RUMOR: Golden State Warriors could trade Dan Gadzuric and Andris Biedrins to Denver Nuggets for Kenyon Martin
From DraftExpress: Also heard that GS has a trade offer on the table to move Gadzuric and Biedrins to Denver for Kenyon Martin. Can't be done till August 22nd.
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So they're definitely gunning on drafting a big if this happens...
but what if Johnson falls to 6? (on that off chance…)
well, here’s hoping for Cuz!
Yeah
The Warriors are going to be doing a lot of gambling. It’s do or die this offseson with all these possible salary dumps.
by Precise Films Productions on Jun 24, 2010 12:49 AM PDT up reply actions
FYI ALREADY 100+ COMMENTS ABOUT THIS...
here…(sorry I’m posting this on my cellphone so I can’t link it except this way)
http://www.goldenstateofmind.com/2010/6/23/1533656/from-draftexpress-also-heard-that#comments
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by Poor Man's Commish on Jun 23, 2010 10:28 PM PDT reply actions
Well if they want tough
Kenyon Martin is tough as they come, they need a goon in GSW, too many soft guys around for one…
by Brothaplease09 on Jun 23, 2010 10:35 PM PDT reply actions
yeah
Biedrins has a lot of skill and potential, but his softness is holding him back right now.
by Precise Films Productions on Jun 24, 2010 2:57 AM PDT up reply actions
Saw this on NBATV
According to David Aldridge, KMart is apparently injured and probably won’t even play the season, thus his insurance will pay for 80% of his ~$16mil contract a la Speedy Claxton
Love Warriors, Hate Cohan! - Sell the team! Save us Mr. Ellison!
Kenyon Martin Not Playing Next Year
This move is the biggest salary cap dump. Martin won’t even play next year and 80% of his salary will be given back to the Warriors through some insurance according to David Aldridge. Supposedly Denver is desperate for a big man.
I saw it on NBATV and wasn’t quite sure why Martin is out and why his salary will be coming back, but that’s what he said.
I think we all asked for this, and we’re getting it. Get new ownership, clean out the front office, trade everyone except Curry, morrow, AR and Turiaf and start over.
Well….here we go.
They will probably except
Wow, just wow. I just hope we keep Ammo, Monta and AR
When I get older, I will be stronger.
They’ll call me freedom, just like a Waving Flag
Think Curry goes without saying.
Unless we get offered LeBron, Wade or CP3. Then you’d have to consider.
"I hate to recommend drugs, alcohol, violence or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me." - Hunter S. Thompson.
Forgot about him lol
Curry too
When I get older, I will be stronger.
They’ll call me freedom, just like a Waving Flag
trade everyone except Curry, morrow, AR and Turiaf and start over.
Why on earth are you in favor of trading Biedrins but not in favor of trading Turiaf?
Biedrins has a role to play on a good team. Turiaf doesn’t.
Biedrins salary is reasonable, assuming he gets healthy.
because Turiaf is down right a better player than Andris with a cheaper contract
by Brothaplease09 on Jun 23, 2010 11:25 PM PDT up reply actions
Wow. I mean, I like Turiaf but ... wow.
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by wallywagon11 on Jun 24, 2010 12:10 AM PDT up reply actions
Weird
You are trading him at the zenith of his value. More importantly, I would think it would be more worthwhile to move Ellis before Biedrins (if you are going to decide to do a full on fire sale)
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by wallywagon11 on Jun 24, 2010 12:14 AM PDT up reply actions
For me if I am general manager I wait for them to play
Both Monta and Beans are valued at an all time low. I think you wait for them to play with the full team before you trade. You wait to see if they can play well before you trade especially with Monta and Beans. Beans could still be a double double guy with great defense. Monta could still be that unstoppable combo guard who is efficient.
Fuck the Lakers...Oh sorry the Fakers
I don't see how Ellis ups his value short of making the Warriors a playoff team.
