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by dso on Jun 24, 2010 8:10 AM PDT
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D-Day is fast approaching and what better way to show conviction in your beliefs than to post your predictions for GSOM posterity. No more wishy-washy, I-think-but-don't-quote-me waffling. It's balls to the wall time, time to establish the foundation for countless "I told you so's" in the near and glorious future. So without further ado, here are the rules:
- Predict anything regarding the 2010 NBA draft. This can include, but is not restricted to, posting your mock draft, declaring team X acquiring player Y, forecasting movement in draft order, prognosticating future busts/steals, and so on.
- Be bold with your prediction. Yes, we know you're not the most qualified source. No one here is. We don't need caveats, no disclaimers... in other words, no weak stuff. Just pure, unadulterated predictions.
No waffling.
And that's pretty much it. Happy prognosticating!
This FanPost is a submission from a member of the mighty Golden State of Mind community. While we're all here to throw up that W, these words do not necessarily reflect the views of the GSoM Crew. Still, chances are the preceding post is Unstoppable Baby!
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I'll start it off
Cousins goes number 2 to the Sixers, Turner to the Timberwolves~~~
Warriors draft ALDRICH. YEAH!
Udoh is going to be a huge bust. So is Paul George.
Randolph is a garbage-point collector and Wright is probably never going to be an NBA starter, not JONeal at all.
LarryLegendofOracle
Either Aldrich, Aminu, or Henry. Hopefully Henry because if he develops quick, like I’m sure he will, we won’t need Monta and we will be the deadliest shooting team in the league by far (Curry, Morrow, Williams, and Henry). The other 2 guys fill immediate needs, but will we look back and wish we drafted “X”? Yes we will.
by wileyschmitt on Jun 24, 2010 2:44 PM PDT up reply actions
> Udoh is going to be a huge bust. So is Paul George.
Boy oh boy oh boy…
by ILoveWarriorsGirls on Jun 26, 2010 9:14 PM PDT up reply actions
yeah if i could take it back i would
i still think george is going to be a bust but i think udoh is going to be ROY! but… no waffling =(. O well.
Randolph is a garbage-point collector and Wright is probably never going to be an NBA starter, not JONeal at all.
LarryLegendofOracle
Those waffles look pretty darn good though bro....
In a basically 5 player draft how fitting is it that we pick 6th. I predict we pick Udoh or some scrub thats a project. Wether we trade Biedrins/Ellis or not..we go into next year hoping BW and AR have monster breakout years in hopes of getting more wins then last season. We will still play No D and we will again keep the cellar of the league warm.
haha yeah they do
but everyone knows waffles are for the weak, while pancakes are for lumberjacks. I really really really hope we don’t draft Udoh. And as for us playing No D and being cellar-dwellers… duh. That’s not even prediction worthy, that’s the statistical norm =(
Randolph is a garbage-point collector and Wright is probably never going to be an NBA starter, not JONeal at all.
LarryLegendofOracle
Im afraid you are right
We have to hope Sac does us a favor and drafts someone other than Cousins. If Cousins is there at 6 we have to draft him. But alas that wont happen. Most likely Im going to be on GSoM’s draft chat and Im going to laugh my a** off when Warriors draft Aldrich or some trash and 58 comments appear at the same time and they read “WTF”. Ha ha ha ha.
To be honest
I like Aldrich more than Udoh. I would really be shocked if they really think Udoh is the guy to get after Cousins is gone.
Please note the 11 next to my name. All others are frauds.
by wallywagon11 on Jun 24, 2010 8:47 AM PDT up reply actions
Bold Prediction
Favors falls to #6. He’s the player most likely to be a bust. Teams will pass on him.
Confident Marco Belinelli supporter
i kinda agree with this
i don’t trust 19 year old big men. Too many cases like marvin williams, brandan wright, randolph… one has to wonder the alternative scenario that they’re leaving early because they have something to hide and can get GMs to bite strictly on the potential they represent. Out of the two 19 year old big men in Favors and Cousins, I think Favors is more likely to be a bust just cuz he’s so raw and his athletic ability is, according to Minnesota (dubious source), overrated.
