson and Al Harrington because their teams desperately needed to trade them. Those trades were the equivalent of our recent trades that sent out Maggette, Crawford and Jackson, except we were on the receiving end.
You need a top NBA talent before you start talking about the playoffs, really. We had that in Baron. Monta isn’t that. He’s an undersized 2 guard who is a limited offensive player and a total defensive liability. We might have that in Curry. We’ll see. I think he could become very good. Randolph could become that, also, but that seems unlikely.
Pro-Skub for life
by Reverend_Randy on Jun 23, 2010 3:43 PM PDT up reply actions
Can you picture Azubuike guarding the likes the Carmelo Anthony, LeBron James, Danny Granger.. even Maggette or Stephen Jackson efficiently?
Also- let’s turn this around.
Could Maggette guard any of those guys? Absolutely not. As far as wing defenders, I’d guess that Buike is our least terrible defender, much better than Maggette.
Pro-Skub for life
by Reverend_Randy on Jun 23, 2010 3:40 PM PDT up reply actions
LOL That is exactly what is wrong with most Warrior fans...
They are too darn soft. “Im willing to have a couple more bad years” LOL is this a joke? The only thing you can say to defend this trade is that instead of being 12th in the conference (if that) we can shoot for being last and going for that #1 pick..but still wouldnt get it.
Larry Riley with another brilliant trade. Crawford for Law and Claxton. Jackson for Bell and Vlad. Maggette for Bell and Gadzuric? ha ha ha ha What a joke this franchise is.
“Oh my god we got cap room now though”. Spare me with that crap. Warriors will never attract a big enough name that will make a difference. The only thing this cap room means is that they can hand out another maggette type deal next year. Whoop-ti-do!
by CSalMJS on Jun 23, 2010 9:31 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Thank you.
I’m glad we have intelligent people here that can grasp the concept of a fire sale.
'Like' my band. I mean, it'd be awesome if you did that.
Remember all the dumb financial deals we either didn’t make or got out of when we’re resigning Curry, when we’re resigning Wright/Randolph (if one or both of them develop), when we can keep useful guys like Biedrins around, and whatever other useful pieces we have in the future. Bad contracts to players that aren’t big time impact players, guys like Dunleavy, Dampier, Maggette, etc are a good way to not be compettiive. That we make an effort to get out of those contracts is not a bad thing.
by Missing Barry on Jun 23, 2010 9:42 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Thanks again Barry for some level headed thinking.
by Only In Fairfax on Jun 23, 2010 12:25 PM PDT up reply actions
I’m not going to lie, this is almost exactly what I’ve been hoping for. Realistically, there probably wasn’t much we could do this offseason – Biedrins and Wright are going to be at their absolute lowest trade value, Randolph’s trade value hasn’t peaked but he’s a piece we probably want to keep around, we’re keeping Curry, it’s doubtful we can get much for Monta, and we need to dump Maggs for anything we can to get out of his contract. So….there aren’t many moves out there. We dumped Maggs. That’s one success. Next up – the draft, hope Cousins/Johnson falls to us, but that’s out of our control, if they do, we’ve had a great offseason, if they don’t….well, grab the best player available and move on. We’ve got youth, we’ve got some talent, we’re moving in the right direction, we don’t really have many better options…..so yeah, getting rid of Maggs and sticking with the guys we have hoping they develop has always seemed like the best realistic option to me. I’m happy with our offseason thus far. I’m fairly happy with our combination of youth/talent. Oh, and I forgot confirmation that Cohan is selling! What’s better than that?! We’re headed in the right direction, I don’t think there’s much more we can ask for.
by Missing Barry on Jun 23, 2010 12:57 PM PDT up reply actions
agree 100 percent
we might go somewhere if we ever made basketball related moves…
OWENS! OWENS! OWENS! OWENS!
- Joe Starkey
by 9ersDubsGiantSharks on Jun 23, 2010 12:05 PM PDT up reply actions
More cap room comes only after C. Bell and Gadzuric contracts expire in 1 year meaning...
