RECAP: Golden State Warriors 2010 NBA Draft Day - Yaaaawn...
by Fantasy Junkie on Jun 24, 2010 11:39 PM PDT
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This picture is all you need to know about the Golden State Warriors 2010 NBA Draft. This is the most exciting time to be a Warriors fan! We're not going to make the playoffs for another 12 years so all we have is hope. We hope that the Warriors pull off a blockbuster trade, hope that the Warriors new rookie will lead us to the promised land (more wins than losses), and hope that we're entertained. I stopped hoping for competence from the front office a long time ago.
Everything came out as predicted with the only drama being whether the Warriors would take Big Man #1, who won't be an impact player, or Big Man #2, who won't be an impact player. Yippee. This year was quite the snooze-fest. In fact, the most exciting thing was watching to see if Jeremy Lin would get drafted (he didn't).
Where were the KG/Amare-like trade rumors? Larry Riley, at least get people talking about Monta-Mayo or Biedrins-Bosh again even if it's not going to happen!
The Warriors draft, Ekpe Udoh, a guy with little to no upside - WYSIWYG - what you see if what you get. There's no chance for Warrior fans to speculate about how he's going to be the next great big man! That's part of the fun of being a crappy team. For instance, Anthony Randolph has so much potential and is so talented that if he could just hone his game and be more disciplined he'd be an All-Star! Or how about this: Brandan Wright is going to be great if he could just stay healthy. It's the great unknown that makes it exciting. It's more interesting if there's some glimmer of hope for the guy to blow up rather than a guy who is already at his peak. Meh, nothing to talk about.
Draft Day is usually an exciting day and today had no excitement at all. Someone needs to be blamed. I blame Cohan. And Rowell. And Riley. And Stephen Jackson.
Yaaaaaaaaawn!
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Agreed.
As a Dubs fan, it was one of the worst in memory.
As an NBA fan, it wasn’t so bad, but it also wasn’t exactly memorable.
Is Don Nelson going to Hawaii forever now?
?
What about the Notorious POB and Ike Diogu
Nobody that really stood out over him...
He was selected 9th overall, when Gay, Roy, and Foye were all gone. If you look at the next 11 selections after Patrick O’ Bryant, you see multiple players that accomplished absolutely nothing in the NBA either.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_NBA_Draft
Sene, Armstrong, Simmons, Carney, Williams, Pecherov, Douby, and Balkman are all less than role players in the NBA or not even in the NBA any more. Even Redick, Sefolosha, and Brewer are nothing more than role players. None of the picks from 11-20 really seemed all that much better to me at the time. There wasn’t much to have after the 8th pick in that draft.
As for Diogu, let me take you through the same process. Diogu was also the 9th pick in the draft, and while there are definitely two players drafted in the top 20 that are legitimately good rotation players (Granger @17 and Bynum @ 10), both are players that have developed their game in the NBA. Both had sub par starts to their careers and progressively got better. Were they the players they are now when they entered the draft? Was their even evidence that they could be that player? Not really. Bynum has potential, but he was fair less known than Diogu. Diogu was arguably better in his rookie season than either of those players, so it could be that the Warriors just never helped him improve whereas the Pacers and Lakers did their jobs as franchises. Other than those two players, most of the others between 10-20 are again crap and they seemed no more promising than Diogu at the time to me anyway.
This season, we had the 6th pick, and there were a decent amount of players that I actually wanted far more than Udoh, especially Monroe. I would have certainly been more happy even with George, Aminu, or Henry too. So taking a “safe” pick for a defensive role player when this team still needs so much more just irritates me.
Is Don Nelson going to Hawaii forever now?
Good Draft
Seems like you werent very interested or happy with the draft. I loved it. I like drafting character guys so I am happy we didnt get Cousins. I am not a fan of Randolph. Never was a fan of him, or Pietrus, or all these “potential” guys with the brain the size of a pea (though I think BWright will grow into a good player). Those are all separate discussions but bottom line is we got a quality player.
I dont know much about him to be honest. But he looks strong, smart, defensive minded. Sure he’s boring and lacks a high ceiling but how about a little stability to this organization? We have enough of the exciting and what ifs… a solid shot blocker and hopefully a rebounder is all I can ask for. A good role player. I’ll take the snoozefest cause its better than drafting in the lottery every year waiting for players to develop, and shipping them off before they do… if they ever eventually develop that is…
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i loved the pick as well
we need someone who’s defensive-minded on this team, it’s about time…
If you wanted a defensive player
Why not Aminu?
Please note the 11 next to my name. All others are frauds.
by wallywagon11 on Jun 25, 2010 12:07 AM PDT up reply actions
I get that he's a nice kid but
a) it’s not like their other options were violent, lying felons
b) this isn’t a Church choir they are trying to create. Don’t get me wrong, you need guys you can depend on but it isn’t like you are trying to draft the next Model Citizen of the Year Award winner.
Please note the 11 next to my name. All others are frauds.
by wallywagon11 on Jun 25, 2010 12:17 AM PDT up reply actions
Well I never said I wanted Mother Teresa
But I’ll take a character guy.
Whos not a character guy – A Randolph, Jamarcus Russel, Demarcus Cousins
Sometimes the talent is so undeniable you have to pick someone like Cousins… but I don’t think his talent is that high.
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by BillieHoyle on Jun 25, 2010 12:30 AM PDT up reply actions
Oh trust me, I understand if you don't want Cousins
But he wasn’t available when the Warriors were picking. Sounds like you want someone who is a “character guy” and a “defensive” player. I just don’t see why Aminu wouldn’t fit the bill. He has a great deal more potential, has similar holes in his game but is a far better rebounder, and a defensive player. Heck Ed Davis could potentially be a better prospect who would fit the bill.
Please note the 11 next to my name. All others are frauds.
by wallywagon11 on Jun 25, 2010 12:35 AM PDT up reply actions
Ahh.. you answered your question when you used the word 'prospect'
You have to remember this is Nelson’s last year. He can’t use another ‘project’ if he wants some help from the pick.
You as a fan may be thinking long term, but Nelson and Riley have to make a splash NOW. I’m all for it; I too don’t need no stinkin’ ‘projects’.
Yeah but he is as good as Udoh right now
The only upside on Udoh to me is blocks and a possible ability to play 3 positions. That is about it.
Please note the 11 next to my name. All others are frauds.
by wallywagon11 on Jun 25, 2010 8:56 AM PDT up reply actions
He, under no circumstances, can play three positions.
He might not be able to play two.
by Spider Jerusalem on Jun 25, 2010 10:00 AM PDT up reply actions
yeah I don't see it either
Just read in an article that the Warriors think he could.
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by wallywagon11 on Jun 25, 2010 10:03 AM PDT up reply actions
If he develops right
he could defend 3, maybe even 4, positions.