Randolph is a garbage-point collector and Wright is probably never going to be an NBA starter, not JONeal at all.
LarryLegendofOracle
Granted, a lot of big men get drafted early because teams don’t want to be the team that passes on the potential. Amare Stoudemire is a good example of a player like Favors falling.
Confident Marco Belinelli supporter
by Doctor Kajita on Jun 24, 2010 9:26 AM PDT up reply actions
Actually, on average, entering the NBA earlier is a good thing.
by Missing Barry on Jun 24, 2010 9:30 AM PDT up reply actions
Wishful thinking
1. WAS – Wall – No brainer
2. PHI – Turner – I guess
3. NJ – Favors – Johnson is a smokescreen
4. MIN – Cousins – Johnson is a smokescreen
5. SAC – Monroe – Please, God, please!
6. GSW – Johnson – Nice!
7. DET – Davis
8. LAC – Aminu
9. UTA – Udoh
10. IND – Heyward
Monta gets traded for OJ and Thabeet
Knicks fans alternate between booing every pick and LBJ chants.
why would the warriors trade monta for oj and thabeet if they already turned down that offer before?
it's just a game.
www.bayareascores.com
I’ve been against the Monta for OJ trade based on talent (and I know that’s debatable). But given the recent Maggette trade (salary dump) and rumors that the Warriors are in a firesale, which I support, revisiting this trade based purely on financial reasons makes a lot of sense. You take on a couple players on their rookie contracts and shed a remaining 4/year 44M contract.
Confident Marco Belinelli supporter
by Doctor Kajita on Jun 24, 2010 9:07 AM PDT up reply actions
Bingo
I’m not necessarily for or against the trade, but if Cohan is indeed in fire sale mode (which I can totally believe in) I think he’s inclined to take trades that bring talent back and shed long term salary. I know we turned it down before, but if things get desperate, desperate moves happen.
Gary St. Jean and Riley were very informative on CSN last night
As St. jean said "Sacto will pick Monroe due to their Pete Carill philosophy of passing big men and the GSW will shock the world and draft DeMarcus " Don’t call me JaMarcus" COUSINS!
Set a record by getting banned for the 8th time!
After rehab I saw the light and promise to be kinder and gentler!
Probation is a very slippery slope!
Yeah, saw that. Makes you wonder.
Confident Marco Belinelli supporter
by Doctor Kajita on Jun 24, 2010 9:11 AM PDT up reply actions
You believe a GM a night before the draft?
"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."
It wasn’t Riley saying it, it was St. Jean. St. Jean use to work with Petrie so he was commenting on how Petrie never discloses anything to anyone and that he has a history of adding passing, high-post big-men.
Confident Marco Belinelli supporter
by Doctor Kajita on Jun 24, 2010 3:15 PM PDT up reply actions
St. jean is not a GM. He was and yes hdue to his experience I
tend to beleive what he says over say, you?
Set a record by getting banned for the 8th time!
After rehab I saw the light and promise to be kinder and gentler!
Probation is a very slippery slope!
by StinkyFingers on Jun 24, 2010 3:24 PM PDT up reply actions
Houston becomes our newest best friend
The Warriors trade the #6 for the # 14 and one of the Houston small forwards. The Warriors thus fill two positions as Cole Aldrich or Patrick Patterson is still on the board.