GS Warriors front office will market “wait until the 2011/2012 free agent market!! We got a shot at superstars then” More waiting…
I make love to pressure - Stephen Jackson
They tried to put me in a BOX - Stephon Marbury
You have to make trades like that
we could not have gotten Maggette’s contract off the books this year without taking back an equivalent salary. That is, unless a team with capspace wanted him, but why would they?
Pro-Skub for life
by Reverend_Randy on Jun 23, 2010 3:45 PM PDT up reply actions
let’s look at those three trades you mentioned from the positive angles that show they are NOT jokes and were actually solid business moves for the team. First up, Crawford. Crawford is a great scorer and great guy off the bench (given the year he just had). Problem was he was on a team with us at the time that had a log jam at his position where he was the default best player and a starter (which he is a bench guy) and aside from his 50 point game was spotty performance wise at best. Jackson became a black hole that you had to move for his negative effect on the locker room and the ridiculous contract he should have never recieved. to get anyone to take on that contract let alone get anyone in return that could be remotely useable is a good return. Magette being traded for anybody and getting rid of his contract was a joke? please. there were maybe a total of 2 warriors fans that didn’t complain constantly about him being on the team and how we could never trade him because of his contract. We got a backup center that could be remotely serviceable and another guy we could essentially dump. For a team that has been injury plagued and with a need of change in the front office, that’s not bad by any stretch of the imagination. the big “jokes” were the pulling of the baron contract, and trading j-rich for a draft pick (and then never using that extra money we recieved towards anything and letting it expire).
by dannyschmanny on Jun 24, 2010 11:24 AM PDT up reply actions
In addition to that, Crawford really isn’t a great scorer. He likes to shoot, but he’s not very efficient at scoring….
by Missing Barry on Jun 24, 2010 12:35 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm all in, dude. Just let me get my tissues.

'Like' my band. I mean, it'd be awesome if you did that.
Im going to laugh when Cousins fall's to us..we draft him....
and then he refuses to walk on stage and put the Warrior hat on. LOL Im not joking..Im laughing just thinking about it. And if you think about it he would have a point.
I like the LAKERS but I agree on everything
What’s not to like about the lakers? They are exactly what you want this team to be. They are winners who know how to build a team. If you’d stop hating them and learn from them you’d see the solution to the Warriors problems.
Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Jun 23, 2010 10:54 AM PDT reply actions
Why do we need to like them?
You don’t make any sense WE the fans aren’t building the team the front office is. The front office should emulate the Lakers. Why do we as fans need to like the Lakers. What you are describing is bandwagoning and trying to justify it and I strongly disagree. Just because a team is “good” you shouldn’t like them.
What’s not to like about the lakers?
That part of the appeal of a Lakers game is the Hollywood aspect, rather than basketball? That Kobe Bryant is on the Lakers? Sasha Vujacic. Phil Jackson. Sasha Vujacic. Morrison. Did I mention they have Sasha Vujacic? That they represent LA. That a large portion of their fanbase are Angels or Dodgers fans. I can think of lots of things not to like about the Lakers.
by Missing Barry on Jun 23, 2010 11:59 AM PDT up reply actions
I can think of lots of things not to like about the Lakers?
Think positive. They are almost always in the playoffs, they can out rebound the Boston Celtics, they don’t think 3 Dleague small forwards is a “logjam”, they don’t have to resort to smallball 24-7, and they can say “queensbridge” when the chips are on the line.
Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Jun 23, 2010 12:40 PM PDT up reply actions
Dont even let me get started on the Lakers
Pulling off some bogus trade for Gasol-Kwame Brown swap seems very suspect almost as if the Grizzlies were the Lakers dog. Lastly, game 7 the free throw disparity, shooting 20 MORE free throw attempts, than the Celtics even when they were without a starter and getting pounded on the board and still the Lakers win by 4 or 5. It all seems suspect and reminds of the crucial game 7 against the Kings when the Lakers shot ridiculous amount of free throws in the 4th qtr.