Kinda like how Shawn Marion could defend 4 positions, but he was offensively more like a 4.
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by Reverend_Randy on Jun 25, 2010 5:54 PM PDT up reply actions
Does “Joe Smith” ring any bells?
The Warriors have already been through the “draft for character” philosophy and proved that it’s not a winning strategy.
"If God made us in his image then he must be dumb too, and a little ugly on the side."
Frank Zappa
Joe Smith was drafted because he was the most dominant player in college who declared for the draft that year. Don’t allow what he did in the pros to rewrite history. He was beast at Maryland and was younger than the other guys being considered at the top spot as well. I don’t think ‘character’ had him go over Stackhouse, Wallace, or McDyess. He could legitimately be considered the best talent of the lot.
A friend of mine who is really into college hoops said the same thing, in fact he said that Joe Smith would make everyone forget about Webber.
However I remember the FO saying that they were picking on the character issue and in the years that followed they stuck with the same philosophy.
"If God made us in his image then he must be dumb too, and a little ugly on the side."
Frank Zappa
I agree that they had their “character” phase following the Webber fiasco in Cohan’s early days, and they spouted that to no end when they took Fuller. But whatever lipservice they paid to it with Smith, I suspect that it was more a case of trying to sell the fans by saying he was a ‘character guy’ in the wake of some real bad character issues rather than it being a critical factor in the decision. The three bigs taken in the top 4 were all very similar in size. A quarter inch and 10 pounds separated all of them. Smith was a much better rebounder than Wallace, and a similarly talented scorer, and a much, much more talented on offense than McDyess, who many thought was being overrated based on a great tourney and nothing more. Smith was almost a year younger than them to boot. And that analysis still held true after their first year in the league. It’s only a shame that he appeared to peak as a 20-year-old rookie.
On his character: his rookie year his mom moved to the Bay with him. When she moved back east, Smith appeared to stop caring and his ‘character’ advantage evaporated.
Whos not a character guy – A Randolph?
How can you say that? I’ve never seen anything but positives in Rudolf’s character. Look at all the effort and emotion he puts into his play. He goes out there and busts his butt for the team every minute he’s on the court.
Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Jun 25, 2010 9:49 AM PDT up reply actions
for a while
he acted like a big, 6’10" baby
lets let some game be played and we can revisit all of this
Mike Gotlieb just said he thought the Kings got a big F on the draft for drafting not1 but 2 headcases. So while I do not agree he is a so called expert paid money by ESPN and he loves Udoh and hates what Sacto did. Let wait and see them play a few games. Hey Vegas starts soon at leats that will be a little baramoter. Much more so than you or my opinion. Since my background is real estate and lord know what your feild of expertise is.
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by StinkyFingers on Jun 25, 2010 8:29 AM PDT up reply actions
I don't see why the Kings picks would factor into this.
And yes, obviously I don’t have any experience scouting for the NBA but just the numbers I can see I am pessimestic at best. Not going to harp on it all summer long but I do think it’s important to note they were likely better options available to the Warriors.
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by wallywagon11 on Jun 25, 2010 9:42 AM PDT up reply actions
Mike Gotlieb just said he thought the Kings got a big F on the draft for drafting not1 but 2 headcases. So while I do not agree he is a so called expert paid money by ESPN
probably cause he can’t get a real job? Anyone who can’t recognize the talent Of Demarcus Cousins should never be let near a basketball game.
Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Jun 25, 2010 9:52 AM PDT up reply actions
Hey Vegas starts soon at leats that will be a little baramoter. Much more so than you or my opinion. Since my background is real estate and lord know what your feild of expertise is.
my field of expertise is observation and it tells me that Vegas means nothing :>)
Dint Marco and Rudolf look like MJ and Magic in their summer games?
Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Jun 25, 2010 9:57 AM PDT up reply actions
the Kings got a big F on the draft for drafting not1 but 2 headcases.
F for “f-ing ballsy?”
Cousins AND Whiteside? I shudder to think what a total sploogefest Sactown Royalty must be right now…
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on Jun 25, 2010 10:12 AM PDT up reply actions
Big balls.
I give them an A+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ because they went all out. I can respect that.
by Spider Jerusalem on Jun 25, 2010 10:35 AM PDT up reply actions
Haha
Which is exactly the reason why I can’t stop by and peruse STR. The happy comments might just get me to try that spork hara-kiri thing.
"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."
i wanted aminu from day one...
now we’re gonna hafta watch him tear us apart for the next 15 years lol
by stephen30curry on Jun 25, 2010 12:20 AM PDT up reply actions
A bad team needs talent most.
We are a bad team. Therefore we need talent, not “character guys.” In reality, you don’t know if Ekpe Udoh is a better character guy than a lot of the guys that were still on the board at the 6th. You definitely don’t want someone who can tear your franchise apart with his attitude, but which player in the NBA has ever been drafted if a team thought that could happen? At worst, the biggest character flaw in this draft is immaturity. Udoh is 23. Cousins is 19. You don’t think over 4 years, that Cousins might be able to mature? That’s usually what happens as people get older. Not that we would have had Cousins anyway, he just seems to be the guy everyone is jumping on about not being a “character” player. Greg Monroe has more basketball ability than Ekpe Udoh. So does Aminu. So do George, Patterson, and Sanders. This move especially doesn’t make sense if we’re planning to put the guy at C. He benefited a lot from playing with a big 7 footer like Josh Lomers at Baylor, where he didn’t have to defend true centers. Good luck defending even better ones in the NBA. Monroe is by no means the ultimate defender or the biggest center out there, but he is more of one. Aminu is also more of a small forward. Those are both positions of need, and both Monroe and Aminu have more talent and more upside than Udoh. If we truly are rebuilding, then we have no business taking a guy who will almost certainly never be more than a role player.
Is Don Nelson going to Hawaii forever now?
You're missing the elephant in the room.
This pick isn’t bad necessarily because Udoh is a bad player; it’s because the Warriors should have picked Mornoe. According to everything I read, Monroe had one of the highest basketball IQ’s of all the big men in the draft. He would have stepped in and helped us immediately. I don’t really understand why you’re bringing up Cousins, though, because he wasn’t available at #6 because the Kings took him.
I think we, as Warriors fans, are upset because we missed the obvious pick, Monroe, that would have came in and helped us immediately. I hate the pick of Udoh because we already have two skinny, unpolished big man projects in Wright and Randolph. Why would we want to add ANOTHER project (which we will need to invest a heavy amount of resources in because they were all high draft picks) when we haven’t even finished the first two? We can’t just keep drafting unpolished players, when perfectly good players and good character guys are still on the board. Monroe, who I haven’t heard any reports that he is crazy, we really could have used his basketball smarts, unselfishness, and passing skills. I think his skills would have fit in with the team very nicely, but instead we picked a very unpolished player who will not contribute right away.