NEVER trade with Morey. He’ll put some Jedi Mind trick on Riley trading Curry and AR for their back up point guard.
by SuperStarAR on Jun 24, 2010 10:20 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Agree with your previous post reasoning ... Aminu @ 3 makes the W's bigger
Hope you are right and the W’s pick Aminu (better defense / rebounding / W’s already have shooters and young 4’s w/ potential). Draft predictions, with a slight “twist” …
1. Wizards > J.Wall
2. 76ers > E.Turner
3. Nets > D.Favors
4. Wolves > W.Johnson
5. Kings > D.Cousins
6. Pistons (trade w/ W’s) > G.Monroe
7. W’s (trade w/ Pistons) > A.Aminu + one-time option to exchange 1st round draft positions w/ Pistons (top 3 protected; option duration for the next 3 yrs the Pistons have any 1st round pick)
8. Clippers > P.George
9. Jazz > G.Hayward
10. Pacers > L.Babbitt
The “twist”, as noted above, is the one-time option to exchange 1st round draft positions w/ the Pistons (top 3 protected; option must be exercised within the next 3 yrs the Pistons have any 1st round pick). Don’t know if such an option is allowed … but if allowed, I think the Pistons would give the option to ensure that they get G.Monroe … if such options are not allowed, then get a future lottery protected 1st round pick …
Well done, JJC
Alert: Someone at GSoM is actually thinking!! Sound the alarms.
I like this trade with Detroit.
If we take Aminu I'll be F***** P*****
"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."
How certain is it the Kings will take DMC at 5?
Can never be certain with Geoff Petrie. He always plays things close to the vest and he hates media leaks. Everything I’m hearing is that DeMarcus Cousins is the pick. What scares me is that I keep hearing it, everywhere. Very un-Kings like. I know there’s a faction that really likes Greg Monroe. If the Kings take Monroe, I wouldn’t be shocked.
Monta Ellis- 23 ppg 5 asst 5 rebs 2 stls
Get Back to Basketball, your Mopeding too much!
Here's a novel trade idea
Monta Ellis + 6 → Indiana
Troy Murphy (2 yrs left on contract) + 11 → Golden State
We pick up Xavier Henry at 11. Next year’s lineup:
Curry
Henry
Biedrins
Randolph
Murphy
Henry can play SG or SF, giving us more versatility. So what do you guys think? Time to welcome back Murph for a couple of seasons?
sorry, I meant Indiana's #10
Why we do it: salary dump and pick up a guy in Henry who could make us more versatile, and improve our defense. He’s also a very good shooter.
Why Indiana does it: They pick up Monroe (who they want) and get an upgrade at guard (one who could potentially play point for them).
obviously you're trying to be clever
but it wouldn’t make any sense for Phoenix to trade JR for Monta. Do you have any thoughts about the validity of the trade I proposed?
won't happen.
Troy Murphy is on Don Nelson’s permanent crap list.
ROMESdavidWOOD37 has taken over the Ongline. He's cool.
by ROMESdavidWOOD37 on Jun 24, 2010 11:03 AM PDT up reply actions
sorry, but who gives a frack?
Nellie’s not going to be around forever and neither will Murphy’s contract.
Because Murphy is arguably the worst defensive player in the league. He scores and gobbles up rebounds yet is always on the minus side of +/-. He is always on losing teams, and he has never, ever made the playoffs. Alarms should be going off in your head.
He can’t hurt you if he’s no on the court.
Confident Marco Belinelli supporter
by Doctor Kajita on Jun 24, 2010 2:30 PM PDT up reply actions
sorry
his Adj. P48 was 0.593, WP48 = 0.281 (still ranking him near the top)
Player WP48
Howard 0.376
Lee 0.275
Boozer 0.293
Gasol 0.310
Call me dumb. What the hell is a WP? I’m looking at basketball-reference, and I don’t see anything about a WP. And please explain it as how it refers to my point regarding his +/- figure.
WP48 overrates players like Troy Murphy
he’s always an outlier for stats like that. He really isn’t that good.
Pro-Skub for life
by Reverend_Randy on Jun 24, 2010 3:30 PM PDT up reply actions
There are certain kinds of players that it overrates
power forwards who rebound well and don’t play defense is the biggest. It also can underrated players, like perimeter players who don’t rebound well, but play great defense.
