What SF should we target if any?
by dubzfan on Jun 25, 2010 6:42 PM PDT
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According to Marcus Thompson he expects the W's to make a move for Andre Igudola or Rudy Gayand even guys like Rudy Fernandez and John Salmons
(Me again: Expect the Warriors to make a play for a Rudy Gay or Andre Iguodala. Or even a third-tier SF type, like John Salmons or Rudy Fernandez)
Personally I doubt either Salmons or Rudy want to come here Salmons is rumored to be pursued heavily by Atlanta and Rudy may want to go back to Spain (rumored). But I was thinking about guys like Danny Granger and Tayshaun Prince being available. Prince has been shopped around some and could probably be taken but Granger is the tough one. By all accounts they really like him still but the pick of George is head scratching. Do they plan on him being a big 2 guard? Is Granger now on the block? Seeing as though George is similar to Granger we could have an Iggy/ Turner situation over there as well and we should take advantage
The small forwards:
Andre Iguodala - Obviously a favorite of us and my favorite as well. He is everything we need at SF, a passer, someone who can handle the ball, an elite defender, a driver and he's tough. He's the perfect compliment to our back court. The 76ers say there committed to him and that Doug Collins wants him and Evan Turner. But it's also rumored Iggy is available for the right price. I feel as though to get him they will need to receive a big man from somewhere since they didn't acquire one through a trade yesterday . I feel as though a trade similar to this one gives them enough to part with Iggy from there view(ignore the trade failed, Vlad's expiring makes it work but it won't let me put him in): http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=2dkxxpg
Philly: They lack a a sharpshooter(Kapono is an expiring and is old) and Ellington shot near 40% from 3 on the year and is young and cheap. Hollins simply serves as deph at center and Jefferson is the main guy here. They lack a tough low post player. They traded for Hawes who is a perimeter guy and is not a great rebounder or defender and is soft. All in all they need someone mean and tough at center.
Minny: They drafted a bunch of 3's for whatever reason when they have a glaring need at 2. They want to trade Jefferson and are in love with Darko (who knows why). So trading Jefferson for a SG like Rip makes sense and especially since he can really shoot and they were the worst 3 point shooting team in the NBA.
Detroit: If Monroe is as soft as people say they will need someone willing to mix it up, and we know he's never been an outstanding rebounder and Beans has. There front court is god awful so the more deph the better. Why would we trade Beans? Cause when Riley said he may want to start two 4's and Nellie said we need a 5 to me that just meant Beans was long gone.
But we should keep options open to many other SF's out there. One of whom I think we can get today would be Tayshaun Prince if we did a Prince for Beans swap. Offensively he's not much but he's a lock down defender who can guard almost any wing. Someone like Danny Granger as well if we trade Monta for Granger + a filler although I don't think they will trade Granger. Than there is the pipe dream of nabbing Carmelo Anthony in free agency and getting Prince's expiring would go towards that. Rudy Gay would be hard to get since Memphis said they will match almost any offer and we don't have tons of money but we do have cap space next year so going over the cap this year may not be a huge deal.
Or do you guys think we should not even get one now and wait until the draft and hopefully get someone in the draft? Two guys to look out for are Harrison Barnes (next years Wall) and Perry Jones who to me is very very intriguing
I don't know much about Barnes but I know he is an amazing person and player that can do everything but doesn't have Wall type of athletic ability. Instead he is a lot like Grant Hill, scary in the similarities. Jones is strange, he's 6'11 230 lbs going into college but NBAdraft.net says his spot in the NBA is on the wing and he handles and shoots the ball like a guard but he can also post up a little. I think he can be the very first center/SF hybrid. Both are spots of need here. Of course we need to watch him closely too see if he's Odom, or Tmac or a really versatile center.
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I’d love Melo.
But more realistically I’d go for Granger over Iggy…but by a very slim margin. I think they’re both better than Rudy Gay.
"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."