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by wallywagon11 on Jun 24, 2010 12:18 AM PDT up reply actions
Actually take that back
one other way would be near the trade deadline if a team really needs a scoring guard for a playoff push
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by wallywagon11 on Jun 24, 2010 12:19 AM PDT up reply actions
We'll right now people think Ellis is a black hole
Low efficiency player, terrible defender, doesn’t pass. etc. I think Monta can prove the doubters wrong. Right now Beans is at an all time low also. He had his worst season. He had no confidence, couldn’t score and was afraid to go to free throw line. He was worthless. He can still be a good player I know he can. 2 years ago he was awesome for us. Nelly took his confidence away and made him doubt himself. We need to get rid of Nelly before we make anymore moves. Nelson is holding a lot of guys back.
Fuck the Lakers...Oh sorry the Fakers
Biedrins was 2 years younger back then, in 2 years he must have become more developed and stronger
I am afraid that if he goes to Denver we will be shooting ourselves in the foot. In Denver Beans can be a 15 and 12 guy. With a great coach and a squad with strong character. Beans will have confidence especially with Chauncey Billups as point guard.
Fuck the Lakers...Oh sorry the Fakers
Is Ellis really suffering from a lack of confidence though?
I just have a hard time buying him being that great of a player. I get the fear with Biedrins (I wouldn’t bet on 15 and 12 but when healthy he was extremely consistent) but I just don’t see Ellis being viewed as anything short of questionable in terms of value in this league. Heck what happens if he has another blow up with the organization? If that happens again I would think the rest of the league would be circling around like sharks.
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by wallywagon11 on Jun 24, 2010 12:32 AM PDT up reply actions
no confidence is not the issue for Monta
The Issue IMO last year was Monta was playing huge minutes, and we were playing with 6 or 7 guys. Another issue is we had no BIGS to rebound or defend, we had guards and forwards injured so Monta had to guard sfs. Monta was put in a horrible situation. If he is ONLY playing at the 1 and 2 for 30-35 minutes with a healthy team, Monta can still be that ultra productive unstoppable combo guard
Fuck the Lakers...Oh sorry the Fakers
I think that is wishful thinking. Monta was a ball hog, lacked court vision and is a bad ball handler. His bad play was his fault. I think he can be much better than last season, but that’s not saying much. Last season was awful. Monta was the least efficient scorer on the team. That shows low b-ball IQ, in my mind.
Go Andris's free throw shooting!
Agree
I remember the time when Monta was out there trying to do everything by himself. He was putting up monster numbers and also giving up monster turnovers. “He’s the only good player we have! Look at how many points he’s scoring and all the minutes that he’s playing, it’s not his fault we’re losing,” everybody was crying.
Then we put the ball in the hands of a real PG (Steph Curry) and the rest is history. Monta’s limitations are still the same and they’re not going to change magically over time. Maybe if Magic Johnson could find the fountain of youth, we could sign him and have him play next to Monta Ellis, then Monta’s weaknesses would be a little bit more manageable.
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Turiaf also has stone hands, has a completely gimpy knee, and passes the ball when he is about two feet away from the basket
by randolphforpresident on Jun 24, 2010 1:05 PM PDT up reply actions
I only do this if Cousins is drafted by the Dubs
You can’t leave that hole at center
Fuck the Lakers...Oh sorry the Fakers
what we wiil get with martn
mediocore offense and bad attitude,But only thing is we will get some defense from him ,So not sure if its right move just my opinion.
by warriorfannumber1 on Jun 23, 2010 11:05 PM PDT reply actions
I just posted this in another fanshot,
but the Hornets said that they weren’t opposed to trading CP3. Can the Warriors pry him away? Send some young talent, expiring contracts, and a pick (maybe draft for them this year) to grab him and a bad contract (Okafor/Posey).
AR+Vlad+Gadzurix+Biedrins/Monta+Future pick of some sort, or who we draft tomorrow for CP3 and Okafor. Salaries work. If you replace Okafor with Posey, you take of Gadzuric and throw in Bell.
why?
why trade the house for cp3 when our best player (Curry in case anyone had any doubts) plays the same position?
by JimBarnett2KevinGarnett on Jun 23, 2010 11:56 PM PDT up reply actions
Even so
why would you have two point guards? Even if you moved Curry to the 2, you still have a similar situation to the one we had this year w/Curry and Monta (2 short, ball dominating guards who are only average on D)?