Knowledge is power, bro.
Pro-Skub for life
by Reverend_Randy on Jun 24, 2010 4:41 PM PDT up reply actions
No
I use it when it’s accurate. It’s not accurate when describing players like Troy Murphy. It also consistently undervalues guys like Shane Battier and Bruce Bowen.
Sounds like you have trouble reading. Is English your second or third language?
Pro-Skub for life
by Reverend_Randy on Jun 24, 2010 5:46 PM PDT up reply actions
it's still accurate
you can say it overvalues him, but he’s still one of the top guys, unless now you’re saying that offensive efficiency and rebounding are completely meaningless.
He’s certainly better (i.e. more productive) than any big man the Warriors have right now.
Not at all
When healthy, Biedrins ranks very highly by WP48, but he also at least tries on defense.
Pro-Skub for life
by Reverend_Randy on Jun 24, 2010 6:05 PM PDT up reply actions
yeah
it means that he does help on defense sometimes, whereas Troy Morhpy has 0 defense.
Pro-Skub for life
by Reverend_Randy on Jun 24, 2010 6:13 PM PDT up reply actions
it's all a moot point now
but my trade would’ve put Murphy at PF not C. Murphy would be an upgrade for the Warriors at PF. Do you disagree with that?
For the short term, you're probably right
Pro-Skub for life
by Reverend_Randy on Jun 24, 2010 6:55 PM PDT up reply actions
you may be interested to know..
if you look up defensive win shares, Troy Murphy was at 3.7 last year. That’s actually pretty decent, and quite an improvement over earlier in his career. I didn’t watch him at all this season, so I can only go by the stats. Have you seen him play in recent years? His defense may be better than you give him credit for.
Defensive Win Shares is
the worst thing I’ve ever heard of.
Pro-Skub for life
by Reverend_Randy on Jun 26, 2010 2:12 PM PDT up reply actions
I'd rather use FG% than DefWS
Pro-Skub for life
by Reverend_Randy on Jun 26, 2010 2:13 PM PDT up reply actions
It's based on defensive rating
which can be swayed heavily by a player’s teammates. Guys like Turkeyglue will look like passable defensive players next to Dwight Howard. KG will look like an average defensive player if he plays with enough defensive sieves.
The only defensive metric I’ve seen that I like is points per possessions allowed. Someone (would love to give credit) made a post about it recently. It was recommended for a while.
Pro-Skub for life
by Reverend_Randy on Jun 26, 2010 7:05 PM PDT up reply actions
Granger, Dunleavy, TJ Ford
you know, all of those amazing defensive aces
Pro-Skub for life
by Reverend_Randy on Jun 26, 2010 7:38 PM PDT up reply actions
There are certain kinds of players that it overrates
that’s the problem with trying to curve fit data to a formula, something has to give because players are more than numbers.
A smart formula(adaptive to the conditions) can do better but some folks just want to complicate matters by not trusting their brains to do that work. Funny how they find more credibility in a canned system than an active adaptable brain? Maybe they just wanna sell the system like it’s a veggiematic on late nigh tv? and there is no profit in telling people to use their eyes and their brain.
Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Jun 24, 2010 9:07 PM PDT up reply actions
Those numbers don’t do a good job evaluating his biggest weakness – defense. And it’s a big, big, big weakness of his.
by Missing Barry on Jun 24, 2010 2:38 PM PDT up reply actions
its cool. Not saying I agree with Nelson.
Just saying that’s the reason Troy Murphy will never come back to the dubz.
(maybe when nellie actually leaves the Warriors forever?)
Nellie didn’t like Murphy when he was on the team, requested that he get traded, and Nellie got what he wanted. I really liked Troy Murphy especially during the Arenas, Jrich, Murph era…but it was a very good trade for Stack Jack, Josh Powell, Al Harrington and Sarunas. So much props to Nellie and Mullin on that one. (i give Mullin more credit because he was the one that was actually able to execute the trade.)