I really don’t understand why the Warriors picked Udoh when we have two similar players already, when we could have drafted Monroe. Monroe would have taken us in a totally different direction, one that would have been different from the one that produced fruitless results (drafting projects). I mean, look at what drafting Curry, a polished and experienced college player who could contribute immediately, did. This was a very, very poor and head-scratching draft pick.
by TheDaydreamer on Jun 25, 2010 8:31 AM PDT up reply actions
I wanted Monroe too, but I think you’re overstating the difference between him and Udoh. They’re exactly the same listed weight (240), and though Monroe has a slightly bigger frame, Udoh has a bigger wingspan (7’4.5" to 7’2") and much better hops (31" to 25" no-step vertical). Their “skills” are really pretty comparable: both good passers, both OK-but-not spectacular rebounders, both kinda meh in terms of scoring efficiency. And defensively, there’s no question Udoh is the better player by leaps and bounds. Anecdotally, Udoh was much more “the man” on his team, and much more of a man in general. Not really seeing how Udoh is any more of “project.” If anything, Monroe, at age 19, is more of a project; indeed, his (dreaded) upside is one of the things I preferred him to Udoh.
Another thing I will say in Udoh’s defense is that in my limited viewing of the NCAA tournament this year, he was the single player that most stood out and made me think “wow, this guy’s a stud.” Yep, more than Wall, more than Turner, more than Cousins, much more than Favors. I mean, every time Favors did something that impressed me, I’d go, “oh wait, that’s Gani Lawal…” On Baylor, it seemed like every big play, on offense and defense, was all about Epps. Of course, I’m pretty biased, since Baylor v. St. Mary’s, Baylor v. Duke and Butler v. Duke were like the only three games I paid real close attention to. But I have to say, for what it’s worth, that I was MUCH more impressed with Udoh than I was with #9 pick Gordon Hayward…
On the other hand, Udoh’s impressive NCAA showing is precisely one of the things that bugs me about the pick. Basically, he kicked ass in the two areas that are invariably overrated by GMs and scouts: NCAA tourney showing and the dreaded “impressive workout.” (He wore a suit!!!) Weirdly, the area that GMs still seem to underrate criminally is OVERALL COLLEGE NUMBERS. By this count, Mike Dunleavy Jr., for example, shouldn’t even have been a first round pick. And by this count, Udoh just isn’t that impressive, especially for a 22 year old. His shotblocking is spectacular, especially given his low foul rate. The rest — shooting percentages, scoring, rebounding — all extremely mid-late first round-ish. Even if you think Hollinger is a total dolt, the fact that he had Udoh #50 on his list of prospects is rather worrisome.
Still … in the light of day, if you believe in “intangibles” at all, it’s hard to think Udoh is that terrible of a pick. He’s pretty clearly the ideal combo of smart, teachable kid when he’s off the court and savage beast when he’s on it. He’s not ideal size for a big man, but as noted above, he’s not a total twig, and his wingspan and athleticism both easily trump Greg Monroe’s. Still don’t love the pick, but as long as I’m a Warriors fan (and much as I try, I don’t think I can kick the habit) I guess I’ll be rooting for him to deliver a big F-U to the number-obsessed Hollingers (and Sleepy Freuds) of the world.
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on Jun 25, 2010 9:15 AM PDT up reply actions 5 recs
Monroe's skill set is much more polished than Udoh's.
These two are not on the same footing, in terms of knowledge of the game. Sure, Udoh averaged a large amount of assists for a center, but that was a large spike from his freshman year. Udoh averaged 0.9 assists his freshman year. Then there was a big spike to 2.7 APG this year. Monroe averaged about 2.5 APG his freshman year, then about 3.7 this year. It was a significant jump, from one year to the next, maybe implying a fluke from Udoh, while Monroe seems to have consistently been able to pass the ball better, over a longer period of time.
Your “the man” argument also seems moot because the Georgetown’s offense was run through Monroe, as well, hence Monroe’s high assist numbers. Monroe played point forward, which is something I doubt Udoh will ever be able to do. If you want a comparison (assuming you trust nbadraft.net), Monroe is compared to Lamar Odom in terms of whose game he most resembles, while Udoh is compared to Jerome Moiso.
I agree that Udoh is the better athlete, but in all truthfulness, we also have good athletes in Brandan Wright and Anthony Randolph. Why do we want to add player so similar to them when we haven’t even finished working out with AR and BW?
Monroe is a better scorer. He averaged around 16 PPG, compared to 14 PPG from Udoh. Not such a large jump, but he scored 14% more than Udoh, that (ALONG with the high assists and scouting reports from the pros) implies a strong knowledge of fundamentals, especially coming form a big man. If you give any credence to Chad Ford, he notes Monroe’s ability to score from anywhere, his jump shot, back-to-the basket skills, and basketball IQ as Monroe’s strengths. On the flip side, Ford notes Udoh’s raw offensive game and basket ball IQ as weaknesses. There really isn’t a comparison, as far as offensive sophistication and basketball knowledge.
So you might argue that Udoh is there for defense. AW, BW, and Biedrins can block and rebound. Why do we need someone else who does those things? After looking at the numbers, Udoh isn’t exactly a twig and is heavier than Wright and Randolph, but Monroe is 10 lbs heavier, and just by looking at the two, Monroe definitely looks bigger and stronger. In all honestly, if you’re implying Udoh can be a bigger stud than Wall or Turner, which is why I assume you brought the point in your paragraph, I don’t know how much I can believe your arguments.
I understand you’re trying to see this from a positive light, and I might be wrong. Udoh might become the next Bill Russell and lead us to ten Championships with his defense. But from the evidence that is presented before us, it looks like the Warriors really dropped the ball on this one. They passed on Monroe, a good guy with a large amount of skill sets and knowledge, who could step in right away, for a raw player, in Udoh, whose potential for success is questionable.
by TheDaydreamer on Jun 25, 2010 11:02 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Let's just face it.
The Warriors did not like Greg Monroe more than Udoh. They thought he was the better player after watching him last year, workouts, measurements and interviews. They saw what we can’t as fans. I’m ready to just watch Epps play and see how he does. Hopefully we made the right pick.
"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."
great debate
impressed with both arguments between sleepy and dreamer… oddly, i agree with both of you, but i still choose udoh over monroe based on his ability to run the floor and light a fire under the competition between AR and BW.
"That’s Chavey; he’s a good athlete. He can play anywhere … except second base. He’s not that good." -M. Ellis
In all honestly, if you’re implying Udoh can be a bigger stud than Wall or Turner, which is why I assume you brought the point in your paragraph, I don’t know how much I can believe your arguments.
In all honesty, if you’re inferring from my post that I think Udoh can be a bigger stud that Wall or Turner, I don’t know how much I can believe your arguments.