None of those guys are coming here
I would go for Ryan Gomes. He’s a team player, he does whatever the team needs. He can knock down the 3, get to the basket. Also he is a real good scrappy defender.Since there is a big logjam at the 3 now, he could possibly get cut. He could because it will only cost them 1 mil. If Gomes is cut I think he would be a great pickup.
Fuck the Lakers...Oh sorry the Fakers
Gomes is also AMAZING in nba 2k10
No clue why but I always kill it with him
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by wallywagon11 on Jun 25, 2010 7:29 PM PDT up reply actions
and I would agree with you too
He’s a darn good player
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by wallywagon11 on Jun 25, 2010 7:29 PM PDT up reply actions
Did any else but me notice that Iggy's hights looked an a lot like Aminu's?
by Only In Fairfax on Jun 26, 2010 11:36 AM PDT up reply actions
They’re both athletic freaks. Aminu is a better rebounder and more versatile defender, but Iguodala has more perimeter skills and I think overall scoring ability.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Jun 26, 2010 1:04 PM PDT up reply actions
I’d love to get Iguodala, Granger, Gay or Prince in that order. I’d move Ellis for any one of those guys as well. I’m not crazy about Salmons or Fernandez. I am excited to see how everything plays out this summer.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Jun 25, 2010 6:52 PM PDT reply actions
You don't get Gay unless you seriously overpay for him
Granger is a franchise player who unless we give a crop of our good young players, we will not get him. Iguodala is a perfect fit for Philly at the 3, they don’t want Monta. They have no reason to want Monta. Also with Detroit if Prince is traded it will be for a good young player. They aren’t just giving him away. Same with Rudy.
Fuck the Lakers...Oh sorry the Fakers
How is Iggy a great fit for Philly?
They just drafted Evan Turner. You’re right that they have no reason to want Monta, but Iggy and Turner is pretty same-y.
Granger is a very good offensive player, and I like him for that, but I don’t think he’s any better.
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by Reverend_Randy on Jun 25, 2010 7:05 PM PDT up reply actions
Granger is a top scorer, a great defender, a good rebounder and passer for his position
Also of course they would want to keep Iggy. Evan Turner compliments the whole team. Dre is great off the ball anyways. Iggy is a tremendously talented player. He is one of the best passing forwards in the NBA. He is a very capable defender and a strong rebounder for his position. He would be a great second option.
Fuck the Lakers...Oh sorry the Fakers
Actually, Granger is an average rebounder at the SF position. Passer? Decent. Good at scoring, though.
I don’t see why Philly wouldn’t trade Iggy. They’re in a rebuilding mode, and getting rid of Iggy’s contract would free up a lot of space. Also, Turner and Iggy don’t seem to be good outside shooters, so maybe they want a G/F who can shoot from 3’s to complement Holiday/Turner?
I never really thought of Granger as a great passer as well. He's okay.
But at least he doesn’t TO the ball much. I like Granger over Iggy (by a hair) because Granger can spread the floor with his 3pt shot. He’s much, much better than Iggy. He’s also more efficient, Gets to the line more and converts at a higher %. They both rebound at similar rates. Iggy gets a lot more assists though he turns it over a bit more % wise.
Either player is fine with me, but my preference is Granger. Now there’s just a matter of what to give up to get him.
"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."
Granger gets 2.5, and Iggy gets 2.6 turnovers? Not much of a difference. If you’re talking about career turnovers, then yes Granger has the advantage, but Iggy’s A/TO ratio is much better.
He’s much, much better than IggyScoring, yes. Everything else? Not really. Iggy is a better rebounder, passer, handler. Not sure about Granger’s D, but I’ll say it’s the same. I like Granger too, but I wouldn’t say he’s much better than Iguodala. I’ll give Granger the slight advantage, though.
Iggy turns the ball over on a higher # of posessions
14.9% to 11% over their careers. I’m guessing that’s because Iggy is asked to create more off the dribble and play more PG.