ROMESdavidWOOD37 has taken over the Ongline. He's cool.
by ROMESdavidWOOD37 on Jun 24, 2010 2:30 PM PDT up reply actions
I heard a Monta for Brandon Roy rumor during the season...
…maybe the Blazers are that dumb?
Cool
I would take that trade if it were a possibility
by Calvin Boyo on Jun 24, 2010 11:33 AM PDT up reply actions
Wall
Turner
Johnson
Favors
Monroe(it was a Cousins smokescreen)
Warriors—→(Cant pass up Cousins but I am worried after his idiot comment yesterday)
Udoh
Aminu
by Only In Fairfax on Jun 24, 2010 10:49 AM PDT reply actions
What comment did he make?
Confident Marco Belinelli supporter
by Doctor Kajita on Jun 24, 2010 10:51 AM PDT up reply actions
He called Al Jefferson a “dominant post player.”
And he misspelled “complement.”
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on Jun 24, 2010 11:47 AM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
the latter is an unpardonable sin
Randolph is a garbage-point collector and Wright is probably never going to be an NBA starter, not JONeal at all.
LarryLegendofOracle
2 cents
Wall
Turner
Favors
Cousins
Johnson
We get Monroe
possible and hopeful...
Wall
Turner (try to trade Iguodala)
Favors
Cousins (then they trade Love or Jefferson)
Monroe
Johnson (elated)
Supposedly he said that he is the best player in the draft pic/he was the most "dominant" college player.
An increadibly stupid thing to say with the questions about him out there. Shows bad judgement for sure unless his agent put him up to that but that would not be good either.
Link
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=Ai7.6nxCcoIskrGm4WsldZm8vLYF?slug=ap-nbadraft
by Only In Fairfax on Jun 24, 2010 11:10 AM PDT reply actions
It sounds like he’s just trying to sell himself to be drafted higher (more money).
Confident Marco Belinelli supporter
by Doctor Kajita on Jun 24, 2010 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions
Not what you would a "mature" thing to say at this moment
Makes him look like he is dissing Wall/full of himself-no humility, plus dumb by not understanding the right thing to say—-sorta the verbal version of showing up at the combine at 292lbs. And I am his biggest supporter on GSoM no less.
by Only In Fairfax on Jun 24, 2010 3:45 PM PDT up reply actions
Just for kicks:
1. WAS – Demarcus Cousins – Self proclaimed best player in draft
2. PHI – Evan Turner – They already have that cute little banner ready for their website when they pick Turner. Why change anything?
3. NJ – Derrick Favors – Look at that upside…
4. MIN – Wesley Johnson – My guess is they’ve been locked into him for the past couple months.
5. SAC – Greg Monroe – They want to go big.
6. GS – John Wall – Finally, we catch a break.
… this doesn’t count as my prediction, does it?
YES IT DOES
YOU MAY NEVER CHANGE IT
Randolph is a garbage-point collector and Wright is probably never going to be an NBA starter, not JONeal at all.
LarryLegendofOracle
Cohan orders Riley to trade back a few spots for $3mil in cash, which goes directly to Cohan. We still draft Udoh.
by samuraaaaiiiiiii on Jun 24, 2010 11:32 AM PDT reply actions
Or RUN CMC.
ala the tv show Chuy Gomez used to host back in the day.