Dude, you stated your position perfectly clearly in your previous post; not sure why you felt compelled to restate it. You think Monroe would have been a better pick than Udoh. Great. NileyRiley clearly think otherwise. I’m pretty torn, and tried to express that in my post.
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on Jun 26, 2010 1:14 PM PDT up reply actions
Like that...lol
I mean what do you do…Start booing him and really crush this dudes confidence before he even shows you what he can do. Then we get another S-jax situation. Until we get new a coach and owner all we can hope for is players that want to be here. I am dubs fan too and bottom line is we need to get stability from management. Man let them dudes battle in camp and see who wants it more.. Man question for you guys what do you think Dell Curry is telling his son about this crap? I bet he is HELLA happy the dubs are for sale….Let the bleeding stop PLEASE
by 707bayallday on Jun 25, 2010 2:25 PM PDT up reply actions
Really?
You are going to be this pessimistic about the pick before he has even put on a uniform?
by randolphforpresident on Jun 25, 2010 12:04 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
yeah that's how I was feeling
I was so mad and disappointed earlier (especially since the Kings took DeMarcus Cousins), but then later on I calmed down and realized that we have to give Epps a chance before we start bashing him. He seemed extremely happy and kept smiling with gratitude, he’s a good kid.
by Precise Films Productions on Jun 25, 2010 12:07 AM PDT up reply actions
However...
This guy seems a lot more like Monroe than Udoh.
Yes, I do feel bad for Ekpe if he runs across these threads
He’s been bashed more than any Warrior pick I’ve ever seen, and that’s a shame. He does stand out as a poised, intelligent guy, even a nice guy, without being a total softie who was obviously in over his head, like POB was on draft night (remember him nervously talking about his pie recipes, in a voice barely above a whisper, minutes after he slipped on his Warriors cap at Madison Square Garden?). Sucks for him that he’s just walking into the ultimate no-win situation where the fan base is on the verge of mutiny. He’s probably going to be a vaguely useful player, even if his ceiling is as low as the one in “Being John Malkovich.” So Ekpe, if you’re reading this, welcome. Like the rest of us, you should know that this too will pass. Please join us as we hunker down and pray for better days ahead under new management.
by BlueInTheFace on Jun 25, 2010 7:40 AM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
Ekpe Udoh would defy all of NBA history in terms of draftees by being the 1st successful 23 year old rookie in the NBA who wasn’t dominating in college.
by homer simpson on Jun 25, 2010 12:12 AM PDT up reply actions
Just to clarify what you mean, what would be successful to you?
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by wallywagon11 on Jun 25, 2010 12:15 AM PDT up reply actions
Ok, I'll bite...
While I’m not crazy about the pick, the guy is a young 23, and there’s always the possibility that a guy breaks a trend. Most likely, he’s a high floor- low ceiling guy.
Here’s what I like though: it shows the W’s are at least trying to think defense. Also, Epps appears to be a decent passer and we know he can rebound and block shots. So here’s how i see him fitting in: if the W’s want to go small, they can play him at center with AR at PF. However, they can also go big with him at PF, Beans at C, and AR at SF (assuming they’re all on the team). He actually seems to fit well.
As long as they just ask him to play D, rebound, and not do too much on offense (cuz we all know scoring is not a problem), the fit is actually not bad. Maybe not what you want out of a #6, but not bad. People say he didn;t dominate, but I’d say 9.8 rebounds, 3.7 blocks, and 2.7 assists are rare numbers from a college player. To me, he dominates at what he does: defend and rebound.
by ERock386 on Jun 25, 2010 12:56 AM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Wright and Randolph block shots and rebound.
I don’t like this argument that Udoh is a good pick because he can block and rebound. We already have two players of similar heights and builds who can already do this. Why do we want to add more players like this, when we already had two on our team already?
We could have gone in a different direction from the one we’ve been taking, and one that has caused us to lose, i.e. drafting skinny big man projects, but instead we keep going down the same road that keeps sending us back to the lottery in the first place.
by TheDaydreamer on Jun 25, 2010 8:50 AM PDT up reply actions
We already have two players of similar heights and builds who can already do this.
This should have read “Three players…”
We forget that we have a center with very similar skill sets.
"If God made us in his image then he must be dumb too, and a little ugly on the side."
Frank Zappa
This should have read "Three players…"
and Tolly makes four
Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Jun 25, 2010 10:04 AM PDT up reply actions
Tolly doesn't block shots or rebound
Pro-Skub for life
by Reverend_Randy on Jun 25, 2010 6:04 PM PDT up reply actions
Really?
Last I checked Wright does not rebound OR block shots. And AR is a weak-side shot blocker, and does not have nearly the same physique as Udoh. You really think he can man the post at PF on defense or play some minutes at center?
In fact, the argument I hate is that Udoh is the same player as the guys the W’s already have, mostly because his height and weight are similar. He is a very different player. Udoh is primarily a defensive player. Can you say that about anyone logging significant minutes on the team?
Wright’s a good shot blocker (2.0 per 36, career). But your overall point is well taken.
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on Jun 25, 2010 1:53 PM PDT up reply actions
They are similar players in that they are all skinny big men who are still developing their game.
Wright, Randolph, and Udoh are all still learning to bring their tools together to play effective basketball. When we picked them, none of these guys had a solid knowledge of the game and were still years from becoming effective players. We will have to spend lots of resources on all of them until they will be capable of becoming starters or real contributors to the team. I agree that they have different tools, i.e. I agree Udoh is more defensive minded than the other two, but when we drafted all of these guys, they were all lanky big men projects who were drafted on potential and were/are years away from becoming real contributors.
by TheDaydreamer on Jun 25, 2010 4:57 PM PDT up reply actions
Sacramento got the top two guys I wanted...
… DeMarcus Cousins and Hassan Whiteside.
They got a beast rebounder in DeMarcus and the next Marcus Camby in Hassan Whiteside.
Oh well. I’m starting to have a little faith in Friday the 13th now, I think he may surprise a lot of us. He’s a good shot blocker and either he or Randolph might even be able to have success at the center position (it’s worth a try). Now we have 4 pretty good big men to work with in our future: Brandan Wright, Andris Biedrins, Anthony Randolph and Ekpe Udoh. Biedrins might be gone this offseason, though.
by Precise Films Productions on Jun 25, 2010 12:05 AM PDT reply actions
Not sure if I would be calling Whiteside the next Marcus Camby
Camby was pretty darn good coming out of college.
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by wallywagon11 on Jun 25, 2010 12:06 AM PDT up reply actions
Yeah I know.