I agree, Iggy is the more rounded player, but I Granger is the more efficient scorer. I like that he can shoot the 3pt shot with pretty good efficiency. That’s why I tend to like him more over Iggy. I’d imagine we’d have the ball in Curry’s hands more, so the need for another playmaker would be nice, but not absolutely crucial.
"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."
Not disagreeing with you at all, but of course Iggy will have more turnovers, he’s a playmaker. Overall, Iggy is the better all around player, but when it comes to scoring, Granger has an advantage. If we somehow miraculously pull off a trade for one of them and not include Randolph/Curry, I’m all for it.
I agree completely.
"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."
Really?
I would take that trade in an instant. Only problem is that Larry Bird seriously overvalues Granger. He even said that “the entire NJ team isn’t worth Granger and the 10th pick”.
"It's like Will Smith, remember the Fresh Prince? Get the ball don't let nobody else shoot? That's kinda what the offense can be sometimes, and they're just standing around waiting for Monta to make a play"
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by golden_solitude on Jun 25, 2010 7:51 PM PDT up reply actions
I was under the impression that Granger is a very poor defensive player
and he really isn’t a very good rebounder.
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by Reverend_Randy on Jun 25, 2010 9:50 PM PDT up reply actions
To add on
Iggy is one of the very best defensive wings in the NBA.
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by Reverend_Randy on Jun 25, 2010 9:51 PM PDT up reply actions
I agree completely.
"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."
I havnt been so high on throwing away Monta for another cash dump but I would aggree that Iguodala,Granger,Gay or maybe Prince-->old guy... would be great.
And make our pick of Udoh over Aminu look like some kinda great masterplan. When I was pining for Cousins all year my big idea was …get our low post guy first and “next” get a SF in trade or draft next year . This is a viable strategy in my mind.
by Only In Fairfax on Jun 26, 2010 11:49 AM PDT up reply actions
You know what
I do kinda like Monta for Prince, now that I think about it. I’m not sure why they would want Monta, though.
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by Reverend_Randy on Jun 26, 2010 1:58 PM PDT up reply actions
Dumars has so many overpaid combo guards that aren't really too good.
Gordon, Monta, Will Bynum, Terico White, Stuckey….etc.
Kobe sucks
by GovernorStephCurry on Jun 26, 2010 2:14 PM PDT up reply actions
Harrison Barnes > John Wall. Somebody write it down, I want a record.
[Info on Randolph] Would have been valuable at this time... But our management failed.
by LarryLegendofOracle on Jun 25, 2010 6:58 PM PDT reply actions
Riley today even conceded that the SF they go after may not even be a starter
so……Iguodala, Prince, and Granger all seem like a huge stretch.
I’d imagine it’s probably going to be a player like Ronnie Brewer, a fifth-starter that is long (6’7") and can defend. If Ellis is going to stick around, then a defensive SF is going to be a must.
Is he just giving up now?
Wow, what would we give for someone like Brewer? S&T with CJ?
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Rasual Butler wouldn't be a bad signing then.
"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."
Butler can't really defend though
he can hit the trey and marginally block some shots from the wing, but Brewer is a different type of player than Butler
by eastbayglory on Jun 25, 2010 7:49 PM PDT up reply actions
It wouldn't take much to get Brewer
But you have to wonder about giving up. Rather than giving up, I think Riley has his hands a bit tied to make any drastic moves now that bids are coming in for the team.
You have to think that we could move Ellis and Wright to get Iguodala. I bet Phily wants Randolph back in an Iguodala trade though.
by eastbayglory on Jun 25, 2010 7:47 PM PDT up reply actions
Riley today even conceded that the SF they go after may not even be a starter
If this is the case, no thanks. We need talent, not another role player to shuffle in and out of the starting lineup. Any move that doesn’t net us a game-changer will be a loser move like signing Mikki Moore as our “beef.”
Tank watch next year begins at game #1!!