"Monta is the MAN." -Bob Fitzgerald
by WarriorForLife on Jun 24, 2010 1:52 PM PDT up reply actions
Here goes nothing:
1.) Washington Wizards — John Wall, PG/Kentucky, Freshman
2.) Philadelphia 76ers — Evan Turner, SG/Ohio State, Junior
3.) New Jersey Nets — Derrick Favors, PF/Georgia Tech, Freshman
4.) Minnesota Timberwolves — Wes Johnson, SF/Syracuse, Junior
5.) Sacramento Kings — DeMarcus Cousins, C/Kentucky, Freshman
6.) Golden State Warriors — Greg Monroe, PF/Georgetown, Sophomore
7.) Detroit Pistons — Ed Davis, PF/North Carolina, Sophomore
8.) Los Angeles Clippers — Al-Farouq Aminu, SF/Wake Forest, Sophomore
9.) Utah Jazz — Paul George, SF/Fresno State, Sophomore
10.) Indiana Pacers — Eric Bledsoe, PG/Kentucky, Freshman
The Ultimate Opportunist
by Rated-R Superstar on Jun 24, 2010 1:34 PM PDT reply actions
Rumor has it that the Pacers are close to getting Eric Maynor, so that pick would go to Oklahoma City and we can assume Bledsoe isn’t the pick.
The Ultimate Opportunist
by Rated-R Superstar on Jun 24, 2010 2:54 PM PDT up reply actions
Warriors
get Monroe. I’m really hoping for Cousins though
Golden State Warriors Fan 4 Life!!!
Please sell the team Chris Cohan
Future of the Dubs: SC30, AR4
Biedrins and Pick #6 Traded for #3 Pick from Nets
Warriors trade Biedrins and switch picks with the Nets. The Nets will be happy because they will still have a shot at Favors or Cousins and they will have added depth at center with Biedrins.
Warriors get the player that they want for the future in Wesley Johnson.
The Warriors could sign another free agent center in free agency after this trade.
by Hundredthousanddollarpluswhipmaster on Jun 24, 2010 1:46 PM PDT reply actions
they already have Lopez
why would they take on a big contract like Biedrins? If they want Favors or Cousins, they can have him at #3 without doing anything. They won’t have a shot at Favors or Cousins at #6, just like we won’t.
Warriors have nothing that the Nets need or want.
Confident Marco Belinelli supporter
by Doctor Kajita on Jun 24, 2010 2:11 PM PDT up reply actions
All I know is that if we draft Udoh, I'm going into a 1pm exam (it's 7:30 in Australia right now) off my face.
"I hate to recommend drugs, alcohol, violence or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me." - Hunter S. Thompson.
So if we get Cousins, you won’t be off your face?
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on Jun 24, 2010 2:28 PM PDT up reply actions
I'll take a stab
1. John Wall
2. Evan Turner
3. Derrick Favors
4. Minnesota trades #4 pick + Ramon Sessions (plus filler if necessary) to Detroit for #7 and Tayshaun Prince. Detroit selects DeMarcus Cousins.
5. Greg Monroe
6. Warriors select Wesley Johnson
7. Minnesota (from Detroit) selects Al-Farouq Aminu
8. Ed Davis
9. Ekpe Udoh
10. Gordon Hayward
THERE WILL BE NO TRADES...
… except for #6, Monta and AR for…… Dikembe Mutumbo’s knees.
by Elevation Sensation on Jun 24, 2010 2:40 PM PDT reply actions
Predictions,
1. Wiz – John Wall
2. 76ers – Evan Turner
3. Nets – Cousins
4. Wolves – Derrick Favors
5. Kings – Greg Monroe
6. Warriors – Wes Johnson ( anything other than him, aminu, or Monroe would be bad.)
7
Not going to post a mock.
But:
Udoh = Smoke to the Screen
Aminu = Double down on the smoke screen
Actual Targets:
Wesley Johnson and Greg Monroe (If Johnson isn’t there).
"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."
Is this a trick question?
The 6’7" guy who can rebound like a small forward and pass like a point guard and will make about $3M a year, or the 6’3" guy with stubby arms who rebounds like a point guard and passes like a small forward and makes $11M?
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on Jun 24, 2010 3:47 PM PDT up reply actions
kinda hard to answer
till we see the quality of turner’s tats and moped?
Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Jun 24, 2010 4:09 PM PDT up reply actions
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