"I hate to recommend drugs, alcohol, violence or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me." - Hunter S. Thompson.
So you guys are telling me you'd rather stick with Monta and Curry
over a possible CP3 and Curry combo? You guys do understand that the Warriors are in a position where, if they can grab a top 5 talent, it doesn’t matter what position he plays, they HAVE to grab him. We’re in no position to say no to great talent for any reason.
And what makes you think we have a shot in hell at CP3?`
Especially with management looking to dump salary rather than add to it?
"I hate to recommend drugs, alcohol, violence or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me." - Hunter S. Thompson.
I'm saying that if NO would do that trade, there's no way in hell GSW is in a position to say no.
Keyword = IF. You guys are saying you wouldn’t do it. Thank God you don’t make decisions for the front office.
GivemeAbreak
This is too random of a trade idea for the one position that everyone pretty much agrees is untouchable (pg/curry). As long as we are going to think about packaging our team for random trades, we might as well be thinking about a trade to get one or two positions we actually need.
by WestCoastWarrior on Jun 24, 2010 8:46 AM PDT up reply actions
What I'm saying,
is that the Warriors are in no position to say no to great talent. If some sort of trade does happen for CP3, who CARES if Curry’s on the team. They need talent, and they need a lot of it. CP3 adds talent.
The Hornets reportedly turned down the third overall pick and Devin Harris for Chris Paul. That leads me to believe we basically have no chance unless we totally rip ourselves off.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Jun 24, 2010 9:56 AM PDT up reply actions
Yeah my trade is really just wishful thinking.
I’m just saying that if something like that were to happen, the Warriors are in no position to say no to adding great talent. We’re not good enough for that. I don’t care that we have Steph, play them together.
Well, if the new ownership is willing to spend money ...
NO is going to want a pick, a young player they can sell to their fan base, and cap room. THey would almost certainly want to include Okafor in the deal.
We send them Monta, Gadzurik and Beidrins – gets it done, salarywise, although they probably don’t want to take on both Monta’s and Beidrins contracts (they don’t end up with any cap room). Monta, Gadz, Radman – if not we throw in Wright. I think also gets it done salarywise. (Of course they’d much rather have Beidrins, but if they’re even considering this then they must be desperate to shed salary.)
They get a young player they can sell to their crowd as “a potential all-star” and shed $14m in salary after the first year and a heck of a lot of long-term money.
Is it a good trade from their basketball perspective? Hell no. But one has to assume that they’re willing to make a bad trade to shed salary, or Paul’s name wouldn’t be being floated around there.
No way it happens until the sale is through, which complicates things. But if they’re shopping Paul, we have to make a play for him.
No, it wouldn't be the same situation as Monta and Curry playing together.
First, CP3 can defend either guard spot. He’s short but not slight.
Second, Curry and CP3 both like the ball in their hands, but they also both do a great job creating for other players.
THe problem we had was that Monta wanted the ball in his hands and he doesn’t do a good job creating for other players.
Having two unselfish guards who can both handle the ball is a GOOD thing. It is a recipe for beautiful, winning basketball. Run them out there with Randolph and Beans to finish, Morrow to spot up … Buike to mix it up. Yes, that team has defensive issues, particularly against bigs, but we’ll run a lot of people out of the gym.
We can run any team in the NBA out of the gym right now.
How does that help us?
Not saying I wouldn’t want him on the Warriors (believe me, I would), but I just don’t see how it fits.
And no, CP3 can’t defend both guard positions. He’s the best passing lane guy in the NBA, but he has problems defending man-to-man against bigger, stronger PGs. Nor is he the longest guy around.
"I hate to recommend drugs, alcohol, violence or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me." - Hunter S. Thompson.
No, we can't run any team in the NBA out of the gym right now.
Offensively, this year, our guards as a group were not very good, mostly because of Monta. Nor is Monta particularly a good decision maker with the ball in his hands.