I want my team to win without the overwhelming help of foul calls and trades that make no sense for one team.
Winning championships is done a lot easier when you have the best player in the league in Kobe and arguable the best low post player in Gasol.
I make love to pressure - Stephen Jackson
They tried to put me in a BOX - Stephon Marbury
Winning championships is done a lot easier when you have the best player in the league in Kobe
Ha, yes, the best player in the league does make it easy to win championships, the only thing is, Lebron has yet to win one…
by Missing Barry on Jun 23, 2010 1:47 PM PDT up reply actions
He might get one if he pairs with a superstar this coming season. Even Kobe type players need Gasol type players
I make love to pressure - Stephen Jackson
They tried to put me in a BOX - Stephon Marbury
Definitely, though while Kobe type players might need Gasol types….Lebron has gotten pretty close on his own…..
Basically, I’m just ripping on Kobe because he’s overrated.
by Missing Barry on Jun 23, 2010 2:09 PM PDT up reply actions
Kobe isn't the best player in the league
the best player in the league can’t consistenly play poorly in the finals, especially if he doesn’t just kill it in the regular season.
Pro-Skub for life
by Reverend_Randy on Jun 23, 2010 4:11 PM PDT up reply actions
r u kidding??
Kobe or Lebron are the best players in the league. Kobe’s poor shooting during the finals was cause the tough Boston Celtic defense was focused on him. And game 7 had such high implications and was the biggest stage thus far. Anybody else would most likely have done worse.
I make love to pressure - Stephen Jackson
They tried to put me in a BOX - Stephon Marbury
Are you kidding?
Kobe isn’t top 5. He’s so overrated.
It doesn’t matter how other people do. If he’s the best player in the league, he shouldn’t play like crap in the finals. I think Wade, LeBron would have played better in that situation. Both of them also killed it during the regular season.
Kobe sucks in the finals just about every year.
Pro-Skub for life
by Reverend_Randy on Jun 23, 2010 5:38 PM PDT up reply actions
Lebron is hands down the best player in the league. Nobody is in his class. Kobe…..eh, he’s good, but there are other better players out there. The biggest thing with Kobe is he just takes a lot of shots. He seems to get a lot of credit for doing that, even though it doesn’t help his team as much as people would have you believe.
by Missing Barry on Jun 23, 2010 8:10 PM PDT up reply actions
shooting 20 MORE free throw attempts, than the Celtics even when they were without a starter and getting pounded on the board and still the Lakers win by 4 or 5
A lot of that was because the Celtics got into foul trouble early in the fourth quarter. Plus on top of that they were intentionally fouling at the end. There was nothing suspect about it.
Please note the 11 next to my name. All others are frauds.
by wallywagon11 on Jun 23, 2010 1:52 PM PDT up reply actions
Yah I understand the late game fouling because thats what teams do to try a comeback.
But the early 4th qtr fouls called against the Celtics seems suspect especially during the biggest 4th qtr of the season
I make love to pressure - Stephen Jackson
They tried to put me in a BOX - Stephon Marbury
Not even close to suspect
I am sure there was a bad call or two but I don’t recall anything that showed bias. I can’t stand the Lakers but let’s not start going down Conspiracy Road just because one team is insufferable.
Please note the 11 next to my name. All others are frauds.
by wallywagon11 on Jun 23, 2010 2:22 PM PDT up reply actions
I actually thought Game 7 was a very, very well-reffed game.
by Missing Barry on Jun 23, 2010 2:30 PM PDT up reply actions
Game 7 was a very, very well-reffed game.
YEah, compared to the rest of the series. Most of it was horribly officiated.
[Info on Randolph] Would have been valuable at this time... But our management failed.
by LarryLegendofOracle on Jun 23, 2010 2:32 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah I only watched the second half
But I was on the StR game thread for it and was very aware of people complaining about the calls while I was watching. Reading people complain about it at the time was very very frustrating for me.