"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."
careful padwan, I got crucified for suggesting tanking months into the season last year – we still have all summer, camp, and fall yet to get hopeful, excited, nervous, frustrated, distraught and finally pissed off before tanking can be put forth as a strategy here ;-)
we still have all summer, camp, and fall yet to get hopeful, excited, nervous, frustrated, distraught and finally pissed off before tanking can be put forth as a strategy here ;-)
but if we start now we can build up an insurmountable early lead of losses that not even NJ can overtake?
Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Jun 25, 2010 9:21 PM PDT up reply actions
don’t tease skep, you know I’ll bite at the bait – imagine where’d we’d’ve been with just one better spot in this year’s lottery … alas, we’re young, more so without CM, and with the sale and new coach/GM in the offing there is a new dawn ahead – a year from now perhaps …
there is a new dawn ahead – a year from now perhaps …
yeah, the scrubs we traded Magette for get paid for one more year.
Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Jun 25, 2010 9:44 PM PDT up reply actions
I wish I could get paid for doing nothing.
"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."
next time, instead of calling for “tanking”, just call for the young players to play over the vets. most ppl don’t realize that that is what tanking is.
like washington trading away Caron, Hayward & Jamison and playing all their youngsters heavy minutes.
dubs are pretty threadbare already. trading Andris for future picks & whatnot would probably have the biggest tank effect. 2nd would be Turiaf.
by homer simpson on Jun 26, 2010 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions
next time, instead of calling for "tanking", just call for the young players to play over the vets. most ppl don’t realize that that is what tanking is.
that’s passive pussy tanking, real man tanking is actively aggressively going for the losses like barkley going for a cheesburger. You tell those d-leaguers that the first one to win a meaningless game is gonna find his azz on the bus back to bakersfield.
Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Jun 26, 2010 12:10 PM PDT up reply actions
If we can't get someone dramatically better (like iggy, gay, prince or granger0
i think we should stick with our reggie williams/morrow platoon. they have experience in our system and williams has shown the ability to play point forward. They may be a bit undersized but that’s why we’re growing a forest of big men at the Oracle
Randolph is a garbage-point collector and Wright is probably never going to be an NBA starter, not JONeal at all.
LarryLegendofOracle
Include Terrence Jones in the SF crop for next year draft
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rZVHFkh2W0
The guy looks like he could be really good.
there's a ton of SF next year
we shouldn’t lock into a big contract (as if we even have the chance, right?)
There's no way we could acquire Granger without giving up Steph
I don’t like Gay either. He takes too many bad shots. The only player out of that list that is both beneficial and feasible is Dre.
"It's like Will Smith, remember the Fresh Prince? Get the ball don't let nobody else shoot? That's kinda what the offense can be sometimes, and they're just standing around waiting for Monta to make a play"
-MT2
by golden_solitude on Jun 25, 2010 7:45 PM PDT reply actions
CDR is a Buck now
"It's like Will Smith, remember the Fresh Prince? Get the ball don't let nobody else shoot? That's kinda what the offense can be sometimes, and they're just standing around waiting for Monta to make a play"
-MT2
by golden_solitude on Jun 25, 2010 7:52 PM PDT up reply actions
The Bucks have been pretty active
kinda like a lot of the moves they’ve made
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by Reverend_Randy on Jun 25, 2010 9:52 PM PDT up reply actions
I like Terrence Williams. I think his all-around game could really help us from the small forward position, though he really needs to work on his consistency. His production wasn’t great last season, but that was largely because Kiki yanked him out of the rotation after Lawrence Frank got axed and Williams didn’t get consistent playing time until the end of the season.
I think we could get Ronnie Brewer or Travis Outlaw. Both are good finishers and rebounders. Or we could trade Biedrins and Azubuike for Iggy if we did that trade of course we would have to find another Center but we would be the most exciting team in the league.
I think were going to end up starting AR/Wright
or AR/Udoh or Udoh/Wright. I think Beans is long gone
When I get older, I will be stronger.