The good thing about their pick is that he’s a low risk, high reward player due to the fact that they got him in the 2nd round. And yeah, I feel that Whiteside will be a big surprise, but he’ll need about 2-3 years to develop his game unlike Camby who was already ready coming into the league.
by Precise Films Productions on Jun 25, 2010 12:10 AM PDT up reply actions
Just giving you a heads up I am actually a Kings fan (soft spot for Warriors though)
It’s funny because we were talking about Whiteside a lot about a month ago (he was one of the first to work out here and we had video). People were comparing him to Camby at the time which lead to a few of us looking up Camby’s numbers and I kind of ignored the fact that he actually was pretty good from the very beginning. I always thought in my head he kind of sucked in Toronto but he was actually pretty good until he got injured in his 3rd or 4th year. His numbers were already surprisingly good.
Please note the 11 next to my name. All others are frauds.
by wallywagon11 on Jun 25, 2010 12:13 AM PDT up reply actions
I envy the Kings right now
I even envy, the Clippers Right Now
Kings got DMC, Reke to look fwd to.
Clippers have Blake Griffin to look fwd to.
We only have health to look fwd to. Ok well maybe more ball movement without Maggette.
Yeah, I’m totally not looking forward to Stephen Curry at all.
The Ultimate Opportunist
by Rated-R Superstar on Jun 25, 2010 2:24 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
It's amazing how quickly people forget the good things
Please note the 11 next to my name. All others are frauds.
by wallywagon11 on Jun 25, 2010 8:17 AM PDT up reply actions
It’s going to be exciting to see how the young players develop in Sacramento. Everyone will be eager to see how DeMarcus does, but I really hope that Hassan Whiteside gets a lot of shine in the NBA. Unfortunately, Whiteside has Dalembert and Cousins in front of him which will limit his minutes a whole lot and hold back his development.
The Kings should try giving him some time at PF backing up Carl Landry. I think Whiteside is capable. Hassan is quick and athletic, a great shotblocker, and has the mid range shot to play 4. He also has some ballhandling ability; he used to play guard before he grew to be 6’11". He’s also working with Hakeem Olajuwon, so maybe he’ll develop some good post moves to go with that athletic build of his.
If he meets my expectations, the Kings will be scary. They would have Hassan Whiteside and DeMarcus Cousins in the paint which will be one of the best defensive frontcourt tandems in the NBA. Add Tyreke Evans to that and you have a very big team that’s capable of winning a lot of games in the future.
All you would really need is a SG and a SF, which are a dime a dozen anyways. A trio of Tyreke Evans, Hassan Whiteside and DeMarcus Cousins is a good core. Just a couple more trades and some good FA signings left to go.
by Precise Films Productions on Jun 25, 2010 4:06 AM PDT up reply actions
It’s going to be exciting to see how the young players develop in Sacramento.
Yeah baby, !! They are now one Ronron short of being able to dominate the lakers.
Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Jun 25, 2010 10:08 AM PDT up reply actions
I dunno
I’ve always got the DeAndre Jordan vibe from Whiteside. He’s at least 2-3 years away from contributing. But still in the second round he’s more than worth it. Sacramento is now the biggest (or bigger?) team in the league.
Well, now that we couldn’t get DC, can we get Enes Kanter next year? Please?
"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."
I think the Whiteside pick is a bit overblown
I am all kinds of happy he fell to the Kings. I don’t mind a project in the second round at all but to act like this is something that will for sure have an impact on the team? Yeah, I’ll believe that when I see it.
Please note the 11 next to my name. All others are frauds.
by wallywagon11 on Jun 25, 2010 1:44 PM PDT up reply actions
It’s going to be exciting to see how the young players develop in Sacramento. Everyone will be eager to see how DeMarcus does, but I really hope that Hassan Whiteside gets a lot of shine in the NBA. Unfortunately, Whiteside has Dalembert and Cousins in front of him which will limit his minutes a whole lot and hold back his development.
The Kings should try giving him some time at PF backing up Carl Landry. I think Whiteside is capable. Hassan is quick and athletic, a great shotblocker, and has the mid range shot to play 4. He also has some ballhandling ability; he used to play guard before he grew to be 6’11". He’s also working with Hakeem Olajuwon, so maybe he’ll develop some good post moves to go with that athletic build of his.
If he meets my expectations, the Kings will be scary. They would have Hassan Whiteside and DeMarcus Cousins in the paint which will be one of the best defensive frontcourt tandems in the NBA. Add Tyreke Evans to that and you have a very big team that’s capable of winning a lot of games in the future.
All you would really need is a SG and a SF, which are a dime a dozen anyways. A trio of Tyreke Evans, Hassan Whiteside and DeMarcus Cousins is a good core. Just a couple more trades and some good FA signings left to go.
by Precise Films Productions on Jun 25, 2010 4:06 AM PDT up reply actions
is there an echo in here?
Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Jun 25, 2010 10:09 AM PDT up reply actions
still baffled by our pick
udoh may be a step in the right direction for a team which lacks any interior defense, but can anyone name the last time a team with such a high pick took a player that was nba ready over one with more potential and actually came out winners?
it’s hard to understand why a moribund franchise in need of talent would go with the safe pick here rather than take a gamble on a prospect with more upside…it’s not like we’re getting better in the immediate future anyways
by Tom Huddlestone on Jun 25, 2010 12:25 AM PDT reply actions
I would be totally fine with the safe pick if he at least projected to be a starter.
Please note the 11 next to my name. All others are frauds.
by wallywagon11 on Jun 25, 2010 12:36 AM PDT up reply actions
Thompson points out that the Warriors like Udoh’s ability to defend multiple positions, so that leads me to believe that he will see time at center. Biedrins and Gadzuric could every well be dealt for Kenyon Martin.
The Ultimate Opportunist
by Rated-R Superstar on Jun 25, 2010 12:42 AM PDT up reply actions
Curry is 22, Ellis is 24, Biedrins is 24. I’m guessing if the team had a long-term plan they’d want to be competitive in maybe 3 years- it’s hard to see beyond that. I think Udoh fits into that scheme better than an 18 year old with potential.
Kinda shows the team is tired of waiting for this "potential"
from some of the kids coming out of the draft. They wanted someone that could come in and play now without waiting for their potential
His name is Bond, Brock Bond, and his adopted father? ME, any questions?
Don't confuse "likely not a star" with "safe".
I’m not particularly pleased with the pick, but I don’t understand why you’d consider it “safe.” “Safe” suggests that there’s a solid chance that he’ll pan out.
The last time I can recall a pick this high being used on a similarly unexciting player was when Battier was drafted. (There are similarities —neither were considered high on the ‘athletic’ scale, both got sold on defense, both were 22 on draft night, though similarities stop pretty soon after that.) Battier turned out reasonably well and has helped every team he’s been on. If he turns out as well as Battier, I’ll be content. I won’t be overly happy, but I’ll be content.