You’d be replacing him with someone who is a a) more effecient scorer but still scores at a very high volume b) a much better passer c) who is loved by his teammates.
nakes no sense...
trade all the players u r requesting to upgrade a position we are already sitting pretty in so you can upgrade curry to cp3…what will the team look like after ur trade?
Pg Cp3
sg Monta Curry?
sf Morrow
pf Wright
C Turiaf
6th man Curry
no thnx
by JimBarnett2KevinGarnett on Jun 24, 2010 12:37 AM PDT up reply actions
not to mention...
the hornets are desperate for cap space and to shed long term contracts hence the cp3 rumors…no way they trade cp3 to take on a contract like biedrins/monta
by JimBarnett2KevinGarnett on Jun 24, 2010 12:41 AM PDT up reply actions
a more realistic trade if you are going all-in for cp3...
Curry + Randolph + Vlad + Gadzuric + whoever we draft or Wright for cp3/Okafor…but I wouldn’t do it.
by JimBarnett2KevinGarnett on Jun 24, 2010 12:44 AM PDT up reply actions
That doesn't get us there, salarywise.
It’s almost impossible for us to send enough salary back without including Monta or Beans. Then you use expirings to round out the rest of the deal in the most palatible way possible for them.
i dont understand...
if they really wanted to do this, why wait for 2 months until gadzuric can be traded again when they can just trade radman in his place right now? They are both 7 mil expirings. It can’t be because Denver thinks Gad has more talent can it?
by JimBarnett2KevinGarnett on Jun 23, 2010 11:55 PM PDT reply actions
In any deal I would rather trade Vlad personally I don't wanna see him guarding either forward positions
Fuck the Lakers...Oh sorry the Fakers
I just realised.
I’ve been spending so much time between pre-draft talk and observing our change in Prime Minister here that I’d totally forgotten I have an exam tomorrow afternoon.
Totally off topic, but I’m screwed.
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btw
I really think we will see an imporvement in productivity this year for all the guys who did not get a chance to play with Curry as the true pg last year. (i.e AR, Vlad, Wright, maybe Beans) I think he’s that good of a pg.
by WestCoastWarrior on Jun 24, 2010 8:50 AM PDT reply actions
Funny, I just read an article on yahoo sports where they went team by team for the first round and had a section about the team’s needs, and what may be available at their pick. The first thing the dude listed for Warrior needs was “desperate need for a true point gaurd”. He obviously didn’t watch a single game of the second half once Curry was locked in as the official point gaurd of the team. That’s the one position we for sure have no questions at. (the 2 is potentially fine, but there is so much up in the air rumor wise if we keep monta or any of the other guys…but i don’t expect the 1 and 2 to be any sort of question. it’s mainly the 5 and 3 assuming wright and randolph are healthy.) i like beans and hopefully he returns to form healthy and back to his double double machine self. Would still want to draft a big however and try to aquire a big 3 via trade or UFA.
Wow, sounds horrible
The trade would be about as bad as it gets.
When Martin plays, he’s useless. In the playoffs versus Utah, he had by far the worst +/- of any player in that series. I cannot possibly imagine what the W’s would be thinking from a basketball standpoint from this deal. They need defense, rebounding, and more defense. Martin does not provide this.
If this is a straight salary dump, I might hate it even more.
Predictions
-This trade DOES go down
-Sacramento takes Monroe and we end up taking Udoh
-Stephen Curry will play 2 Summer League games.
-Monta Ellis injures himself before training camp even starts.
-The whole team goes down with him and ends up being 2 man show next year.
This team will never be “great” until Cohan and Rowell is officially kicked out,like to the other side of the curb.
by Cpt. Jack in the Box on Jun 24, 2010 11:47 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
its a gamble
Dubz would definitely lose solid depth at this deal and even lose bigger if kenyon doesnt stay healthy and consistent . but if he does, and the warriors add a big man with some experience and skill (O’bryants and Wrights of the world need not apply). it may pan out. but overall i dont like this deal.
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