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We could look for a center in the draft, Kanter or Perry Jones
We could sign Hunter again if needed for the year
When I get older, I will be stronger.
They’ll call me freedom, just like a Waving Flag
Unless Kanter grows a bit
I think his position is as a PF.
I really like him though from the mixes I saw. I will follow him, Barnes, and Jones very closely next year.
"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."
You may be right
6’10 245 is about Horford size right now. I thought he was about 260, guess not. But I do know he plays like a center, maybe another Kevin Love?
When I get older, I will be stronger.
They’ll call me freedom, just like a Waving Flag
Isn't Jones really skinny?
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by Reverend_Randy on Jun 25, 2010 9:53 PM PDT up reply actions
If we Trade Beans we’d have to get a quality 3 back. I wouldnt mind starting Turiaf if we could trade beans for Iggy.
We'd have Turiaf
and 3 power forwards. Turiaf is kind of a power forward to begin with and isn’t a starting caliber player
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by Reverend_Randy on Jun 25, 2010 9:54 PM PDT up reply actions
Interesting
What would we give up for him? I like him but I think if NYK doesn’t get LBJ he will stay
When I get older, I will be stronger.
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Isn't Walker a big 2?
What would the trade be? Cause I’d really like Chandler
When I get older, I will be stronger.
They’ll call me freedom, just like a Waving Flag
Were already thin on bigs as is
I’d rather wait for the draft than lose a young big
When I get older, I will be stronger.
They’ll call me freedom, just like a Waving Flag
Interesting SF…..
T.Prince – Good defender, I guess? Lengthy, decent rebounder/passer. From what I hear, the dude needs to bulk up. If we acquire him, it’s because he’s an expiring, I don’t really see him as our long term SF considering he’s 30 right now. But he’s good for as an expiring!
R. Gay – Athletic scorer, average rebounder. That’s all I got. Gay is a tad overrated, and isn’t worth the money. Don’t go for him.
D. Granger – High volume scorer who is average at rebounding/passing, but he’s good. I like this guy a lot, he’s pretty big, can spread the floor, etc. But he’s too valuable to get; the Nets offered Yi, Harris, Favors, for Granger and the 10th pick. I don’t think we can match that unless we include Steph or Randolph. If the Dubs somehow pull off a trade for Granger without including Steph and Randolph, that’d be great.
A. Iguodala – Poor man’s version of LeBron, which isn’t bad at all. He can create, pass, dribble, rebound, play D, score. It would make sense if we acquired him since Turner was drafted. I think Granger is more untouchable, and Iggy is the guy we should go for.
C. Anthony – No way we’re getting him.
H. Barnes – The 2010 draft was just over with yesterday…
Iguodala makes the most sense to me.
Haha even though I want him the most...
I don’t know why Melo is on the list. Sigh…
"I thought it was going in," Warriors center Chris Hunter said. "It looked like the invisible man tipped it away at the last second."
none of these guys are coming to GS until there's a new owner
and even then it may take a year or two to attract guys
let’s focus on getting a new owner, getting a new coach, and building through the draft. It would really only take one more year of tanking and a high lottery pick to get this team going again, now that we have Curry to build around. I don’t think now is the time to make another mistake of handing out a big contract to guys who may not be so valuable in 2-3 years.
by Evanz on Jun 25, 2010 8:28 PM PDT reply actions 2 recs
Some of these guys are under contract next season
in which case, we wouldn’t have to “attract” them.
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by Reverend_Randy on Jun 25, 2010 10:04 PM PDT up reply actions
Is it time to start re-opening the thought of Randolph at the 3?
If keeping Monta is our best play, and as time passes I become more of that belief, then maybe we keep what we have and give Randolph the SF spot to lose. This ten-man rotation is at least intriguing because of its length and ability to slash and shoot the 3:
Stephen Curry / Anthony Morrow
Monta Ellis / Kelenna Azubuike
Anthony Randolph / Reggie Williams
Brandan Wright / Ekpe Udoh
Andris Biedrins / Ronny Turiaf
Curry and Ellis can be our PGs, with one always on the court. Curry/Ellis/Randolph could be our go-to players, Wright/Biedrins/Udoh/Turiaf create a formidable frontline, Morrow/Buike/Williams are a deadly shooting trio off the bench.