My problem with Udoh is that what he did in college doesn’t suggest to me that he’ll be a contributor in the pros. His rebounding was good, but not great. He wasn’t a high percentage scorer for a guy his size. He was a reasonable passer for a big man (though he’s not particularly big for a big man either) though he was a touch turnover prone as a result. This all suggests that he could come in, be overmatched, have an even harder time hitting a reasonable percentage of his shots and will be only a moderate rebounder. Shot blocking? Seems to be real, real good. But that’s about it. Overall, that’s just not a great overall portrait. I just don’t see what qualifies him as “safe”? I don’t see him as any safer than Ed Davis, who is younger, rebounded better, was a better shot blocker, and converted more of his shots. Plus he is considered a better athlete. [No, I’m not arguing in favor of Davis, merely confused as to what the selling point with Udoh really is.]
by jae on Jun 25, 2010 9:11 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
merely confused as to what the selling point with Udoh really is.]
Nigerian telephone scammer called Riley up?
Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Jun 25, 2010 10:13 AM PDT up reply actions
There are definitely going to be roster shakeups in the future.
It’s hard to be too hard on the guy when he hasn’t stepped on the floor yet. We could use a guy to do the dirty on this team. But we still need a lot of help, so lets see how the rest of the roster shapes itself. I think there will be several more trades.
obviously
This team is definitely going to have a different roster come opening night, i have to think what Marcus Thomson said is true, with trade talks about Gay or Iguadala, since that’s what this team needs now, a SF
His name is Bond, Brock Bond, and his adopted father? ME, any questions?
I still cling on to the hope that
we can magically turn Monta into Iguodala.
"It's like Will Smith, remember the Fresh Prince? Get the ball don't let nobody else shoot? That's kinda what the offense can be sometimes, and they're just standing around waiting for Monta to make a play"
-MT2
by golden_solitude on Jun 25, 2010 12:51 AM PDT up reply actions
Haha, might have to be more than Monta
what i want to know is the contract, are they somewhat similar?
His name is Bond, Brock Bond, and his adopted father? ME, any questions?
He only gets paid 1 more million dollars per year
Seems like a good catch to me.
"It's like Will Smith, remember the Fresh Prince? Get the ball don't let nobody else shoot? That's kinda what the offense can be sometimes, and they're just standing around waiting for Monta to make a play"
-MT2
by golden_solitude on Jun 25, 2010 12:55 AM PDT up reply actions
THATS ALOT OF MONEY DUDE!!!
you got 1 million dollars? haha, who knows, that’d be fine with me
His name is Bond, Brock Bond, and his adopted father? ME, any questions?
For those of you still pissed off at the pick
go read MT2 and Matt Stenimetz’ articles about the pick.
"It's like Will Smith, remember the Fresh Prince? Get the ball don't let nobody else shoot? That's kinda what the offense can be sometimes, and they're just standing around waiting for Monta to make a play"
-MT2
by golden_solitude on Jun 25, 2010 12:52 AM PDT reply actions
MT2's article was fantastic, made me much more optimistic
His name is Bond, Brock Bond, and his adopted father? ME, any questions?
It’s on the home page of GSOM.
Confident Marco Belinelli supporter
by Doctor Kajita on Jun 25, 2010 10:02 AM PDT up reply actions
I think we should trade with Memphis
we trade Monta, Ammo, and vlad rad and we get Rudy Gay and Xavier Henry
Fear is the Mind Killer
Warriors fans deserve to get screwed over in the lottery and in the Draft.
That’s what you get for constantly whining so much. “OHHH I HATE MONTA! MONTA IS EVIL! MONTA IS RUINING MY LIFE! WHY IS MONTA SUCH A THUG?!”
How about you get screwed in the draft. Maybe giving you guys more to whine about will knock some sense into you. Kings fans were humble with having Tyreke Evans to look forward to… and now everything went their way; now they have DeMarcus Cousins and Hassan Whiteside. Warriors fans that whine so much deserve to have more to whine about.
All this complaining about Monta and Nellie. All we need to be successful is health… did you not realize that a big reason why we lost so many games was because we were constantly injured. You can’t expect to win games when you only have 6 healthy players available and when Anthony Tolliver and Chris Hunter are your starting big men. Cartier Martin, Coby Carl, yeaaahhh. You can’t expect Monta to be conservative like his 07-08 self when he’s surrounded by an unhealthy team.
He goes from being the darling of the We Believe Team to being the most hated Warrior. ‘07 ohh I love Monta this kid is our future what a great story he won most improved… ’10 ohh i hate monta why is he complaining about stephen curry what a cancer monta is lets trade him so we can finally be a championship team and win 60 games. Amazing how Warriors fans give up on their players so easily. Constantly thinking that making a trade is the answer when we obviously weren’t even at full strength last season to fully evaluate how good we could have been.
lol, okay i know, i should stop whining too. I constantly whine about people whining. oh well. i was bored, nothing else to do at 4:30 in the morning.
by Precise Films Productions on Jun 25, 2010 4:35 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
^^^ lol don't mind this post.
it’s just an over exaggerated rant that doesn’t make sense.
by Precise Films Productions on Jun 25, 2010 6:58 AM PDT up reply actions
Thx Precise you typed up one of the rants that sometimes pops up in my brain on a bad day.
by Only In Fairfax on Jun 25, 2010 10:06 AM PDT up reply actions
Good read.
Confident Marco Belinelli supporter
by Doctor Kajita on Jun 25, 2010 10:14 AM PDT up reply actions
nothing else to do at 4:30 in the morning.
pat her on the bottom.
Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Jun 25, 2010 10:15 AM PDT up reply actions
I think you're confused
As if whining about Monta had anything to do with the lottery or the draft.
"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."
None of this matters as long as Nellie is coach
As long as we have a coach who is so talented at chewing up young players and spitting them out, I don’t think it matters who gets drafted. I’m just holding on until Nelson is gone. I’m not sure who would be willing to come in and tackle this mess, so all I can do is hope.
Here's some speculation for you
Kevin Pritchard is now the former Blazers GM. Larry Ellison buys the team and gets Pritchard as GM.
Pritchard's phone is ringing off the hook from all over the league right now
It would be marvelous to have him but unless he chooses to sit out a year relaxing, he won’t be available.
You know, I the thing that bugs me...
Is that after that train wreck of a season, we get censored in the lottery to pick outside the top 5. Wasn’t it everyone’s consensus anyways that outside the top 5 the chances of getting a real game changer type player was a reach?
Anyways, if he really can add defense and rebounding, we may find good use of him yet. Can’t wait to see us dominate summer leauge lol!
Take my bags, not my top 3 pick!