Please note the 11 next to my name. All others are frauds.
by wallywagon11 on Jun 23, 2010 2:49 PM PDT up reply actions
They had a right to complain about it.
Some of the games in that series were so tightly officiated. 74 whistles in a game is not normal. Especially when the Lakers would get 15+ more calls every game..
[Info on Randolph] Would have been valuable at this time... But our management failed.
by LarryLegendofOracle on Jun 23, 2010 2:53 PM PDT up reply actions
In game 7 they really let them play. It was very well officiated. What people don’t seem to understand is that it’s just the nature of basketball that there are going to be bad calls and missed calls. A lot happens in basketball on every possession, and a lot of the rules are very gray. Looking at a play 3 times in slow mo isn’t even remotely similar to what the ref sees in real time from the one vantage point he has, and any sort of movement/contact you see is almost impossible to gauge how much it actually affected the play. It seems to me that people see all this analysis, all these replays, and expect the refs to get it right every time. That’s not even remotely possible. A good, consistent game where the refs don’t take over the game is what people should expect. That’s exactly what we got in game 7. It was a very well reffed game.
by Missing Barry on Jun 23, 2010 8:13 PM PDT up reply actions
I'll take it one step further
I am not sure how “grey” these rules are. I think we the public have a hard time understanding the rules.
For example, I didn’t realize until this year that a half court violation was when the ball went over the half court line. I would complain when I saw a player, who was dribbing the ball, had his foot go back over the line but that doesn’t matter.
Also when someone receives an entry pass the defender is required to give the player room to land so you can’t just stand right in his landing area and expect to get a charge called … unless the ref screwed up.
Please note the 11 next to my name. All others are frauds.
by wallywagon11 on Jun 23, 2010 8:24 PM PDT up reply actions
Ha, your example is more perfect than you realize. It’s not actually the ball that has to go over the line. Both feet AND the ball have to all land in the front court for a player to be considered in the front court. I see backcourts happen all the time that refs let go, though – it’s kind of like travelling rules, apparently the refs have just gotten lenient on certain things, but basically if you’re in the front court, and receive the ball in the air, and land in the backcourt (like on an inbound pass from midcourt, for instance), it’s a backcourt violation (or if you start in the backcourt and receive a pass in the air from the frontcourt, landing in the frontcourt). It’s not an infrequent thing at all….they’ve just decided to stop calling that closely. If refs called everything by the book, you’d be surprised by the number of violations that would happen…..
by Missing Barry on Jun 23, 2010 8:36 PM PDT up reply actions
LOL
I am so smrt. S-M-R-T
Please note the 11 next to my name. All others are frauds.
by wallywagon11 on Jun 23, 2010 8:39 PM PDT up reply actions
If you’d stop hating them and learn from them you’d see the solution to the Warriors problems.
No. Sorry but nobody needs to emulate the Lakers. I think we can figure it out without having to praise the damn Lakers. Get a coach and a front office with a plan, stick to it, draft sign and trade for talented players who know how to follow it. With a little luck and a lot of hard work you got yourself a good rebounding team that can put up points and create some chaos on the defensive end while even being able to gut out a win when they had no business winning. This stuff isn’t exacting like trying to break the damn DaVinci Code. Everyone knows what to do, it’s just executing it that is difficult. So unless the Warriors luck into a Chris Bosh for Turiaf and draft picks trade, they really don’t need to up and read up on the Lakers.
The Lakers were able to do it there way and nobody is going to duplicate them. As far as I’m concerned, the Lakers can kiss my hairy white ass.
Please note the 11 next to my name. All others are frauds.
by wallywagon11 on Jun 23, 2010 2:03 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
4) driving n pulling up for the jump shot,
I have to disagree with this. I’d rather have him taking a forced 3 than settling for a long 2.
Also- we turned on Ellis because
1) he can’t play PG
2) he can’t guard 2s with any consistency
3) Stephen Curry is better
We have to pick one of them. They are not a long term solution.
Pro-Skub for life

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