If this team stays healthy, how can they not at least hover around .500 and maybe compete for a playoff spot?
I say we should think about it
Even if he’s not ideal I’d like to see it at some point. Specifically starting Udoh, Wright and AR together just to see it.
When I get older, I will be stronger.
They’ll call me freedom, just like a Waving Flag
It would be time to re-open that thought
if Randolph shows a consistent jumper and under control play.
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by Reverend_Randy on Jun 25, 2010 10:05 PM PDT up reply actions
pretty big if
he’d also need to become a better man to man defender and become a better passer (at least a willing one)
Aminu is supposedly a SF
and he’s a terrible shooter right now, and not a ball-handler. I’ve been advocating Randolph moving to SF all along, and I think we just need to give him a year in that position. The lineup that eastbay put up above is exactly what I would do. Just let them play together for an entire year. Do not change the starting lineups 82 times, Nellie.
Aminu doesn't really have a position
the assumption is that he develops a jumper eventually.
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by Reverend_Randy on Jun 26, 2010 2:02 PM PDT up reply actions
Randolph could be a bigger/nastier version of Gerald Wallace
Wallace now scores mostly on transition and dunks. He’s a slashing SF, not a great shooter, but he gets to the line a lot. Randolph is actually a good FT shooter. Wallace has taken a long time to develop, but it seems to have worked out for him. I think Randolph can do the same at SF.
I likie the lineup..but playoff spot with it is a pipe dream.
Wright’s injuries, randolph general questions, especially at the three, and nill veteran leadership. I like randolph at four but if we want a legitimate playoff chance we need a veteran, tough, all around player at the three. And use the MLE for some big man insurance. Wright and Beans came off big injuries last year.
I think playing Randolph at the SF position is most certainly something the W’s have to try. I worry about Randolph’s shooting and Nellie not sticking with it throughout the season even if everyone is healthy. But against certain teams, why not?
While we’re on the topic, I know the media (especially given the Udoh pick) likes to portray Randolph and Wright as very similar players, but this just isn’t the case. Randolph can and should be tried at the SF, and playing alongside Wright at the PF complements (not duplicates) his skills.
by UncleCliffy on Jun 26, 2010 12:31 PM PDT up reply actions
Definitely
Udoh may have enough to skill to make that trio a bit more desirable. I’m really curious to know what the front office is thinking about Biedrins. Is he a part of our plans?
Doubt it
When we openly say we need a 5 when he is still here it doesn’t bode well. Personally I either want Iggy or to keep Beans at this point but it looks like neither will happen
When I get older, I will be stronger.
They’ll call me freedom, just like a Waving Flag
Watching CSN the night of the draft, I heard the Dubs were very interested in Xavier Henry. Only 6’6’’ but has a solid build. Unfortunately, KAz has the same profile. Hope J. Randle joins the club for the Summer League.
by ChronicMasticator on Jun 25, 2010 9:02 PM PDT reply actions
Terrible joke
Need a moderator for ban please
Just throwing a name out there, Corey Brewer
What would it take to get him? Would we need a 3 way to give Minny what they want?
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Not a fan of 3s that can’t shoot when we have a lack of shooting ability at the 4 and 5.
by samuraaaaiiiiiii on Jun 25, 2010 11:32 PM PDT up reply actions
He improved his shooting a lot last year
still only mediocre
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by Reverend_Randy on Jun 26, 2010 2:02 PM PDT up reply actions
Outlaw, Josh Howard, Frye
All realistic unrestricted free agents i think would do the warriors good
I could
he’s injury prone and just tore his ACL last year. I’ve read that there is a good chance that they won’t take it.