"Winning is not enough. All others must lose." - Larry Ellison
On the bright side
It’s great to have Adonal Foyle back with the team.
the oakland athletics: hittin' ain't easy
by walk off bunt on Jun 25, 2010 8:35 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
GSW should never ever draft a big guy
proof :
1994 – 16 clifford rozier
1995 – 1 joe smith (average but not worth the 1st pick)
1996 – 11 tod fuller
1997 – 8 adonal foyle
1998 – (didnt draft a big guy but traded vince carter right away)
1999 – 21 jeff foster
2000 – 55 chris porter hehe
2001 – 14 troy murphy
2002-2003 – no big guy drafted
2004 – 11 andris biedrins
2005 – 9 ike diogu
2006 – 10 patrick o’bryant
2007 – 8 brandan wright
2008 – 14 anthony randolph
2009 – 7 STEPHEN CURRY!!
2010 – 6 ekpe udoh
while they had little to no success on drafting PF and Cs, though Brandan Wright, Anthony Randolph and Ekpe Udoh still remains to be judged, they did manage to draft right on smaller guys such as spree, penny, vince carter, jason richardson, gilbert arenas, monta and stephen curry.
Biedrins and Troy Murphy were not bad picks
Please note the 11 next to my name. All others are frauds.
by wallywagon11 on Jun 25, 2010 8:58 AM PDT up reply actions
yes they are okay
but they arent game changers compared to the smaller guys i pointed out on my post. and it wouldnt be fair if i only put the horrible picks on the list.
Also, i feel beidrins is slacking right after he got his contract.
Troy Murphy wasn't a bad pick
Mullin’s contract extension was AWFUL though
doesn't mean they shouldn't have drafted him though
what is up with ex players always giving out way too much money?
Please note the 11 next to my name. All others are frauds.
by wallywagon11 on Jun 25, 2010 10:06 AM PDT up reply actions
GSW should never ever draft a big guy
unless they let orlando do it for us?
Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Jun 25, 2010 10:19 AM PDT up reply actions
Add 2 more
You can put J.B. Carroll and Chris Washburn on that list.
I had a night to sleep on it.
I’ve been reading the comments by Riley on why they made the pick and I can’t argue with them.
1) Udoh was the best player available. Who are we, the fans, to know who the best player was? We all thought Monroe was but apparently, the staff thought otherwise. The point of the draft is to pick the best player available and if the Warriors thought they did this then good for them.
2) The Warriors were unable to move up or down in the draft because either the top 5 wouldn’t budge or the teams with the lower picks didn’t offer a fair deal to the Warriors. The former I believe because this was pretty much a consensus 5 player draft. After 5, it was a coin-flip. The latter statement is a little open-ended. We don’t know what the Warriors truly considered fair. Riley said that they’re not having a fire sale and that if they’re going to trade Monta or Biedrins, they’re looking to acquire equal talent back, not just to dump salaries. So if they took this same philosophy for wanting to trading down in the draft and couldn’t acquire a player in addition to the draft pick, then good for them. They stuck by their guns and took what they felt was the best player available. According to Marcus Thompson, they weren’t willing to trade down for just the pick and cash, for example.
3) The Warriors’ glaring holes are defense, rebounding, and size. Udoh’s a defense first player. I’m not sure about rebounding, but he seems to have a more NBA-ready body than Randolph and Wright and definitely has the length. They wanted their draft pick to be able to contribute immediately. They took a seasoned college player who apparently has high basketball IQ and an overall skillset. They also feel he is more athletic than Greg Monroe. By drafting Monroe, they would have a high-post passing big man. Not a defensive stopper down low. I cannot argue with this reasoning.
4) The Warriors didn’t want to draft another 18 – 20 year old with “upside.” We have too many of those players and those players haven’t shown us enough. The Udoh pick directly conflicts with the futures of AR and BW. But, AR and BW haven’t proven they deserve significant PT (debatable for AR, I know). Again, if the idea was to draft a player, not by position, who could contribute right away regardless of what current players we have, then good for the Warriors. They didn’t worry about hurting anyone’s feelings. It sends a message of urgency to AR and BW that they need to be healthy and be productive. However, I see this draft pick igniting a couple trades as there’s simply no way there’s enough minutes for Udoh, AR, BW, AB, RT, and DG. And I hate the idea of Udoh, AR, and BW playing center unless it’s for very short spurts of time. We all know we’re going to see it unless AR or BW is traded.
So, what do you think guys? Here’s what ESPN said about the pick:
Analysis: I like Ekpe Udoh and so do a lot of NBA scouts and general managers. But taking him at No. 6 felt like a major reach, especially when you consider the Warriors’ current roster. In previous years, the Warriors have selected Brandan Wright and Anthony Randolph in the lottery — both, like Udoh, are thin, athletic players who can rebound and run the floor. Udoh may be more polished than Wright and Randolph. He’s an accomplished shot-blocker and rebounder and he has a more sophisticated offensive game. But he’s also already 23 years old, while Wright is just 22 and Randolph is only 20. Given all that, and given the uncertainty in the Warriors organization, Udoh looks like a classic candidate to disappoint.
Confident Marco Belinelli supporter
by Doctor Kajita on Jun 25, 2010 9:02 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
I don't think Udoh is as likely to disappoint as AR
If BR can stay healthy, he’ll probably start at PF. Udoh should be in the rotation in the front court, and he sounds like he’s very coachable and smart, which Nellie will like. As for AR, he may very well be traded—and I won’t be bummed if he does as I don’t think he’s shown the ability to be an NBA starter. His basketball instincts are still poorly developed.
@WorldBLee
Brandan Randolph. He is the culmination of Warrior hopes and failures.
Confident Marco Belinelli supporter
by Doctor Kajita on Jun 25, 2010 9:19 AM PDT up reply actions
BR?
You must have missed the guy we picked up in the supplemental round:
This year it really was about the rebounding and D…
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on Jun 25, 2010 9:22 AM PDT up reply actions
Go Dons!
Confident Marco Belinelli supporter
by Doctor Kajita on Jun 25, 2010 9:30 AM PDT up reply actions
Lets face it the real disappointment here was lotteryball night.
After 2 seasons of bad health incuding this one which was downright twilight zone we ended up with the 6th pick in a 5 man draft.
As much as I dreamed of Cousins the last 5 months its looking like he didnt want to play here anyway+we probably do not have the support systems he needs, so the question is….is Udoh the best pic at the the end of the day? The only silver lining that I can see is the hope that some serious competition at PF will be a good thing especially for AR who needs to find his mental focus and as much as I like Wright and hope he breaks out this year how many of are willing to bet the ranch that he will stay healthy…….one way to look at it is if everyone is healthy this year and we have 3 young blazing studs at PF who cares if there is a friggen log jamb for crips sake! That a good thang…compared to the last 2 years…if one blows out/get hurt etc. at least we wont have Maggette/Buike/Toliver as our starting PF…..we should be worrying more about whether the old Beans is back on track….now having a black hole at C is a bigger problem and please dont think AR is our C for the future…rant finished, thank you.
by Only In Fairfax on Jun 25, 2010 10:29 AM PDT up reply actions
I was too pissed/bummed yesterday to follow the national buzz, but the Simmons take on the pick was reasonably chuckleworthy…
Golden State grabs Baylor shot-blocker Ekpe Udoh. It’s going to be fun when Don Nelson plays him for three weeks, Udoh puts up huge rebounding/blocks stats, there’s a fantasy hoops stampede for him and then Nellie inexplicably benches him for the next three months.