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by Reverend_Randy on Jun 26, 2010 2:03 PM PDT up reply actions
maybe they decline his option
and try to re-sign him.
Maybe they have another tank fest and go for Harrison Barnes. Maybe they try to re-sign Mike Miller.
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by Reverend_Randy on Jun 26, 2010 3:01 PM PDT up reply actions
I doubt they will be able to tank with Gibert and Wall on the same team....
Kobe sucks
"Frankly your desire to be a seller is just proof of how blinded you are by your hatred of Sabean"-giantsrainman..LOL
by GovernorStephCurry on Jun 26, 2010 6:22 PM PDT up reply actions
Gilbert*
Kobe sucks
"Frankly your desire to be a seller is just proof of how blinded you are by your hatred of Sabean"-giantsrainman..LOL
by GovernorStephCurry on Jun 26, 2010 6:22 PM PDT up reply actions
so we need a SF right? and we knew that going into the draft right? so lets draft someone that is an exact replica of our other 2 PFs instead…. great idea! thats why we are winners!!! fuckin warriors are a joke
it's just a game.
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Better getting a big in the draft than a 3. 3’s are easier 2 come by.
it depends on how old the players are and what their upside might be? I’d take a young promising 3 over an older 4 since we are a lot thinner on the 3 spot without magette.
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by Skeptic con Urquell on Jun 27, 2010 12:38 AM PDT up reply actions
Wesley Johnson is a promising 3. Aminu is a project 3 and he wouldnt have a impact as fast as Udoh will. Riley took Udoh because he wanted a guy who could have a instant impact on this team because he wants to keep his job and projects wont do that. We have a good shot at getting a promising 3 in free agency ala Travis Outlaw.
Riley took Udoh because he wanted a guy who could have a instant impact on this team
then why did he trade magette for scrubs? That’s not an instant payoff move, we still gotta pay those bench ballasts thru next year?
Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Jun 27, 2010 3:25 PM PDT up reply actions
Maggette had to go because the front office wanted to make the team more valuable. Now Larry Ellison will have a shot at grabbing a big name free agent next summer.
Maggette had to go because the front office wanted to make the team more valuable.
but magette might have made it more valuable by helping us win more games this coming season than those lameduck scrubs? More wins = more tickets sold= more profit=more valuable?
Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Jun 27, 2010 9:10 PM PDT up reply actions
No matter how many wins we win next season his salary being removed from a non playoff team looks more attractive to a potential owner.
No matter how many wins we win next season his salary being removed from a non playoff team looks more attractive to a potential owner.
Isn’t magette’s salary pocket change to a guy like ellison? Why would he care one way or the other what he’s paying these guys? He can’t take those billions with him and he’s no young pup?
Lights please, lights please, turn off the lights.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Jun 29, 2010 11:15 PM PDT up reply actions
2 problems with your Theory.
1.If Ellison was the type of guy that didnt mind overpaying for things he’d already own the Warriors
2. The NBA has a salary cap and getting into the luxury cap because of Maggette makes no sense. Mags was signed to a bad contract and its good to not have to worry about it next season.
Josh Childress
Perhaps the prospect of playing in the bay could get him back in the NBA and some sort of sign and trade could be worked out with Atlanta. He’d be a perfect fit on the Warriors. Not really sure who we would give up though.
Two Trade Ideas
Biedrins for Eddy Curry and Wilson Chandler.
Solves NY’s need for a center and they are going to be paying Curry this year anyway. Bosh and Amare don’t want to guard centers and Boozer can’t anyway. So even if they do get a big time PF or just resign Lee then they will have a solid producing center who’s young and not a ball hog. Obviously they have go give to get. Chandler would have to play the 2 for them since Gallinari would have to move to the 3 UNLESS they get Lebron and then they have to decide who plays 2 and 3 between the two of them. Either way, Chandler will probably have to come off the bench if they sign a wing because Gallinari WILL start and they will sign someone to play 2/3.