There will be no extra point!
Trade is coming...
The dubs draft started last year when they struck gold with Reggie Williams. Only reason I can see why he didn’t get drafted was becuase he went to a small school. But his numbers and Basketball IQ was special and he proved it against NBA talent. And he doesn’t cost as much is still young and has way less attitude then Corey or Monte.
I like Randolph game but does he bring it every night?? Ya Nelson has something to do with it but with the playoff teams is effort ever a question. And we always get question mark dudes. Me first and then we over pay for the ones that have a specialty. So if they finally got the guy in Curry that gives us balance man clean all these other guys out including management. I rather have some hungry scrappers that come hard every night then some then a guy that knows he has talent but you have to motivate him. Take the pieces and build around Curry.
Randolph and Monte are gone in my opinion same production less cash and better locker room and court chemistry. Package them up and get something
does he bring it every night??
I mean, except when he he’s nursing a badly torn ankle, or Nellie has him nailed to the bench…
You can question his decision making and maturity, but I don’t see how anyone can question whether he “brings it.” Dude’s a tasmanian devil when he’s on the floor. It’s rare to see a big man who throws himself around with such reckless abandon. If anything, he needs to dial back the intensity just a bit.
To me it’s madness to trade Randolph for anything other than a true stud. He still hasn’t played enough to give any sense of his ceiling. For a team as a pathetic as the Ws to give up on a guy with his upside just seems incredibly unwise. I think it’s a great idea, if we can swing it, to package Monta with one of our bigs for a legit full-sized starting small forward (Iguodala?) But unless that SF is LeBron, I’d dangle Udoh, Biedrins, Turiaf or Wright and keep Randolph mostly off the table.
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on Jun 25, 2010 10:41 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
It’s rare to see a big man who throws himself around with such reckless abandon.
yeah, I can’t even think of a big man with rudolfs crazy hopped up motor other than maybe rodman , or possibly birdman :>) ? we’d be fools to trade him just cause they don’t like what he sez. If they do get rid of him I hope it’s to sacto to add to their crazy young lineup?
Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Jun 25, 2010 10:48 AM PDT reply actions
My opionion is that they trade Randolph cuz they feel they can get something for him. Not that I dont think he is going to be good or think they should. But I think dude is fed up with being here like a scorned chic. Agent has let it be known too. I think Wright should go but who is going to trade for a guy that has not played in 2 years. I dont like it but who can you get that is a difference maker with Monte and Beans salary.
But again dont know what we got cuz we got Nelson wanted to play a 6’ line up. Put in Corey over Morrow and Tolliver over Randolph. Put in Ramonivich over Randolph..I mean who does that…especially if there was not a whiff of a play off run
Granger or Gay ?? I mean we have not been able to attract a free agent since Mark Price walked out of practice and Sprewell choked the coach so no top tier guy is coming here on his own free will.
but I do think Williams is going to shock people cuz he can handle he is big and he can create shots but no one is talking about how we got him for nothing and we already know he is NBA ready.
My 9 cents
At first, like everyone else, I was like “WTF??” But you know, I’ve put a little thought into this Udoh pick, and I’m starting to warm a little. Here’s why:
1. Ok, this team is a mess. Complete disarray. They cannot sell fast enough. Like most are saying, I think Riley now swings some kind of Monta + Randolph deal, but I don’t think it’s a good idea. There is little chance that the W’s, given their ownership situation, get anything of real basketball value for these two guys. Unlike most of GSoM, I’m not down on Monta, and I most certainly don’t think Randolph will ever be an all-star, but a trade is not going to result in more wins.
2. The front office clearly has zero confidence in the ability of Randolph and Wright to stay healthy. And can you blame them? Wright is clearly super fragile, has injured his left shoulder (he’s left handed) multiple times now, and now they want him to play summer league to get back into the flow. I do not want him in Las Vegas because the game there is chaotic and foul-heavy, neither which will be good for someone returning from injury. Because of Randolph’s frame and game type (jumping bean), I think the Warriors are concerned that Randolph might be due for a number of ankle sprains in the future.
3. Hey, the W’s actually have some big men now. No more excuses from Nellie for small-ball. Wouldn’t you like to see Curry/Monta/Randolph/Wright/Udoh or Curry/Morrow/Azubuike/Udoh/Turiaf?
4. Maybe the idea is to play even faster. The Warriors (along with the Suns) were the fastest paced team in the league. But when they slow down and get into a grind-it-out game, that’s when they struggle. Maybe they want to push the tempo even more, with Curry and Monta playing a breakneck pace, and the five big guys (not counting Gadzuric) being used as interchangeable parts. With more big men, the Warriors can mix more zone defenses into the rotation, and most certainly Corey Maggette won’t hold the ball for 14 seconds and then chuck a deep 2.
5. Regardless of pace, with the return of players from injury (all of them) and the addition of an all-defense, some offense shot-blocker in Udoh, this team will be a better defensive team. They have to be.
There are some legitimate concerns that should be brought up:
A. Why not trade down?
B. Did the Warriors even look at Aminu or Davis? If no, why not?
C. Did the Warriors decide whom to draft and then trade Maggette with no real time to scout the SFs?
D. Who plays SF? I hear everyone clamoring for Rudy Gay, but if anyone can tell me how Gay is real upgrade over Maggette, I’d love to hear it. The only SFs that make any sense to acquire are Luol Deng or Danny Granger.
I hope that he turns out to be great
so that us kings fan can argue about who’s better, him or cousins. Stephen Curry was a steal for you last year, and I wish you guys all the luck !
GSW FANS - Be prepared of a Nets-like season
Even morons can figure out that ownership is bankrupting the organization as only a corpoation does prior to filing Chapter 7 or 11.
Typical greedy mother fuckers at the helm.
This is why organizations Like GSW are consistent losers.
by jlcdb70 on Jun 25, 2010 6:42 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Every season is the same old GSW organizational bull-shit
A bunch of GREEDY ASS front office losers as human beings, period!
A bunch of scorned and immature players who think their shit is all that!
This is a good pick
I am evaluating this pick based on three things.
1. He brings defense, something the GSW lack. He was arguably one of the best post defenders in the NCAA last year and he only raised is competition during the Tourney.
2. He is a late bloomer. Looking at his age alone (23) isn’t properly evaluating the guy. He started the game much later than most.
3. He is a high character guy.
He has plenty of upside and anyone who thinks otherwise only sees his age but not how long he has been playing the game. That’s OK, because that would actually take some effort into researching his past and ts obvious a lot of people have not done that.
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