The Warriors dump a huge salary once Curry comes off the books after this next season and they also get a guy who has all around game to be their possible starting SF. Doesn’t really solve the Warriors problem with having too many wing players, but it does get rid of another big contract which they have made clear is a goal and also gives them a player who can be their starting SF.
Trade Two
Ellis to Chicago for Luol Deng and a future 1st round draft pick Top 5 protected.
I think this is a good trade for both teams. Chicago will need someone to be their starting SG and they don’t have anyone to step into that spot on their roster who is worthy of starting. Shoot they only have 7 players signed for next season once Hinrich is traded in a few weeks. Given the fact that Rose is strong enough and big enough to guard better SG’s, Monta would be allowed to guard PGs who he is better sized for while still playing offensively as a SG. Imagine them having Rose, Ellis, Lebron and Noah as a core to build around. Throw in a possible PF addition in FA (Amare? Boozer? David Lee?) and you have a STACKED team.
For the Warriors? Well we get the SF we need who has a do it all kind of game we’re looking for (who btw I think is the kind of player who Al Farouq Aminu could end up being like in terms of upside and I know many wanted him) Sure we are taking a gamble on a player making a ton of money who is hurt quite often, but then again over the last 4 seasons he has played 234 games and Monta has played 247 so really he’s not THAT much more injury prone than Ellis (yes I know moped represents about 40 of those games, but it’s an injury none the less. I think having a high pick (or two) makes this trade worthwhile because at least it gives them some options down the road to add some depth.
Just thoughts but I think both are positive trades for us and even though the Chicago one does make them a VERY strong team, I think it helps us out too.
Thoughts?
by CraigInSanJose on Jun 26, 2010 11:19 PM PDT reply actions
Is this puffylove?
Kobe sucks
"Frankly your desire to be a seller is just proof of how blinded you are by your hatred of Sabean"-giantsrainman..LOL
by GovernorStephCurry on Jun 26, 2010 11:37 PM PDT up reply actions
And i don't like the first.
The 2nd is good, but unrealistic because they have been dumping salary and wouldn’t want an undersized 2 guard.
Kobe sucks
"Frankly your desire to be a seller is just proof of how blinded you are by your hatred of Sabean"-giantsrainman..LOL
by GovernorStephCurry on Jun 26, 2010 11:38 PM PDT up reply actions
Is the first one the worst trade idea I've ever heard?
It might just be
Pro-Skub for life
by Reverend_Randy on Jun 27, 2010 12:49 AM PDT up reply actions
don't kid ourselves
we will be right back in the lottery next year. Hopefully the balls bounce our way next time around.
What about Josh Howard?
Washington won’t pick up his option, maybe coming off a terrible year and torn ACL he can be had at a reasonable value. Maybe work a sign and trade where we send Wright and Azubuike?
Stephen Curry
Monta Ellis / Anthony Morrow
Josh Howard / Reggie Williams
Anthony Randolph / Ekpe Udoh
Andris Biedrins / Ronny Turiaf
How about we just sign him?
He won’t get big offers anywhere after the injury so he will be a FA, and I’d never give Buike for him, BW just makes it worse
PG: Curry, Reggie
SG:Ellis, Morrow
SF: Howard, Buike
PF: AR, BW
C : Beans, Udoh, Ronny
When I get older, I will be stronger.
They’ll call me freedom, just like a Waving Flag
I just thought we wouldn't have room to sign him
That all depends on how much he signs for, but my guess is there will be a market for him. I was thinking in the range of 6-7 million per year. 3 years/18 million? We’d probably have to overpay, plus we need to thin our roster, so I think it’s reasonable to consider sending back a piece or two.
How do you think a Curry, Ellis, Howard, Randolph, Biedrins line-up would do?
by eastbayglory on Jun 28, 2010 8:59 PM PDT up reply actions
I think depending on Howard's health
It can be good, 35-42 win range. I think if Udoh got up to 250 and established himself as a defensive stopper I think him at center could even help
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